So how good were the 2008 Steelers? (1 Viewer)

[Jous]

We all know the SuperBowl itself was amazing and one of the best ever played... but where do the Steelers rank among other SuperBowl champions? A great and memorable team? Middle of the road? One of the weaker teams etc.?

While we're at it, does anyone really think that the Cardinals were one of the worst SuperBowl teams ever? Despite their record, they were a very good team.

 

[Copeman]

Best team ever.

 

[Follows Closely]

Average.

 

[The_Man]

2nd best team in the NFL this year behind the Titans.

Ravens have now cost Jeff Fisher two rings -- one in 2000 and one this year.

I would say they are an average Super Bowl champion. Their defense was fantastic, and Roethlisberger got himself to another level down the stretch this season.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

middle of the road superbowl champ

but the Best D in the NFL this season and they have a clutch QB.

Arizona was no slouch, played great and still lost.

 

[Abraham]

I like the think in a broad sense about if the team would have beaten (or did beat) each of the other "good" teams in that particular season. For example, when the Ravens beat the Giants and the Rams beat the Titans, it was pretty clear when the smoke cleared that the best team from that year had won the Super Bowl. Conversely, the Giants beating the Patriots and the Steelers beating the Seahawks indicated that they had won the Super Bowl (obviously) but weren't necessarily the best team during the season. Winning the SUper Bowl is all that counts in the end, but if we're discussing unproveable theories, I'd say this years Steelers team was good at the right time and they deserved to win the SUper Bowl. But they didn't strike me as a "dominant" team that will be remembered as the face of the 2008 season the way great champions of some past seasons are remembered.

ETA: As another unproveable theory/opinion, I think that if the Titans do something right on one of the 5 "bad" plays against Baltimore, Broadway in Nashville is still covered in confetti.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

15-4 vs. the toughest schedule in the league. Not too shabby. All year long, I felt like no other team's "A" game would beat the Steelers "A" game, and the games they lost were games they didn't play their best. All that is neither here nor there, but I felt all year long like if they played to their potential throughout the playoffs, they'd win the Super Bowl. They didn't quite pull that off, but their "A-/B+" game was still good enough to hoist the Lomabrdi.

 

[Steeler]

I forget where I saw this, but I like the stat that the Steelers had the 2nd toughest schedule of any Super Bowl champion at .525 (IIRC). I agree they weren't a dominant team, but if they didn't turn the ball over too much they won (-15 in their 4 loses). I'd rank them as a slightly above average Super Bowl winner.

 

[Franknbeans]

I forget where I saw this, but I like the stat that the Steelers had the 2nd toughest schedule of any Super Bowl champion at .525 (IIRC). I agree they weren't a dominant team, but if they didn't turn the ball over too much they won (-15 in their 4 loses). I'd rank them as a slightly above average Super Bowl winner.

I saw that, too (PFW maybe) and they were 2nd to the '79 Steelers who were at .527

 

[Ghost Rider]

Good enough to win the Super Bowl.

But, in regards to what you were talking about, I would say, relatively speaking, they were an average Super Bowl champion. Not one of the best, but not one of the worst, either. They'd probably be middle of the pack if you had to objectively rank every champion of the Super Bowl era.

 

[Adebisi]

I'd say the Steelers were middle-of-the-road champions (not a knock; 31 other teams wish they could say that this year), and the Cardinals were fairly weak finalists.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

We all know the SuperBowl itself was amazing and one of the best ever played... but where do the Steelers rank among other SuperBowl champions? A great and memorable team? Middle of the road? One of the weaker teams etc.? While we're at it, does anyone really think that the Cardinals were one of the worst SuperBowl teams ever? Despite their record, they were a very good team.

The general football public remembers offense. When people look back at Super Bowl champs, names like Montana, Young, Rice, Aikman, Irvin, Smith pop up. Being that the Steelers defense was phenomenal and their offense was simply functional, there's no woo factor there. Big Ben is an oaf in the form of Terry Bradshaw that is perfect for the system and simply gets it done, but he doesn't light it up and excite people. The 2008 Steelers are better than they will be given credit for down the line because offense excites people.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Despite sometimes scary O-line play I'd put this Steelers team up against any of the recent SB winners. This team played and won more big games than any Steelers team since the 70s. Yes they lost to Tennessee in week 16 but that was after consecutive wins at NE, vs. DAL, at BAL. All three games were huge at the time. They won 9 of their last 10 games and they beat every hot playoff team:

SD won 5 in a row until losing to the Steelers.

BAL won 7 of 8 (only loss PIT) until losing to the Steelers.

ARZ won 4 in a row until losing to the Steelers.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The general football public remembers offense. When people look back at Super Bowl champs, names like Montana, Young, Rice, Aikman, Irvin, Smith pop up. Being that the Steelers defense was phenomenal and their offense was simply functional, there's no woo factor there. Big Ben is an oaf in the form of Terry Bradshaw that is perfect for the system and simply gets it done, but he doesn't light it up and excite people. The 2008 Steelers are better than they will be given credit for down the line because offense excites people.

I am pretty sure most would rate the '85 Bears near the top of most SB champion lists, and they were all about defense. And if people were gonna rate the champions of the 2000s, the Ravens would probably be top two or three, and the Bucs would be up there, too (two teams who were also all about great defense).

 

[Ghost Rider]

They won 9 of their last 10 games and they beat every hot playoff team:SD won 5 in a row until losing to the Steelers.BAL won 7 of 8 (only loss PIT) until losing to the Steelers.ARZ won 4 in a row until losing to the Steelers.

True, but someone could play devil's advocate and point out that, in the playoffs, the Steelers beat a wild card team quarterbacked by a rookie and two division winners that were 9-7 and 8-8.

 

[Godsbrother]

Big Ben is an oaf in the form of Terry Bradshaw that is perfect for the system and simply gets it done, but he doesn't light it up and excite people.

The guy moves around pretty good for an Oaf and if that last drive doesn't excite people then they're dead.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

They won 9 of their last 10 games and they beat every hot playoff team:SD won 5 in a row until losing to the Steelers.BAL won 7 of 8 (only loss PIT) until losing to the Steelers.ARZ won 4 in a row until losing to the Steelers.

True, but someone could play devil's advocate and point out that, in the playoffs, the Steelers beat a wild card team quarterbacked by a rookie and two division winners that were 9-7 and 8-8.

That is a fair point. I remember walking into the Steelers first playoff game (SD) thinking how amazing it was that TEN, IND, NYG and CAR were already eliminated.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Big Ben is an oaf in the form of Terry Bradshaw that is perfect for the system and simply gets it done, but he doesn't light it up and excite people.

The guy moves around pretty good for an Oaf and if that last drive doesn't excite people then they're dead.

I remember walking into the Steelers first playoff game (SD) thinking how amazing it was that TEN, IND, NYG and CAR were already eliminated.

Yeah, in a sense, you could say that the Steelers survived the postseason tournament, especially when you consider that had already had big games against the Colts, Giants, and Titans in the regular season and lost them all (two of them being at home). They definitely caught a break when all of those upsets happened in the divisional round, but hey, they won the games they were supposed to (all of 'em!), and the other teams didn't, which is why the Steelers are the champs.

 

[FlapJacks]

3rd best team in the AFC

 

[Mr. Mojo]

Despite sometimes scary O-line play I'd put this Steelers team up against any of the recent SB winners. This team played and won more big games than any Steelers team since the 70s. Yes they lost to Tennessee in week 16 but that was after consecutive wins at NE, vs. DAL, at BAL. All three games were huge at the time. They won 9 of their last 10 games and they beat every hot playoff team:SD won 5 in a row until losing to the Steelers.BAL won 7 of 8 (only loss PIT) until losing to the Steelers.ARZ won 4 in a row until losing to the Steelers.

Sounds about right.

 

[apalmer]

They won 9 of their last 10 games and they beat every hot playoff team:SD won 5 in a row until losing to the Steelers.BAL won 7 of 8 (only loss PIT) until losing to the Steelers.ARZ won 4 in a row until losing to the Steelers.

True, but someone could play devil's advocate and point out that, in the playoffs, the Steelers beat a wild card team quarterbacked by a rookie and two division winners that were 9-7 and 8-8.

That is a fair point. I remember walking into the Steelers first playoff game (SD) thinking how amazing it was that TEN, IND, NYG and CAR were already eliminated.

On the other hand, that "wild card team quarterbacked by a rookie" was a wildcard team only because they had the misfortune of playing in Pittsburgh's divisison. Take away their 2 (regular season) losses to the Steelers and they have as good a record as any team in the league.

 

[Ghost Rider]

On the other hand, that "wild card team quarterbacked by a rookie" was a wildcard team only because they had the misfortune of playing in Pittsburgh's divisison.

Yeah, having those four gimmes against Cleveland and Cincinnati was brutal.

 

[Bill Young]

Go to NFL.COM

They have sortable statistics for offense and defense for the regular season and post-season. You can justify your stance by looking at it.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

 

[Tom Servo]

On the other hand, that "wild card team quarterbacked by a rookie" was a wildcard team only because they had the misfortune of playing in Pittsburgh's divisison.

Yeah, having those four gimmes against Cleveland and Cincinnati was brutal.

I'm not that's what he...aw, forget it...

 

[Godsbrother]

On the other hand, that "wild card team quarterbacked by a rookie" was a wildcard team only because they had the misfortune of playing in Pittsburgh's divisison.

Yeah, having those four gimmes against Cleveland and Cincinnati was brutal.

The rest of the schedule was brutal. Every team has their share of gimmes and sometimes these weak teams can bite you. Go ask the Giants about the Browns game...

 

[Ghost Rider]

On the other hand, that "wild card team quarterbacked by a rookie" was a wildcard team only because they had the misfortune of playing in Pittsburgh's divisison.

Yeah, having those four gimmes against Cleveland and Cincinnati was brutal.

The rest of the schedule was brutal. Every team has their share of gimmes and sometimes these weak teams can bite you. Go ask the Giants about the Browns game...

I know. Like I said, I was just playing devil's advocate before. Also, to go back to this:

Ravens have now cost Jeff Fisher two rings -- one in 2000 and one this year.

There is no way of knowing if the Titans would have gone on to win the Super Bowl in either 00 or this past month, so to assume that the Titans and Fisher would have two rings had they beaten the Ravens both times is a bit misguided.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

On the other hand, that "wild card team quarterbacked by a rookie" was a wildcard team only because they had the misfortune of playing in Pittsburgh's divisison.

Yeah, having those four gimmes against Cleveland and Cincinnati was brutal.

The rest of the schedule was brutal. Every team has their share of gimmes and sometimes these weak teams can bite you. Go ask the Giants about the Browns game...

I know. Like I said, I was just playing devil's advocate before. Also, to go back to this:

Ravens have now cost Jeff Fisher two rings -- one in 2000 and one this year.

There is no way of knowing if the Titans would have gone on to win the Super Bowl in either 00 or this past month, so to assume that the Titans and Fisher would have two rings had they beaten the Ravens both times is a bit misguided.

People say that because the Titans beat the Steelers during the regular season, but that means squat. In 2005, the Colts pilloried the Steelers on national TV on MNF and the Steelers came back several weeks later and beat them in Indy to get to the AFCC. Previous results don't mean anything. If the Titans could have mustered more than 10 points against a Baltimore team the Steelers beat 3 times, they'd have had a shot.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

On the other hand, that "wild card team quarterbacked by a rookie" was a wildcard team only because they had the misfortune of playing in Pittsburgh's divisison.

Yeah, having those four gimmes against Cleveland and Cincinnati was brutal.

The rest of the schedule was brutal. Every team has their share of gimmes and sometimes these weak teams can bite you. Go ask the Giants about the Browns game...

I know. Like I said, I was just playing devil's advocate before. Also, to go back to this:

Ravens have now cost Jeff Fisher two rings -- one in 2000 and one this year.

There is no way of knowing if the Titans would have gone on to win the Super Bowl in either 00 or this past month, so to assume that the Titans and Fisher would have two rings had they beaten the Ravens both times is a bit misguided.

I sure wish we could have just handed Pittsburgh the SB berth after they beat Denver comfortably in week 15 of the 1997 season rather than letting the Broncos come back for the AFCC :X

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

Big Ben is an oaf in the form of Terry Bradshaw that is perfect for the system and simply gets it done, but he doesn't light it up and excite people.

The guy moves around pretty good for an Oaf and if that last drive doesn't excite people then they're dead.

Then why didn't he get the MVP?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Big Ben is an oaf in the form of Terry Bradshaw that is perfect for the system and simply gets it done, but he doesn't light it up and excite people.

The guy moves around pretty good for an Oaf and if that last drive doesn't excite people then they're dead.

Then why didn't he get the MVP?

He probably should have in all fairness, but I couldn't argue with Santonio getting it. Great catch to end the game, but I thought he should have scored on the play before when another good pass went through his hands (yes, he had to go way up for it, and it would have been a very good catch, but he timed his jump right and the ball went right between his hands - he should have had it.)If Ward had been healthy and more of a factor, Ben could have spread it around a little more and probably would have gotten it, but Holmes had terrific numbers AND made the clutch grab to end the game, so I guess he nosed Roethlisberger out. Harrison also probably would have gotten a lot of consideration if he hadn't mugged that guy towards the end of the game.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

We all know the SuperBowl itself was amazing and one of the best ever played... but where do the Steelers rank among other SuperBowl champions? A great and memorable team? Middle of the road? One of the weaker teams etc.? While we're at it, does anyone really think that the Cardinals were one of the worst SuperBowl teams ever? Despite their record, they were a very good team.

Steelers were a good team this year.. maybe #2 or 3 in the AFC and #6 overall. A worthy SB team, but nothing special.

 

[fred_1_15301]

3rd best team in the AFC

:X

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Harrison also probably would have gotten a lot of consideration if he hadn't mugged that guy towards the end of the game.

I imagine he would have been a lock were it not for the mugging.In addition to the big game changing INT return, he also dominated Gandy on the end and drew a bunch of holding calls on him.

 

[fred_1_15301]

We all know the SuperBowl itself was amazing and one of the best ever played... but where do the Steelers rank among other SuperBowl champions? A great and memorable team? Middle of the road? One of the weaker teams etc.? While we're at it, does anyone really think that the Cardinals were one of the worst SuperBowl teams ever? Despite their record, they were a very good team.

Steelers were a good team this year.. maybe #2 or 3 in the AFC and #6 overall. A worthy SB team, but nothing special.

You really think the Steelers were the 6th best team overall this year? Seriously?

 

[Sheriff66]

3rd best team in the AFC

Keep dreaming

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

It took incredible play in the final minutes plus, a 14 point swing play before the half for them to overcome a 9 and 7 team that even now has worst book odds of returning to the superbowl than do such underachievers as this years Packers. This was a decent team that more or less pooped itself in the superbowl but for maybe 4 plays. Be happy they won if you are a fan, Lored knows i would savor it were i a fan, but do not become delusional.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

I recall similar threads about the Pats even as they won their 3rd Super Bowl. Teams that are 5th or 6th best in the NFL don't win two Super Bowls in four seasons.

 

[treat88]

Big Ben is an oaf in the form of Terry Bradshaw that is perfect for the system and simply gets it done, but he doesn't light it up and excite people.

He's not the best quarterback to ever play football, but he if the best football player to ever play QB.

 

[Franknbeans]

I contend that the 2nd best team in the league was Baltimore and the Steelers beat them 3 times

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I almost started a thread in week 15 about how nobody deserved to win the Super Bowl this year because there weren't any great teams in the league. There are teams that are great at part of the game, but no real complete all-around great teams. Think of the '90 playoff game between the 49ers and Giants and name one '09 squad that could give either team a contest. Same for the '94 Dallas/SF game and plenty of other great historic match-ups we could name.

The Steelers have been a consistently very good team for a long time and they took advantage of a couple of years when the league offered no truly great teams to face them.

 

[Jous]

I almost started a thread in week 15 about how nobody deserved to win the Super Bowl this year because there weren't any great teams in the league. There are teams that are great at part of the game, but no real complete all-around great teams. Think of the '90 playoff game between the 49ers and Giants and name one '09 squad that could give either team a contest. Same for the '94 Dallas/SF game and plenty of other great historic match-ups we could name. The Steelers have been a consistently very good team for a long time and they took advantage of a couple of years when the league offered no truly great teams to face them.

...? I'm not really sure I can agree with you on this. The Steelers this year CAN be considered a great team because they had one of the better defenses of all time and a big game clutch QB, 2 things that are an automatic formula for great success. In 2005 though there was definitely one of those "truly great teams" out there... the Colts. People were calling the 2005 Colts as one of the best teams of all time before the Steelers bested them.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Previous results don't mean anything.

I sure wish we could have just handed Pittsburgh the SB berth after they beat Denver comfortably in week 15 of the 1997 season rather than letting the Broncos come back for the AFCC

I don't know about you, but I was pretty happy with the way the playoffs went following that season.

Big Ben is an oaf in the form of Terry Bradshaw that is perfect for the system and simply gets it done, but he doesn't light it up and excite people.

The guy moves around pretty good for an Oaf and if that last drive doesn't excite people then they're dead.

Then why didn't he get the MVP?

Oh, so any Super Bowl winning QB who doesn't win the MVP is an oaf? Got it.

I almost started a thread in week 15 about how nobody deserved to win the Super Bowl this year because there weren't any great teams in the league. There are teams that are great at part of the game, but no real complete all-around great teams. Think of the '90 playoff game between the 49ers and Giants and name one '09 squad that could give either team a contest. Same for the '94 Dallas/SF game and plenty of other great historic match-ups we could name. The Steelers have been a consistently very good team for a long time and they took advantage of a couple of years when the league offered no truly great teams to face them.

These are all fair points. If you had to rank every SB champ, none of the teams that have won it over the last few years would be in the top 10, or maybe even top 20. That is what parity has done. It has made it so there is no dominant team or franchise, so it is hard for any team to dominate from week 1 to the Super Bowl (although last year's Patriots came close).Plus, it used to be that those top seeds were great, great teams, and that was when home teams were dominant in the divisional round. They were much better than their opponents, and they were well-rested, so they were difficult to beat. Nowadays, teams get those byes and then lose their first home game. It happened in three games out of four this year. It happened in two games out of four last year. It happened in two games out of four two years ago. 10-15 years ago, you were lucky if one road team would win in the divisional round.

 

[az_prof]

Honestly, the 08 Steelers were nothing special. Sorry. Part of it is that the NFL is gaining so much parity but the truth is that this team did not have a lot of special players IMO.

 

[Adebisi]

I recall similar threads about the Pats even as they won their 3rd Super Bowl. Teams that are 5th or 6th best in the NFL don't win two Super Bowls in four seasons.

The Pats won 3 in 4 years, not 2 in 4 years. Also, Peyton Manning was never injured for an entire season, which would be the closest equivalent to the 2008 Steelers having Brady injured for an entire season.The Steelers are cute and all, but let's keep things in perspective.

 

[Sheriff66]

Honestly, the 08 Steelers were nothing special. Sorry. Part of it is that the NFL is gaining so much parity but the truth is that this team did not have a lot of special players IMO.

Now I know you're a bitter Card fan, but that comment is just dumb.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

Big Ben is an oaf in the form of Terry Bradshaw that is perfect for the system and simply gets it done, but he doesn't light it up and excite people.

The guy moves around pretty good for an Oaf and if that last drive doesn't excite people then they're dead.

Then why didn't he get the MVP?

Oh, so any Super Bowl winning QB who doesn't win the MVP is an oaf? Got it.

I figured I might have to break things down to the least common denominator for a Steelers fan. Big Ben has more Super Bowl rings than he has Pro Bowls. He's a great QB for your system and is highly regarded throughout the league for his clutchness and may even be elite, yet is not regarded that way by many people who are not Steelers fans. If so, don't you think he'd have been given the MVP of the Super Bowl? Everyone knows damn well if it was Brady or Peyton or even Eli they would have gotten it. He would have made the Pro Bowl over Jay Cutler. Take it easy, I gave you praise but like others said, sorry if I'm not going to anoint your team the best ever. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to watch Kerry Collins in the Pro Bowl.

 

[Sheriff66]

Big Ben is an oaf in the form of Terry Bradshaw that is perfect for the system and simply gets it done, but he doesn't light it up and excite people.

The guy moves around pretty good for an Oaf and if that last drive doesn't excite people then they're dead.

Then why didn't he get the MVP?

Oh, so any Super Bowl winning QB who doesn't win the MVP is an oaf? Got it.

I figured I might have to break things down to the least common denominator for a Steelers fan. Big Ben has more Super Bowl rings than he has Pro Bowls. He's a great QB for your system and is highly regarded throughout the league for his clutchness and may even be elite, yet is not regarded that way by many people who are not Steelers fans. If so, don't you think he'd have been given the MVP of the Super Bowl? Everyone knows damn well if it was Brady or Peyton or even Eli they would have gotten it. He would have made the Pro Bowl over Jay Cutler. Take it easy, I gave you praise but like others said, sorry if I'm not going to anoint your team the best ever. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to watch Kerry Collins in the Pro Bowl.

I heard Collinsworth and Simms talking about how Ben should be included when you talk about Manning and Brady on Inside the NFL this week. Go watch Kerry, I'm going to re-watch the Super Bowl and listen to Ben thank his O line

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

Big Ben is an oaf in the form of Terry Bradshaw that is perfect for the system and simply gets it done, but he doesn't light it up and excite people.

The guy moves around pretty good for an Oaf and if that last drive doesn't excite people then they're dead.

Then why didn't he get the MVP?

Oh, so any Super Bowl winning QB who doesn't win the MVP is an oaf? Got it.

I figured I might have to break things down to the least common denominator for a Steelers fan. Big Ben has more Super Bowl rings than he has Pro Bowls. He's a great QB for your system and is highly regarded throughout the league for his clutchness and may even be elite, yet is not regarded that way by many people who are not Steelers fans. If so, don't you think he'd have been given the MVP of the Super Bowl? Everyone knows damn well if it was Brady or Peyton or even Eli they would have gotten it. He would have made the Pro Bowl over Jay Cutler. Take it easy, I gave you praise but like others said, sorry if I'm not going to anoint your team the best ever. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to watch Kerry Collins in the Pro Bowl.

I heard Collinsworth and Simms talking about how Ben should be included when you talk about Manning and Brady on Inside the NFL this week. Go watch Kerry, I'm going to re-watch the Super Bowl and listen to Ben thank his O line

Talking about "should be included" and "is included" are two different animals. People's perceptions are what they are.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Big Ben is an oaf in the form of Terry Bradshaw that is perfect for the system and simply gets it done, but he doesn't light it up and excite people.

The guy moves around pretty good for an Oaf and if that last drive doesn't excite people then they're dead.

Then why didn't he get the MVP?

Oh, so any Super Bowl winning QB who doesn't win the MVP is an oaf? Got it.

I figured I might have to break things down to the least common denominator for a Steelers fan. Big Ben has more Super Bowl rings than he has Pro Bowls. He's a great QB for your system and is highly regarded throughout the league for his clutchness and may even be elite, yet is not regarded that way by many people who are not Steelers fans. If so, don't you think he'd have been given the MVP of the Super Bowl? Everyone knows damn well if it was Brady or Peyton or even Eli they would have gotten it. He would have made the Pro Bowl over Jay Cutler. Take it easy, I gave you praise but like others said, sorry if I'm not going to anoint your team the best ever. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to watch Kerry Collins in the Pro Bowl.

Uh, I am not a Steelers fan. Buy a clue for $500, Alex? Also, at you using the Pro Bowl as a barometer of one's greatness. I guess Kerry Collins and Brett Favre both actually had better seasons than Philip Rivers, right?

 

[Sheriff66]

Big Ben is an oaf in the form of Terry Bradshaw that is perfect for the system and simply gets it done, but he doesn't light it up and excite people.

The guy moves around pretty good for an Oaf and if that last drive doesn't excite people then they're dead.

Then why didn't he get the MVP?

Oh, so any Super Bowl winning QB who doesn't win the MVP is an oaf? Got it.

I figured I might have to break things down to the least common denominator for a Steelers fan. Big Ben has more Super Bowl rings than he has Pro Bowls. He's a great QB for your system and is highly regarded throughout the league for his clutchness and may even be elite, yet is not regarded that way by many people who are not Steelers fans. If so, don't you think he'd have been given the MVP of the Super Bowl? Everyone knows damn well if it was Brady or Peyton or even Eli they would have gotten it. He would have made the Pro Bowl over Jay Cutler. Take it easy, I gave you praise but like others said, sorry if I'm not going to anoint your team the best ever. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to watch Kerry Collins in the Pro Bowl.

I heard Collinsworth and Simms talking about how Ben should be included when you talk about Manning and Brady on Inside the NFL this week. Go watch Kerry, I'm going to re-watch the Super Bowl and listen to Ben thank his O line

Talking about "should be included" and "is included" are two different animals. People's perceptions are what they are.

Clowns fans...keep rooting for your loser team, I'll root for our two time SB champ QB