Dinsy Ejotuz
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So after 6 Rnds What RB Rookie has the best situation (1 Viewer)
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LawFitz
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Looks like this guy could be a good value in dynasty formats:
Taiwan Jones
He is the most explosive RB in this draft; elite NFL measurables in terms of agility/speed; decent height/weight frame, tho could use more bulk - looks skinny. Excellent hands and a good/willing blocker. Not just another Al Davis burner. He was tremendously productive in college. Receiving ability is good enough to where some predraft scouts even had him as a WR conversion possiblity. Think a smaller version of Darren McFadden. Ironic (or maybe not) that he ends up as DMC's backup.
Yes M. Bush is in the picture too for seemingly at minimum another year. But right now I see the Raiders as an explosive place for RBs in 2011, with DMC/Bush as the primary guys in a lightening and thunder approach, and Taiwan Jones/Marcell Reece playing the back up roles to the DMC/Bush tandem.
No way he unseats DMC, but he's an injury away from being an RB1 in fantasy when you factor in the catches and screens that come with new head coach Hue Jackson. Sleeper alert, for sure on last year's #6 NFL scoring offense.
Taiwan Jones
He is the most explosive RB in this draft; elite NFL measurables in terms of agility/speed; decent height/weight frame, tho could use more bulk - looks skinny. Excellent hands and a good/willing blocker. Not just another Al Davis burner. He was tremendously productive in college. Receiving ability is good enough to where some predraft scouts even had him as a WR conversion possiblity. Think a smaller version of Darren McFadden. Ironic (or maybe not) that he ends up as DMC's backup.
Yes M. Bush is in the picture too for seemingly at minimum another year. But right now I see the Raiders as an explosive place for RBs in 2011, with DMC/Bush as the primary guys in a lightening and thunder approach, and Taiwan Jones/Marcell Reece playing the back up roles to the DMC/Bush tandem.
No way he unseats DMC, but he's an injury away from being an RB1 in fantasy when you factor in the catches and screens that come with new head coach Hue Jackson. Sleeper alert, for sure on last year's #6 NFL scoring offense.
jacobo_moses
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Has anyone seen Cecil Lammey still waiting for him to weigh in? 
UnknownCoach
Footballguy
The contract makes sense. Like any underpaid veteran free agent, Thomas gets rewarded for past performance by getting a big bonus and some gauranteed money this year. If Ingram takes over as starter, Thomas is unlikely to reach the bigger incentives in the later part of the contract. If they cut Thomas in 2012, they only lose 840,000. If they cut him in 2013, they dont lose anything. They only really have to pay Thomas starters money this year and its not like they knew Ingram would be sitting there at their draft position. Remember, the Saints had a young Ricky Williams and they drafted McCallister because he was a steal. Drafting Ingram is actually a considerable upgrade over Thomas. The only head scratcher is Bush who has had people scratching heads for years but I wont get into that here.'BigJim® said:
saintfool
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This is the best post I have seen describing the saints RB situation in the aftermath of the draft. Payton/Loomis have made it clear that they want Bush to stay. No such statement has been made about Pierre or Ivory, however. Pierre's contract isn't bad at all and they can afford to keep him with Ingram for a time. I think they will use Pierre and Ingram similar to the way they used Pierre and Bell during the SB run. It's a formula proven successful for the Saints. At the end of the season then they will figure out what to do with Pierre. They'll cut Reggie. They'll put an offer on the table for him to re-sign. He'll be free to shop his services elsewhere. They are just done with overpaying for his services. If he can get a better deal elsewhere then they are not going to stand in his way.
DesmondBishop
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Why would they suddenly completely bench Ivory when he was a beast last year? He averaged over 5 yards per carry had many long runs and was pretty unstoppable on short yardage, clearly most of you did not watch the Saints games last year. I think it will be a RBBC as usual and the top performer in camp will most likely carry the load or he plays the old "hot hand" card and mixes it up from week to week.
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saintfool
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i think there may be a role in the future for ivory but not for some time. 1. he's coming off lisfranc surgery, which is no joke. it would be pretty remarkable for him to be ready and starting come week 1. prior to ingram, he was a prime candidate for PUP.
2. pierre was signed to a 4 year contract.
3. while ivory was productive, he has grave limitations as a player. specifically, he isn't able to catch a pass and that limits his time on the field.
4. ingram *was* drafted.
ivory might be more a big play RB than pierre but pierre fits that offense better. ingram is in the mold of deuce mcallister. ivory is depth and nothing more, i think.
DesmondBishop
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Obviously at this point we are all just guessing, but I don't think any coach worth his salary plays a lesser guy because he was a higher pick. I am also basing this on Ivory being healthy at the start of the season which he may not be, although he had the lesser of the lisfranc injuries and my understanding at this point is he has started running. If I were a Saints fan I would want to see Ivory as the early down and short yardage/TD back as he was head and shoulders above everyone else on the team. Hopefully we will all get to see how it turns out when they are playing this year.
jacobo_moses
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Yeah it would be nice if we could get back on track. It is worth noting that Bloom has his Post Draft rookie ranking up now. And to answer this question it would probably be Shane Vereen RB PATS or Kendall Hunter RB SF at this point.
Scooby1974
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So you want to see Ivory start as opposed to seeing the first round, Heisman trophy winning running back they gave up multiple picks for? You might be the ONLY one.
eaglesfan7
Footballguy
Are you kidding? Vereen with 3 other backs is in the best situation? Kendall Hunter, behind Frank Gore, is in the best situation?
DesmondBishop
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A guy who is a proven beast over a guy who has done nothing? Yes please.
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DesmondBishop
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Sorry op.
To get back on track, I kind of like Leshoure's situation, if he starts and they use Best as the 3rd down/option back, he could put up nice numbers especially if Stafford can stay healthy all season. I really love what Detroit has done the past couple years in the draft and I look for them to be a potential playoff team this year.
To get back on track, I kind of like Leshoure's situation, if he starts and they use Best as the 3rd down/option back, he could put up nice numbers especially if Stafford can stay healthy all season. I really love what Detroit has done the past couple years in the draft and I look for them to be a potential playoff team this year.
Couch Potato
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I've read the thread but have stayed out of the Ivory discussion until now. Something that fantasy guys forget but NFL coaches never do is turnovers, and Ivory has always had an issue with them. Last year he had 4 or 5 fumbles in 12 games (and it was an issue in college IIRC), and a couple that were very costly. That can't be discounted. It's critical for a RB to be able to hold onto the ball, and if he can't he doesn't start. I'm sure with Ivory this is a big part of the reason they felt they had to upgrade. Ingram's fumble record is stellar by the way.
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i can see Hunter being in a great situation if you look past this year.
if Dixon is adding weight and becoming more of a fullback (like McLain?), then the first RB taken by Harbaugh should be the heir to RB1 in SF... probably won't be this year unless there is an injury, but an increased roll from part time 3rd down back next year and then it is a matter of what Hunter does with his playing time.
i personally would like a little more discussion on Carter since I think he is in a great situation only having to beat out Addai, Brown and Hart (of course, if a Free Agent lands there that changes everything)
if Dixon is adding weight and becoming more of a fullback (like McLain?), then the first RB taken by Harbaugh should be the heir to RB1 in SF... probably won't be this year unless there is an injury, but an increased roll from part time 3rd down back next year and then it is a matter of what Hunter does with his playing time.
i personally would like a little more discussion on Carter since I think he is in a great situation only having to beat out Addai, Brown and Hart (of course, if a Free Agent lands there that changes everything)
Tim Hightower will not be back with the cards. They grew very tired of his fumbling issues.As soon as free agency starts he will have to find a different situation. Thats put Williams in a prime spot. He may beat out wells for the #1. The qb situation will play a role but one thing for sure if that derek anderson will not be back, thank goodness, so the passing game will be much improved. They also picked up a talented pass catching TE so that helps as well. Wells tends to get injured often so even if he is the #2 there will be weeks where he starts.I like him more than Ingram. Let everyone draft Ingram high and let williams fall to you.
Breesisdaman
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Pierre was almost traded to the Pats last season. He is still very tradable once he proves he is healthy. Bush is gone IMO and it may be a while before Ivory is healthy enough to return. If Ingram puts on a RB clinic then it doesnt matter who is still on the team. He will be the man in New Orleans. To Moderated (the forum thread police) sorry but this is totally related to the OP's topic and why Ingram is landing in the best spot. Are there other RB's to discuss? yes but discussing the Saints situation is not off topic and has NOT ruined this thread as it all pertains to the future of the top running back in the 2011 draft.
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