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How about Kansas City's Baldwin (starter alongside Bowe - Bowe still a holdout)
Josh Morgan (keep hearing he's starting alongside Garcon)
Josh Morgan (keep hearing he's starting alongside Garcon)
also like baldwin. also buying the recent cobb buzz. I think these guys are excellent WR5 or maybe WR4 depending on your other wrHow about Kansas City's Baldwin (starter alongside Bowe - Bowe still a holdout)Josh Morgan (keep hearing he's starting alongside Garcon)
I think both of this are somewhat inaccurate. Breaston is still in the mix in KC and Morgan is not one of the 3 guys working with the first team in WAS (Garcon, Hankerson, and Moss).How about Kansas City's Baldwin (starter alongside Bowe - Bowe still a holdout)Josh Morgan (keep hearing he's starting alongside Garcon)
I would think Reggie Bush will have more receptions than these guys.As for guys I like... M. WilliamsJ. BaldwinS. RiceS. Smith (STL)J. FordE. SandersV. BrownChad Johnson and Davone Bess - as far as I'm concerned, SOMEBODY is going to catch the ball down there. Each is probably more useful in PPR.
Bowe is the Rodney Dangerfield of fantasy football. Nothing against Baldwin but believe Bowe is one of the most talented receivers playing.. He's just as talented as Bowe.
Prime example of how undervalued Bowe is. Bowe is a beast.Jon Baldwin is an obvious one for me. First round talent entering his second year. Been working hard in the offseason. Dominating in camp.No reason why he can't push 1000 yards. He's just as talented as Bowe.
only because santana is going to play the slotmorgan should be washingtons equivalent of the giants mario manninghamJosh Morgan (keep hearing he's starting alongside Garcon)
Back to the topic at hand. First of all, great idea for a topic.Cobb is an obvious choice. My leagues give heavy bonuses to long TDs so I'm wondering where he goes-he may go in the 9th round.Other guys I like for my league setup (sig has description)Vincent Brown - Meachem is unproven, Floyd gets hurt constantly, he is a skilled WRChad Johnson - I think he still has it and there is plenty of opportunity for targetsEarl Bennett - was actually productive when he and Cutler were both healthy, inherent trust there from Vandy days. Yes Bradon Marshall is there and he's legitimately great, but the Chicago passing O in general should be better and for 2012 he's the next best guy and can be had very cheap. Bump for PPR.Nate Washington - Britt(le) opens the door for targets and he was pretty good last year given opportunitySteve Smith - flyer shot at STL productionJerome Simpson could have some value, someone has to catch some passes in Minny and while I love Harvin he's no lock for 16 gamesAustin Collie - talented and Indy may be throwing a lot
Baldwin is not in Bowe's class. Bowe is ridiculously undervalued around here, both in his talent and his fantasy value.'EBF said:So is Baldwin. First round pick with freakish measurables. Every bit the "beast" that Bowe is. Actually more of one.
Third WR numbers with Manning in IND:'ffrookie said:Caldwell- likely #3 for Denver which has historically been a good spot for Manning
Year Player Rec Yds TD Fpoints Rank1998 Jerome Pathon 50 511 1 56.9 721999 E.G. Green 21 287 0 28.7 982000 T Wilkins 43 569 3 75.7 562001 Reggie Wayne 27 345 0 34.5 862002 Qadry Ismail 44 462 3 64.2 682003 Troy Walters 36 456 3 64.2 722004 Brandon Stokley 68 1077 10 167.7 112005 Brandon Stokley 41 543 1 60.3 682006 Brandon Stokley 8 85 1 14.5 1182007 Marvin Harrison 20 247 1 30.7 992008 A Gonzalez 57 664 4 90.4 452009 Pierre Garcon 47 765 4 101.5 382010 Austin Collie 58 649 8 112.9 32
Baldwin has better physical tools and was basically picked in the same spot. I'm not taking anything away from Bowe, but Baldwin is the one who has been undervalued throughout his career thus far. He's a first round pick with prototypical physical tools and yet people are practically outraged when you suggest that he could be an elite player.Baldwin is not in Bowe's class. Bowe is ridiculously undervalued around here, both in his talent and his fantasy value.'EBF said:So is Baldwin. First round pick with freakish measurables. Every bit the "beast" that Bowe is. Actually more of one.
I am quietly watching how he pans out through TC. He could be a deep pick i would drop a 10+ round pick for him. If he starts making some noise he could go higher due to name recognition alone. I hope he is rather quiet and I would pick him late as a flyer.Anyone considering Randy Moss late as a flier? Smith doesn't have the arm to light him up downfield but he still might get redzone targets, providing he keeps his head screwed on right. I understand looking good in camp and actual games is way different but is Moss done or is he gonna help a fantasy team this year?
Young was told not to come to mini camp earlier this year because he punched a team during weight lifting, I also heard on the radio today that he is going to miss sometime due to an injury. (I just caught the tail end of the update) Also he isn't going in the 10th round or later.Where is Titus Young? He is lighting up in camp. Detroit throws alot and he is the likely #2. Cobb bandwagon yes. Jacoby Ford has the ability to be the #1 there. Check his stats he has a 100 yard game last year when he was healthy.
that's badazzYoung was told not to come to mini camp earlier this year because he punched a team during weight lifting, I also heard on the radio today that he is going to miss sometime due to an injury. (I just caught the tail end of the update) Also he isn't going in the 10th round or later.Where is Titus Young? He is lighting up in camp. Detroit throws alot and he is the likely #2.
Cobb bandwagon yes.
Jacoby Ford has the ability to be the #1 there. Check his stats he has a 100 yard game last year when he was healthy.
Sorry, but he's not in Bowe's league yet. Feel free to continue riding his jock, but he'll probably need another season or two to develop.Baldwin has better physical tools and was basically picked in the same spot. I'm not taking anything away from Bowe, but Baldwin is the one who has been undervalued throughout his career thus far. He's a first round pick with prototypical physical tools and yet people are practically outraged when you suggest that he could be an elite player.Baldwin is not in Bowe's class. Bowe is ridiculously undervalued around here, both in his talent and his fantasy value.'EBF said:So is Baldwin. First round pick with freakish measurables. Every bit the "beast" that Bowe is. Actually more of one.
I don't know about "break out" but I expect these guys to start and have decent depth value at WR in 12 team leagues, if you need it.Andre RobertsJerome SimpsonWhich of these late round WR are the most likely to breakout?Steve Smith (STL)Andre RobertsJerome SimpsonEarl BennettDevin Hester
This mah sound crazy, but I actually think its steve smith. Out of all these guys, hes the only one who has actually done it before. The reports sound like he may be getting back to preinjury form, in which case hes the rams best wr by far.Which of these late round WR are the most likely to breakout?Steve Smith (STL)Andre RobertsJerome SimpsonEarl BennettDevin Hester
not as crazy as this ........the only thing slowing down simpson's production in cincy was targets -- when he was the guy he produced pretty well.so, he's definitely the guy in minny down the field, although harvin is a proven commodity, and rudolph is getting hype, but is harvin really even an every down option...?would I be out of my mind to suggest there are 3 viable targets in minnesota with ponder at qb?if he completes 300 balls somebody has to catch that stuff, right?could there be a very poor, possibly homeless man's welker/gronk/lloyd that you can get in the 4th/13th/last round?This mah sound crazy, but I actually think its steve smith. Out of all these guys, hes the only one who has actually done it before. The reports sound like he may be getting back to preinjury form, in which case hes the rams best wr by far.Which of these late round WR are the most likely to breakout?Steve Smith (STL)Andre RobertsJerome SimpsonEarl BennettDevin Hester
Michael Crabtree has an ADP in round 11. I'd take him over every other guy mentioned so far.How about now? Any new names? Opinions changed?
This. The Rodney Dangerfield of slot receivers. WR33 in PPR last season even though he missed 2 games and was limited in a couple others. You got to be able to deal with the swings but for a bye week fill in he might give you a top 10 performance and his downside is probably better than other guys you would use as a WR4 or 5, not many guys that can do that for pocket change at the end of the draft. And he could have an even better season this year if teams sell out to stop Jimmy G and with Meacham gone.Where's lance moore going nowadays?
Moore has 2-3 good games a year the last couple seasons but the sizzle is always better than the bite here.This. The Rodney Dangerfield of slot receivers. WR33 in PPR last season even though he missed 2 games and was limited in a couple others. You got to be able to deal with the swings but for a bye week fill in he might give you a top 10 performance and his downside is probably better than other guys you would use as a WR4 or 5, not many guys that can do that for pocket change at the end of the draft. And he could have an even better season this year if teams sell out to stop Jimmy G and with Meacham gone.Where's lance moore going nowadays?
Crabtree.Then everyone else.Michael Crabtree has an ADP in round 11. I'd take him over every other guy mentioned so far.How about now? Any new names? Opinions changed?
Yesterday's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel had the following article on James Jones looking good at Packers' camp. This isn't to say that Jones should be on people's radar, but rather that with a rejuvenated Jones and a not-yet-dead Donald Driver -- targets might be hard to come by and unpredicatble with the Packers.Randall Cobb - The hype on him has died down a little, so you're usually able to grab him after the 10th round. He's just as likely to be useless for a fantasy team as he is to blow up...but if he gets a chance, I don't think there is another WR in this range than will be as valuable. Isn't that what you're looking for frm a sleeper anyway?
Packers WR Jones shapes up for season
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/jones-shapes-up-for-season-hj6lb61-167785225.html
Green Bay - Inside, he sparred five minutes at a time. Outside, he flipped tractor tires or ran the hill. For six weeks this off-season, James Jones pushed himself to the brink.
So at Total Performance Fitness in California, the Green Bay Packers wide receiver always kept a bucket or bathroom in his peripheral vision.
"We threw up, threw up, threw up, threw up, threw up," Jones said. "You throw up but you keep on going."
Remember this guy?
Donald Driver has tapped into his annual fountain of youth. Greg Jennings' return from a concussion has been smooth, the No. 1 receiver channeling his inner Allen Iverson on Cincinnati's Leon Hall last week. Randall Cobb remains the great unknown. And Jordy Nelson? He shakes his head, speechless, when asked how many random people have brought up fantasy football to him lately.
And there's Jones. On the field, it's "the same old story," he said. He realizes opportunities may be in sporadic supply. All receivers must maximize their targets. Eat, sleep, repeat - you've heard this before.
But this year - his sixth in the NFL - the 28-year-old vows he is driven by a "rookie's mind-set." The 6-foot-1, 208-pound receiver rededicated himself, admitting he hasn't worked this hard since his predraft workouts in 2007.
His career has been a success to date. Jones averages about 600 yards per season, neatly fitting into Green Bay's arsenal. Yet he's also at a crossroads of sorts. Other young players on the offense - such as Cobb and tight end D.J. Williams - are emerging. And Jones wants more. He told his trainer, Shaun Nunes, his goal is the Pro Bowl.
So that was the approach in Tracy, Calif., and here in Green Bay.
"I just took that mind-set this year," Jones said. "I took the mind-set that I was a rookie. Every time I walked in the gym, I took it that I was a rookie and I had to prove myself taking it like the team doesn't know what I can do and I have to show them. I worked that way this season every time I hit the field and every time I hit the weight room."
This is different from how he attacked the last five summers.
"Yeah, probably except my first one," Jones said. "I went back to my rookie mind-set."
Jones stumbled upon Total Performance Fitness after buying a home for himself and his mother nearby.
First, he went through a trial workout with Nunes - a grueling mash-up of cross training. Then, the two sat down. Jones wouldn't say verbatim that he felt stagnated, that he wasn't working hard enough before, but that's the sense his trainer got.
"He definitely knows he wasn't training like he did this off-season," Nunes said. "Now he knows that he has it in him to push himself above and beyond that pain threshold. . . . He really enjoyed it and I think it took him to a different level. Not only physically, but mentally."
Nunes' six-week strength and conditioning program contained plenty of weightlifting, cardio and balance-oriented workouts - anything that removed Jones from his comfort zone. One specific area of focus was Jones' reaction time, his hands. Boxing helped with that. A handful of amateur mixed martial arts fighters also trained at the gym.
Jones worked with tractor tires, sledgehammers, sleds, everything. He wanted to be challenged.
Nunes even mapped out an in-season workout regimen for Jones to follow.
"He said he has never been in this kind of shape his entire life," Nunes said. "He's been in the league for six years so he just kind of figured, 'Well, I'm here, so I made it' type of thing. I kind of wanted to re-amp him and light a fire under his butt and let him know just because you're there, it doesn't mean anything. You can get cut any day, any time."
As a free agent in 2011, Jones didn't get the big payday he hoped for, staying in Green Bay at the Hotwire-rate of $9.4 million over three years. Not a bad reward for the former third-round pick, to be sure. But a stricter work ethic could have led to more. Jones realizes that maybe he didn't attack each off-season like he should have.
The rookie mind-set is something he must be conscious of daily.
"If you go out there and you don't work hard in the off-season or now you're a vet and you relax a little bit, you're not bettering yourself," Jones said. "When you're a rookie, your mind-set is you have to come in here and prove to everybody you can play this game. That's the mind-set. I wanted to come in here and prove to everybody that I have a lot more to give."
Jones' new outlook hasn't translated to game day yet. In the exhibition opener at San Diego, though tackle Herb Taylor was flagged for holding, he dropped a potential touchdown. Still, during practice, Jones has been the team's best receiver next to Nelson.
He rarely dropped anything at Ray Nitschke Field and consistently burned cornerbacks deep - picking up where he left off with 16.7 yards per catch and seven touchdowns in 2011.
"He has to make that play and he knows that," wide receivers coach Edgar Bennett said of the San Diego drop. "That's expected. He's been making that play day in and day out in practice. So I have seen a lot of good things from James in practice. He has to continue to do it on the game field."
Added Nelson, "He's had a great camp. He came in and played well. Hopefully he gets the opportunities on the field."
Cobb has noticed Jones as well this summer. The second-year receiver doesn't see the Packers' offense reinventing the wheel. Cobb expects a formula similar to last season.
As for Jones' mind-set, he knows that feeling well.
"That's a mind-set you have to have every day, every year, every training camp, every practice," Cobb said. "Just go out there and try to prove yourself to yourself. You know what you can do but you have to go out there and do it."
Of course, one side-effect of the Packers' stocked receiving corps is trade rumors. A team like the Miami Dolphins - coached by former Packers offensive coordinator Joe Philbin - is hurting at receiver. It's easy to connect dots. Theoretically, Jones would make good bait for general manager Ted Thompson.
Like everybody else, Jones hears the grumblings. He says it doesn't faze him.
"Obviously you've made a couple plays if you're in the trade rumors," Jones said. "It doesn't matter, as long as I have a job. They're the ones who gave me another contract and drafted me so I like being here."
And yet Jones also wants to be a difference-maker. Jones and Nunes have stayed in touch. The trainer reaches out to Jones about once a week.
This rookie mind-set comes with veteran goals.
"He's shooting for the Pro Bowl," Nunes said. "He wants to be one of those top, elite wide receivers. He doesn't want to be just another number."
Really is insane how far he is falling right now. Landed him at 12.12 earlier this week. Maybe it's the Moss factor, the conservative passing offense, average QB. He's still their #1, talented and finally hitting his stride with Smith while being healthy all offseason. 11th or 12 round pick that will likely be an every week WR3 start or flex.Michael Crabtree has an ADP in round 11. I'd take him over every other guy mentioned so far.How about now? Any new names? Opinions changed?
Moore was in the TOP 10 four times last season in regular scoring, as high as WR4. He was also outside the top 36 seven times (excluding weeks 1 2 and 17 when he was injured. So if that held up you'd have about a 55% for a subpar day (not surprising for a bye filler of course), about 15% chance of a WR3 performance, and a 30% chance for a WR1 day. Of course that a small sample side so ymmv. A guy like Moore isn't for everyone, but for a bye week or emergency fill in to give you about a 50/50 chance of not embarrasing you, and a 1 in 3 chance of hitting a HUGE homerun, that can be a very appealing club in the ol golf bag. Especially considering he's virtually free.AND- lets not forget that slot receivers, particularly in PPR, have been known to blow up quite abruptly. Could Moore be the next Welker or Cruz? He's certainly demonstrated the ability to do so, but of course it depends more on the offense than anything he can do. So you have to throw that lightning in a bottle possibility into the mix... which is one of the reasons you draft a lot of guys late.Moore has 2-3 good games a year the last couple seasons but the sizzle is always better than the bite here.This. The Rodney Dangerfield of slot receivers. WR33 in PPR last season even though he missed 2 games and was limited in a couple others. You got to be able to deal with the swings but for a bye week fill in he might give you a top 10 performance and his downside is probably better than other guys you would use as a WR4 or 5, not many guys that can do that for pocket change at the end of the draft. And he could have an even better season this year if teams sell out to stop Jimmy G and with Meacham gone.Where's lance moore going nowadays?