Shutdown corners - Who are the league's best? (1 Viewer)

[Keg]

Not sure if this was linked, yet. It's from 2005, but a good assessment, nonetheless, of the non-shutdown-corner that is Champ Bailey.

Cool. Welcome back to before the 2005 season, when Bill Cowher and Peyton Manning were both chokers who would never win the big one (with "big game" being defined as any game that Cowher/Manning lost), when Curtis Martin was ageless, Daunte Culpepper was clearly one of the best QBs in the league, Randy Moss was about to turn Oakland into an offensive juggernaut, Shaun Alexander was a soft whiner, and Muhsin Muhammad was an all-pro.Champ Bailey was not a shut-down CB after the 2004 season. He was one of the best CBs in the league, but he gambled, allowed a lot of big plays, and didn't get many interceptions. He's plenty overrated... provided you first pretend that the two most dominant seasons of his entire career (and one of the most dominant two-season stretches in league history) never happened. On the other hand, when Bailey goes from 40th in the league in YPA against to 1st in the league in YPA against while simultaneously maintaining his high stop rate and cranking his game-changing plays through the roof, perhaps our perception of him as a player should change just the tiniest little bit.

your view doesnt match that of cobalt so therefore you are wrong

 

[cobalt_27]

Not sure if this was linked, yet. It's from 2005, but a good assessment, nonetheless, of the non-shutdown-corner that is Champ Bailey.

Cool. Welcome back to before the 2005 season, when Bill Cowher and Peyton Manning were both chokers who would never win the big one (with "big game" being defined as any game that Cowher/Manning lost), when Curtis Martin was ageless, Daunte Culpepper was clearly one of the best QBs in the league, Randy Moss was about to turn Oakland into an offensive juggernaut, Shaun Alexander was a soft whiner, and Muhsin Muhammad was an all-pro.Champ Bailey was not a shut-down CB after the 2004 season. He was one of the best CBs in the league, but he gambled, allowed a lot of big plays, and didn't get many interceptions. He's plenty overrated... provided you first pretend that the two most dominant seasons of his entire career (and one of the most dominant two-season stretches in league history) never happened. On the other hand, when Bailey goes from 40th in the league in YPA against to 1st in the league in YPA against while simultaneously maintaining his high stop rate and cranking his game-changing plays through the roof, perhaps our perception of him as a player should change just the tiniest little bit.

your view doesnt match that of cobalt reality so therefore you are wrong

Fixed.

 

[SSOG]

Dude, chill, I love Champ. I was student at UGA when he and Hines and Robert Edwards all played. I LOVE Champ and think he is the best corner in the game today. But you can't say he scares QBs away the way Deon did. Yes, he's a much better tackler, a better all around defender. Like I said I am a HUGE champ fan, and yes, the good QBs know to shy away from his side of the field. But he is thrown at by most QBs in the league. Therefore he doesn't really fit my description of a shutdown corner. We may just have different definitions.

Deon scared Qbbs to death, not only because he could outrun some WRs in the league running backwards (no kidding, check his 40 time running backwards. It's something ridiculous like 4.5), he was a threat to take it to the house on every interception. Offensive coordinators gameplanned specifically against throwing against him. I love Champ but I don't think he really demands that amount of respect.

I think the general perception around here is that Belichick is the best/smartest coach in the game, right? And Tom Brady's the second-best QB, right? Watch the game-tape from NE/Den and tell me Champ doesn't scare Belichick/Brady, or that they don't gameplan specifically against throwing to him. For that matter, watch the Indy game where Champ and Marvin were matched up 1-on-1. Marvin finished with 5 catches for 38 yards- a whopping 8 yards per reception- because Peyton refused to challenge Bailey, as well. And then there's the Arizona game where Bailey was challenged twice (and got 2 INTs). He commands plenty of respect.

Not sure if this was linked, yet. It's from 2005, but a good assessment, nonetheless, of the non-shutdown-corner that is Champ Bailey.

Cool. Welcome back to before the 2005 season, when Bill Cowher and Peyton Manning were both chokers who would never win the big one (with "big game" being defined as any game that Cowher/Manning lost), when Curtis Martin was ageless, Daunte Culpepper was clearly one of the best QBs in the league, Randy Moss was about to turn Oakland into an offensive juggernaut, Shaun Alexander was a soft whiner, and Muhsin Muhammad was an all-pro.Champ Bailey was not a shut-down CB after the 2004 season. He was one of the best CBs in the league, but he gambled, allowed a lot of big plays, and didn't get many interceptions. He's plenty overrated... provided you first pretend that the two most dominant seasons of his entire career (and one of the most dominant two-season stretches in league history) never happened. On the other hand, when Bailey goes from 40th in the league in YPA against to 1st in the league in YPA against while simultaneously maintaining his high stop rate and cranking his game-changing plays through the roof, perhaps our perception of him as a player should change just the tiniest little bit.

your view doesnt match that of cobalt reality two years ago so therefore you are wrong

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