Let's seriously look at some number comparisons for Calvin vs. Roddy. Understand that what I'm looking at here is for PPR scoring and not standard. That seems to be what the Roddy White crowd is defending him for.There seems to be a great deal being made about the fact that Roddy's ridiculous target numbers greatly inflate his stats, value and overall ability. I don't happen to agree with this premise nor do I think it matters. I don't think it matters because there is nothing or at best very little to suggest that White's situation will change in the near future. I've also watched a great deal of White and based on what I see on the field out of him, he is certainly worthy of being placed in the elite category of WRs. None the less, fantasy at the end of the day is measured in points. How many is a guy going to score.Reading through this topic really got me thinking of how influential White's targets were to his fantasy point totals. Particularly in relation to C. Johnson, as that is the main debate going on here. So I went back and broke down some numbers. Here's what I find:Overall targets/Per year Avg:White, 759/126.5 White's last 4 years, 627/156Johnson, 520/130Interesting that Johnson has averaged more targets per season considering the fact that he's also missed 4 games in 4 years and White has missed 0 games in 6 years. Calvin certainly is helped in this area by the fact that he was a far greater component to his offense from the start as a rookie than White. Looking at White over the last 4 years and taking away his 1st 2 seasons makes a drastic impact on White's numbers. He was clearly not a focus until year 3 which is more in line with most young WRs in the NFL.Targets per game:White, 7.91 White's last 4 season, 9.80Johnson, 8.67Johnson again benefits greatly from the fact that he was a major part of the Det. offense from day 1 of his career. Over their respective careers Johnson is easily outpacing White on per game targets. However, once White got his NFL "legs" he's turned in a ridiculous amount of targets and as a matter of fact has increased his per game targets in each of the past 4 seasons by 0.75 or more each time. Pretty remarkable. We may in fact have seen the apex of White's targets and it's unlikely he will continue to grow them at the pace he's been doing so for the past 4 years. Receptions/Receptions per Target:White, 430/0.57 White's last 4 years, 371/0.59Johnson, 270/0.52White holds a pretty distinct advantage here. Despite his 1st years really holding him back, both were bellow 0.5, he still scores more efficient at converting his targets than Johnson. This would lead credence to the PPR crowd that is backing White. It's not simply that White gets a lot of targets, he converts his targets at a better rate than Johnson. He is clearly the go-to option in the Falcon offense and he appears to have developed quite a chemistry with Ryan.Yds/Yds per Target:White, 6078/8.01 White's last 4 years, 5126/8.18Johnson, 4191/8.06This seems like a virtual push to me. Given the reception numbers above it would appear that Johnson is more apt to the big play than White and the yds reflect that. I'm sure just about everyone already knew that if they watch games though. TDs/TDs per Target:White, 37/0.05 White's last 4 years, 34/0.05Johnson, 33/0.06Johnson holds a pretty distinct advantage here. Although the 0.01 difference wouldn't seem to be much you must also consider that White's number doesn't improve at all even if you take away his 1st 2 seasons. You must also consider the fact that Tds score you 6 points in fantasy.Fantasy points/Fantasy points per Target:White, 1259.8/1.66 White's last 4 years, 1087.6/1.73Johnson, 887.1/1.71This is probably what is most important, fantasy points. Again, I'm using a PPR format as that is what the White crowd was defending. Obviously the numbers will be much different and favor Johnson a great deal in standard. I don't think that is what was mainly being discussed though. Over the course of their careers Johnson holds a slight edge. For me however, how small that edge was came as a surprise. White's 1st 2 seasons really were a great deal worse than his last 4. When you consider the past 4 seasons White holds the advantage. Again the margin is small but I think it shows that this debate is far closer in PPR than many want to admit. In the end, none of this matters a great deal as it was all in the past. I'd honestly say that who I would prefer would probably depend on the type of team I felt I had or more than that, how much I like taking risks. If I really wanted to try and win now than I would go with White. I think he is simply a safer pick. His offense is more established, he has elite ability (maybe not as good as Johnson's but still elite), an elite QB to get him the ball, a better track record over the past 4 years and a more stable organization at the moment. If I was feeling like taking more of a risk and really swinging for the fences than I'd go with Johnson. There are simply too many questions still lingering about the Det offense IMO. If Stafford ever stays healthy and on the field I think the sky's the limit for Johnson. That hasn't happened yet though. Is Det really ready to take a step forward? Is the oline capable enough yet? Will the running game be strong enough to sustain more drives? Johnson has a ton of ability but unfortunately when it comes to WRs they are reliant on several other players to maximize that ability.
I think there is a great amount of prior expectations built into his value. That's a pretty bad idea.
I think there is a great amount of prior expectations built into his value. That's a pretty bad idea.
When did I suggest white was falling off a cliff? 
Instead of ingnoring the point by trying to form a new arguement out of thin air, why don't you explain how/how much you value an age advantage between two elite players at similar levels of production.
....it does matter...the question is how much. If you think it doesn't matter at all, you should stick with redraft
I try to win my fantasy leagues.
