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So I Guess We Are Back To Assassination Fantasies In The Artistic Community (1 Viewer)

I'd like to agree with @TobiasFunke here. I think the two are independent and one shouldn't be taken as proof of the other. 

I also do not like the rhetoric I've seen over the past sixteen years of my life by both sides.  

My two cents.  

I'm now uncomfortable with having started this thread, but it is what it is.  

 
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"Man, what a horrible tragedy in DC this morning.... Can't wait to run to FBG and post in that assassination thread to score a cheap political point against those evil Libs!  That will surely ease my distress!"

 
Workhorse said:
"Man, what a horrible tragedy in DC this morning.... Can't wait to run to FBG and post in that assassination thread to score a cheap political point against those evil Libs!  That will surely ease my distress!"
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If this is directed at Rock, I totally disagree. He and I do not agree on all things political, but I know him well enough to know that this is not his way.

I take his words as sincere.

 
Man of Constant Sorrow said:
If this is directed at Rock, I totally disagree. He and I do not agree on all things political, but I know him well enough to know that this is not his way.

I take his words as sincere.
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Thanks, MoCS. I didn't take it that way and I think Workhouse was talking about the comments above. 

I specifically came in here to downplay this in any sense. 

What happened this morning is a tragedy and an abomination and neither side should be using it to score points. 

It reminds me of Loughner. There's no blame to go around, only sadness. Like I said in the other thread, this is a time for T&P for families. 

 
rockaction said:
Thanks, MoCS. I didn't take it that way and I think Workhouse was talking about the comments above. 

I specifically came in here to downplay this in any sense. 

What happened this morning is a tragedy and an abomination and neither side should be using it to score points. 

It reminds me of Loughner. There's no blame to go around, only sadness. Like I said in the other thread, this is a time for T&P for families. 
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Correct. I think it's clear who I'm referring to here, and it ain't rockaction.

 
rockaction said:
Thanks, MoCS. I didn't take it that way and I think Workhouse was talking about the comments above. 

I specifically came in here to downplay this in any sense. 

What happened this morning is a tragedy and an abomination and neither side should be using it to score points. 

It reminds me of Loughner. There's no blame to go around, only sadness. Like I said in the other thread, this is a time for T&P for families. 
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Ah...Workhouse, I apologize if I misunderstood your post. :)

The rest...yeah, I understand. I extended my Derby break a little longer than expected largely because so many things had gotten so volatile here lately. Today's tragedy brought  me back.

Thoughts and prayers to all involved.

 
rockaction said:
 As far as punk rock, @Ilov80s, that's neither here nor there, really. Totalitarians can be very punk rock. Nihilism was the operating modus operandi for punk rock when it first started, really, which would praise a superman or ubermensch. You can ask @otb_liferabout this. Punk wasn't always so fuzzy and down with free speech. Punk was often a heckler's veto.        
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re: the bolded

was so immersed in the idea of it, from a nihilistic musical approach.  pored over a few voluminous tomes, gobbled up fanzines, attended countless gigs, started a couple ill-fated bands, yet never saw the 'movement' so simply, yet succinctly, defined.

at it's best, it's a maddeningly brilliant sonic redefining of rock ... at it's worst (and most prevalent), it's a ham-fisted stream of misplaced vitriol.  the endless barrage of monolithic politicizing turned me off - drove me away to the musical hinterlands of Goth and Black Metal.  and i never looked back.  

i can still marvel at the pure power and rawness of it's zenith - once you make allowances for it's ridiculous shortcomings, it's an intensely exhilarating experience in doses. sadly, loons/poseurs/fashion vics hijacked an organic theory, and basically shat on it for some 40 years now.  PUNK died on the Winterland stage in January '78, when Rotten invented the mic drop - a brilliant sendoff, and 'Heckler's Veto' personified. 

"Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" - Goodnight. 

 
Workhorse said:
"Man, what a horrible tragedy in DC this morning.... Can't wait to run to FBG and post in that assassination thread to score a cheap political point against those evil Libs!  That will surely ease my distress!"
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But there was no play when Gabby Gifford got shot!  And Bonus points for him not being Muslim!

 
Let's leave this thread alone. I don't want to delete it out of free (raw) speech reasons, but it seems really stupid in light of what's gone on the past few days. C'mon, don't bump it. It was a weirdly-timed thing.  

 
rockaction said:
Let's leave this thread alone. I don't want to delete it out of free (raw) speech reasons, but it seems really stupid in light of what's gone on the past few days. C'mon, don't bump it. It was a weirdly-timed thing.  
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But people are calling any theater with Shakespeare in the name across the country to complain. You have to let us laugh at that. 

 
Quez said:
There's nothing wrong with Shakespeare, but there is something wrong with making the guy assassinated look like the President.
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You do realize that Julius Caesar is a tragedy, right? And Caesar was not the main character?

Brutus is the tragic hero brought to his demise by his own doing.

 
Lutherman2112 said:
You do realize that Julius Caesar is a tragedy, right? And Caesar was not the main character?

Brutus is the tragic hero brought to his demise by his own doing.
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You do realize making a guy look like our President and assassinating him is extremely poor taste?

 
Quez said:
You do realize making a guy look like our President and assassinating him is extremely poor taste?
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No. 

rockaction said:
Let's leave this thread alone. I don't want to delete it out of free (raw) speech reasons, but it seems really stupid in light of what's gone on the past few days. C'mon, don't bump it. It was a weirdly-timed thing.  
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Just because someone actually tried to kill some politicians shouldn't mean we should stop talking about a play dressing up the guy who gets killed to look like our President. 

 
Quez said:
You do realize making a guy look like our President and assassinating him is extremely poor taste?
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Fwiw I think the same group did the same thing with Obama. And it has been done with other presidents. Shakespeare wrote it metaphorically anyway. I think England at the time posed similar problems of a power vacuum in the wake of Elizabeth I, and Shakespeare included several anachronisms, so it was always questionable whether he was talking about Caesar or the England of his time. So making the play contemporaneous, which has been done before, seems self-defeating because it removes all ambiguity. Otoh it was personally risky for Shakespeare to put on the play at the time because the metaphor to current events was obvious.

 
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Presidents who have been reimagined as Caesar in production in the US: Lincoln, Reagan, Clinton, Bush 43, Obama, and now Trump. Somehow only you Trump supporting lunatics managed to be so offended as to send threats of violence to theaters unaffiliated with the production. 

I guess our days of not taking you guys seriously are certainly coming to a middle. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Fwiw I think the same group did the same thing with Obama. And it has been done with other presidents. Shakespeare wrote it metaphorically anyway. I think England at the time posed similar problems of a power vacuum in the wake of Elizabeth I, and Shakespeare included several anachronisms, so it was always questionable whether he was talking about Caesar or the England of his time. So making the play contemporaneous, which has been done before, seems self-defeating because it removes all ambiguity. 
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We know JC was performed at least by 1599, which is four years before Elizabeth I died. It is true that all Shakespeare's histories were performed in modern (for the time) dress. 

 
Quez said:
I hope this happens every night until this garbage is shut down.
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Interrupting performances, shouting down speakers, etc. is the opposite of free speech.  Stuff like this has no place in a free society.  If you have a problem with this performance, fine, feel free to say so and make your case.  But you don't get to shut other people up. 

 
They stormed the stage at multiple shows, including Sunday evening’s closing performance. They yelled and screamed inside and outside the open-air production — part of the Public Theater’s annual Shakespeare in the Park series — to drown out dialogue they disliked. They threatened violence, sometimes quite graphically.

Some even sent death threats to other productions of Shakespeare and other plays in other parks.
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The justification for these present-day disruptions and threats is that, at least according to (wrong) right-wing media reports, the production advocates assassination of a Trump-like Roman tyrant. But the only people lately threatening political violence in the name of “Julius Caesar” are those who wanted to shut this play down. 
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ironic

 
Several theatres in the US have received threats and complaints after a show in New York depicted the assassination of a Julius Caesar made to look like President Donald Trump.

Messages wished death upon theatre staff at unrelated establishments in an apparent mix-up. It appears complainers did not check which theatre they were angry about.
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Shakespeare & Company shared some of the messages with the BBC. (Some have been edited to remove swearing.) They included:

"Your play depicting the murder of our President is nothing but pure hatred. You are vial [sic] despicable excuses for human beings. I wish you all the worst possible life you could have and hope you all get sick and die."
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"Hope you all who did this play about Trump are the first to die when ISIS COMES TO YOU... scumbags."
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"What exactly were you idiots thinking about producing a play that depicts the killing of our President? Does anyone over there have an ounce of morality, decency, and or common sense? Your organization is a disgrace to the community and to the arts. If you have a problem with the president protest, as is your constitutional right or just vote him out. I will do my best to ensure taxpayers' dollars are not used in the future to fund your disrespect and stupidity!"
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Ditkaless Wonders said:
I go Macbeth, then a tier down Julius Caesar, King Lear, Midsummer's Night Dream, and Othello.  Taming of the Shrew, Romeo and Juliet, you can have those.

Naught's had, all's spent where our desire is got without content

Tis better to be that which we destroy, than by destruction to dwell in doubtful joy.
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Who knew Shakespeare could be so complicated?

* The country is frighteningly polarized. This is why.

Fareed Zakaria, WaPo 6/15/17

 
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Slapdash said:
Savage, but true.  If they really wanted to allude to Trump they could have done a play about Caligula
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:goodposting:

If a mash up, Bannon could play Iago in a similar production of Othello (and Hannity as understudy), with Democracy as Desdemona - *DESDEMOCRACY*.

 
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Slapdash said:
I hear the knives they stabbed Caesar with had been previously used to spread Dijon mustard.  Triste!
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Never go full mustard (or Hannity Lecter, Snoot Dingalingrich, Scooby Doo Seth Rich murder mystery).

 
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TobiasFunke said:
I don't understand why anyone wants this man to die. Impeachment, sure, not not death.  He is going to go down as one of the worst people in the history of the United States, and the more of that he's around for the better the schadenfreude will be. I hope he lives long enough to see his grandchildren have to change their names.
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Right now, he's a really weak President, too. It's almost better these clouds hang over his head for two years instead of getting cleared up because of the damage he might do with some actual mandate power from the people.  

 
Slapdash said:
Ana Navarro‏Verified account @ananavarro 2h2 hours ago

My colleagues & I get this daily. Trump's anti-press/CNN tweets are not funny to me b/c i know there's a lot of angry wack-jobs out there.

https://twitter.com/ananavarro/status/881975636289609728
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Steve Scalise knows all too well about wack-jobs, especially when media outlets amp up the hysteria and the hate filled rhetoric because they're in the tank for one side of the political spectrum.

 
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