So the Dolphins do not pick a QB... (1 Viewer)

[Gatorman]

The dolphins went out and didn't get a QB. I think this speaks to the fact that they are likely to go after one of the guys dangling out there to become their starter in 2011 - 2012 most likely by using a 2012 draft pick.

Who do you think it will be?

Vince Young may be the most interesting pick bc of Miami's "run first" attitude, and he likely will be a free agent.

Carson Palmer and the game of chicken they are playing in Cinci may be a nice "older guy" out, but they will still have a QB need in the future.

Flynn and Kolb will cost draft picks, but they are both young and therefore "solve" the need from a draft standpoint.

Any other thoughts here?

I do not think they hitch their wagon to henne, and bc season ticket sales are so slow down here I expect the phins to make big splashes in the FA market.

 

[NeverEnough]

I am not happy that they did not get a QB. I would not mind seeing McNabb or Palmer as a stopgap. I could see Kolb as a QB of the future, but I bet the Eagles would want too much.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I am not happy that they did not get a QB. I would not mind seeing McNabb or Palmer as a stopgap. I could see Kolb as a QB of the future, but I bet the Eagles would want too much.

I doubt htye would go with Mcnabb or Palmer. neither are considerably better than Henne and chad could actually improve, ya know hes only started like 20 some games

 

[moleculo]

I think Orton could be had...he does have some history w/ BMarsh, and he can be a very effective QB, so long as you aren't counting on him to win the game by himself.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I think it shows they like Henne. He has had 1.5 years of starting with very few weapons around him (save marshall and even thne he has just had one year to get used to him.

Henne is fine. It is possible they bring in a backup, but why does everyonejust right off a high draft pick who has had a very brief stint at the helm?

 

[ChuckLiddell]

I think it shows they like Henne. He has had 1.5 years of starting with very few weapons around him (save marshall and even thne he has just had one year to get used to him.

Henne is fine. It is possible they bring in a backup, but why does everyonejust right off a high draft pick who has had a very brief stint at the helm?

If you watched him every week last year than you know why. Poor pocket presence, poor decision making, no touch on short throws, inconsistent on mid-range throws, rarely throws deep, throws some inexcusably bad INTs. He was incredibly frustrating. Every time you started to think he may have turned a corner, he would throw a 5 yard pass 120 MPH and high, hold the ball for a second too long and take a drive-killing sack, or throw a lame duck INT 5 yards behind the WR.That said, the offensive coordinator may have been a part of the problem, and the lack of a running game put him in a lot of 3rd and longs. With a new offensive coordinator, and an improved running game (supposedly), this is a great year to evaluate him. Not such a terrible idea to have someone competent on the roster to turn to in case he falters early. Vince Young is intriguing, but he is such an incredible headcase I dont know if I would want to deal with it.

 

[Mister CIA]

Miami, along with Seattle and Washington have positioned themselves well to tank and make a run at Andrew Luck in 2012. Mix in SF, Oakland and Buffalo and I think we'll get to see some interesting front office efforts this year. Clearly this deflates the value for McNabb, Kolb and Palmer once trading opens back up and I think teams like Arizona and Minnesota will benefit from it ('cause they will want to win this year).

 

[Late225]

Jimmy Clausen? Brady Quinn? I feel like these guys can develop in the right environment.

Palmer (a sunny USC guy) would probably be a great fit. If the Dolphins had a QB, they could be real contenders in the AFC East.

 

[massraider]

I think it shows they like Henne. He has had 1.5 years of starting with very few weapons around him (save marshall and even thne he has just had one year to get used to him.

Henne is fine. It is possible they bring in a backup, but why does everyonejust right off a high draft pick who has had a very brief stint at the helm?

If you watched him every week last year than you know why. Poor pocket presence, poor decision making, no touch on short throws, inconsistent on mid-range throws, rarely throws deep, throws some inexcusably bad INTs. He was incredibly frustrating. Every time you started to think he may have turned a corner, he would throw a 5 yard pass 120 MPH and high, hold the ball for a second too long and take a drive-killing sack, or throw a lame duck INT 5 yards behind the WR.

That said, the offensive coordinator may have been a part of the problem, and the lack of a running game put him in a lot of 3rd and longs. With a new offensive coordinator, and an improved running game (supposedly), this is a great year to evaluate him. Not such a terrible idea to have someone competent on the roster to turn to in case he falters early. Vince Young is intriguing, but he is such an incredible headcase I dont know if I would want to deal with it.

Yeah, I can't remember ever watching an offense and thinking so strongly that the coaching was the biggest problem. Everytime I saw that offense, it seemed disjointed. It was mystifying to see a running game go from 4.4 to 3.7 yards, after adding Brandon Marshall.

 

[RobertBobson]

They should tank and make a play for Luck.

 

[Sabertooth]

It isn't going to be Flynn. Why would Green Bay trade him away?

 

[Blackjacks]

I like Henne

Vince Young + Brandon Marshall =

 

[Cassius]

It isn't going to be Flynn. Why would Green Bay trade him away?

Probably for the same reason any team trades any player.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Henne is fine.

QB's I'd rather have starting for me than Henne: Brees, Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Vick, Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Flacco, Schaub, Stafford, Bradford, Sanchez, Tebow, Orton, Kolb, Freeman, Flynn, Eli, Roethlesberger, Shaun Hill, Cutler, Fitzpatrick, Palmer...So in my mind, he's about the 25th best starter in the league (he does have a nice arm but he sucks.) I might take a flier on one of the rookies too, hell Newton can make plays on his feet, Gabbert will almost certainly make better decisions than Henne, and Locker has more upside.Given then fact that Henne is so low on this list of QB's I'd rather have, and the fact that they play in the AFC East, I think it's safe to say they have no shot to win their division, never mind sniff the wild card. Not with Indy, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, the Jets fielding strong teams every year. Unless he drastically improves, Henne is certainly not going to get you anywhere in the AFC.

 

[=Smackdown=]

I think it shows they like Henne. He has had 1.5 years of starting with very few weapons around him (save marshall and even thne he has just had one year to get used to him.Henne is fine. It is possible they bring in a backup, but why does everyonejust right off a high draft pick who has had a very brief stint at the helm?

Ireland/Sporano will live or die with Henne for one more year. I seriosusly doubt they trade away future picks for anything currently available.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Miami, along with Seattle and Washington have positioned themselves well to tank and make a run at Andrew Luck in 2012. Mix in SF, Oakland and Buffalo and I think we'll get to see some interesting front office efforts this year. Clearly this deflates the value for McNabb, Kolb and Palmer once trading opens back up and I think teams like Arizona and Minnesota will benefit from it ('cause they will want to win this year).

As a Seahawks fan that is my hope. Start Charlie Whitehurst so you see what he has (which is nothing)and please don't trade for Kolb. He sucks.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Miami, along with Seattle and Washington have positioned themselves well to tank and make a run at Andrew Luck in 2012. Mix in SF, Oakland and Buffalo and I think we'll get to see some interesting front office efforts this year. Clearly this deflates the value for McNabb, Kolb and Palmer once trading opens back up and I think teams like Arizona and Minnesota will benefit from it ('cause they will want to win this year).

So let me get this straight...Miami, Seattle, Washington, San Fran, Oakland, Buffalo, Arizona, and Minnesota all need QB's and because ONE team may have the ability to draft Andrew Lucky next season the value for a young QB like Kolb is diminished?8>1

 

[Cassius]

Henne's keeping the seat warm for the next guy, just like Sparano who would've been fired if MIA had gotten their man.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Henne is fine.

Fool's Day was Apr 1st, not May 1st

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It isn't going to be Flynn. Why would Green Bay trade him away?

Green bay won a SB and has their franchise QB for the next 5-10 years, what good is Flynn going to do? You trade him for a decent pick that you can use to add more to your offense or defense. That would be my move if I were a GM. You can draft another QB to groom as a back up. If the market only shows he is worth a 4th or something then yeah I wouldn't trade Flynn for that.

 

[saintfool]

i think they'll bring in someone to compete for the starting gig. maybe a caretaker QB, like hasslebeck, to buy them a year or two.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

If Miami makes a move for Kolb, their draft got a lot better. If they go with Henne, the Phins will get home crowds of 40,000 this year. No one wants to watch this team play. Nothing exciting about 13-10 ball games and their brand of football.

 

[FinHead]

Give Henne another year to develop!

He had no running game, bad offensive play calling, and a tougher schedule last year.

Vince Young??? REALLY???

 

[Todem]

I think it shows they like Henne. He has had 1.5 years of starting with very few weapons around him (save marshall and even thne he has just had one year to get used to him.Henne is fine. It is possible they bring in a backup, but why does everyonejust right off a high draft pick who has had a very brief stint at the helm?

I was a huge backer of Henne. After watching him play last season it is crystal clear that:1) The coaching staff had little confidence in him2) He is not a starting caliber NFL QB as he was very unsure, locked on to one target every play of every game, can't feel pressure at all, has no touch on his throws. He just is not a good QB at this level.He is a bust.The Dolphins are going to grab a veteran the likes of a Marc Bulger or maybe if the price is right (and he wants to play here) a Carson Palmer. If Bulger comes in Henne will have the job to start camp and Bulger will have to beat him out. I think he can as long as the OL can protect him as he is very brittle. Henne is nothing more than a future cut for the Dolphins. Hate to say it but the truth is in the performance. He looks awful out there.Please do not trade for Kevin Kolb. Please.

 

[Todem]

If Miami makes a move for Kolb, their draft got a lot better. If they go with Henne, the Phins will get home crowds of 40,000 this year. No one wants to watch this team play. Nothing exciting about 13-10 ball games and their brand of football.

No...please no Kolb. He is not the answer.

 

[Todem]

Give Henne another year to develop!He had no running game, bad offensive play calling, and a tougher schedule last year.Vince Young??? REALLY???

I would love for you to be right. I would love to eat all kinds of Crow on Henne. He just looked like a guy who does not have the "feel" for the speed and rhthym of an NFL game. He was flat out bad. And he deserves at least 70% of the blame. He could not make a big throw if his life depended on it. He had no concept of looking off a DB....ever. Hope I am wrong. Because he more than likly will be given another chance this season to prove the doubters.

 

[Todem]

i think they'll bring in someone to compete for the starting gig. maybe a caretaker QB, like hasslebeck, to buy them a year or two.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

If Miami makes a move for Kolb, their draft got a lot better. If they go with Henne, the Phins will get home crowds of 40,000 this year. No one wants to watch this team play. Nothing exciting about 13-10 ball games and their brand of football.

No...please no Kolb. He is not the answer.

Neither is Henne, let's try something else. Are Miami fans getting this weak? We already barely have an off season thread, hit n miss fans, can we not all agree that Henne is the stank? Are Miami fans this draftdrunk from the weekend?I'm also starting to think that what worked for Parcells 20 years ago doesn't work so much now. These guys are all Parcells clones...Miami is in the crapper for another 4-5 years as they stand right now.

 

[Todem]

If Miami makes a move for Kolb, their draft got a lot better. If they go with Henne, the Phins will get home crowds of 40,000 this year. No one wants to watch this team play. Nothing exciting about 13-10 ball games and their brand of football.

No...please no Kolb. He is not the answer.

Neither is Henne, let's try something else. Are Miami fans getting this weak? We already barely have an off season thread, hit n miss fans, can we not all agree that Henne is the stank? Are Miami fans this draftdrunk from the weekend?I'm also starting to think that what worked for Parcells 20 years ago doesn't work so much now. These guys are all Parcells clones...Miami is in the crapper for another 4-5 years as they stand right now.

Henne is garbage I agree. A shame too as it is not physical. He can make all the throws, but lacks touch, feel, and the true QB IQ that seperates the elite from the average to below average QB's in the league. He is below average.Now I tend to agree with you on Bill (### wipe) overpaid and what has he been able to do since getting the Jets to the title game way back when. However our team is not in as bad shape as you may think. Like Jimmy Johnson he has left us a nice foundation on defense.Our defense is very young, fast and highly skilled in some key area's. Up the middle, and on the corners. Jared Odrick IMO will be a beast of a player. Wake, Solia, Starks, Dansby, Vonte Davis, Bell...I can go on for a little while. The defense will be very stout IMO.Our OL if Pouncy pans out and Vernon comes back in the best shape of his career is looking strong finally. We picked up Brandon Marshall (yeah I know off-field issues) have Bess and are a QB and TE away from getting into the post season. Getting that QB is the key...just ask SF a team built almost exactly the same as us.Now another wild card is this kid we drafted from KSU and being able to land DeAngelo Williams. If that ends up being our new RBBC.....look out. If we bring in DeAngelo along with a veteran QB like a Palmer, Orton or Hasselbeck I can see a post season run this year. I am talking actually getting a wild card and advancing one round. We have a huge celing with this young and hungary defense we have been building.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

If Miami makes a move for Kolb, their draft got a lot better. If they go with Henne, the Phins will get home crowds of 40,000 this year. No one wants to watch this team play. Nothing exciting about 13-10 ball games and their brand of football.

No...please no Kolb. He is not the answer.

Neither is Henne, let's try something else.Are Miami fans getting this weak? We already barely have an off season thread, hit n miss fans, can we not all agree that Henne is the stank? Are Miami fans this draftdrunk from the weekend?I'm also starting to think that what worked for Parcells 20 years ago doesn't work so much now. These guys are all Parcells clones...Miami is in the crapper for another 4-5 years as they stand right now.

Henne is garbage I agree. A shame too as it is not physical. He can make all the throws, but lacks touch, feel, and the true QB IQ that seperates the elite from the average to below average QB's in the league. He is below average.Now I tend to agree with you on Bill (### wipe) overpaid and what has he been able to do since getting the Jets to the title game way back when. However our team is not in as bad shape as you may think. Liek Jimmy Johnson he has left us a nice foudnation on defense.Our defense is very young, fast and highly skilled in some key area's. Up the middle, and on the corners. Jared Odrick IMO will be a beast of a player. Wake, Solia, Starks, Dansby, Vonte Davis, Bell...I can go on for a little while. The defense will be very stout IMO.Our OL if Pouncy pans out and Vernon comes back in the best shape of his career is looking strong finally. We picked up Brandon Marshall (yeah I know off-field issues) have Bess and are a QB and TE away from getting into the post season. Getting that QB is the key...just ask SF a team built almost exactly the same as us.Now another wild card is this kid we drafted from KSU and being able to land DeAngelo Williams. If that ends up being our new RBBC.....look out. If we bring in DeAngelo along with a veteran QB like a Palmer, Orton or Hasselbeck I can see a post season run this year. I am talking actually getting a wild card and advancing one round. We have a huge celing with this young and hungary defense we have been building.

You and I have different opinions of the defense. Solid perhaps but no playmakers. No guys that inflict fear into opposing QBs as far as I can see. BTW Todem, I wasn't meaning you inparticular.

 

[Todem]

If Miami makes a move for Kolb, their draft got a lot better. If they go with Henne, the Phins will get home crowds of 40,000 this year. No one wants to watch this team play. Nothing exciting about 13-10 ball games and their brand of football.

No...please no Kolb. He is not the answer.

Neither is Henne, let's try something else.Are Miami fans getting this weak? We already barely have an off season thread, hit n miss fans, can we not all agree that Henne is the stank? Are Miami fans this draftdrunk from the weekend?I'm also starting to think that what worked for Parcells 20 years ago doesn't work so much now. These guys are all Parcells clones...Miami is in the crapper for another 4-5 years as they stand right now.

Henne is garbage I agree. A shame too as it is not physical. He can make all the throws, but lacks touch, feel, and the true QB IQ that seperates the elite from the average to below average QB's in the league. He is below average.Now I tend to agree with you on Bill (### wipe) overpaid and what has he been able to do since getting the Jets to the title game way back when. However our team is not in as bad shape as you may think. Liek Jimmy Johnson he has left us a nice foudnation on defense.Our defense is very young, fast and highly skilled in some key area's. Up the middle, and on the corners. Jared Odrick IMO will be a beast of a player. Wake, Solia, Starks, Dansby, Vonte Davis, Bell...I can go on for a little while. The defense will be very stout IMO.Our OL if Pouncy pans out and Vernon comes back in the best shape of his career is looking strong finally. We picked up Brandon Marshall (yeah I know off-field issues) have Bess and are a QB and TE away from getting into the post season. Getting that QB is the key...just ask SF a team built almost exactly the same as us.Now another wild card is this kid we drafted from KSU and being able to land DeAngelo Williams. If that ends up being our new RBBC.....look out. If we bring in DeAngelo along with a veteran QB like a Palmer, Orton or Hasselbeck I can see a post season run this year. I am talking actually getting a wild card and advancing one round. We have a huge celing with this young and hungary defense we have been building.

You and I have different opinions of the defense. Solid perhaps but no playmakers. No guys that inflict fear into opposing QBs as far as I can see. BTW Todem, I wasn't meaning you inparticular.

Wake and I believe Odrick will be those players. And I knew you did not mean me LOL. Let's hope they can make some key pick-ups when the NFL decides to get their act together and kiss and make up.

 

[Desert_Power]

I think it shows they like Henne. He has had 1.5 years of starting with very few weapons around him (save marshall and even thne he has just had one year to get used to him.

Henne is fine. It is possible they bring in a backup, but why does everyonejust right off a high draft pick who has had a very brief stint at the helm?

If you watched him every week last year than you know why. Poor pocket presence, poor decision making, no touch on short throws, inconsistent on mid-range throws, rarely throws deep, throws some inexcusably bad INTs. He was incredibly frustrating. Every time you started to think he may have turned a corner, he would throw a 5 yard pass 120 MPH and high, hold the ball for a second too long and take a drive-killing sack, or throw a lame duck INT 5 yards behind the WR.That said, the offensive coordinator may have been a part of the problem, and the lack of a running game put him in a lot of 3rd and longs. With a new offensive coordinator, and an improved running game (supposedly), this is a great year to evaluate him. Not such a terrible idea to have someone competent on the roster to turn to in case he falters early. Vince Young is intriguing, but he is such an incredible headcase I dont know if I would want to deal with it.

I agree. I thought we had a good draft and picked up some players that are going to help this offense be more dangerous. I have no problem bringing in a vet cheaply(not via trading picks) to compete with Henne and see what Henne can actually do if the coaching and supporting cast improves. I feel our defense has some strong foundations and, particularly with a healthy Odrick and Merling, will progress even more this year.

 

[Todem]

I think it shows they like Henne. He has had 1.5 years of starting with very few weapons around him (save marshall and even thne he has just had one year to get used to him.

Henne is fine. It is possible they bring in a backup, but why does everyonejust right off a high draft pick who has had a very brief stint at the helm?

If you watched him every week last year than you know why. Poor pocket presence, poor decision making, no touch on short throws, inconsistent on mid-range throws, rarely throws deep, throws some inexcusably bad INTs. He was incredibly frustrating. Every time you started to think he may have turned a corner, he would throw a 5 yard pass 120 MPH and high, hold the ball for a second too long and take a drive-killing sack, or throw a lame duck INT 5 yards behind the WR.That said, the offensive coordinator may have been a part of the problem, and the lack of a running game put him in a lot of 3rd and longs. With a new offensive coordinator, and an improved running game (supposedly), this is a great year to evaluate him. Not such a terrible idea to have someone competent on the roster to turn to in case he falters early. Vince Young is intriguing, but he is such an incredible headcase I dont know if I would want to deal with it.

I agree. I thought we had a good draft and picked up some players that are going to help this offense be more dangerous. I have no problem bringing in a vet cheaply(not via trading picks) to compete with Henne and see what Henne can actually do if the coaching and supporting cast improves. I feel our defense has some strong foundations and, particularly with a healthy Odrick and Merling, will progress even more this year.

I will be shocked if that basket case makes the team. And if there are Dolphin fans still holding on to hope about Henne.....let it go. You won't get so pissed when he fails again.

Again would love to be wrong. Lord knows we have been waiting for a QB since 2000.

 

[Desert_Power]

I think it shows they like Henne. He has had 1.5 years of starting with very few weapons around him (save marshall and even thne he has just had one year to get used to him.

Henne is fine. It is possible they bring in a backup, but why does everyonejust right off a high draft pick who has had a very brief stint at the helm?

If you watched him every week last year than you know why. Poor pocket presence, poor decision making, no touch on short throws, inconsistent on mid-range throws, rarely throws deep, throws some inexcusably bad INTs. He was incredibly frustrating. Every time you started to think he may have turned a corner, he would throw a 5 yard pass 120 MPH and high, hold the ball for a second too long and take a drive-killing sack, or throw a lame duck INT 5 yards behind the WR.That said, the offensive coordinator may have been a part of the problem, and the lack of a running game put him in a lot of 3rd and longs. With a new offensive coordinator, and an improved running game (supposedly), this is a great year to evaluate him. Not such a terrible idea to have someone competent on the roster to turn to in case he falters early. Vince Young is intriguing, but he is such an incredible headcase I dont know if I would want to deal with it.

I agree. I thought we had a good draft and picked up some players that are going to help this offense be more dangerous. I have no problem bringing in a vet cheaply(not via trading picks) to compete with Henne and see what Henne can actually do if the coaching and supporting cast improves. I feel our defense has some strong foundations and, particularly with a healthy Odrick and Merling, will progress even more this year.

I will be shocked if that basket case makes the team. And if there are Dolphin fans still holding on to hope about Henne.....let it go. You won't get so pissed when he fails again.

Again would love to be wrong. Lord knows we have been waiting for a QB since 2000.

Why? I have not heard much on him since the injury. Weren't his charges dismissed?

Sorry to let a little cautious optimism get in the way of the Henne haters.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I think it shows they like Henne. He has had 1.5 years of starting with very few weapons around him (save marshall and even thne he has just had one year to get used to him.

Henne is fine. It is possible they bring in a backup, but why does everyonejust right off a high draft pick who has had a very brief stint at the helm?

If you watched him every week last year than you know why. Poor pocket presence, poor decision making, no touch on short throws, inconsistent on mid-range throws, rarely throws deep, throws some inexcusably bad INTs. He was incredibly frustrating. Every time you started to think he may have turned a corner, he would throw a 5 yard pass 120 MPH and high, hold the ball for a second too long and take a drive-killing sack, or throw a lame duck INT 5 yards behind the WR.That said, the offensive coordinator may have been a part of the problem, and the lack of a running game put him in a lot of 3rd and longs. With a new offensive coordinator, and an improved running game (supposedly), this is a great year to evaluate him. Not such a terrible idea to have someone competent on the roster to turn to in case he falters early. Vince Young is intriguing, but he is such an incredible headcase I dont know if I would want to deal with it.

I can't blame this on an OC. What Henne does with the ball coming out of his hands is on Henne. Running a predictable offense could lower Henne's completion percentage or limit his YPA. But inaccuracy, lack of touch, poor judgment, etc. belongs to Henne.That said, he is still a young guy. He has moments where he looks like he's coming around. It could be that the staff if willing to be patient and give him 2011 to either develop some consistency or convince them that he won't.

 

[Todem]

I think it shows they like Henne. He has had 1.5 years of starting with very few weapons around him (save marshall and even thne he has just had one year to get used to him.

Henne is fine. It is possible they bring in a backup, but why does everyonejust right off a high draft pick who has had a very brief stint at the helm?

If you watched him every week last year than you know why. Poor pocket presence, poor decision making, no touch on short throws, inconsistent on mid-range throws, rarely throws deep, throws some inexcusably bad INTs. He was incredibly frustrating. Every time you started to think he may have turned a corner, he would throw a 5 yard pass 120 MPH and high, hold the ball for a second too long and take a drive-killing sack, or throw a lame duck INT 5 yards behind the WR.That said, the offensive coordinator may have been a part of the problem, and the lack of a running game put him in a lot of 3rd and longs. With a new offensive coordinator, and an improved running game (supposedly), this is a great year to evaluate him. Not such a terrible idea to have someone competent on the roster to turn to in case he falters early. Vince Young is intriguing, but he is such an incredible headcase I dont know if I would want to deal with it.

I agree. I thought we had a good draft and picked up some players that are going to help this offense be more dangerous. I have no problem bringing in a vet cheaply(not via trading picks) to compete with Henne and see what Henne can actually do if the coaching and supporting cast improves. I feel our defense has some strong foundations and, particularly with a healthy Odrick and Merling, will progress even more this year.

I will be shocked if that basket case makes the team. And if there are Dolphin fans still holding on to hope about Henne.....let it go. You won't get so pissed when he fails again.

Again would love to be wrong. Lord knows we have been waiting for a QB since 2000.

Why? I have not heard much on him since the injury. Weren't his charges dismissed?

Sorry to let a little cautious optimism get in the way of the Henne haters.

He has been a huge under acheiver ever since he got here. Lazy work ethic, his motor is on and off (takes plays off), off the field issue (which may have been resolved but still not good when you are going to have to fight to just make the team).

As far as Henne Hater....I am just facing the sad reality. I had such high hopes for him (highest hopes I had ever had post Marino) as he was the first guy other than Daunte Culpepper that I felt had a shot to be "the guy" for us. His 2009 season was a nice stepping stone, but last year he was just so bad. I saw nothing to offer any glimpe of hope that he will be this teams franchise QB. I would not waste anymore time. If we can get in a solid veteran to at least run the teams offense with some semblence of compentency I will be much more hopeful we can compete. We have a lot of great pieces in place, hopefully this off-season we can add a high profile RB in Williams to really give us a homerun threat from the RB spot (something we have not had since Ricky Cira 2002), continue to get the OL in order, focus on getting Marshall over 90 receptions and looking for him in the red zone, the continued development of Bess and Hartline, and hopefully we develop another TE as Fasano was a huge disapointment last season as well.

We have hope. Just not with Henne at the helm.

 

[JFurby]

I can't blame this on an OC. What Henne does with the ball coming out of his hands is on Henne. Running a predictable offense could lower Henne's completion percentage or limit his YPA. But inaccuracy, lack of touch, poor judgment, etc. belongs to Henne.That said, he is still a young guy. He has moments where he looks like he's coming around. It could be that the staff if willing to be patient and give him 2011 to either develop some consistency or convince them that he won't.

Consider this little excerpt following the Dolphins game against the Titans this year...

Right after the Miami Dolphins broke the huddle and got into their offensive formation Cortland Finnegan would look Brandon Marshall right in the eye and tell him the exact route he was running.Finnegan, Tennessee’s starting cornerback, admitted he wasn’t right all the time, but he guessed he was on the mark about 80 percent of the Dolphins’ offensive snaps.“You shouldn’t be able to do that, but I’ve watched every single game Miami’s played this year and the formation doesn’t lie. Formations tell a lot,” Finnegan said. "He didn’t like that. Much respect."

Marshall confirmed that Finnegan was right about 80% of the time and extremely frustrated with the situation. The entire offense was chastised by Dan Henning's horribly predictable play-calling. If you put a hall of fame caliber QB in the same situation, he probably could exploit the 20% incorrect guesses enough to pull out more wins than Henne did, but I'm not sure that Palmer, Kolb, Orton, or other viable replacements could do much better than Henne.I'm not a pro-Henne guy or an anti-Henne guy yet. What I find frustrating is that I don't have a good basis to assess him after 1.5 years of starting because of the inadequate weapons and terrible play-calling for most of that period. He could well be on his way to a Joey Harrington type career or nearing a Bree's like awakening.Unless a guy starts his career off like Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell, 1.5 years is not enough to cut the cord. I support bringing in some competition but don't support writing Henne off completely, calling him a bust, and hitting the 3 year reset button yet again in our search for a franchise QB.

 

[higgins]

Is Henning still the OC?

 

[JFurby]

Is Henning still the OC?

He "retired" and was replaced by Brian Daboll after the end of the season. I really hope the coaches were smart enough to get playbooks in player hands during the brief lifting of the lockout last Friday so Henne and others can start to memorize the new plays.

 

[Gatorman]

good feedback, and I happen to like henne and think he has the "tools" to be a decent QB, I just think that Miami fans are fed up with "same ol same ol" and the new owner is trying to sell tickets. This draft + Sporano + Henne does not equal ticket sales. I am a season ticket holder...actually, I was a season ticket holder, but after 9 years of this crap I am done. I'd like to see a QB with potential come in and take the reigns and win some games for us, or if not, get a guy who will at least make it interesting to go to the games. Lost in the 7-9 from last year was the 1-7 home record. Who wants to pay to watch turd steaming in the heat?

Miami fans got what they deserved when they ran shula and marino out of town as if they were the problem... (Not me, but people used to blame shula and marino for the dolphins not winning a superbowl)...

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

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<br />Give Henne another year to develop!<br />He had no running game, bad offensive play calling, and a tougher schedule last year.<br /><br />Vince Young??? REALLY???  <img src='http://static.footballguys.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/confused1.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' /><br />

<br /><br /><br />I would love for you to be right. I would love to eat all kinds of Crow on Henne. He just looked like a guy who does not have the "feel" for the speed and rhthym of an NFL game. He was flat out bad. And he deserves at least 70% of the blame. He could not make a big throw if his life depended on it. He had no concept of looking off a DB....ever. <br /><br />Hope I am wrong. Because he more than likly will be given another chance this season to prove the doubters.<br />

<br /><br /><br /> at the phins fans in here. Get off the ledge. Hilarious that guys that would never see the field in the past at this point in their careers are 'busts'. You know the skills you describe can be learned (and are supposed to be taught by 'coaches'). Maybe, just maybe, the young mediocre OL and non existent running game had something to do with a lot of the 'deficiencies you describe.

Ya'll ought check out the kind of years future HOF's like aikman and manning had when starting out.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

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<br />If Miami makes a move for Kolb, their draft got a lot better.  If they go with Henne, the Phins will get home crowds of 40,000 this year.  No one wants to watch this team play.  Nothing exciting about 13-10 ball games and their brand of football.<br />

<br /><br /><br />No...please no Kolb. He is not the answer.<br />

<br /><br />Neither is Henne, let's try something else.<br /> <br /><br />Are Miami fans getting this weak?  We already barely have an off season thread, hit n miss fans, can we not all agree that Henne is the stank? Are Miami fans this draftdrunk from the weekend?<br /><br />I'm also starting to think that what worked for Parcells 20 years ago doesn't work so much now.  These guys are all Parcells clones...Miami is in the crapper for another 4-5 years as they stand right now.<br />

<br /><br /><br />Hmmm MOP has always been known for his ability to evaluate situations in a patience and collected manner. Maybe you guys are right...

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

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<br />I can't blame this on an OC.  What Henne does with the ball coming out of his hands is on Henne.  Running a predictable offense could lower Henne's completion percentage or limit his YPA.  But inaccuracy, lack of touch, poor judgment, etc. belongs to Henne.<br /><br />That said, he is still a young guy.  He has moments where he looks like he's coming around.  It could be that the staff if willing to be patient and give him 2011 to either develop some consistency or convince them that he won't.<br />

<br /><br />Consider this little excerpt following the Dolphins game against the Titans this year...<br /><br />

Right after the Miami Dolphins broke the huddle and got into their offensive formation Cortland Finnegan would look Brandon Marshall right in the eye and tell him the exact route he was running.<br /><br />Finnegan, Tennessee's starting cornerback, admitted he wasn't right all the time, but he guessed he was on the mark about 80 percent of the Dolphins' offensive snaps.<br /><br />"You shouldn't be able to do that, but I've watched every single game Miami's played this year and the formation doesn't lie. Formations tell a lot," Finnegan said. "He didn't like that. Much respect."

<br /><br />Marshall confirmed that Finnegan was right about 80% of the time and extremely frustrated with the situation. The entire offense was chastised by Dan Henning's horribly predictable play-calling. If you put a hall of fame caliber QB in the same situation, he probably could exploit the 20% incorrect guesses enough to pull out more wins than Henne did, but I'm not sure that Palmer, Kolb, Orton, or other viable replacements could do much better than Henne.<br /><br />I'm not a pro-Henne guy or an anti-Henne guy yet. What I find frustrating is that I don't have a good basis to assess him after 1.5 years of starting because of the inadequate weapons and terrible play-calling for most of that period. He could well be on his way to a Joey Harrington type career or nearing a Bree's like awakening.<br /><br />Unless a guy starts his career off like Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell, 1.5 years is not enough to cut the cord. I support bringing in some competition but don't support writing Henne off completely, calling him a bust, and hitting the 3 year reset button yet again in our search for a franchise QB.<br />

<br /><br /><br />I'm not saying Henne is for sure the answer. But I bet if you swapped Henne and Flacco say after the draft, their futures wouldn't look that much different. As a good coach/OC, good defense and good running game OL all make a world of difference in how QB performs.

 

[Desert_Power]

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<br />Give Henne another year to develop!<br />He had no running game, bad offensive play calling, and a tougher schedule last year.<br /><br />Vince Young??? REALLY???  <img src='http://static.footballguys.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/confused1.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' /><br />

<br /><br /><br />I would love for you to be right. I would love to eat all kinds of Crow on Henne. He just looked like a guy who does not have the "feel" for the speed and rhthym of an NFL game. He was flat out bad. And he deserves at least 70% of the blame. He could not make a big throw if his life depended on it. He had no concept of looking off a DB....ever. <br /><br />Hope I am wrong. Because he more than likly will be given another chance this season to prove the doubters.<br />

<br /><br /><br /> at the phins fans in here. Get off the ledge. Hilarious that guys that would never see the field in the past at this point in their careers are 'busts'. You know the skills you describe can be learned (and are supposed to be taught by 'coaches'). Maybe, just maybe, the young mediocre OL and non existent running game had something to do with a lot of the 'deficiencies you describe.

Ya'll ought check out the kind of years future HOF's like aikman and manning had when starting out.

Every Dolphins thread around here tend to devolve into this type of attitude with regard to the QB and franchise in general. I think it may help to explain why few fans seem interested in discussing the team here.

 

[Rockchild]

I don't necessarily have a problem not drafting a QB but what bothers me is that we just don't seem to have any kind of direction. It all seems so piecemeal. I was initially excited when Parcells came in and thought he would start building and have a short term and long term plan but he bailed and we've been spinning our wheels for the last few years. The whole Wildcat thing, while somewhat successful, put the team behind in terms of growth and direction. What are we? A power running team? A Westcoast offense team? What? Give us something even a total rebuild at this point would at least give something to hope for,lol. They have to bring in someone to backup Henne if he's the guy going forward(and it does seem that way) that can come in and give the team something steady if unspectacular.

 

[Todem]

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<br />Give Henne another year to develop!<br />He had no running game, bad offensive play calling, and a tougher schedule last year.<br /><br />Vince Young??? REALLY???  <img src='http://static.footballguys.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/confused1.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' /><br />

<br /><br /><br />I would love for you to be right. I would love to eat all kinds of Crow on Henne. He just looked like a guy who does not have the "feel" for the speed and rhthym of an NFL game. He was flat out bad. And he deserves at least 70% of the blame. He could not make a big throw if his life depended on it. He had no concept of looking off a DB....ever. <br /><br />Hope I am wrong. Because he more than likly will be given another chance this season to prove the doubters.<br />

<br /><br /><br /> at the phins fans in here. Get off the ledge. Hilarious that guys that would never see the field in the past at this point in their careers are 'busts'. You know the skills you describe can be learned (and are supposed to be taught by 'coaches'). Maybe, just maybe, the young mediocre OL and non existent running game had something to do with a lot of the 'deficiencies you describe.

Ya'll ought check out the kind of years future HOF's like aikman and manning had when starting out.

Dude,

Been watching football for 35 years. When you watched Aikman and Manning you could easily see they had "it".

Henne does not have "it".

He is a bust.

Our OL was bad, our running game was not great either.....but Henne could not make a play if his life depended on it. Huge difference in talent when you compare a guy like Henne to Manning and Aikman.....seriously.

I remember when Dan Marino had awful teams....just awful. He alone was good for 6-7 wins. Henne is a back-up QB.

And you know what.....Manning hit the field day one. Aikman day one. Marino...rookie season he took over. Bledsoe, day one. Hell even recent QB's like Matt Ryan, Ben Rothlisberger...it was so evident they had the leadership, command of the huddle, the ability to look off DB's. That's what coaches are for? That is football 101. Coaches at this level are sharpening the saw not inventing the wheel. these kids coming in are expected to be NFL ready...right now. To be able to get on the field and execute day one. Yes they have to learn to adjust to the speed of the pro game and their is an adjustment period....but the great ones develop rapidly for the most part. Henne has failed in adapting to the pro game....it happens to many guys that try to play QB who were once great at other levels.

Shall I keep going?

Franchise QB's are tough to find.

So you think Henne is a franchise QB? Do you really?

I am off the ledge in fact I was never on it. I don't get so emotional about sports like I did 20 years ago when I was a young lad.

I have plenty of patience but not for I guy who I know in my heart of hearts will not be the answer.

I can almost assure you if you threw Henne on a team like the Saints or Packers he would flounder. He is not an NFL starting caliber player. We have seen enough to gauge that.

Would he have benefited from sitting behind a guy like Pennington for 2-3 years....sure of course. But Chad got hurt and Henne looked pretty good and showed promise. Henne showed last year as the guy he was not ready....hard to see if he ever will be the way he looked.

It is easy to blame a bad OL, lack of a running game....but there are guys in this league that can take over games because of how good they are. That is the type of QB I hope we can get again one day. Henne showed absolutely nothing last year......NOTHING!!!

We (Dolphins fans) were able to witness one of the all time greats for 17 years. So we know what a good QB looks like. Henne is far I mean far from ever coming remotely close to what Marino or many other greats have done, When Steve Ross came out last season and said Henne can be better than Marino I knew this franchise was really in trouble. We have a business man trying to sell us his football team. He has no clue. I almost fell out of my chair a I read that and said "did he really just say that?"

 

[Todem]

I don't necessarily have a problem not drafting a QB but what bothers me is that we just don't seem to have any kind of direction. It all seems so piecemeal. I was initially excited when Parcells came in and thought he would start building and have a short term and long term plan but he bailed and we've been spinning our wheels for the last few years. The whole Wildcat thing, while somewhat successful, put the team behind in terms of growth and direction. What are we? A power running team? A Westcoast offense team? What? Give us something even a total rebuild at this point would at least give something to hope for,lol. They have to bring in someone to backup Henne if he's the guy going forward(and it does seem that way) that can come in and give the team something steady if unspectacular.

If Henne is indeed our guy this upcoming season there is hope to get Luck next year.Henne is dreadful.Please prove me wrong.Signed 35 year Dolphin fan.

 

[Joe Summer]

Cincinnati will cut off their nose to spite Carson Palmer's face. They won't give him up unless another team overpays for him.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

If Miami makes a move for Kolb, their draft got a lot better. If they go with Henne, the Phins will get home crowds of 40,000 this year. No one wants to watch this team play. Nothing exciting about 13-10 ball games and their brand of football.

No...please no Kolb. He is not the answer.

Neither is Henne, let's try something else.Are Miami fans getting this weak? We already barely have an off season thread, hit n miss fans, can we not all agree that Henne is the stank? Are Miami fans this draftdrunk from the weekend?I'm also starting to think that what worked for Parcells 20 years ago doesn't work so much now. These guys are all Parcells clones...Miami is in the crapper for another 4-5 years as they stand right now.

Henne is garbage I agree. A shame too as it is not physical. He can make all the throws, but lacks touch, feel, and the true QB IQ that seperates the elite from the average to below average QB's in the league. He is below average.Now I tend to agree with you on Bill (### wipe) overpaid and what has he been able to do since getting the Jets to the title game way back when. However our team is not in as bad shape as you may think. Liek Jimmy Johnson he has left us a nice foudnation on defense.Our defense is very young, fast and highly skilled in some key area's. Up the middle, and on the corners. Jared Odrick IMO will be a beast of a player. Wake, Solia, Starks, Dansby, Vonte Davis, Bell...I can go on for a little while. The defense will be very stout IMO.Our OL if Pouncy pans out and Vernon comes back in the best shape of his career is looking strong finally. We picked up Brandon Marshall (yeah I know off-field issues) have Bess and are a QB and TE away from getting into the post season. Getting that QB is the key...just ask SF a team built almost exactly the same as us.Now another wild card is this kid we drafted from KSU and being able to land DeAngelo Williams. If that ends up being our new RBBC.....look out. If we bring in DeAngelo along with a veteran QB like a Palmer, Orton or Hasselbeck I can see a post season run this year. I am talking actually getting a wild card and advancing one round. We have a huge celing with this young and hungary defense we have been building.

You and I have different opinions of the defense. Solid perhaps but no playmakers. No guys that inflict fear into opposing QBs as far as I can see. BTW Todem, I wasn't meaning you inparticular.

Cameron Wake?

 

[FUBAR]

Henne is fine.

QB's I'd rather have starting for me than Henne: Brees, Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Vick, Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Flacco, Schaub, Stafford, Bradford, Sanchez, Tebow, Orton, Kolb, Freeman, Flynn, Eli, Roethlesberger, Shaun Hill, Cutler, Fitzpatrick, Palmer...So in my mind, he's about the 25th best starter in the league (he does have a nice arm but he sucks.) I might take a flier on one of the rookies too, hell Newton can make plays on his feet, Gabbert will almost certainly make better decisions than Henne, and Locker has more upside.Given then fact that Henne is so low on this list of QB's I'd rather have, and the fact that they play in the AFC East, I think it's safe to say they have no shot to win their division, never mind sniff the wild card. Not with Indy, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, the Jets fielding strong teams every year. Unless he drastically improves, Henne is certainly not going to get you anywhere in the AFC.

If he's in the top 32, he's starting caliber. I agree that they should look to improve, but this wasn't the year for them to spend a lot to move up and Mallett wasn't worth taking in the first two rounds with his character (although I do like the kid's talent). I'm not a phin-phan, but I'd accept starting him this year, maybe he'll get better. and expect to take one of the QBs next year.