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Silk Road - What the hell is this (1 Viewer)

The guy set up an eBay for druggies and was taking a rake for each transaction? 

Is this right? Does he think he's some bank in the Caymans or something?

 
The General said:
The guy set up an eBay for druggies and was taking a rake for each transaction? 

Is this right? Does he think he's some bank in the Caymans or something?
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well it seems to have caught up with him. if I remember correctly, he tried to have someone killed which is what lead to his demise.

 
They caught him at a San Fran public library -> he just used publicly available remote IP's. For a billion dollar enterprise.

The bust of Silk Road has had global implications as many dark web hackers have cited that as the reason for their burning hatred of US Government in general and Obama and Hillary specifically.

Yeah it was and is a big deal. It may have started a global hacking war.

 
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It was an online black market for drugs basically.  You could only get there with a Tor browser I believe.  Pretty sure the whole thing is overrun with the feds anymore.  

 
Yeah, you can check reason.com and find out all about Silk Road. It was a clearinghouse for all things illegal. A black market. 

BTW, I praise it.  C'mon federales. #### with me.  

 
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Did they have star ratings like Amazon? I'm wondering how people would send currency anonymously to an unknown destination and have faith that their sack of illegal drugs would be waiting for them at the agreed location.

 
rockaction said:
Guns? 

I'm just interested in what you think, as my mental capacities may be limited right now.  
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They sold fake licenses and IDs and for a while had a spin-off that sold weapons. And while the terms of service didn't allow certain other illegal items, they definitely happened. Usually it was off-site but contact was created through Silk Road.

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
well it seems to have caught up with him. if I remember correctly, he tried to have someone killed which is what lead to his demise.
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That's not proven. And I'm pretty sure the evidence is weak. 

Yet the judge used that (and "evidence" that the drugs killed 6 people) to enhance his sentence. Crazy.

 
GroveDiesel said:
They sold fake licenses and IDs and for a while had a spin-off that sold weapons. And while the terms of service didn't allow certain other illegal items, they definitely happened. Usually it was off-site but contact was created through Silk Road.
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Ah, okay. Guns was the first thing my mind went to, though IDs are very libertarian/no borders, too.  

 
There were other "normal" items like jewelry, art, books, etc sold too. Most likely a lot of it was stolen goods. 

A vast majority of sales were drugs, but there were definitely other items as well.

 
whoknew said:
That's not proven. And I'm pretty sure the evidence is weak. 

Yet the judge used that (and "evidence" that the drugs killed 6 people) to enhance his sentence. Crazy.
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Interesting. I'm interested in black markets. Do you have a link?  I'm not challenging, just curious. If no link forthwith, no link.  

 
whoknew said:
This is long but has a good analysis. Toward the end there is a section on "The Insanely Harsh Punishment".
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The guy created a marketplace for illegal activity and took a rake on all of it. 

While the life with no parole is harsh IMO, it isn't insane - what do you think, he deserved probation? Guy made $30MM in a short time, he was aware what he was doing.

 
Walking Boot said:
That requires trusting a third party service to do basically the same function that you can do yourself. He did use a VPN to hide his IP, they didn't protect him though. He also used the same wifi spot more than once, and, stupidly, logged into his personal "real name" accounts (gmail) at the same times that he re-used the same wifi to run Silk Road. The pattern it created was obvious.

The right way to do it would be to have a "burner" laptop, and never use it for anything other than the Silk Road. Only use it on public or cracked-password wifis, never the same one twice in a year. Never log into a personal account (gmail/facebook) from that laptop, and never have that laptop sniff your home network... fully power it down before going home. Also, power off your personal cell phone, or leave it at home, so that it doesn't register you in the same place as the Silk Road laptop at the same time.

There are more than 500 Starbucks in the Bay area. He could have just hopped from one to another every day and never gotten found.

Staying home and doing the whole business from a single fixed location seems just as easy to track, that's basically what they did anyway, but instead of his house it was a library.
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Thanks for the added facts, that makes sense.

And then they have those pesky cameras at public libraries now don't they...

 
fantasycurse42 said:
The guy created a marketplace for illegal activity and took a rake on all of it. 

While the life with no parole is harsh IMO, it isn't insane - what do you think, he deserved probation? Guy made $30MM in a short time, he was aware what he was doing.
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Definitely - the only choices are life without parole or probation.

 
McGarnicle said:
Did they have star ratings like Amazon? I'm wondering how people would send currency anonymously to an unknown destination and have faith that their sack of illegal drugs would be waiting for them at the agreed location.
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The drugs just got transferred to your account. They were illegal e-drugs so they could get transferred on the computer just like bitcoin. 

 
McGarnicle said:
Did they have star ratings like Amazon? I'm wondering how people would send currency anonymously to an unknown destination and have faith that their sack of illegal drugs would be waiting for them at the agreed location.
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Yeah, sellers are rated and discussed on message boards.  As for delivery, the USPS gets the job done every time. :thumbup:

 
Walking Boot said:
That requires trusting a third party service to do basically the same function that you can do yourself. He did use a VPN to hide his IP, they didn't protect him though. He also used the same wifi spot more than once, and, stupidly, logged into his personal "real name" accounts (gmail) at the same times that he re-used the same wifi to run Silk Road. The pattern it created was obvious.

The right way to do it would be to have a "burner" laptop, and never use it for anything other than the Silk Road. Only use it on public or cracked-password wifis, never the same one twice in a year. Never log into a personal account (gmail/facebook) from that laptop, and never have that laptop sniff your home network... fully power it down before going home. Also, power off your personal cell phone, or leave it at home, so that it doesn't register you in the same place as the Silk Road laptop at the same time.

There are more than 500 Starbucks in the Bay area. He could have just hopped from one to another every day and never gotten found.

Staying home and doing the whole business from a single fixed location seems just as easy to track, that's basically what they did anyway, but instead of his house it was a library.
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sounds like we can expect Silk Road II: Electric Boogaloo from you any day now.

 
Ross Ulbricht‏ @RealRossU 

The judge who sentenced me to grow old and die in prison announced her retirement. I don’t hate you, Judge Forrest. I gave that up years ago. I hope you find happiness and peace in the next phase of your life.

 
Don't mean to be political - but think this is super interesting. So hope this conversation is ok.

Trump has pardoned Ross Ulbricht. I have thought his life without parole sentence was overkill so glad to see it. But realize some may disagree.
 
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whoknew said:
Don't mean to be political - but think this is super interesting. So hope this conversation is ok.

Trump has pardoned Ross Ulbricht. I have thought his life without parole sentence was overkill so glad to see it. But realize some may disagree.
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Should have rotted. Between the drugs and many murder-for-hire plots he doesn't deserve this - at all.
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He is a vile POS. Not surprised he was pardoned though.
 
whoknew said:
Don't mean to be political - but think this is super interesting. So hope this conversation is ok.

Trump has pardoned Ross Ulbricht. I have thought his life without parole sentence was overkill so glad to see it. But realize some may disagree.
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I think one life sentence actually served would have been enough, no need for the 2nd one he got.
 
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