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So how much $ did the pro-ff'er make? (1 Viewer)

Im not a pro, nor do I play in the WCOFF. However, Im in 12 leagues with the buyin of $1050. I incurred an additional $52 of ancillary fees and approx $75 of bonuses during the season. I made the playoffs in 7 of 12. 3 1st round bye's. 2 1st round losses, 2 2nd round losses, 2 of 3 Super Bowl wins.It looks like I will have lost about $350 this season. This will be my worst season since I had more than 1 league. I attrinute this season to, in this order, Randy Moss, Joe Horn, and Terrel Owens. I did no hedge my bets with Horn which was a horrible mistake. I took him in too many leagues. I also have him on 3 dynasty teams IIRC. I had 1 12 team redraft in which I took Moss, Owens, and Horn with my first 3 picks. I made up with Gates, FTaylor, and TJones. How I made it to the second round of the playoffs is beyond me.My lessons learned? Hedge your bets. While you may be able to get your targetted player in multiple leagues, dont do it in every one of them. While it may payoff, if he busts you will bust. Also, I need to be a bit more conservative if my redrafts as I went non-RB-RB in all of them.

 
While I would hardly call myself a "pro" at this I am up $150 this year. Thats good for a night out I suppose. :banned:

 
Im not a pro, nor do I play in the WCOFF. However, Im in 12 leagues with the buyin of $1050. I incurred an additional $52 of ancillary fees and approx $75 of bonuses during the season. I made the playoffs in 7 of 12. 3 1st round bye's. 2 1st round losses, 2 2nd round losses, 2 of 3 Super Bowl wins.

It looks like I will have lost about $350 this season. This will be my worst season since I had more than 1 league. I attrinute this season to, in this order, Randy Moss, Joe Horn, and Terrel Owens. I did no hedge my bets with Horn which was a horrible mistake. I took him in too many leagues. I also have him on 3 dynasty teams IIRC. I had 1 12 team redraft in which I took Moss, Owens, and Horn with my first 3 picks. I made up with Gates, FTaylor, and TJones. How I made it to the second round of the playoffs is beyond me.

My lessons learned? Hedge your bets. While you may be able to get your targetted player in multiple leagues, dont do it in every one of them. While it may payoff, if he busts you will bust. Also, I need to be a bit more conservative if my redrafts as I went non-RB-RB in all of them.
Great response JAA. Usually you only hear gamblers talk about when they win.I lost more this year than ever before as well. We win some we lose some. Good luck next year.

 
It looks like I will have lost about $350 this season.
Props to a person who comes clean. My expectation for this thead was:a. hearing from people who came out ahead, AND

b. hearing *nothing* from people who came out behind.

Good luck next season. (I don't play for money, just play with friends--I'm in three leagues. Won one, 2nd in another, 4th in another.) So I broke even. :P

 
Can anyone define what a pro-ff'er is? Just wondering if there is such a thing...
I'm going to go on record here and guess it falls into the same category as . . .Jumbo shrimp

Affordable housing

 
<---Not a Proi put up around $300 on FFi came away with $350i am happy with the result and looking to do better next year

 
Can anyone define what a pro-ff'er is? Just wondering if there is such a thing...
Believe it or not, I think there are actually people who do not "work" and sustain their primary income off of fantasy football alone. I think I would define that as a "pro" fantasy footballer.
 
This was my worst year of FF in the last three years.I am in 6 leagues, I made the playoffs in all of them, booted in the 1st in 4 of them. I won only one league, and the payoff from that league will mean I will have lost about 50 bucks this year in league fees. If I win a secondary prize in that league for overall scoring, I will have earned 10 dollars this year. Of course, none of this includes whatever I have to pay in WW fees in one of my leagues.in short, I stood to gain a lot, but ended up losing very little, while playing for money this year.

 
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Can anyone define what a pro-ff'er is? Just wondering if there is such a thing...
Believe it or not, I think there are actually people who do not "work" and sustain their primary income off of fantasy football alone. I think I would define that as a "pro" fantasy footballer.
To his credit wasn't part of his schtick he wrote a book on the subject that had been published so I suppose he made income even if all his teams lost?I was just honestly curious how he did this year. He seemed to think he knew a lot on the subject.... which doesn't mean he didn't.

 
Believe it or not, I think there are actually people who do not "work" and sustain their primary income off of fantasy football alone.  I think I would define that as a "pro" fantasy footballer.
Until proven otherwise I am going to chose to not believe. 4 months a year on ff and 8 months off sounds like a teachers job
 
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In the fantasyvips contest he finished 54th out of 264.

On a side note, the winner of that contest won 1st and 2nd place.

I think he had 3 entries.

 
Not too bad this year with 4 pay leagues. Looks to be up about $10 or $20 at the end of the day. Not a "Pro" by any means, but not losing money is a good sign in itself. :thumbup:

 
I play in 3-4 leagues and haven't had a losing year in 4 years. This year I was in 3 $100 leagues and a free league. I won 1, made the playoffs in the other 3 but got bounced early. Can you guess which I won? Yes, the free one.I will get back $370. So I will still be ahead. Of that $370, $325 is from a league that pays only $150 for the Superbowl, and the rest is for points. If I was only interested in $$$ I would go with a points only league. In three years I have never finished worst that 3rd in points and have always come out ahead. I think any FBG would have similar results in this league. Points leagues are the way to go to minimize the luck factor.I was not happy with my performance this year. I had Alexander/McGahee in two of them, Priest/Larry/DD/Sjax in one and Priest/Larry/McGahee in the other. I attribute my poor performance to McGahee and not being able to pick a WR other than Chad Johnson. I had Bennett and Andre in most every league, with a smattering of Horn and Darrel Jackson. I also sacrificed people in every league and got Leftwich at the midpoint. I thought I was a genius. He was coming on strong and had the best playoff schedule ever assembled. I ended up with Jimmy Smith and Greg Jones multiple time also. I hardly won any games after Lefty went down. It took the wind out of every team.

 
i prided myself on being the only person in the money - ie 1st through 3rd in total points for the last five years, until last year.this year i was in three leagues:the team that i thought was best got crushed in the semi's with holt and cj (week 14) - this was a 50 team league 5 divsions of 10 - $ 100 per head - winner take all and yes, i woulda won the whole thing if i could survived.i lost the superbowl in league # 2 this year this past week - still make $175.00 profitin the superbowl in league 3 - this sunday - stand to make a little coin in this league and on the yearwhat i don't get is how someone could make a living at this. I guess if you did a ton of leagues - just don't see it. if you figure the hourly rate for what i "made" this year - i would have been better off working a minimum wage job at $5.00 an hour!!!

 
Not a pro by any stretch.4 dynasty leagues, $335 total buyin.Three division titles, one bubble finish. Cumulative record 36-16.Decimated by the same injuries and Week 16 sitters like everyone else was. Two championship losses. No titles this year.$385 total winnings.Far cry from last season's three titles and $1200 cash but still in the black for 2005.

 
In the fantasyvips contest he finished 54th out of 264.

On a side note, the winner of that contest won 1st and 2nd place.

I think he had 3 entries.
In the WCOFF he appears to have gone 9-3 and won his league and $5,000. He finished 54th in the playoff bracket and out-of-the-money. $5K ain't going to go far, but I am sure that he averages this with the $180K he won a few years back....Two interesting items of note: (1) In Z-Men's league, the highest point scorer went 4-8 :eek: ; (2) The overall winner of the WCOFF had both LJ and Shaun Alexander.

[i have read his book and think it is pretty good & no I am not a paid endorser for him. I agree that his ego seems a little out of hand - I only read his book because I am a voracious reader, and, believe it or not, it is the only book on FF on the market....]

Edit: It is amazing how quickly this thread got hijacked to "How did you do in FF this year?"

 
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Im not a pro, nor do I play in the WCOFF.  However, Im in 12 leagues with the buyin of $1050.  I incurred an additional $52 of ancillary fees and approx $75 of bonuses during the season.  I made the playoffs in 7 of 12.  3 1st round bye's.  2 1st round losses, 2 2nd round losses, 2 of 3 Super Bowl wins.

It looks like I will have lost about $350 this season.  This will be my worst season since I had more than 1 league.  I attrinute this season to, in this order, Randy Moss, Joe Horn, and Terrel Owens.  I did no hedge my bets with Horn which was a horrible mistake.  I took him in too many leagues.  I also have him on 3 dynasty teams IIRC.  I had 1 12 team redraft in which I took Moss, Owens, and Horn with my first 3 picks.  I made up with Gates, FTaylor, and TJones.  How I made it to the second round of the playoffs is beyond me.

My lessons learned?  Hedge your bets.  While you may be able to get your targetted player in multiple leagues, dont do it in every one of them.  While it may payoff, if he busts you will bust.  Also, I need to be a bit more conservative if my redrafts as I went non-RB-RB in all of them.
I play in 5 $$$ leagues with a total of $450 in entry fees. I made the playoffs in 3 of 5, lost in the 1st rd in 2 of them, and lost in the title game of 1. I won $535 (won pts and $200 in 1 league). I would never gamble thousands of dollars in fantasy football. When it becomes more of a job, that's when I get out.
 
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In the WCOFF he appears to have gone 9-3 and won his league and $5,000. He finished 54th in the playoff bracket and out-of-the-money. $5K ain't going to go far, but I am sure that he averages this with the $180K he won a few years back....
Thanks for the update. Was that $5,000 after the entry fee was taken out(profit) or $5,000 total? Either way it's pretty impressive. He also entered in multiple leagues so he very well may have made out well for the year. Would really be interested in hearing how he did.Thanks for the honest critique of the book. This guy got raked over the coals last summer but it sounds like he has a pretty good reason to sound a little cocky.

 
In the WCOFF he appears to have gone 9-3 and won his league and $5,000.  He finished 54th in the playoff bracket and out-of-the-money.  $5K ain't going to go far, but I am sure that he averages this with the $180K he won a few years back....
Thanks for the update. Was that $5,000 after the entry fee was taken out(profit) or $5,000 total? Either way it's pretty impressive. He also entered in multiple leagues so he very well may have made out well for the year. Would really be interested in hearing how he did.Thanks for the honest critique of the book. This guy got raked over the coals last summer but it sounds like he has a pretty good reason to sound a little cocky.
$5k total so $3.5k net.i will be going pro next year.

pro what i do not know.

 
In the WCOFF he appears to have gone 9-3 and won his league and $5,000. He finished 54th in the playoff bracket and out-of-the-money. $5K ain't going to go far, but I am sure that he averages this with the $180K he won a few years back....
Thanks for the update. Was that $5,000 after the entry fee was taken out(profit) or $5,000 total? Either way it's pretty impressive. He also entered in multiple leagues so he very well may have made out well for the year. Would really be interested in hearing how he did.Thanks for the honest critique of the book. This guy got raked over the coals last summer but it sounds like he has a pretty good reason to sound a little cocky.
$5K payout; so he netted about $3500 after the entry fee. Less if you include the ancillary costs associated with going to Vegas.I think he gets raked over the coals more for his ego than anything else. You gotta respect his skills.

 
in my one $$$ league we play all 17 weeks. Winner take all, if i win this week i'll take home roughly $900 (10 team league * $100 per team - league fees)

 
In the fantasyvips contest he finished 54th out of 264.

On a side note, the winner of that contest won 1st and 2nd place.

I think he had 3 entries.
In the WCOFF he appears to have gone 9-3 and won his league and $5,000. He finished 54th in the playoff bracket and out-of-the-money. $5K ain't going to go far, but I am sure that he averages this with the $180K he won a few years back....Two interesting items of note: (1) In Z-Men's league, the highest point scorer went 4-8 :eek: ; (2) The overall winner of the WCOFF had both LJ and Shaun Alexander.

[i have read his book and think it is pretty good & no I am not a paid endorser for him. I agree that his ego seems a little out of hand - I only read his book because I am a voracious reader, and, believe it or not, it is the only book on FF on the market....]

Edit: It is amazing how quickly this thread got hijacked to "How did you do in FF this year?"
He won 37k in two years in the WCOFF, not 180k, big difference. Another 5k this year, not excellent, but not bad by any means. After the entry fee and expenses, he is probably up about 3k.I entered the WCOFF this year as well, and lost my league championship game by two points 125-127. So, I came out with $1,500, I'm not complaining though, it was my first year, and ended up being in one of the most competitive leauges in the contest. The team that I lost to ended up placing 4th OVERALL, and took home a total of 20k, not too bad at all.

 
$1450 entry WCOFF -------------------- Lost LCG - win $1500 -------------------- NET +$50$1200 entry NFFC ---------------------- Most Pts in League - win $2500 ------- NET +$1300$950 entry Antsports $1000 League -- SB Champ - win $6250 ---------------- NET +$5300$950 entry Antsports $1000 League -- Placed 4th - win $400 (+200 bonus) - NET -$350$460 entry FantasyVIPs ---------------- Out of the money ------------------------ NET -$460Total entry $5010 ----------------------- Total Win $10850 ------------------------- Total NET +$5890I missed out on a lot of potential playoff prize money in WCOFF, NFFC and one of the Antsports leagues, but overall, a fairly succesfull season.

 
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Im not a pro, nor do I play in the WCOFF.  However, Im in 12 leagues with the buyin of $1050.  I incurred an additional $52 of ancillary fees and approx $75 of bonuses during the season.  I made the playoffs in 7 of 12.  3 1st round bye's.  2 1st round losses, 2 2nd round losses, 2 of 3 Super Bowl wins.

It looks like I will have lost about $350 this season.  This will be my worst season since I had more than 1 league.  I attrinute this season to, in this order, Randy Moss, Joe Horn, and Terrel Owens.  I did no hedge my bets with Horn which was a horrible mistake.  I took him in too many leagues.  I also have him on 3 dynasty teams IIRC.  I had 1 12 team redraft in which I took Moss, Owens, and Horn with my first 3 picks.  I made up with Gates, FTaylor, and TJones.  How I made it to the second round of the playoffs is beyond me.

My lessons learned?  Hedge your bets.  While you may be able to get your targetted player in multiple leagues, dont do it in every one of them.  While it may payoff, if he busts you will bust.  Also, I need to be a bit more conservative if my redrafts as I went non-RB-RB in all of them.
I play in 5 $$$ leagues with a total of $450 in entry fees. I made the playoffs in 3 of 5, lost in the 1st rd in 2 of them, and lost in the title game of 1. I won $535 (won pts and $200 in 1 league). I would never gamble thousands of dollars in fantasy football. When it becomes more of a job, that's when I get out.
I find there is not much difference between 12 leagues and 5 leagues. Once you have more than about 3, you know just about every player in the league, news, etc. At that point, its really only about pressing news of the week, waiver pickups, trades, etc. Honestly, I dont feel any difference from 5 to 12 leagues. For me, the most active time is right before the NFL draft, right after the NFL draft, and during training camp/preseason. This is when most trades in dynasty leagues go down.
 
$1450 entry WCOFF -------------------- Lost LCG - win $1500 -------------------- NET +$50

$1200 entry NFFC ---------------------- Most Pts in League - win $2500 ------- NET +$1300

$950 entry Antsports $1000 League -- SB Champ - win $6250 ---------------- NET +$5300

$950 entry Antsports $1000 League -- Placed 4th - win $400 (+200 bonus) - NET -$350

$460 entry FantasyVIPs ---------------- Out of the money ------------------------ NET -$460

Total entry $5010 ----------------------- Total Win $10850 ------------------------- Total NET +$5890

I missed out on a lot of potential playoff prize money in WCOFF, NFFC and one of the Antsports leagues, but overall, a fairly succesfull season.
Are you going to pay taxes on that? I believe anything over $1,199 in gambling winnings you are required to pay taxes on. Or is that not considered gambling? Maybe it skirts the tax laws because of contest status?
 
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2 money leagues both with $150 entry fees, but varying costs for moves and trades.League 1Had best team in league and blew through regular season to 11-2 record. 1st round bye. Lost to waiver pickups and Todd Heap in Semi-Finals. Won consolation game for 3rd place. 3rd place money is a little higher then entry fee so I will probably break even there plus the $50 bonus for most total points (by far).League 2 (Week 17 Super Bowl)Had every WR known to man, and all got hurt. Made the playoffs as a 2 seed and won round 1. Just lost in the semi-finals to the best team by far thanks to his Chicago Bears defense and my LaDanian Tomlinson waste of playoff space. I have a decent shot to win the 3rd place slot which should net me no more then $25 bucks after all costs.So overall, I pretty much broke even. Not very happy about it - especially given what happened in League 1. But I guess it's better then losing money.

 
I don't play ff for the money, but I won about 2300 this year in small money leagues. I finished in the top 4 in all of my money leagues and narrowly missed some free cash from FBG in the Staff vs. Board Survivor league. It was my best statistical year to date, but I've had better money years.I will be raising the ante in '06 by competing in the WCOFF. Not really doing it for the money though, as the payout and format are lousy IMHO.

 
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I'm not a pro, but I have cashed in 8 straight seasons in my local $75 per team 16-team league. Including 3 championships and 2 championship game losses. I've been in the championship game 5 out of 8 years. I'm up well over $2,000 in 8 years.

 
With five leagues I'll be about $900 in total and back out with about $1050 ... so more or less a wash, even with winning 2 of 5 leagues ...One of my leagues dwarfs the others in money combined, so if its about the money its all about that league ...... but its not really about the money. Its about having fun with the game (hobby) I think.

 
Ok, then based on my calculations and the data various have posted here, I have come to the following conclusion:Fantasy Football pays approximately $.07/hour.

 
Ok, then based on my calculations and the data various have posted here, I have come to the following conclusion:

Fantasy Football pays approximately $.07/hour.
Exactly. My wife points this out all the time.
 
Are you going to pay taxes on that? I believe anything over $1,199 in gambling winnings you are required to pay taxes on. Or is that not considered gambling? Maybe it skirts the tax laws because of contest status?
Not sure what EXACTLY you are asking but we are all required to report all our earnings to the IRS, whether from gambling winnings or not.
 
Ok, then based on my calculations and the data various have posted here, I have come to the following conclusion:

Fantasy Football pays approximately $.07/hour.
But isn't that sort of like saying:a. having sex, OR

b. watching football

only pays $.07 per hour?

:D

Ol' Blue Eyes said it best: "Nice work if you can get it, And you can get it if you try."

 
I must have missed the thread back before the season - what book are you referring to? who is this guy?

 
I was in three leagues:$200 buy-in.Finished out of the playoffs in one of them, but was lucky enough (and smart enough to get LJ in both 16-team leagues) to win the other two :yes: Had first round byes in both of them. Prizes of $550 and $425, for a total winnings of $975. Net of $775 after buy-in.Pretty good year for me. The money's nice, but it's really more about the bragging :nerd: :thumbup: Of course, the third team finished 4-7, so apparently I don't know that much about FF :bag:

 
Are you going to pay taxes on that?  I believe anything over $1,199 in gambling winnings you are required to pay taxes on.  Or is that not considered gambling?  Maybe it skirts the tax laws because of contest status?
Not sure what EXACTLY you are asking but we are all required to report all our earnings to the IRS, whether from gambling winnings or not.
I'm pretty sure the $1,199 is correct. At least I know this is correct for most Casino games. You don't have to report jackpot winnings less than $1,200. Just google $1,199, IRS, TAX, GAMBLING. Whether or not this applies to fantasy football as well, I don't know.
 
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Not a pro either...just two leagues total.Redraft league - $150 buy in, maxed out on weekly winner prizes (3 @ $25) and won Super Bowl ($640).Keeper League - $35 buy in, $2.50/waiver pick-up (spent $65 altogether), lost Super Bowl and got the $180 consolation prize.All in all, my best season yet and far and away the most profitable.Oh, and here's the best part.....this is my first season as a paid subscriber to FootballGuys.com. How 'bout that?Thanks FBGs! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

 
I will be raising the ante in '06 by competing in the WCOFF. Not really doing it for the money though, as the payout and format are lousy IMHO.
while this is true, i was surprised how poor the competition really is there.this makes up for that fact.

 
Are you going to pay taxes on that?  I believe anything over $1,199 in gambling winnings you are required to pay taxes on.  Or is that not considered gambling?  Maybe it skirts the tax laws because of contest status?
Not sure what EXACTLY you are asking but we are all required to report all our earnings to the IRS, whether from gambling winnings or not.
Everybody has to pay taxes. Even businessmen, who rob and cheat and steal from people everyday, even they have to pay taxes.
:lmao:
 

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