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If you're in PPR, I think Jackson is a sneaky play. Otherwise, sit them both.
I'm tempted in the same way, but the guy has not had a carry since January. He has not been hit since January. Getting your first carry against this D is not optimal.
Grant had Friday off as a precautionary measure to not hurt the hamstring even more than it already is.Brandon Jackson did NOT look good this preseason. He beefed up in the offseason, but he looked like his old self collapsing at first contact. Coaches are not likely to leave him on passing downs because BJ looks just as bad as last season at blocking. With C Scott Wells also banged up, and A Rodgers not having a squeaky clean injury history, I think you'll see more of Grant than they really would like. MIN has a brutal defense, especially DL, so ou can bet Grant is pushed to the limit. I am torn between him and Chris Johnson. I think I may just go with Grant and just live/die by the studs. You gotta pick a strategy and stick with it all season. Don't second guess it. Either play matchups or play your studs.
Agreed. I'm not a Grant owner but if I was, I'd have to have clearly better options available before I'd sit him. And if I had two RBs on my roster better than Grant I must have ridiculously great RB depth. I think the Packers will be smart and not run him into the ground in the first game, but (running backs coach) Edgar Bennett said a couple of days ago he thought Grant could handle 20+ carries without any problems if need be. My advice would be - if you normally would be starting Grant, then start him on Monday night.As far as Brandon Jackson, he is an awful RB. I can't think of a single good reason to start him as long as Grant is healthy. And even if Grant was out, I'd be hardpressed to want to start Jackson unless the rest of my RBs (and the ones on the WW) were horrible.
They are impressed with Lumpkin, and I think he'll see a few touches, but he's not worth rostering yet unless you have a very deep bench.
Hard to believe draft status will have much to do with anything after a seventh round pick beat out a second round pick for the backup QB job. The best players will play in Green Bay - Mike Sherman is gone.
The fact Jackson was drafted to be the starting RB of the future plays a huge role in his spot on the depth chart in my opinion. You could make a strong argument he was the least impressive of the team's RBs in the preseason and yet there he was sitting in the No. 2 spot after the final cuts. Jackson simply isn't a very good RB but Thompson has a lot invested in him and his top picks from last year's draft. It already looks like his first-round pick (Harrell) is a bust; the last thing he needs is for his third-round pick to be a bust too.
The big concern for Grant in my opinion isn't the Vikings' defense, but the Packers' offense without Favre. If Rodgers doesn't play well, Grant will have a very difficult time getting anything going. Grant ripped the Vikings apart for 119 yards and a TD in his start against them last season but that was with Favre at QB. Life is a lot easier for a RB when the defense has to respect the QB and the passing game. Rodgers needs to show the Vikings they must respect his ability to produce points through the air.
Too many weapons for Rodgers not to succeed, imho.
Here's the main problem. If Grant is limited and Jackson gets a lot more playing time, then the Vikings pass rush is going to be an issue. My biggest concern with Rodgers as the QB (as far as differences between having Favre and now Rodgers), is he can move around decently, but his awareness and ability to get rid of the ball is no where near as effective as Favre. I like his talent and think he will success, but only if he is protected. With Grant out and Jackson in, against a Vikings defense now armed with arguably the league's best pass rusher off the edge, Rodgers is in for a long day. Jackson does not pick up blitzes well nor does he pass protect well. He's better than a year ago, but this has been his biggest caveat and limiting factor to earning more playing time. I think that is the reason why Kregg Lumpkin is a player to watch this season. For the Packers offense to fly, they need their backs to protect. Grant can do it, Jackson struggles.It will be telling how Jackson plays today if indeed Grant only plays 50-75% of the time. If we see Lumpkin split Jackson's playing time, then move him up your waiver wire list accordingly. That's how I see it.SeniorVBDStudent said:
Fair enough. Rodgers saw enough playing time last year for me to have confidence that he and Driver and Jennings and Lee will be better than 75% of passing attacks in the league. And adding a pass rusher may not be enough to turn the 32nd ranked pass defense into a team that can exploit Rodgers limited experience.
Draft status has a LOT to do with everything for TT. Thompson is too stuborn to admit when a draft pick has failed. Look at Bush last year, lost the Dallas game by himself as well as the NFC Championship game. I'm actually VERY surprised TT drafted a CB (Lee) early in the draft. I thought he'd wait until like round 4 or 5. TT let Corey Williams go in favor of 1st round draft pick Harrell... yeah that turned out great.
Common ground here. The Packers will produce yardage and probably a TD or two through the air. I agree with that. They have the weapons at WR/TE and the Vikings secondary has a lot to prove, especially without Madieu Williams. I am concerned that if Rodgers doesn't get protection that he could be a high risk starter in that he could be forced into a predictable offense without much of a running game. If the Vikings can force the Packers into a one-dimensional offense, it's pin your ears back time. The 32nd ranked pass defense will look quite a bit better with a player like Allen getting after the QB. The best corners can only cover for so long. If you reduce that time by a couple of seconds consistently, it makes things a lot harder for an "inexperienced" QB like Rodgers and it increases the chances of the Vikings defense forcing turnovers and making plays in the passing game. I think we agree that if Rodgers finishes the game, he'll easily go over 200 yards, throw a 1-2 TDs and probably add 20 yards with his feet. That's nothing to sneeze at, but it's still a risky play with a pretty high ceiling this week.
Since the Packers acquired Bush off of waivers how does his draft status affect his playing status?
Gotta love fans who watch 3 hours of their team every week and think they know more than GM and coaches who see their players every day.Yeah actually while I was posting that I started to think I couldn't recall Bush ever being drafted. Guess that was a big mistake on my part, my appologies, it was a mistake. However, it remains true that TT has a sense of arrogance for "his" players that he's hand picked. It's kind of nauseating. He's let some great players go in favor of guys he's drafted... and now they aren't looking like they'll contribute at all this seasonJackson spent a lot of time this offseason training at the practice facility. I haven't seen it in game yet, but a lot of the coaches talked him up big time this minicamp. He looks the exact same to me. I agree with what's been said on this already- that if Grant goes down Lumpkin will probably factor more into the game plan than BJ.Since the Packers acquired Bush off of waivers how does his draft status affect his playing status?Gotta love fans who watch 3 hours of their team every week and think they know more than GM and coaches who see their players every day.
BTW, I don't own Grant in any leagues, just passing on info that came straight from the coaches mouth
TT didn't 'let Corey Williams go'. TT traded Corey Williams knowing full well they wouldn't pony up the kind of cash Corey Williams would demand on the open market as a free agent. Williams is nice and all, but he could never handle full time PT in Green Bay. Period. They tried to do it with him, and it affected his pass rush. This Corey Williams love is insane. He ain't that good. He's a one dimensional player. He can get to the QB, but that's not a need on Green Bay's D line. They need beef to backup Pickett for run D, not pass rush.Harrel may or may not be a better option. You have no clue and neither do I, because the guy isn't playing. If you can start predicting injuries, you're a better man than I.Yeah actually while I was posting that I started to think I couldn't recall Bush ever being drafted. Guess that was a big mistake on my part, my appologies, it was a mistake. However, it remains true that TT has a sense of arrogance for "his" players that he's hand picked. It's kind of nauseating. He's let some great players go in favor of guys he's drafted... and now they aren't looking like they'll contribute at all this seasonSince the Packers acquired Bush off of waivers how does his draft status affect his playing status?Gotta love fans who watch 3 hours of their team every week and think they know more than GM and coaches who see their players every day.
He put the franchise tag on Williams. That would have forced him to play this season. He didn't "have" to trade him. While yes he's a one-dimensional player, he'd give us more than Harrell is giving us right now (PUP).TT didn't 'let Corey Williams go'. TT traded Corey Williams knowing full well they wouldn't pony up the kind of cash Corey Williams would demand on the open market as a free agent. Williams is nice and all, but he could never handle full time PT in Green Bay. Period. They tried to do it with him, and it affected his pass rush. This Corey Williams love is insane. He ain't that good. He's a one dimensional player. He can get to the QB, but that's not a need on Green Bay's D line. They need beef to backup Pickett for run D, not pass rush.Harrel may or may not be a better option. You have no clue and neither do I, because the guy isn't playing. If you can start predicting injuries, you're a better man than I.Yeah actually while I was posting that I started to think I couldn't recall Bush ever being drafted. Guess that was a big mistake on my part, my appologies, it was a mistake. However, it remains true that TT has a sense of arrogance for "his" players that he's hand picked. It's kind of nauseating. He's let some great players go in favor of guys he's drafted... and now they aren't looking like they'll contribute at all this seasonSince the Packers acquired Bush off of waivers how does his draft status affect his playing status?
And to my estimation, most of the guys Thompson has let go didn't amount to a whole lot. He was right on Ahman Green. He was right on Marco Rivera. He will be right on Bubba. Wahle's debatable, but he's right more often than he's wrong on the roster moves.
Speaking for myself, I don't presume to know more than anyone in the Packers' front office. That said, I wasn't aware that Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy or any GM or head coach in the NFL was perfect. The last time I checked they were both human beings and all human beings make mistakes. Thompson's track record with the Packers has been pretty damn good but he is hardly infallible and he shouldn't be treated as such.
seriously?BTW, I don't own Grant in any leagues, just passing on info that came straight from the coaches mouth
I agree, just tring to speak my frustration on their inability to give any significant depth at QB or even RB. While yes, it's WAY too early to give up on Jackson, but leaving him as the #2 with no experience behind him even... I just hope Grant can stay healthy all year... for the pack and my fantasy team's sake. I would love for BJ to get to the point where he COULD be a starting RB in the league if he wanted. That'd be great to have that much depth at RB
BTW, I don't own Grant in any leagues, just passing on info that came straight from the coaches mouth
If Grant holds up this could be a 22-25 touch game, 10-15 early and some more in the 2nd half. A lot of risk though, it's a Monday night game so other roster options have already played (unless you have B Jackson).Well I am lucky because I have Fargus I can plug in just in case Grant is a late scratch.BTW, I don't own Grant in any leagues, just passing on info that came straight from the coaches mouth
I'm aware of that. And then they'd have been at square one the following season. Discussing a long term deal with a guy who they had not intention of signing to a long term deal. The guy is not worth the kind of money being thrown at D tackles.He put the franchise tag on Williams. That would have forced him to play this season. He didn't "have" to trade him. While yes he's a one-dimensional player, he'd give us more than Harrell is giving us right now (PUP).TT didn't 'let Corey Williams go'. TT traded Corey Williams knowing full well they wouldn't pony up the kind of cash Corey Williams would demand on the open market as a free agent. Williams is nice and all, but he could never handle full time PT in Green Bay. Period. They tried to do it with him, and it affected his pass rush. This Corey Williams love is insane. He ain't that good. He's a one dimensional player. He can get to the QB, but that's not a need on Green Bay's D line. They need beef to backup Pickett for run D, not pass rush.Harrel may or may not be a better option. You have no clue and neither do I, because the guy isn't playing. If you can start predicting injuries, you're a better man than I.Yeah actually while I was posting that I started to think I couldn't recall Bush ever being drafted. Guess that was a big mistake on my part, my appologies, it was a mistake. However, it remains true that TT has a sense of arrogance for "his" players that he's hand picked. It's kind of nauseating. He's let some great players go in favor of guys he's drafted... and now they aren't looking like they'll contribute at all this seasonSince the Packers acquired Bush off of waivers how does his draft status affect his playing status?
And to my estimation, most of the guys Thompson has let go didn't amount to a whole lot. He was right on Ahman Green. He was right on Marco Rivera. He will be right on Bubba. Wahle's debatable, but he's right more often than he's wrong on the roster moves.
I'm not trying to get into an argument here. I just don't understand what's so bad about holding onto a DT when the one ou drafted last year wasn't ready to play? We agree that they'd be better this season, but you're saying next season we'd be back to where we were this preseason... so what? AT least Harrell would have ANOTHER season to try and get himself ready to prove worthy of a 1st round selection.What did we get for Corey Williams? A QB who looked so awful this preseason that he was demoted to 3rd string in favor of a 7th round pick who only started in college for one season...I'm aware of that. And then they'd have been at square one the following season. Discussing a long term deal with a guy who they had not intention of signing to a long term deal. The guy is not worth the kind of money being thrown at D tackles.He put the franchise tag on Williams. That would have forced him to play this season. He didn't "have" to trade him. While yes he's a one-dimensional player, he'd give us more than Harrell is giving us right now (PUP).TT didn't 'let Corey Williams go'. TT traded Corey Williams knowing full well they wouldn't pony up the kind of cash Corey Williams would demand on the open market as a free agent. Williams is nice and all, but he could never handle full time PT in Green Bay. Period. They tried to do it with him, and it affected his pass rush. This Corey Williams love is insane. He ain't that good. He's a one dimensional player. He can get to the QB, but that's not a need on Green Bay's D line. They need beef to backup Pickett for run D, not pass rush.Harrel may or may not be a better option. You have no clue and neither do I, because the guy isn't playing. If you can start predicting injuries, you're a better man than I.Yeah actually while I was posting that I started to think I couldn't recall Bush ever being drafted. Guess that was a big mistake on my part, my appologies, it was a mistake. However, it remains true that TT has a sense of arrogance for "his" players that he's hand picked. It's kind of nauseating. He's let some great players go in favor of guys he's drafted... and now they aren't looking like they'll contribute at all this seasonSince the Packers acquired Bush off of waivers how does his draft status affect his playing status?
And to my estimation, most of the guys Thompson has let go didn't amount to a whole lot. He was right on Ahman Green. He was right on Marco Rivera. He will be right on Bubba. Wahle's debatable, but he's right more often than he's wrong on the roster moves.
haha - sure, say that *after* his 50 yd scamper.. you're right though.. where he was drafted, you do not sit him
Actually, I said it earlier in this thread.
No way would I sit Grant against any defense unless I had unbelievable talent better than him.
He's a Top 10 RB in my opinion who was drafted in the second round of just about every draft I saw. That's great value. The guy is a very good RB.
But you're willing to sit Addai vs MIN?Actually, I said it earlier in this thread.haha - sure, say that *after* his 50 yd scamper..
No way would I sit Grant against any defense unless I had unbelievable talent better than him.
He's a Top 10 RB in my opinion who was drafted in the second round of just about every draft I saw. That's great value. The guy is a very good RB.
I wasn't expecting Addai to look like garbage in Week 1. Had he looked like a first-round pick, I wouldn't be considering sitting him against the Vikings. The fact he looked more like a RB4 is why I think sitting him is something Addai owners have to at least consider next week.But you're willing to sit Addai vs MIN?Actually, I said it earlier in this thread.haha - sure, say that *after* his 50 yd scamper..He's a Top 10 RB in my opinion who was drafted in the second round of just about every draft I saw. That's great value. The guy is a very good RB.
I'd like to believe that if he wasn't trying to make sure he didn't overwork Grant that McCarthy would have yanked Jackson after his early fumble which fortunately the Packers recovered. I just don't get the fascination with Jackson. He isn't a good runner; he's nothing special as a receiver and he can't block. Other than that, he's great. For what it's worth, I do think this might be a week to consider him as a RB3 in PPR leagues if you're really desperate. The Lions obviously are putrid defensively and Jackson could sneak in 40-50 yards and 3-4 receptions for another 20 or so. Grant should go gonzo against them.
A number of us have said Addai probably was not going to look good until after the BYE. No surprise that he didn't put up great stats.However, right before his injury he broke off a couple nice runs, and the OL might be gelling faster than anticipated.If you have better options at RB, start them. But unless Addai's concussion is severe, he will probably be a decent RB2 against MIN.I wasn't expecting Addai to look like garbage in Week 1. Had he looked like a first-round pick, I wouldn't be considering sitting him against the Vikings. The fact he looked more like a RB4 is why I think sitting him is something Addai owners have to at least consider next week.But you're willing to sit Addai vs MIN?Actually, I said it earlier in this thread.haha - sure, say that *after* his 50 yd scamper..He's a Top 10 RB in my opinion who was drafted in the second round of just about every draft I saw. That's great value. The guy is a very good RB.
