Sidney Rice to the Seahawks (1 Viewer)

[cacksman]

Great article on what the Seahawks are building:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/jerrybrewer/2015749018_brewer28.html

"Neither Jackson nor Charlie Whitehurst appears good enough to lead a team deep into the playoffs, but rebuilding is a process. Not everything can be accomplished in one offseason."Seems like an admission that this season is basically lost already.

when carroll and not some beat writer says it, let me know.

Just jealous & bitter haterz.

I'm sorry, but I have to. Between your shutter shaded XBOX avatar and calling people "haterz", I've concluded that you're most likely in middle school. And there's over a 50% chance that he's not "jealous" because that's how many teams finished with a better record than the Seahawks last year. In a QB driven league, I would assume there aren't actually too many people jealous of the team with the worst QB situation in the league.

Why even take the time to respond to him?

 

[The Dynasty]

Great article on what the Seahawks are building:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/jerrybrewer/2015749018_brewer28.html

"Neither Jackson nor Charlie Whitehurst appears good enough to lead a team deep into the playoffs, but rebuilding is a process. Not everything can be accomplished in one offseason."Seems like an admission that this season is basically lost already.

when carroll and not some beat writer says it, let me know.

Just jealous & bitter haterz.

I'm sorry, but I have to. Between your shutter shaded XBOX avatar and calling people "haterz", I've concluded that you're most likely in middle school. And there's over a 50% chance that he's not "jealous" because that's how many teams finished with a better record than the Seahawks last year. In a QB driven league, I would assume there aren't actually too many people jealous of the team with the worst QB situation in the league.

Why even take the time to respond to him?

I don't know. I really shouldn't have, but I got tired of the Seahawks fans discrediting anything negative said about the team and preventing any actual discussion and instead having one big circlejerk. Can I say circlejerk?

 

[cacksman]

Great article on what the Seahawks are building:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/jerrybrewer/2015749018_brewer28.html

"Neither Jackson nor Charlie Whitehurst appears good enough to lead a team deep into the playoffs, but rebuilding is a process. Not everything can be accomplished in one offseason."Seems like an admission that this season is basically lost already.

when carroll and not some beat writer says it, let me know.

Just jealous & bitter haterz.

I'm sorry, but I have to. Between your shutter shaded XBOX avatar and calling people "haterz", I've concluded that you're most likely in middle school. And there's over a 50% chance that he's not "jealous" because that's how many teams finished with a better record than the Seahawks last year. In a QB driven league, I would assume there aren't actually too many people jealous of the team with the worst QB situation in the league.

Why even take the time to respond to him?

I don't know. I really shouldn't have, but I got tired of the Seahawks fans discrediting anything negative said about the team and preventing any actual discussion and instead having one big circlejerk. Can I say circlejerk?

Don't let one bad apple taint your view of hawk fans on this board

 

[The Dynasty]

Great article on what the Seahawks are building:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/jerrybrewer/2015749018_brewer28.html

"Neither Jackson nor Charlie Whitehurst appears good enough to lead a team deep into the playoffs, but rebuilding is a process. Not everything can be accomplished in one offseason."Seems like an admission that this season is basically lost already.

when carroll and not some beat writer says it, let me know.

Just jealous & bitter haterz.

I'm sorry, but I have to. Between your shutter shaded XBOX avatar and calling people "haterz", I've concluded that you're most likely in middle school. And there's over a 50% chance that he's not "jealous" because that's how many teams finished with a better record than the Seahawks last year. In a QB driven league, I would assume there aren't actually too many people jealous of the team with the worst QB situation in the league.

Why even take the time to respond to him?

I don't know. I really shouldn't have, but I got tired of the Seahawks fans discrediting anything negative said about the team and preventing any actual discussion and instead having one big circlejerk. Can I say circlejerk?

Don't let one bad apple taint your view of hawk fans on this board

Alright. I'm happy for you guys. Your team got a lot better the past couple days and that's something to be excited about.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Anyone know what number Rice will take?

 

[Incogneto]

Great article on what the Seahawks are building:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/jerrybrewer/2015749018_brewer28.html

"Neither Jackson nor Charlie Whitehurst appears good enough to lead a team deep into the playoffs, but rebuilding is a process. Not everything can be accomplished in one offseason."Seems like an admission that this season is basically lost already.

when carroll and not some beat writer says it, let me know.

Just jealous & bitter haterz.

I'm sorry, but I have to. Between your shutter shaded XBOX avatar and calling people "haterz", I've concluded that you're most likely in middle school. And there's over a 50% chance that he's not "jealous" because that's how many teams finished with a better record than the Seahawks last year. In a QB driven league, I would assume there aren't actually too many people jealous of the team with the worst QB situation in the league.

Please ignore 'ImTheScientist'. He does not speak for all Seahawk fans.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

That kind of money? Rice got less than Holmes did earlier today and is the better, younger player.

This is where fantasy football and reality collide. What has Rice done in his young career thus far to warrant more loot than a superbowl MVP who basically won every dam game down the stretch last year for his team and is only 2 years older than Rice? NFL GMs don't play fantasy my friend.

Outside of the regular season of 83 receptions for 1300 8 for Sidney Rice. He had 10 receptions for 184 yards and 4 TDs in the 2 playoff games vs Dallas and NO. Holmes has never had a season of 1300. Congrats he had an amazing catch to go along with 9 for 131 and 1 TD in the super bowl to get MVP. Deion Branch has one as well. Holmes is overrated. His YPC has been going down and has had one great year in the NFL. That isn't FF related, that's football related. He is a distraction off the field, that's troublesome for a locker room as well.

Your right, the 1248 yards he had in 2009 is no where near 1300. I guess Tanenbaum is a fool and you should be an NFL GM. Maybe you should contact Rice and tell him to fire his agent because his contract is less than Holmes.

Is this what you do when you lose a debate?1248 isn't 1300. 1248 is also Holmes' highest total in his 5 year playing career.

In fact, Holmes hasn't topped 1,000 yards in any other season.

Rice has caught 1 less(4) touchdown passes in postseason play than Holmes(5). However Holmes has played in 3X as many games(6) than Rice (2).

I previously have stated nothing about a "contract" either, but apparently you would like to pick a fight.

So WHAT has Holmes done to deserve such a contract(you stated the same regarding Rice previously)? Also, what has Holmes done that Rice hasn't?

Did you actually read the original post? He was comparing their contracts and couldn't believe that Rice didn't get more loot then Holmes because he thought Rice was better & younger. If you read my reply I told you why Holmes got more loot, it based on last years dominance down the stretch & his past pedigree (I.E.SUPERBOWL MVP). No where did I say Rice didn't deserve his contract. Stop being so defensive and try reading before getting so upset.

1) Of course I've read the posts.2) You were saying Holmes was a better overall/NFL player. That is what i've been debating.

3) You referenced carrying a team down the stretch, but have provided no stats. So as of now it's an opinion. I'm a Bears fan and know he fumbled in a late season game that Chicago won, for all I know is he cost the team down the stretch.

4) Superbowl MVP means what? Deion Branch, Desmond Howard, Larry Brown all have them.

5) I will get defensive when you say "I guess Tanenbaum is a fool and you should be an NFL GM. Maybe you should contact Rice and tell him to fire his agent because his contract is less than Holmes." That provides nothing to the argument but disrespect to me.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I am that some Seahawks are happy about getting Tarvaris Jackson, and at the expense of Hasselbeck, who was inconsistent last year, but still tore it up against the number 4 defense in the first round of the playoffs in leading them to a big upset. If Jackson EVER has a playoff performance even close to that good, I will be shocked.

If Hasselbeck ever has another game like that again, playoffs or not I would be shocked. I think he averaged about 10 games played per season for the last 3 years. People who actually saw more than that playoff game know why he isn't back.ETA: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/HassMa00-2.php

Looks like its 11 games per season.....he has always lacked arm strength....as he has aged its kind of got worse and he is fragile. Good luck Titans. Having watched every game of his NFL career I can say Im SO HAPPY he is finally gone.

Wow, such vile talk against the best QB your franchise has ever had. I don't get it. No, Hasselbeck isn't the player he used to be, but he still got your team to your only Super Bowl, and led them to a great playoff win last year. I would think he'd get a little more respect from all Seahawks fans on the way out of town, but there are always a few like you, aren't there?

Also, what has Holmes done that Rice hasn't?

Er, been the MVP of the Super Bowl. But as players like Deion Branch, Larry Brown, Dexter Jackson, etc. have shown, all that does is get you a big contract. It doesn't guarantee future success.

Also, Holmes has shown that he can be productive without having to have a top tier QB. Holmes had 52-746-6 last year in 12 games, which comes out to 69-995-8 over the course of a whole season. And that was in a new offense on a new team. Same thing that Rice will be dealing with this year, and Rice hasn't shown that he can be productive without having a great QB (he did squat in Minnesota before Favre got there and did squat down the stretch last year when Favre didn't play). I am not saying Rice is not good, or that he won't be good. On the contrary, I think he is a very good WR, but I can understand why some would think Holmes is more worthy of a better contract. Holmes will be just fine with an average QB like Sanchez. Seattle will need to upgrade their QB position to get the most (or even close to the most) out of Rice, IMO.

 

[cacksman]

Ghostrider, it seems like rice would be the player that should be better than an average wr with asub par qb because of his height, ball skills, and jumping ability. His catch radius is much bigger than holmes so he could adjust to a poorly thrown ball better.

 

[Johnny Rock]

When SEA signed Burleson to a ridiculous contract in retaliation for us stealing Hutchinson, I thought it was a joke and that they looked foolish.

Are you under the impression that Burleson was actually paid a ridiculous amount of money?

It was a ridiculous contract. Like the Vikings cared if they lost Burleson. Nice player, but no biggie. Tongue in cheek payback for the Hutch "Poison Pill," yes, but still ridiculous. From Wiki:

In professional sports, a poison pill is a component of a contract, which one team offers a player, that makes it difficult or impossible for another team (which has the right of first refusal) to match. While it can often refer to a salary structure or clause that would affect all teams equally, it has taken on a new specific meaning of a clause that has unbalanced impact. For example, in March 2006, the Minnesota Vikings offered Steve Hutchinson, an offensive guard with the Seattle Seahawks, a seven-year, $49 million contract of which $16 million was guaranteed. This contract offer had two poison pills in it. One was the salary structure, which would require the team to pay $13 million in the first year of the contract. That salary structure would apply to both teams equally, as the Seahawks would also have to pay $13 million in the first contract year, were they to match the offer. The second was a clause that required Hutchinson to be the highest paid player on the offensive line, or else the entire contract would be guaranteed. Since the Seahawks had another offensive lineman, Walter Jones, with a higher salary and the Vikings did not, this clause would have required the Seahawks to guarantee $49 million, and it effectively eliminated the Seahawks' opportunity to match the contract offer.In the wake of this contract offer, similar clauses have appeared in other contract offers, including a contract offered to Vikings wide receiver Nate Burleson by the Seahawks, which, with irony fully intended, was structured as a seven year, $49 million deal. The contract given to Burleson had two vengeful poison pill clauses in response to the contract offered to Hutchinson. Firstly, it stipulated that if Burleson were to play five or more games in the state of Minnesota during any single season over the life of the contract, the entire $49 million would become guaranteed. Secondly, if Burleson were to earn more per year on average than all of his team's running backs combined, the $49 million would be guaranteed. Since the Vikings play half of their games at home in Minnesota, and their running backs combined earned less per year than the $7 million in Burleson's contract, Minnesota was unable to match it.

 

[Hooper31]

When SEA signed Burleson to a ridiculous contract in retaliation for us stealing Hutchinson, I thought it was a joke and that they looked foolish.

Are you under the impression that Burleson was actually paid a ridiculous amount of money?

It was a ridiculous contract. Like the Vikings cared if they lost Burleson. Nice player, but no biggie. Tongue in cheek payback for the Hutch "Poison Pill," yes, but still ridiculous. From Wiki:

In professional sports, a poison pill is a component of a contract, which one team offers a player, that makes it difficult or impossible for another team (which has the right of first refusal) to match. While it can often refer to a salary structure or clause that would affect all teams equally, it has taken on a new specific meaning of a clause that has unbalanced impact. For example, in March 2006, the Minnesota Vikings offered Steve Hutchinson, an offensive guard with the Seattle Seahawks, a seven-year, $49 million contract of which $16 million was guaranteed. This contract offer had two poison pills in it. One was the salary structure, which would require the team to pay $13 million in the first year of the contract. That salary structure would apply to both teams equally, as the Seahawks would also have to pay $13 million in the first contract year, were they to match the offer. The second was a clause that required Hutchinson to be the highest paid player on the offensive line, or else the entire contract would be guaranteed. Since the Seahawks had another offensive lineman, Walter Jones, with a higher salary and the Vikings did not, this clause would have required the Seahawks to guarantee $49 million, and it effectively eliminated the Seahawks' opportunity to match the contract offer.In the wake of this contract offer, similar clauses have appeared in other contract offers, including a contract offered to Vikings wide receiver Nate Burleson by the Seahawks, which, with irony fully intended, was structured as a seven year, $49 million deal. The contract given to Burleson had two vengeful poison pill clauses in response to the contract offered to Hutchinson. Firstly, it stipulated that if Burleson were to play five or more games in the state of Minnesota during any single season over the life of the contract, the entire $49 million would become guaranteed. Secondly, if Burleson were to earn more per year on average than all of his team's running backs combined, the $49 million would be guaranteed. Since the Vikings play half of their games at home in Minnesota, and their running backs combined earned less per year than the $7 million in Burleson's contract, Minnesota was unable to match it.

I say "What color does that look like to you?", and you reply with "7". I don't think I could have been more clear. Perhaps you misunderstood the question?EDIT: To be clear, I'm not interested in starting an iFight. Far from it. I asked the question above because there are people running around thinking that Burleson got paid a lot by Seattle. I understand the poison pill quite well. Apparently you do too. I think if you go back and re-read my question in the nicest possible tone you'll understand where I'm coming from. That said, I know full well that most things in written form are read with the worst possible tone.