So the Dolphins do not pick a QB... (1 Viewer)

[identikit]

If Miami makes a move for Kolb, their draft got a lot better. If they go with Henne, the Phins will get home crowds of 40,000 this year. No one wants to watch this team play. Nothing exciting about 13-10 ball games and their brand of football.

No...please no Kolb. He is not the answer.

Neither is Henne, let's try something else.Are Miami fans getting this weak? We already barely have an off season thread, hit n miss fans, can we not all agree that Henne is the stank? Are Miami fans this draftdrunk from the weekend?

I'm also starting to think that what worked for Parcells 20 years ago doesn't work so much now. These guys are all Parcells clones...Miami is in the crapper for another 4-5 years as they stand right now.

Henne is garbage I agree. A shame too as it is not physical. He can make all the throws, but lacks touch, feel, and the true QB IQ that seperates the elite from the average to below average QB's in the league. He is below average.

Now I tend to agree with you on Bill (### wipe) overpaid and what has he been able to do since getting the Jets to the title game way back when. However our team is not in as bad shape as you may think. Liek Jimmy Johnson he has left us a nice foudnation on defense.

Our defense is very young, fast and highly skilled in some key area's. Up the middle, and on the corners. Jared Odrick IMO will be a beast of a player. Wake, Solia, Starks, Dansby, Vonte Davis, Bell...I can go on for a little while. The defense will be very stout IMO.

Our OL if Pouncy pans out and Vernon comes back in the best shape of his career is looking strong finally. We picked up Brandon Marshall (yeah I know off-field issues) have Bess and are a QB and TE away from getting into the post season.

Getting that QB is the key...just ask SF a team built almost exactly the same as us.

Now another wild card is this kid we drafted from KSU and being able to land DeAngelo Williams. If that ends up being our new RBBC.....look out. If we bring in DeAngelo along with a veteran QB like a Palmer, Orton or Hasselbeck I can see a post season run this year. I am talking actually getting a wild card and advancing one round. We have a huge celing with this young and hungary defense we have been building.

You and I have different opinions of the defense. Solid perhaps but no playmakers. No guys that inflict fear into opposing QBs as far as I can see.

BTW Todem, I wasn't meaning you inparticular.

Cameron Wake?

He certainly qualifies.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

good feedback, and I happen to like henne and think he has the "tools" to be a decent QB, I just think that Miami fans are fed up with "same ol same ol" and the new owner is trying to sell tickets. This draft + Sporano + Henne does not equal ticket sales. I am a season ticket holder...actually, I was a season ticket holder, but after 9 years of this crap I am done. I'd like to see a QB with potential come in and take the reigns and win some games for us, or if not, get a guy who will at least make it interesting to go to the games. Lost in the 7-9 from last year was the 1-7 home record. Who wants to pay to watch turd steaming in the heat?

Miami fans got what they deserved when they ran shula and marino out of town as if they were the problem... (Not me, but people used to blame shula and marino for the dolphins not winning a superbowl)...

Sad but true

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Last QB to be drafted in the 1st round by the Miami Dolphins?

Dan Marino and that worked out all right. You would think they might at least try to draft a few QBs to develop along the way.

 

[Lrbutler]

I think they will make a move for Orton, I have no proof to back this statement up....its a gut feeling.

 

[Reaper]

good feedback, and I happen to like henne and think he has the "tools" to be a decent QB, I just think that Miami fans are fed up with "same ol same ol" and the new owner is trying to sell tickets. This draft + Sporano + Henne does not equal ticket sales. I am a season ticket holder...actually, I was a season ticket holder, but after 9 years of this crap I am done. I'd like to see a QB with potential come in and take the reigns and win some games for us, or if not, get a guy who will at least make it interesting to go to the games. Lost in the 7-9 from last year was the 1-7 home record. Who wants to pay to watch turd steaming in the heat?

Miami fans got what they deserved when they ran shula and marino out of town as if they were the problem... (Not me, but people used to blame shula and marino for the dolphins not winning a superbowl)...

Sad but true

From a rival view... I don't think running Marino out of town was the issue (when it happened) - I think the problem started way before that... IMO, when you have a Dan Marino or any HOF Franchise QB, that player deserves almost as much say as anyone on franchise moves and you build around that player and you give that player what he needs to lead his team..... I'm amazed when teams don't do this more. If you want a HOF caliber player to really lead your team then damn, give him what he wants and needs - at least hear him out.

The point where they decided to keep Marino yet hire a HC who was going to come in with an iron fist and run an offense that his HOF QB did not buy into 100% is where it fell apart...

Why have Dan Marino when you aren't going to let him be Dan Marino?

That said, Back on topic - Back in the Henne thread I was one of the few people who still believed in Henne.. IMO, Quarterbacks aren't given the time these days to learn the position and learn from their mistakes... IMO, playing QB takes a long time to master. Henne has all the tools... If the guy isn't giving 100% or is just an idiot then fine. But, if you have a guy who eats and breathes football then sure, bring in some competition but, let the guy develop.

 

[Sweet Love]

Understand, this is coming from a Jets fan, so take it with a grain of salt...

I watched the early season matchup last year between the Jets and Dolphins...my take away that night was that Henne looked just as good as Sanchez (take that with a grain of salt too...lol). Both made dumb mistakes, and both made nice plays. Jets won, but I distinctly remembering, "crap, they have a QB now". Now after that game the seasons went in opposite directions, but I did not see much of a difference between a QB that is getting run out of town versus one that "took" (managed) a team to the AFC championship in back-to-back years at that time. I loathe to give counsel to the enemy, but I really do think QB is not the biggest issue here. The running game was flat-out lame and I do feel coaching is more of an issue than is brought up. If you think about it, the best thing the Phins did in Sparano's reign is the Wildcat, and that was not of his doing.

I think it was actually "heady" of them to pass this year when everyone was busy grabbing QBs...there are not a lot of teams that will draft a QB in the top 50 one year and go ahead and get another in the first the next. Really, I just see Seattle and a team like the Colts in the mix for a first round QB in 2012, along with Miami...if there is even just a decent class, they will have a good selection.

 

[Reaper]

Understand, this is coming from a Jets fan, so take it with a grain of salt...I watched the early season matchup last year between the Jets and Dolphins...my take away that night was that Henne looked just as good as Sanchez (take that with a grain of salt too...lol). Both made dumb mistakes, and both made nice plays. Jets won, but I distinctly remembering, "crap, they have a QB now". Now after that game the seasons went in opposite directions, but I did not see much of a difference between a QB that is getting run out of town versus one that "took" (managed) a team to the AFC championship in back-to-back years at that time. I loathe to give counsel to the enemy, but I really do think QB is not the biggest issue here. The running game was flat-out lame and I do feel coaching is more of an issue than is brought up. If you think about it, the best thing the Phins did in Sparano's reign is the Wildcat, and that was not of his doing. I think it was actually "heady" of them to pass this year when everyone was busy grabbing QBs...there are not a lot of teams that will draft a QB in the top 50 one year and go ahead and get another in the first the next. Really, I just see Seattle and a team like the Colts in the mix for a first round QB in 2012, along with Miami...if there is even just a decent class, they will have a good selection.

Yeah, just what I've been saying....I will add this though, Coming from Jets fans...BRIAN DABOL.... ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!The guy who was just a flunky with the Jets that Mangenius brings to Cleveland where he kinda runs that high powered offense???So, as much as the two of us want to say we think Henne can do it, Sheesh, if I were betting my house I'd rather do it with an Offensive Guru or almost anyone who was an OC on a succesful offense before and developed QB's before...

 

[Gatorman]

Who knows with Dabol, and I agree, Henne is not "terrible". The truth is (jet fans), I think sanchez will be the reason your team will not win a championship b/c he is Henne as well. Any team that has to "shackle" their QB will have a hard time winning a championship. Those teams that are championship caliber "unleash" their QB and offense upon you.

The only exception to this rule was the ravens, and now they have a good QB in Flacco.

 

[Joe Summer]

Last QB to be drafted in the 1st round by the Miami Dolphins?

Dan Marino and that worked out all right. You would think they might at least try to draft a few QBs to develop along the way.

Yeah, if only they could find another Dan Marino "to develop".

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Last QB to be drafted in the 1st round by the Miami Dolphins?

Dan Marino and that worked out all right. You would think they might at least try to draft a few QBs to develop along the way.

Yeah, if only they could find another Dan Marino "to develop".

Ha Ha but its been almost 30 years since the Miami Dolphins took a stab at a QB in the 1st round. That was the larger point.

 

[Reaper]

Who knows with Dabol, and I agree, Henne is not "terrible". The truth is (jet fans), I think sanchez will be the reason your team will not win a championship b/c he is Henne as well. Any team that has to "shackle" their QB will have a hard time winning a championship. Those teams that are championship caliber "unleash" their QB and offense upon you.The only exception to this rule was the ravens, and now they have a good QB in Flacco.

I admit I'm not 100% Bought into Sanchez - I was against the draft pick before I was for it... And man, I gotta say I'd rather have Freeman right now and the extra pick.That said, he's still very young, and Like I said about Henne, I think QB's aren't given the chance to develop - Sanchez has had the opportunity to develop AND succeed... The experience he's had with Road Playoff victories is hard to match from any QB - Guy has the most road playoff wins ever in only 2 years!!!! Granted great QB's play at home.Sanchez has shown flashes of greatness IMO, especially in crunch time in those comeback wins... He's got somethin'.Jets also just drafted another QB McElroy to develop.I have always said, that with Quarterbacks I'll always give them time and hold back opinions out of college. It's the hardest position to evaluate BUT, at the very least give me the QB that is a gym rat and lives and breathes football. The guy in the film room studying tape all night - and THAT is Mark Sanchez. He's got a big part of the Jets offense in California as we speak working out.I wonder if Henne is nearly as much the Gym rat and the comments that Parcells was "dissapointed" with Henne's development really made me wonder more.

 

[=Smackdown=]

In 2009 with a decent & healthy Oline, they ran the ball well and Henne was OK

In 2010 with an injured interior Oline, and not being able to run the ball, Henne struggled and looked bad.

This past draft they focused on the Offense - C/G in Pouncey, big RB, TE/FB, and a fast WR that can stretch the field. IMO they seem to be building around him and trying to help.

IF they repeat their 2010 performance all of them will be gone - Henne, Sparano & Ireland. Then we can start the Luck/Cowher watch.

 

[Todem]

Last QB to be drafted in the 1st round by the Miami Dolphins?

Dan Marino and that worked out all right. You would think they might at least try to draft a few QBs to develop along the way.

Yeah, if only they could find another Dan Marino "to develop".

And here is my point. You don't have to develop a Dan Marino, A Tom Brady a Peyton Manning, a Drew Brees....these guys started producing right away, they have "it".

Henne is far from this. Develop? Yeah some QB's do need a year or 2. I can almost assure you Rodgers was ready a year before they made him the man. Carson Palmer sat for one year before he started his run (be it brief as he was never the same after that knee injury).

That i my main point. When you get a franchise QB they are showing their potential day friggin one.

Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco are perfect examples of guys who showed great flashes of brilliance in their rookie seasons. And are well on heir way to being very good NFL QB's and maybe even elite QB's (they are already good)

When the hell has Chad Henne changed a game?

Never.

 

[Todem]

Who knows with Dabol, and I agree, Henne is not "terrible". The truth is (jet fans), I think sanchez will be the reason your team will not win a championship b/c he is Henne as well. Any team that has to "shackle" their QB will have a hard time winning a championship. Those teams that are championship caliber "unleash" their QB and offense upon you.

The only exception to this rule was the ravens, and now they have a good QB in Flacco.

I admit I'm not 100% Bought into Sanchez - I was against the draft pick before I was for it... And man, I gotta say I'd rather have Freeman right now and the extra pick.

That said, he's still very young, and Like I said about Henne, I think QB's aren't given the chance to develop - Sanchez has had the opportunity to develop AND succeed... The experience he's had with Road Playoff victories is hard to match from any QB - Guy has the most road playoff wins ever in only 2 years!!!! Granted great QB's play at home.

Sanchez has shown flashes of greatness IMO, especially in crunch time in those comeback wins... He's got somethin'.

Jets also just drafted another QB McElroy to develop.

I have always said, that with Quarterbacks I'll always give them time and hold back opinions out of college. It's the hardest position to evaluate BUT, at the very least give me the QB that is a gym rat and lives and breathes football. The guy in the film room studying tape all night - and THAT is Mark Sanchez. He's got a big part of the Jets offense in California as we speak working out.

I wonder if Henne is nearly as much the Gym rat and the comments that Parcells was "dissapointed" with Henne's development really made me wonder more.

Absolutely!

Sanchez has flashed some great moments. He has the factor you can't coach. He has shown fantastic leadership ability, and an ability to perform in crunch time under extreme pressure.

Please point to me anything that Henne has done to give us any glimpse of hope he can be a franchise QB. In 2009 he was just "ok". He regressed badly in 2010 to the point of no return IMO. I really had high hopes for him but I have seen enough and believe me the Dolphins coaching staff has as well.

This was not a year to reach for a QB so I was happy they did not take one. They will sign a veteran to compete and hopefully next year we can land our guy.

It is the toughest position to fill and if anyone thinks the QB is not the most important player on the team then you need to really re-think that.

 

[Lrbutler]

Well as a fan of Cleveland, I can tell you that Dabol sucks!!!!!! LOL

 

[Todem]

Well as a fan of Cleveland, I can tell you that Dabol sucks!!!!!! LOL

Yeah it was a head scratcher. But an OC is only as good as his personal. That is a huge wait and see.The thing with the Dolphins is we have been rebuilding what seems like forever. How many times are we going to go through this?JimmyWandstashSabinCam CameronTony SparanoOh I know......till we get a QB.