Small tidbit re Brandon Jacobs (1 Viewer)

[gman8343]

Was in New York talking to my father in law who's a big Giants fan (as am I). He knows one of the trainers for the G-men and saw him at a party a few weeks ago. He asked him how the running game was going to go w/o Tiki. Trainer said Jacobs *may* be the guy, but last year several times he was sucking wind toward the end of games big time, even though he only touched the ball a few times. Mentioned Jacobs almost had to be carried off the field in one instance because he was so tired. Trainer said conditioning is going to be a huge factor in whether Jacobs has success as the lead back, and Droughns is very much a possibility to share or even take over if Jacobs can't hack it because Droughns has proven he can handle the load and is a better reciever out of the backfield than people give him credit for. Right now it's Jacobs' job to lose, but he supposedly needs a lot of work in terms of conditioning to make it through the season. So far in his career the trainer has NOT been impressed with Jacobs' work ethic, but he said Jacobs may change for the better now that he is being annointed as "the guy."

Take it for what it's worth...

 

[KellysHeroes]

Was in New York talking to my father in law who's a big Giants fan (as am I). He knows one of the trainers for the G-men and saw him at a party a few weeks ago. He asked him how the running game was going to go w/o Tiki. Trainer said Jacobs *may* be the guy, but last year several times he was sucking wind toward the end of games big time, even though he only touched the ball a few times. Mentioned Jacobs almost had to be carried off the field in one instance because he was so tired. Trainer said conditioning is going to be a huge factor in whether Jacobs has success as the lead back, and Droughns is very much a possibility to share or even take over if Jacobs can't hack it because Droughns has proven he can handle the load and is a better reciever out of the backfield than people give him credit for. Right now it's Jacobs' job to lose, but he supposedly needs a lot of work in terms of conditioning to make it through the season. So far in his career the trainer has NOT been impressed with Jacobs' work ethic, but he said Jacobs may change for the better now that he is being annointed as "the guy."Take it for what it's worth...

Jacobs is going into TC as the starter... he should be in shape by openning week..Thanks for the news.

 

[Sabertooth]

Something worthy of monitoring for sure.

 

[GregR_2]

Thanks for the post.

 

[bostonfred]

Good info. Thanks for posting it.

Put this in context with this news:

(KFFL) Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Giants RB Brandon Jacobs will lose a series or two to RB Reuben Droughns each game.

Sounds like BJ is getting the Majority of touches. for pre-season

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...mp;qpid=7043269I wonder if this means that the coaches are openly talking about this, and Ralph V. is reporting that they're now openly talking about Droughns getting time. If that's the case, then this could be a significant development.

 

[TheFanatic]

This will definitely be something to watch closely in the preseason games. I'm pretty sure they will run JAcobs pretty hard in one of them. First half and a good chunk of the 3rd to see how he's doing. Maybe even part of the 4th. Also, the NYG trainers have plenty of time ti increase his endurance in training camp.

Owning the guy in 1 league (but not having to count on him behind Addai, Gore and James) I will be watching the preseason games for the G-Men closely....

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Was in New York talking to my father in law who's a big Giants fan (as am I). He knows one of the trainers for the G-men and saw him at a party a few weeks ago. He asked him how the running game was going to go w/o Tiki. Trainer said Jacobs *may* be the guy, but last year several times he was sucking wind toward the end of games big time, even though he only touched the ball a few times. Mentioned Jacobs almost had to be carried off the field in one instance because he was so tired. Trainer said conditioning is going to be a huge factor in whether Jacobs has success as the lead back, and Droughns is very much a possibility to share or even take over if Jacobs can't hack it because Droughns has proven he can handle the load and is a better reciever out of the backfield than people give him credit for. Right now it's Jacobs' job to lose, but he supposedly needs a lot of work in terms of conditioning to make it through the season. So far in his career the trainer has NOT been impressed with Jacobs' work ethic, but he said Jacobs may change for the better now that he is being annointed as "the guy."Take it for what it's worth...

This is complete bunk. Especially the work ethic bit. He's been working out with Tiki's trainer Joe Carini and is coming into training camp in the best shape of his life.

 

[bostonfred]

Was in New York talking to my father in law who's a big Giants fan (as am I). He knows one of the trainers for the G-men and saw him at a party a few weeks ago. He asked him how the running game was going to go w/o Tiki. Trainer said Jacobs *may* be the guy, but last year several times he was sucking wind toward the end of games big time, even though he only touched the ball a few times. Mentioned Jacobs almost had to be carried off the field in one instance because he was so tired. Trainer said conditioning is going to be a huge factor in whether Jacobs has success as the lead back, and Droughns is very much a possibility to share or even take over if Jacobs can't hack it because Droughns has proven he can handle the load and is a better reciever out of the backfield than people give him credit for. Right now it's Jacobs' job to lose, but he supposedly needs a lot of work in terms of conditioning to make it through the season. So far in his career the trainer has NOT been impressed with Jacobs' work ethic, but he said Jacobs may change for the better now that he is being annointed as "the guy."Take it for what it's worth...

This is complete bunk. Especially the work ethic bit. He's been working out with Tiki's trainer Joe Carini and is coming into training camp in the best shape of his life.

Where are you hearing this from?

 

[CA_7]

Was in New York talking to my father in law who's a big Giants fan (as am I). He knows one of the trainers for the G-men and saw him at a party a few weeks ago. He asked him how the running game was going to go w/o Tiki. Trainer said Jacobs *may* be the guy, but last year several times he was sucking wind toward the end of games big time, even though he only touched the ball a few times. Mentioned Jacobs almost had to be carried off the field in one instance because he was so tired. Trainer said conditioning is going to be a huge factor in whether Jacobs has success as the lead back, and Droughns is very much a possibility to share or even take over if Jacobs can't hack it because Droughns has proven he can handle the load and is a better reciever out of the backfield than people give him credit for. Right now it's Jacobs' job to lose, but he supposedly needs a lot of work in terms of conditioning to make it through the season. So far in his career the trainer has NOT been impressed with Jacobs' work ethic, but he said Jacobs may change for the better now that he is being annointed as "the guy."

Take it for what it's worth...

This is complete bunk. Especially the work ethic bit. He's been working out with Tiki's trainer Joe Carini and is coming into training camp in the best shape of his life.

I have also heard on Giant's boards and link below he is working with Carini, can't back up the best shape of his life part but a source would be nice.http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...rush_job-1.html

As a Giants fan, I love Jacobs. I am more worried about Eli, the OL and their impact on the running game.

 

[gman8343]

Was in New York talking to my father in law who's a big Giants fan (as am I). He knows one of the trainers for the G-men and saw him at a party a few weeks ago. He asked him how the running game was going to go w/o Tiki. Trainer said Jacobs *may* be the guy, but last year several times he was sucking wind toward the end of games big time, even though he only touched the ball a few times. Mentioned Jacobs almost had to be carried off the field in one instance because he was so tired. Trainer said conditioning is going to be a huge factor in whether Jacobs has success as the lead back, and Droughns is very much a possibility to share or even take over if Jacobs can't hack it because Droughns has proven he can handle the load and is a better reciever out of the backfield than people give him credit for. Right now it's Jacobs' job to lose, but he supposedly needs a lot of work in terms of conditioning to make it through the season. So far in his career the trainer has NOT been impressed with Jacobs' work ethic, but he said Jacobs may change for the better now that he is being annointed as "the guy."Take it for what it's worth...

This is complete bunk. Especially the work ethic bit. He's been working out with Tiki's trainer Joe Carini and is coming into training camp in the best shape of his life.

You're saying it's completely untrue that Jacobs grew tired in several games last season despite touching the ball only a few times? The trainer never said he would fail or wasn't going to be in shape this year, simply that the last couple of seasons he has not been impressed. I don't understand how working with Carini and coming into camp in great shape this year invalidates this info.

 

[bostonfred]

I have also heard on Giant's boards and link below he is working with Carini, can't back up the best shape of his life part but a source would be nice.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...rush_job-1.html

As a Giants fan, I love Jacobs. I am more worried about Eli, the OL and their impact on the running game.

Reuben Droughns, the newest Giant, is looking forward to a running back competition this summer that he said "the best man is going to win."

According to Brandon Jacobs, the best man already has.

"I think I've earned the opportunity to be the main guy," Jacobs told the Daily News yesterday. "I can be just as good as anybody else in the league. I can be just as good as your top Pro Bowl guy. That's not even a concern to me. I think I'm most definitely going to get my opportunity to carry 20-25 times per game. I can't wait."

The confident Jacobs likely will get at least that next season, since he's the heir apparent to Tiki Barber, even though the Giants traded receiver Tim Carter to Cleveland for Droughns on Friday. The trade became official when both players passed physicals yesterday, a few hours before Droughns and Jacobs met at Giants Stadium and set up plans to go to lunch. That will be the first of many things they share, since the plan is to let the 5-11, 220-pound Droughns get 10-15 carries per game - possibly including some short-yardage - to keep the 6-4, 265-pound Jacobs healthy and to give him an occasional break. Jacobs welcomed the deal for Droughns, whom he called "a small, powerful-type guy," and said, "It's going to be a pleasure to play with him."

Yet Jacobs made it clear he expects to be "the man" in the Giants' backfield. He's ready to shed the short-yardage role which led to only 96 carries (and 423 yards) last season. And he's been working hard in the offseason with Barber's old trainer, Joe Carini, to make sure he's ready for the increased load.

Thanks for the link. So it sounds like:

Before this year, Jacobs hadn't impressed the trainer gman talked to.

Jacobs has been working out with Joe Carini, who helped Tiki Barber in the past.

Ralph V of the Daily News reported earlier in the season that there was competition, but Jacobs thought he was the guy.

He has since reported that Jacobs will get the bulk of the carries, and that Droughns will get "a series or two each game"

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Where are you hearing this from?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...rush_job-1.htmlConditioning and work ethic are non-issues with Jacobs.

 

[LHUCKS]

The Giants have a lot invested in Jacobs...they'll do everything they can to make sure he's in game shape.

Whether or not he has good endurance is another question, and a valid one for my money. If he doesn't, that would imply a bigger split with Droughns IMHO.

Thanks for the post.

 

[bostonfred]

Where are you hearing this from?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...rush_job-1.htmlConditioning and work ethic are non-issues with Jacobs.

That's from March, and it doesn't say he's working hard, or in good shape. It just says he's confident and he's working with a successful trainer.

 

[CA_7]

The Giants have a lot invested in Jacobs...

How so? He is only signed through 2008 and is making less than 500k per year. Can see where maybe they are putting "all their eggs in one basket" since I am not high on Droughns and don't see him as a viable option.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

You're saying it's completely untrue that Jacobs grew tired in several games last season despite touching the ball only a few times?

Yes.

 

[LHUCKS]

The Giants have a lot invested in Jacobs...

How so? He is only signed through 2008 and is making less than 500k per year. Can see where maybe they are putting "all their eggs in one basket" since I am not high on Droughns and don't see him as a viable option.

Right, I wasn't talking about financials. The Giants need a good running game and Jacobs has been annointed as the #1 guy, hence my invested remark.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Where are you hearing this from?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...rush_job-1.htmlConditioning and work ethic are non-issues with Jacobs.

That's from March, and it doesn't say he's working hard, or in good shape. It just says he's confident and he's working with a successful trainer.

I've seen what Tiki's workouts with Carini were like. I've seen what kind of shape Brandon is in now. I can assure you they haven't been playing tiddly winks all off season.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

You're saying it's completely untrue that Jacobs grew tired in several games last season despite touching the ball only a few times?

Yes.

How does the fact that Jacobs is working out with Tiki's trainer NOW, invalidate the fact that IN THE PAST he has gotten tired near the end of games? There's room here for both statements to be correct. It's not an either/or scenario.

 

[nygiants56]

Was in New York talking to my father in law who's a big Giants fan (as am I). He knows one of the trainers for the G-men and saw him at a party a few weeks ago. He asked him how the running game was going to go w/o Tiki. Trainer said Jacobs *may* be the guy, but last year several times he was sucking wind toward the end of games big time, even though he only touched the ball a few times. Mentioned Jacobs almost had to be carried off the field in one instance because he was so tired. Trainer said conditioning is going to be a huge factor in whether Jacobs has success as the lead back, and Droughns is very much a possibility to share or even take over if Jacobs can't hack it because Droughns has proven he can handle the load and is a better reciever out of the backfield than people give him credit for. Right now it's Jacobs' job to lose, but he supposedly needs a lot of work in terms of conditioning to make it through the season. So far in his career the trainer has NOT been impressed with Jacobs' work ethic, but he said Jacobs may change for the better now that he is being annointed as "the guy."

Take it for what it's worth...

This is complete bunk. Especially the work ethic bit. He's been working out with Tiki's trainer Joe Carini and is coming into training camp in the best shape of his life.

I have also heard on Giant's boards and link below he is working with Carini, can't back up the best shape of his life part but a source would be nice.http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...rush_job-1.html

As a Giants fan, I love Jacobs. I am more worried about Eli, the OL and their impact on the running game.

Circle gets a Square!!

if that line doesn't shape up,this team is DEAD in the water. And, since Eli is one of the most inaccurate passers in the NFL, he's likely to see more 8-9 man fronts now, without Tiki around...

going to be an interesting few weeks in upstate NY , once camp opens!!

 

[Construction Man Jim]

You're saying it's completely untrue that Jacobs grew tired in several games last season despite touching the ball only a few times?

Yes.

How does the fact that Jacobs is working out with Tiki's trainer NOW, invalidate the fact that IN THE PAST he has gotten tired near the end of games? There's room here for both statements to be correct. It's not an either/or scenario.

I didn't say it did.At no point in the past three years has a Giants coach questioned Jacobs conditioning or work ethic.But, if you want to buy into some third-hand, unsubstantiated "tidbit", that's your prerogative.

 

[cstu]

Was in New York talking to my father in law who's a big Giants fan (as am I). He knows one of the trainers for the G-men and saw him at a party a few weeks ago. He asked him how the running game was going to go w/o Tiki. Trainer said Jacobs *may* be the guy, but last year several times he was sucking wind toward the end of games big time, even though he only touched the ball a few times. Mentioned Jacobs almost had to be carried off the field in one instance because he was so tired. Trainer said conditioning is going to be a huge factor in whether Jacobs has success as the lead back, and Droughns is very much a possibility to share or even take over if Jacobs can't hack it because Droughns has proven he can handle the load and is a better reciever out of the backfield than people give him credit for. Right now it's Jacobs' job to lose, but he supposedly needs a lot of work in terms of conditioning to make it through the season. So far in his career the trainer has NOT been impressed with Jacobs' work ethic, but he said Jacobs may change for the better now that he is being annointed as "the guy."

Take it for what it's worth...

This is complete bunk. Especially the work ethic bit. He's been working out with Tiki's trainer Joe Carini and is coming into training camp in the best shape of his life.

I see it's that time of year again.

 

[treat88]

is coming into training camp in the best shape of his life.

Isn't everyone?I will be very surprised to see Jacobs receive a full time workload and hold up over the course of a season.

 

[gman8343]

You're saying it's completely untrue that Jacobs grew tired in several games last season despite touching the ball only a few times?

Yes.

How does the fact that Jacobs is working out with Tiki's trainer NOW, invalidate the fact that IN THE PAST he has gotten tired near the end of games? There's room here for both statements to be correct. It's not an either/or scenario.

I didn't say it did.At no point in the past three years has a Giants coach publicly questioned Jacobs conditioning or work ethic.

But, if you want to buy into some third-hand, unsubstantiated "tidbit", that's your prerogative.

Fixed. And there's no need for the attitude. I heard something, I passed it along. No prob if you don't believe it, but I personally enjoy getting nuggets of info from people who hear stuff like this.

 

[joffer]

Was in New York talking to my father in law who's a big Giants fan (as am I). He knows one of the trainers for the G-men and saw him at a party a few weeks ago. He asked him how the running game was going to go w/o Tiki. Trainer said Jacobs *may* be the guy, but last year several times he was sucking wind toward the end of games big time, even though he only touched the ball a few times. Mentioned Jacobs almost had to be carried off the field in one instance because he was so tired. Trainer said conditioning is going to be a huge factor in whether Jacobs has success as the lead back, and Droughns is very much a possibility to share or even take over if Jacobs can't hack it because Droughns has proven he can handle the load and is a better reciever out of the backfield than people give him credit for. Right now it's Jacobs' job to lose, but he supposedly needs a lot of work in terms of conditioning to make it through the season. So far in his career the trainer has NOT been impressed with Jacobs' work ethic, but he said Jacobs may change for the better now that he is being annointed as "the guy."Take it for what it's worth...

thanks for the tidbit...

 

[H.K.]

Was in New York talking to my father in law who's a big Giants fan (as am I). He knows one of the trainers for the G-men and saw him at a party a few weeks ago. He asked him how the running game was going to go w/o Tiki. Trainer said Jacobs *may* be the guy, but last year several times he was sucking wind toward the end of games big time, even though he only touched the ball a few times. Mentioned Jacobs almost had to be carried off the field in one instance because he was so tired. Trainer said conditioning is going to be a huge factor in whether Jacobs has success as the lead back, and Droughns is very much a possibility to share or even take over if Jacobs can't hack it because Droughns has proven he can handle the load and is a better reciever out of the backfield than people give him credit for. Right now it's Jacobs' job to lose, but he supposedly needs a lot of work in terms of conditioning to make it through the season. So far in his career the trainer has NOT been impressed with Jacobs' work ethic, but he said Jacobs may change for the better now that he is being annointed as "the guy."Take it for what it's worth...

More word from Exit 16W, and it continues to be bad. I've been saying it for months, those on the inside know this situation, and it ain't pretty.

 

[gianmarco]

Was in New York talking to my father in law who's a big Giants fan (as am I). He knows one of the trainers for the G-men and saw him at a party a few weeks ago. He asked him how the running game was going to go w/o Tiki. Trainer said Jacobs *may* be the guy, but last year several times he was sucking wind toward the end of games big time, even though he only touched the ball a few times. Mentioned Jacobs almost had to be carried off the field in one instance because he was so tired. Trainer said conditioning is going to be a huge factor in whether Jacobs has success as the lead back, and Droughns is very much a possibility to share or even take over if Jacobs can't hack it because Droughns has proven he can handle the load and is a better reciever out of the backfield than people give him credit for. Right now it's Jacobs' job to lose, but he supposedly needs a lot of work in terms of conditioning to make it through the season. So far in his career the trainer has NOT been impressed with Jacobs' work ethic, but he said Jacobs may change for the better now that he is being annointed as "the guy."

Take it for what it's worth...

More word from Exit 16W, and it continues to be bad. I've been saying it for months, those on the inside that I like to refer to while ignoring those on the inside that don't agree with me know this situation, and it ain't pretty.

Corrected for you. There have been more than a handful of people "from Exit 16W" that have reported the opposite of what you preach.

 

[H.K.]

Corrected for you. There have been more than a handful of people "from Exit 16W" that have reported the opposite of what you preach.

The Giants are obviously going to put a positive PR spin on this in the media. The real truth is not being published. gman just did everyone on this board a huge service. Do not look a gift horse in the mouth with this info.

 

[Sultans]

My wife's uncle's barber, no relation to Tiki, heard that Jacobs pees his bed and likes to snuggle with teddy bears. Time for a downgrade.

 

[nygiants56]

Was in New York talking to my father in law who's a big Giants fan (as am I). He knows one of the trainers for the G-men and saw him at a party a few weeks ago. He asked him how the running game was going to go w/o Tiki. Trainer said Jacobs *may* be the guy, but last year several times he was sucking wind toward the end of games big time, even though he only touched the ball a few times. Mentioned Jacobs almost had to be carried off the field in one instance because he was so tired. Trainer said conditioning is going to be a huge factor in whether Jacobs has success as the lead back, and Droughns is very much a possibility to share or even take over if Jacobs can't hack it because Droughns has proven he can handle the load and is a better reciever out of the backfield than people give him credit for. Right now it's Jacobs' job to lose, but he supposedly needs a lot of work in terms of conditioning to make it through the season. So far in his career the trainer has NOT been impressed with Jacobs' work ethic, but he said Jacobs may change for the better now that he is being annointed as "the guy."Take it for what it's worth...

your info sounds like an REO Speedwagon song :cringe:`heard it from a friend who, heard if from a friend who, heard it from another....'Jacobs is Stacey Mack, v2.0. A big dude who everyone thinks is going to be a top RB once he becomes the starter..but he might just disappoint..fact is, you can't count on 1 hand, almost on 1 finger, the number of 260+lb RB's that have ever panned out in the 90+ year history of the NFL.just 2 guys: Ironhead Heyward, and Christian Okoye. Neither is a hall of famer, and neither lasted more than a small handful of years as a starting RB. between them , Heyward has just one 1,000+ yard season to his name, while Okoye has just two.another big back,was Rod Bernstine, and he was `only ` 6'3,238..but he never rushed for over 1,000 in any year during his NFL career. Historical trends are hard to buck. This one might just be impossible.Consider that the Giants O-line is in disarray and their best offensive weapon, has retired(Tiki). And,the defenses in their division have gotten better ( Dallas should be great this season!).let someone else take Jacobs at your draft. go for the 'sure things' and not the overhyped guys like Jacobs.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Ummm he's working out with Tiki's trainner

I'm not missing the boat twice - Jacobs is top 10 material this year

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Fixed. And there's no need for the attitude. I heard something, I passed it along. No prob if you don't believe it, but I personally enjoy getting nuggets of info from people who hear stuff like this.

Has this source provided you with credible information before?

 

[Brutis]

Im pretty sure Jacobs is more aware of his endurance issues more than anyone. He has lost 10 pounds already and has been working hard to correct this along with his upright running style.

 

[Bri]

Was in New York talking to my father in law who's a big Giants fan (as am I). He knows one of the trainers for the G-men and saw him at a party a few weeks ago. He asked him how the running game was going to go w/o Tiki. Trainer said Jacobs *may* be the guy, but last year several times he was sucking wind toward the end of games big time, even though he only touched the ball a few times. Mentioned Jacobs almost had to be carried off the field in one instance because he was so tired. Trainer said conditioning is going to be a huge factor in whether Jacobs has success as the lead back, and Droughns is very much a possibility to share or even take over if Jacobs can't hack it because Droughns has proven he can handle the load and is a better reciever out of the backfield than people give him credit for. Right now it's Jacobs' job to lose, but he supposedly needs a lot of work in terms of conditioning to make it through the season. So far in his career the trainer has NOT been impressed with Jacobs' work ethic, but he said Jacobs may change for the better now that he is being annointed as "the guy."Take it for what it's worth...

Appreciate the effortI'm not sure about your trainer friend though man but I have a hard time distinguishing which is your take and which is what he said.One thing lost in the replies here is how Coughlin "rides" his RBs. I don't know how, because it's well publicized, but it's not mentioned. If Tiki were Sprewell......Some missed a Jacobs vs Coughlin blowup last year that was very very much like all the Tiki Coughlin spats. It might interest some to google and find that. I think at the time a Tiki spat overshadowed that.Jacobs is in fine shape and has been working out with Tiki's trainer and his routine he does personally is from the former RB Adonis named Eddie George. You can find quotes by Osi and Shockey and IIRC Eli stating just how great shape he's in and IIRC Osi admits to not wanting to get hurt trying to tackle him in practice last year too.

 

[crnerblitz]

My opinion is that Jacobs will not outproduce his ADP. Regardless of whom he is training with.

O-line woes and poor play from the QB position will be as much of a factor as his rather large frame will.

 

[AB in DC]

Okay, so the Giants want Jacobs to win the job, but they're not yet convinced that he can carry the load.

This is news?

Sounds more like common sense to me.