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Sleeper Auto Sub Feature (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Joe Bryant
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This one is brand new. I'm not sure how it works but it's interesting.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
mfl has offered a "backup player" feature for as long as I can remember....it/we allows owners to chose one of their bench players each week and put into that slot....but in the message section they have to say if "so and so doesn't play"....and it can only be for that one player in their starting lineup...and the starting player cannot play even one snap....if that happens then the commish (me) subs in the player....it's not a free for all...it strictly one player for one player....so you have to make a limited choice....
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I like it for the I won’t be available right before kickoffs on Sunday, so if A is inactive, put B in the lineup.
I don’t like it for the ability to say if A doesn’t play on Sunday, swap in B off my bench from the Thursday game.
My weekends are plenty busy, but with inactives posted 90 minutes before kick, I almost always have a few minutes to finalize lineups.
I don’t like it for the ability to say if A doesn’t play on Sunday, swap in B off my bench from the Thursday game.
My weekends are plenty busy, but with inactives posted 90 minutes before kick, I almost always have a few minutes to finalize lineups.
zamboni
Footballguy
I can’t imagine any league worth its salt allowing this.
It’s part of how it works:
If you lock in your Thursday player as a sub for a starter on Sunday before TNF kicks off and that starter ends up being OUT, you will receive your sub's points from Thursday
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
hmmmm....I actually don't see the harm....as long as A was in your lineup the ENTIRE time from prekickoff Thursday all the way through A's game on Sunday....and the owner made that declaration before kickoff on Thursday....
pre Thursday kickoff with CLE playing:
I am not starting Chubb....but I want Chubb as my sub for McCaffrey if McCaffrey doesn't play Monday night.....and McCaffrey has to be in his starting lineup come Monday night.....no other players involved whatsoever....
zamboni
Footballguy
I guess every league is different, but no way would we allow any sort of retroactive points from prior games. Those are sunk costs and you’d have to declare someone else who is either playing at the same time or afterwards to fill in for an inactive player.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
but you declare the sub as your sub before he plays....so in my example if Chubb goes 1-3-0 on Thursday and CMC doesn't play on Monday you are stuck with Chubb's crappy performance.....you aren't manipulating anything.....
zamboni
Footballguy
I guess so, but we would allow a swap from Sunday for an inactive Thursday player. But once Sunday comes, you could only use a Sunday/Monday player. I guess it wouldn’t be a pre-TNF only decision but instead recalibrates for Sunday.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
A lot to digest.
Not sure quite how to feel about it just yet.
Not sure quite how to feel about it just yet.
zamboni
Footballguy
In thinking about this new feature a bit more, I do see a potential downside of enabling a lack of effort among some league members that aren't very active. That is, they may have an "out" in case any of their players are inactive and may not feel the need to keep up to date on everything up until game times.
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
Agreed, (hoping no one from The 0089 reads this) why wouldn't you set this each week just in case? Or, can it only be set if someone is on the injury report?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
How long before we just turn our FF teams over to an AI manager who instantaneously swaps out inactives or evaluates injury designations / likelihood of production decrease and sets the lineup on our 100 teams?
Optimization, baby.
There is a soul stealing dehumanizing aspect to AI that makes me wonder sometimes.....
I'll go back to yelling at clouds now....
Optimization, baby.
There is a soul stealing dehumanizing aspect to AI that makes me wonder sometimes.....
I'll go back to yelling at clouds now....
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Probably ruffle some feathers with this take; but so long as it's implemented in a way where you can't manipulate things (which it sounds to be), the only people I can see against this are the ones who enjoy taking advantage of people who aren't able to be on their phones 24/7 every day. Which to me, is more of an unfair advantage than this auto sub feature by a long shot.
Used to be in a league that had long stretches of FA between waivers with no locks, including the entire time between the draft and kickoff week 1; and the few guys who "work from home" and who had no wives/children/responsibilities were able to track news and perform add/drops within seconds of important info all days of the week all times of the day. I get sometimes that's just the way it works, but I don't think that should be the driving force of how league decide on the settings. Probably a place for it in "hardo" leagues; but to me there should be a balance where leagues are competative, but at the same time fair to all those involved. And also fun. Because some people don't find it fun to miss out on a key add, or in this case have to start a late declare inactive player, just because news dropped while they were spending time with their children, or in bed asleep as they need to get up for work at 5am. I'm sure many fantasy players dreams are to spend every Sunday on the coach for 8 hours, but I think for nearly as many that's just not reality.
Used to be in a league that had long stretches of FA between waivers with no locks, including the entire time between the draft and kickoff week 1; and the few guys who "work from home" and who had no wives/children/responsibilities were able to track news and perform add/drops within seconds of important info all days of the week all times of the day. I get sometimes that's just the way it works, but I don't think that should be the driving force of how league decide on the settings. Probably a place for it in "hardo" leagues; but to me there should be a balance where leagues are competative, but at the same time fair to all those involved. And also fun. Because some people don't find it fun to miss out on a key add, or in this case have to start a late declare inactive player, just because news dropped while they were spending time with their children, or in bed asleep as they need to get up for work at 5am. I'm sure many fantasy players dreams are to spend every Sunday on the coach for 8 hours, but I think for nearly as many that's just not reality.
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The issue will be there's a wide difference between people who can't be on their phone 24/7 and those that don't pay attention to their teams.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Fair. But it feels like the most common complaint is how those who don't pay attention to their teams "ruin leagues by starting injured and inactive players giving away wins/making commissioners jobs harder having to swap lineups for them" and this solves that. So I'd challenge then which one is it? Or do people just like complaining for complaining's sake lol?
My guess is people love owners who don't pay much attention when they are playing them, but hate them when their opponents are. And realistically, if they were that much of an issue, most people would boot them from their leagues anyway; especially people around here who love fantasy so much they are active year round on msg boards about fantasy. But maybe, sub consciously, some people like playing in leagues where they feel they have a leg up on half the other members. It just doesn't feel too warm and fuzzy to admit.
zamboni
Footballguy
I'm not sure it totally solves the issue because while commissioners can activate the feature, it's still up to the owners to designate swapped players. May require some enforcement, and as a commissioner, I have enough problems keeping some owners focused as it is.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I've often likened it to herding cats lol. As frustrating as it can be with strangers, for home/friend leagues I'll usually put up with it. It helps I can berate and embarrass them in the chat at least since they are all friends.
But agree, that is a good point. Someone who doesn't pay any attention at all Sundays prior to kickoff is also unlikely to go through the process of setting auto substitutes for questionable players either. I think overall, those kinds of players find their way out of leagues as they also don't participate in waivers, don't respond to trades, can never make the damn draft lol, etc.
I know personally it will be nice to be sitting at whatever Sunday activity my wife occasionally drags me to and not have to stress if I'm getting bad cell reception at 12:45 because I already have these auto subs in place just in case.
wlwiles
Footballguy
I had a situation a few years ago where my only two QBs were Dak (playing SNF) and Daniel Jones (playing MNF). Dak was a gametime decision. It also just so happened to be on Halloween, and I was out trick-or-treating with the kids and I lost track of time. I checked the app right at SNF start time and saw he was ruled out, and he locked into my lineup before I could swap them. Totally my fault, I should have watched the time better...but it was Halloween and I was living life and having fun with my kid. I was literally one minute late, and of course had I subbed in DJ I'd have won the matchup because I took a bagel at QB and lost by 4 pts. The only time in my fantasy career where I started an already-declared-Out player in my lineup.
So for situations like that where an owner can use the power of the site to automatically take out a player with an O designation and swap them for a designated choice, I'm cool with it. Life happens, even the best owners can get caught unawares. If the intent is to manage the lineups for truly inattentive owners, then it's just a best ball league, and those already exist.
So for situations like that where an owner can use the power of the site to automatically take out a player with an O designation and swap them for a designated choice, I'm cool with it. Life happens, even the best owners can get caught unawares. If the intent is to manage the lineups for truly inattentive owners, then it's just a best ball league, and those already exist.
BradtheAg
Footballguy
League is voting on this now. I struggle to comprehend why anyone would vote no to this. Basically you are hoping that people accidentally start inactive players because they were busy with their real life. Which actually damages the overall competitive balance of the league if you really think about it. Makes no sense. People are so afraid of change, its incredible.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is the correct answer.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
From a commish standpoint I like that it gives team managers the option to set a contingency so they don't need to rely on me for it. The more I think about this, the more I like the feature.
zamboni
Footballguy
I don't see it either. I don't think they've rolled it out yet.
zamboni
Footballguy
That's what Sleeper indicated on Twitter, but seems like it's not showing up yet for a number of users (myself included).
joey
Footballguy
Yeah. Not seeing it either on iPhone app or in web browser setting. Sure it’s coming soon.
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
Commish has to enable the feature. Now when you click on a starter you have option at the bottom to select a replacement if that player doesn't see the field for the week.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I lost by 2.6 points on MNF with CMC in my lineup week 1.
This week I have AJB pop up with a hammy week 2 for… MNF.
Really coming around on this idea, and will be proposing it for my home league next season.
This week I have AJB pop up with a hammy week 2 for… MNF.
Really coming around on this idea, and will be proposing it for my home league next season.
pinequick
Footballguy
For 25 years, our league has had a "depth chart feature" on the League Message Board. The logic? NFL teams don't find out that a player is out and say, "Screw it, we'll play with 10!" They put in the backup.
The rules?
1. You must post your weekly depth chart (backups at EACH POSITION--QB, RB, WR, TE, K, TeamD) to the Message Board before the kickoff of Thursday night's game. All depth charts posted thereafter are invalid for that week. Only depth charts posted for the current week are valid (can't rely on old depth charts from prior weeks--this ensures that owners who benefit from depth charts are the active/engaged ones).
2. Players subbed out cannot play A SINGLE DOWN in the game.
3. Players subbed out ONLY miss the game due to injury--no suspensions, no "cut from the team," etc.
It is the TEAM OWNER'S responsibility to contact the Commissioner with players who should be subbed in/out due to the criteria above. All sub requests must be made weekly by Tuesday at noon. After that, all substitution requests--regardless of their validity--will be rejected for the prior week.
Added feature (to reward active owners): first tiebreaker in case of a tie score = total points scored by first backup listed on your weekly depth chart.
We've got some active owners, and some guys who need to coach their kid's softball game at 11:30 a.m. on a Sunday. The Depth Chart feature allows folks to have a life and still play fantasy football competitively, too.
The rules?
1. You must post your weekly depth chart (backups at EACH POSITION--QB, RB, WR, TE, K, TeamD) to the Message Board before the kickoff of Thursday night's game. All depth charts posted thereafter are invalid for that week. Only depth charts posted for the current week are valid (can't rely on old depth charts from prior weeks--this ensures that owners who benefit from depth charts are the active/engaged ones).
2. Players subbed out cannot play A SINGLE DOWN in the game.
3. Players subbed out ONLY miss the game due to injury--no suspensions, no "cut from the team," etc.
It is the TEAM OWNER'S responsibility to contact the Commissioner with players who should be subbed in/out due to the criteria above. All sub requests must be made weekly by Tuesday at noon. After that, all substitution requests--regardless of their validity--will be rejected for the prior week.
Added feature (to reward active owners): first tiebreaker in case of a tie score = total points scored by first backup listed on your weekly depth chart.
We've got some active owners, and some guys who need to coach their kid's softball game at 11:30 a.m. on a Sunday. The Depth Chart feature allows folks to have a life and still play fantasy football competitively, too.
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Would love this feature. Had to stay up to 1am to check if Achane was active Thursday.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Me too! Hey @Joey Wright is this feature enabled in the FBG Bowl leagues? If so, a little help please. Thanx
pinequick
Footballguy
THIS right here is why we have our Message Board depth chart system...
joey
Footballguy
Not much to explain. Click on a player’s position on your bench as if you were going to swap them into your line up.
There’s an option at the bottom that says “set as sub” or something like that. Click that.
Then select the player you want him to sub for.
Dacomish
Footballguy
Each league settings requires the commish to set the setting to allow for subs (see link below).
https://support.sleeper.com/en/articles/9731991-how-does-player-autosubs-work
Dont think that was done in the FBG leagues as what you describe isn't available 0067 at least.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
joey
Footballguy
Oh yeah. Sorry. These directions are assuming your league has this setting turned on, of course.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yep.
The auto-sub feature was introduced by Sleeper after the rules of Footballguys Bowl had been set. We are discussing it for 2025 though.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
The only downside is that it locks the player you want to sub in for the week also. Some guy in my league put Dobbins as the autosub for Achane Thursday night then found out he couldn't start him at the weekend. So it isn't quite a 1 to 1 for waiting and making the change yourself manually.
Probably won't have a detrimental effect that often but worth noting.
Probably won't have a detrimental effect that often but worth noting.
Good to know. Thanks for this info!
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
They have just scrapped that particular oddity so the player is no longer locked.
