Really? You're taking the opinions of a bunch of drunken idiots? Of course I say that in jest because I love drinking as much as the next guy but the guys who are out drinking at bars in social settings aren't necessarily the brightest guys nor are they really in touch with reality. They're unabashed Niners homers who are behind any move that management makes hoping that this year's team is THE team. For the most part, the realistic, intelligent 49ers fans that I've talked to who understand the Xs and Os and the necessary requirements to win games HAVE jumped ship. I seriously do know. They're not jumping ship after 1 lousy game. They're jumping ship after 8 2009 so-so wins, questionable tactical calls, bad QB play, and a general lack of cohesiveness.Singletary is getting far too much love after rejuvenating Vernon Davis' career. Besides that tell me what he has done to improve this team. Because I can't really think of anything.
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Tom Vu
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Thanks for the sig!I would ROTLF if the next time KNBR interviews Singletary they ask him if, in his opinion, the NFL is doing enough to ensure player safety in regards to concussions. Then they should ask him if he ever had a concussion playing in the NFL, and if so, if he believes he suffers or might one day suffer from the effects of brain damage.
thehornet
Footballguy
the people out watching the games at bars are THE FANS and part of this conversation had to do with his popularity with the fan base. And yeah, a lot of the guys i talk to when i am out know their stuff. what just because they are at a bar having a beer means they dont know x's and o's? please dude. i suppose the blowhards on the radio "know" their sutff way more than us common folk.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Just as lame as assuming that somebody who lives in San Leandro as opposed to in San Francisco knows less about 49er football. My brother's father in law lives in Oakland, has been a 49er season ticket holder for 20 years, takes me to a game every year and he and his season-ticket holder buddies are ALL concerned.By the way, what bars are you talking about? I lived in SF for many years and talked football any time I could. I'll put any sportsfan in a little Wisconsin bar over just about any SF barhopper. The fanbase just isn't very sophisticated, football-wise.thehornet said:
And those clowns on KNBR in the morning don't know jack about football. The East Coast guys on the radio in the afternoon in Sacramento could run circles around them.
thehornet
Footballguy
i dont care about any of this crap. i came in here to specifically state that big mike has suporters and he does. we clearly got off on a tangent with the other meaningless talk.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Thought so.
Can't wait for the shots of Jimmy Raye slumped over mumbling in some play. Cut him loose Singletary. Save yourself!!!!
thehornet
Footballguy
thought so what? you're the one comparing different types of fans. Everyone in here was flaming singletary and I called them out that they dont know sh%& about whats going on in SF because they can pop on espn or listen to some stupid interview. i live here and know for a fact that he is still liked by a majority of the fan base.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
I live here too. Have for 22 years, on and off. I see it differently and talk to people who actually pay for season tickets. Seems like a good source to me.What bars are you referring to?
Tom Vu
Footballguy
The local 9er fanbase is nowhere near as committed as the fanbase in the Midwest where football is a religion. In the SF bay area, if the 9ers or da Raiders are teh suk then there's Stanford, SJ State or Cal to follow. IMO, The 9er fanbase has de-volved over the years, I remember the 9ers fans in the Bill Walsh heyday to be wine and cheese tailgating fops and now I see in the stands a lot of low class C.H.U.D.s that make da Raiders fans look respectable. The local 9er fanbase is so desperate for a reason to believe in Singletary they overlook his ramblings, odd behavior and obvious lack of HC skillz. If Singletary doesn't deliever a playoff spot this year I guarantee the fanboys will call for his head.
Of course, the real problem with the 9ers is the ownership. The organization hasn't recovered since the NFL removed the thug Carmen Policy. I bet most fans wish Mooch was still on the sidelines.
And what sports bars you talkin' 'bout? There are better Eagles and Bears sports bars in the Bay Area than any 9ers bar I've been to.
thehornet
Footballguy
I agree with most of what you say. I dont think sf fans are nearly the fans other places are. I am only saying the fans still like singletary here. If things get worse, yeah hes gonna lose more of his base. i go to mostly new england bars because i am a patriots fan first, but there are some knowledeable dudes who i talk with about the niners too. one is down near the piers and the other is over in russian hill on post off of van ness.
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Short Corner
Footballguy
You pretty much lost all of your credibility with this gem.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Listen to local radio today and of course the only thing on the radio, aside from occasional SF Giants talk, is tonight's game, what a debacle last week's game was, the mess Singletary made of the week's press conferences and whose head is going to roll if the 9ers go 0-4 or 1-3.
I hope they win tonight. If they don't, this season could turn ugly in SF quickly.
I hope they win tonight. If they don't, this season could turn ugly in SF quickly.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Come on dude. You post your team in your sig. Please.Short Corner said:
FavreCo
Footballguy
Who wouldn't be angry when you realize you hired this:
Jimmy Raye has been an offensive coordinator for 13 years not including 2010.
His overall teams records is 78-130 that equates to a 6-10 average.
Outside of 83 and 84 12-4; 10-6 respectively (rams and Eric Dickerson) he has only one winning year 1999 Chiefs at 9-7. Most points in a season 443 1983 Rams his lifetime average is 317 points per season or 19.8 points per game. His lowest output was 181 (11 points per game) points 1990 Patriots. He has had 6 3000 yard passers and 6 1000 yard rusher (Dickerson twice) along with 4 1000 yard receivers he has only had 5 of his top rushers average over 4.0 yards per carry. Overall I really think Singletary just didn't know enough about offense to really pick a decent coach. At best Jimmy Raye has been mediocre. Most years except for 83 his offenses were middle of the pack or worse in points scored and total offense.
http://twitter.com/jimmyraye
Jimmy Raye has been an offensive coordinator for 13 years not including 2010.
His overall teams records is 78-130 that equates to a 6-10 average.
Outside of 83 and 84 12-4; 10-6 respectively (rams and Eric Dickerson) he has only one winning year 1999 Chiefs at 9-7. Most points in a season 443 1983 Rams his lifetime average is 317 points per season or 19.8 points per game. His lowest output was 181 (11 points per game) points 1990 Patriots. He has had 6 3000 yard passers and 6 1000 yard rusher (Dickerson twice) along with 4 1000 yard receivers he has only had 5 of his top rushers average over 4.0 yards per carry. Overall I really think Singletary just didn't know enough about offense to really pick a decent coach. At best Jimmy Raye has been mediocre. Most years except for 83 his offenses were middle of the pack or worse in points scored and total offense.
http://twitter.com/jimmyraye
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Why in the hell did the 9ers hire this guy? I had no idea it was that bad.Who wouldn't be angry when you realize you hired this:
Jimmy Raye has been an offensive coordinator for 13 years not including 2010.
His overall teams records is 78-130 that equates to a 6-10 average.
Outside of 83 and 84 12-4; 10-6 respectively (rams and Eric Dickerson) he has only one winning year 1999 Chiefs at 9-7. Most points in a season 443 1983 Rams his lifetime average is 317 points per season or 19.8 points per game. His lowest output was 181 (11 points per game) points 1990 Patriots. He has had 6 3000 yard passers and 6 1000 yard rusher (Dickerson twice) along with 4 1000 yard receivers he has only had 5 of his top rushers average over 4.0 yards per carry. Overall I really think Singletary just didn't know enough about offense to really pick a decent coach. At best Jimmy Raye has been mediocre. Most years except for 83 his offenses were middle of the pack or worse in points scored and total offense.
http://twitter.com/jimmyraye
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Now that we’ve all heard the story about Jimmy Raye’s playcalling being as clear as a lecture from Charlie Brown’s teacher, there’s nothing else to do but take your hand, turn your palm toward yourself, and slam that palm into your face at a high enough velocity to make a point without needing to visit the emergency room. (OK maybe the Charlie Brown part isn’t exactly true. How about this metaphor: Raye’s playcalling is as slow as a senior citizen trying to tell a story on Marty Lurie’s postgame show after 8 pm.)
Here are the 10 reasons I can think of to hire an offensive coordinator, from best to worst:
1. Innovative offensive mind
2. Good track record
3. Ability to tailor gameplans in a way that maximizes the talents of available personnel
4. Can make adjustments quickly
5. Good work ethic/willing to spend the time to prepare for each game
6. Understands what NFL rule changes mean and how to utilize them
7. Communicates well with coaching staff, players
8. Doesn’t demand a high salary
9. Makes the head coach look awesome by comparison
10. Looks good in NFL-licensed floppy hats
From the look of things, Raye has Nos. 8 and 9 down pat. Maybe 10 too, if you’re feeling generous. That’s about it, though. He’s never had success as a playcaller anywhere else, you can’t name one thing about a Jimmy Raye offense that sets it apart from any other offense you’ve ever seen. If you believe the Yahoo report (and after Sunday’s performance, there’s no reason not to), he doesn’t communicate well or make adjustments quickly.
After the Bill Walsh tree brought us names like Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, Dennis Green and many others, this is simply depressing. There’s no other word for it. Norv Turner, a former Cowboy, was hard enough to take. And he was the best offensive coordinator this team has had in the last decade, a coach who may have led Alex Smith to a slightly respectable career if he didn’t get that offer from the Chargers.
It’s fine that the 49ers have a head coach who made his name on defense. It could be better, actually, since it’s impossible for any “offensive mind” to live up to what was done in the past. But Singletary, through is public comments, consistently paints himself as a guy who has a lot of pull when it comes to playcalling. And it seems like Raye was chosen because he wouldn’t clash with him (like Mike Martz did). So we have a head coach who knows next to nothing about crafting a modern offense, who is so threatened by offensive brilliance that he hired a guy who’d blend in with the scenery (unless he committed some obvious screw-ups, like Raye did in Seattle).
Really, there’s no offensive coordinators in college who could do a better job? Somebody young enough to know what a text message is? Or a guy who uses a computer instead of a bunch of bar napkins to keep plays organized, so they aren’t fumbling around on 4th-and-1? Think I’m exaggerating? Check this passage out from Jason Cole’s article:
“It seems like Jimmy calls plays from memory a lot of the time and not exactly the way it’s written down,” said one of the aforementioned sources, adding that the plays often get garbled. “He knows the plays and he knows the right thing to call, but he’s fumbling through his papers and it’s like, ‘Hey, we need to get a play called.’ ”
Raye sounds like a guy who puts his turn signal on three blocks before making a turn. Or a guy who really likes his liver and onions (especially at 4:30 pm during the early bird). If he showed some kind of ingenuity, creativity or anything unique at all, the image of Raye shuffling papers around would make one think he’s got a little mad scientist in him. But in this case, he’s just a bumbling fool. Face, meet palm.
Now that we’ve all heard the story about Jimmy Raye’s playcalling being as clear as a lecture from Charlie Brown’s teacher, there’s nothing else to do but take your hand, turn your palm toward yourself, and slam that palm into your face at a high enough velocity to make a point without needing to visit the emergency room. (OK maybe the Charlie Brown part isn’t exactly true. How about this metaphor: Raye’s playcalling is as slow as a senior citizen trying to tell a story on Marty Lurie’s postgame show after 8 pm.)
Here are the 10 reasons I can think of to hire an offensive coordinator, from best to worst:
1. Innovative offensive mind
2. Good track record
3. Ability to tailor gameplans in a way that maximizes the talents of available personnel
4. Can make adjustments quickly
5. Good work ethic/willing to spend the time to prepare for each game
6. Understands what NFL rule changes mean and how to utilize them
7. Communicates well with coaching staff, players
8. Doesn’t demand a high salary
9. Makes the head coach look awesome by comparison
10. Looks good in NFL-licensed floppy hats
From the look of things, Raye has Nos. 8 and 9 down pat. Maybe 10 too, if you’re feeling generous. That’s about it, though. He’s never had success as a playcaller anywhere else, you can’t name one thing about a Jimmy Raye offense that sets it apart from any other offense you’ve ever seen. If you believe the Yahoo report (and after Sunday’s performance, there’s no reason not to), he doesn’t communicate well or make adjustments quickly.
After the Bill Walsh tree brought us names like Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, Dennis Green and many others, this is simply depressing. There’s no other word for it. Norv Turner, a former Cowboy, was hard enough to take. And he was the best offensive coordinator this team has had in the last decade, a coach who may have led Alex Smith to a slightly respectable career if he didn’t get that offer from the Chargers.
It’s fine that the 49ers have a head coach who made his name on defense. It could be better, actually, since it’s impossible for any “offensive mind” to live up to what was done in the past. But Singletary, through is public comments, consistently paints himself as a guy who has a lot of pull when it comes to playcalling. And it seems like Raye was chosen because he wouldn’t clash with him (like Mike Martz did). So we have a head coach who knows next to nothing about crafting a modern offense, who is so threatened by offensive brilliance that he hired a guy who’d blend in with the scenery (unless he committed some obvious screw-ups, like Raye did in Seattle).
Really, there’s no offensive coordinators in college who could do a better job? Somebody young enough to know what a text message is? Or a guy who uses a computer instead of a bunch of bar napkins to keep plays organized, so they aren’t fumbling around on 4th-and-1? Think I’m exaggerating? Check this passage out from Jason Cole’s article:
“It seems like Jimmy calls plays from memory a lot of the time and not exactly the way it’s written down,” said one of the aforementioned sources, adding that the plays often get garbled. “He knows the plays and he knows the right thing to call, but he’s fumbling through his papers and it’s like, ‘Hey, we need to get a play called.’ ”
Raye sounds like a guy who puts his turn signal on three blocks before making a turn. Or a guy who really likes his liver and onions (especially at 4:30 pm during the early bird). If he showed some kind of ingenuity, creativity or anything unique at all, the image of Raye shuffling papers around would make one think he’s got a little mad scientist in him. But in this case, he’s just a bumbling fool. Face, meet palm.
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