Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Swann was known for his great catches/games in the SuperBowl, not for his overall numbers. Should Tyree now make it as well?
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So if Lynn Swan is a HOF, should Tyree be one as well? (1 Viewer)
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Newslang
Footballguy
Tyree is a pro bowler and hes still young, well see if this thrusts him into being something else, if not, no.
The Jerk
Footballguy
Swann did a lot more than just make catches in Super Bowls. I think you are entirely correct that one of the main reasons for his HoF membership is those great catches, but he also was on a team that won four SBs in six years. If the Steelers don't win at least three SBs, I would expect he would not be in the HoF, either.
Swann is a lightning-rod for this questions about the Hall of Fame. There are two ways to look at the Hall of Fame. One is that it is the Hall of Great Statistics (at least for offensive players). The other is that it also should include those players who made a significant impact/change to the game. Swann brought a never-before seen artistry and graceful athleticism to the WR position. We see incredible catches virtually every game now, and certainly every week by multiple WRs. It wasn't always that way. Swann's catches are iconic in SB history and I don't believe any receiver did more to usher in the modern WR era. And you might note that his SB X numbers of 4 catches for 161 yards are slightly more than Tyree's tonight.
For what it's worth, Swann was also one of the best WRs after the catch in his era (and a very good punt returner early in his career).
Swann is a lightning-rod for this questions about the Hall of Fame. There are two ways to look at the Hall of Fame. One is that it is the Hall of Great Statistics (at least for offensive players). The other is that it also should include those players who made a significant impact/change to the game. Swann brought a never-before seen artistry and graceful athleticism to the WR position. We see incredible catches virtually every game now, and certainly every week by multiple WRs. It wasn't always that way. Swann's catches are iconic in SB history and I don't believe any receiver did more to usher in the modern WR era. And you might note that his SB X numbers of 4 catches for 161 yards are slightly more than Tyree's tonight.
For what it's worth, Swann was also one of the best WRs after the catch in his era (and a very good punt returner early in his career).
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
I am not serious about the HOF for Tyree, not even close, but I was just poitning out how weak Swann in the HOF is, in my opinion.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Neither Swann nor Stallworth should be in the HOF.
monessen
Footballguy
This question is too ridiculous to warrant a reply yet I bit and supplied one.
The Steeler haters out there never have an off-season and most are from cities with no Super Bowl victories.
Swann played on a team with so many offensive weapons, unlike some other HOF skill position players, he'd had been a star regardless of who he'd been with. In fact, his stats may have been inflated on some other teams that needed to throw more.
Forget about the Super Bowl catches for a sec. Swann's TD catch during the victory at Oakland in '74 the week after Madden said the Raiders and Dolphins were the 2 best teams in the NFL is one I treasure. It was his rookie year and it was a beauty.
The Steeler haters out there never have an off-season and most are from cities with no Super Bowl victories.
Swann played on a team with so many offensive weapons, unlike some other HOF skill position players, he'd had been a star regardless of who he'd been with. In fact, his stats may have been inflated on some other teams that needed to throw more.
Forget about the Super Bowl catches for a sec. Swann's TD catch during the victory at Oakland in '74 the week after Madden said the Raiders and Dolphins were the 2 best teams in the NFL is one I treasure. It was his rookie year and it was a beauty.
The Jerk
Footballguy
I kind of figured that out, but there's plenty of people posting here who never saw Swann play except for in the highlights. I have no idea how old you are, but I was just trying to give out more information on who Swann really was as a player...Hope that was how it came across!
The Jerk
Footballguy
The other issue here is that Swann's best seasons were early in his career. Four of his nine seasons came before the "Mel Blount Rule" (five yard contact zone) opened up the passing game in the NFL. But as I said in my first point, he's not there for his numbers. And I have no problem with him being described as a borderline HoFer. I just don't think he deserves to be derided, either seriously or in jest...
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The Jerk
Footballguy
One more aspect to Swann's career is that the game has changed so drastically since his pear years that comparing statistics is basically a waste of time. The number of receptions and receiving yards in the modern game is incomparable to the 1970s. For one, it's because there were 14 games and a different set of rules prior to 1978. For another, it's the way the West Coast Offense revolutionized the game.
Terry Bradshaw owns the highest yards per attempt in SB history at 11.1 ypa.
Coming into today's game, Tom Brady's numbers in three SBs was 4.1 ypa.
Passing in the 1970s was all about big plays and long routes; during the past decade, it's become a lot more like an extended running game for many teams.
Terry Bradshaw owns the highest yards per attempt in SB history at 11.1 ypa.
Coming into today's game, Tom Brady's numbers in three SBs was 4.1 ypa.
Passing in the 1970s was all about big plays and long routes; during the past decade, it's become a lot more like an extended running game for many teams.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
I just have a hard time when players like him get in because of the flashiness when some of the best players at their positions aren't in (Guy and McDaniel) because of what position they played.
If he keeps this up, makes a few more pro bowls, makes a few more clutch catches during a few more superbowl wins and gets himself a superbowl MVP in the process, then I think the answer to your question is: Yes.
The Jerk
Footballguy
I see your point. I would agree Swann had "style" and that helped him get in, but I think he's 100 times more deserving than Namath. Swann had a lot of substance too, and that's all I was trying to point out.
monessen
Footballguy
So, you want to bring that up right after the Giants win the Super Bowl over NE? That Guy and McDaniel aren't in? Relax. That isn't Swann's fault. Perhaps those concerns can be addressed with the appropriate HOF committee. Art Monk wasn't flashy but he's in.
nashua55
Footballguy
I saw Lynn Swann play and to me he was a great player. Granted his numbers pale in comparison to the stats that are put up today, but back in the 70's it was a different game. Teams relied on the run not the pass. Rules were different too, back in the 70,s defenses could get away with alot more as oppoSsed today,the nfl rules favor offenses. Lynn Swann was named to the All Decade Team of the 70,s which to me says alot. Too me players like Lynn Swann and Earl Cambell are more deserving to be in the HOF than compilers like Art Monk. Even though Lynn Swanns number are very ordinary he was an extremly gifted player. His only fault was he played during a time when teams ran the ball alot more than they threw it. Comparing Tyree to Swann is a joke. I agree people can argue whether he is a HOFer, but comparing him to Tyree is pretty lame.
Irish
Footballguy
Does Tyree have 4 SuperBowl rings?
nashua55
Footballguy
I agree. It is like comparing baseball statistics in the 1970's and 80's with the 90's and present time. I dont think some people really understand how different the NFL was in the 1970's as compared to today. Lynn Swann was a great player in the era he played in.
Sure... when Tyree wins 3 more Superbowls, a SB MVP, makes 3 All Pro teams, and gets named to the 2000s all-decade team.
Enforcer
Footballguy
Wild guess here... but I'm guessing you aren't old enough to have seen Swann play every week. I understand you've only seen this one play over and over, but just because you weren't watching his career doesn't mean it didn't happen. Also, Swann played in a different era. Thankfully the players that did play in that era are the ones that decide. Perhaps you noticed that Cris Carter's 1000+ receptions didn't get him on his first ballot.
The Jerk
Footballguy
Stallworth was cramping in the second half of SB XIII (after a HUGE first half), and Swann stepped up with a clutch performance.Want to know how much football has changed? Bradshaw's 309 yards in SB XIII (the final game of his ninth season) was the FIRST time he had thrown for at least 300 yards in a game!!!!
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
David Tyree, Hall of Fame?
Tonight, YES!!!
Tonight, YES!!!
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