Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
Any thoughts on when or if the Borowoski hammer falls on Valverde?
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So when do i start panicking about Valverde (1 Viewer)
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MAC_32
Footballguy
That depends, do you expect the 07 version from here on out? or do you expect the version that couldn't hold onto the job in 04, 05, and 06? I expect the latter. If you want to stay optimistic check out the mess that's behind him, Doug Brocail has some good early season numbers (7 G, 6.2 IP, 6 K, 6/1 K:BB ratio, 1.35 ERA, 0 HR) so if he is able to keep that up you can become concerned. However, that .320 BAA leads me to believe he won't be able to maintain his current pace.
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The Ghost of Common
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You should start panicking 2 weeks ago.
MAC_32
Footballguy
What's your point? He's no better or worse of an option than Valverde, he's cheaper, and they got some prospects too.And now they have Brandon Lyonprosopis said:
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Well, he IS worse than Valverde. But at least they have Tony Pena for the inevitable fall of Lyon.What's your point? He's no better or worse of an option than Valverde, he's cheaper, and they got some prospects too.And now they have Brandon Lyonprosopis said:
MAC_32
Footballguy
Chad Qualls too. They have depth, unlike Houston.Well, he IS worse than Valverde. But at least they have Tony Pena for the inevitable fall of Lyon.What's your point? He's no better or worse of an option than Valverde, he's cheaper, and they got some prospects too.And now they have Brandon Lyonprosopis said:
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
2006:Valverde: 49.3 IP, 69K, 22BB, 5.84 ERALyon: 69.3 IP, 46K, 22BB, 3.89 ERA2007:Valverde: 69.3 IP, 78K, 26BB, 2.66 ERALyon: 74.0 IP, 40K, 22BB, 2.68 ERASaying that he's definitely worse than Valverde is going to take some convincing.Well, he IS worse than Valverde. But at least they have Tony Pena for the inevitable fall of Lyon.What's your point? He's no better or worse of an option than Valverde, he's cheaper, and they got some prospects too.And now they have Brandon Lyonprosopis said:
MAC_32
Footballguy
FWIW, this numbers cited from Lyon were in a non-closer role. His closer numbers are ugly.2006:Valverde: 49.3 IP, 69K, 22BB, 5.84 ERALyon: 69.3 IP, 46K, 22BB, 3.89 ERA2007:Valverde: 69.3 IP, 78K, 26BB, 2.66 ERALyon: 74.0 IP, 40K, 22BB, 2.68 ERASaying that he's definitely worse than Valverde is going to take some convincing.Well, he IS worse than Valverde. But at least they have Tony Pena for the inevitable fall of Lyon.What's your point? He's no better or worse of an option than Valverde, he's cheaper, and they got some prospects too.And now they have Brandon Lyonprosopis said:
Give me the guy that is consistently striking out well over a batter per IP over the guy who is just barely over half a K per IP every day of the week.Lyon is DEFINITELY worse than Valverde......and Valverde is "not good"Listening to Houston sports radio today is awesome. All Valverde all the time.
Dotel had some pretty good numbers as a non-closer in Houston. His transition to closer was fairly smoothFWIW, this numbers cited from Lyon were in a non-closer role. His closer numbers are ugly.2006:Valverde: 49.3 IP, 69K, 22BB, 5.84 ERALyon: 69.3 IP, 46K, 22BB, 3.89 ERA2007:Valverde: 69.3 IP, 78K, 26BB, 2.66 ERALyon: 74.0 IP, 40K, 22BB, 2.68 ERASaying that he's definitely worse than Valverde is going to take some convincing.Well, he IS worse than Valverde. But at least they have Tony Pena for the inevitable fall of Lyon.What's your point? He's no better or worse of an option than Valverde, he's cheaper, and they got some prospects too.And now they have Brandon Lyonprosopis said:
pollardsvision
Footballguy
didn't see the game and don't know if valverde was just getting a night off, but brocail did something valverde hasn't done yet this year... got a scoreless save.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Gut feeling itll be QuallsWell, he IS worse than Valverde. But at least they have Tony Pena for the inevitable fall of Lyon.What's your point? He's no better or worse of an option than Valverde, he's cheaper, and they got some prospects too.And now they have Brandon Lyon
MAC_32
Footballguy
Night off, he had pitched three of the last four nights and thrown 20+ pitches in each outing.
Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
Ok - I started this thread and I need some advice now. I want to pick up Brocail beofre someone else does in my league. Do I go ahead and drop Valverde or one of these other options - mind you it is a rotisserie league:
Starters - Webb, Smoltz, Penny, Cueto, Lincecum, Billingsley, Francis
Closers - Isringhausen, Valverde
I was considering dropping Francis because he has done nothing for me, but I am not so sure Valverde is going to get it. It appears to be in his head now and this will be what he does.
So do I pull the trigger for Brocail now and hold onto Valverde and drop Francis or keep Francis and drop Valverde or wait?
Any feedback tonight would be great as I need to make a decision tonight!
Starters - Webb, Smoltz, Penny, Cueto, Lincecum, Billingsley, Francis
Closers - Isringhausen, Valverde
I was considering dropping Francis because he has done nothing for me, but I am not so sure Valverde is going to get it. It appears to be in his head now and this will be what he does.
So do I pull the trigger for Brocail now and hold onto Valverde and drop Francis or keep Francis and drop Valverde or wait?
Any feedback tonight would be great as I need to make a decision tonight!
Michael Brown
Footballguy
MAN people are quick to dump 17 game-winning, 165 strikeout-having pitchers.And here's his line from tonight against the Pads: 7 IP, 4 guys on, 0 R, 7 K
MAC_32
Footballguy
Coming into this season...3 Year ERA --> 4.65 (below replacement level)3 Year WHIP --> 1.47 (below replacement level)3 Year K/9 IP --> 6.2 (replacement level)3 Year HR/9 IP --> 1.04 (below replacement level)3 Year W --> 14.7 (above replacement level, but is impossible to predict)He pitched well last night, but I tend to rely on a 99 game sample size more than I do one game. That's just me though.
shadyridr
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Care to say why my opinion is "roll eyes" worthy? I gave my reasons, why is he rosterable? Streaming based on hot pitchers and matchups while focusing on K rates and split stats for your last SP will net you a more productive 200 IPs if done properly than just plugging in Francis.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Im not saying hes good but Im pretty sure theres room in a 12 team league for a pitcher who won 17 games last year .Care to say why my opinion is "roll eyes" worthy? I gave my reasons, why is he rosterable? Streaming based on hot pitchers and matchups while focusing on K rates and split stats for your last SP will net you a more productive 200 IPs if done properly than just plugging in Francis.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Tim Wakefield won 17 games last year, Miguel Batista won 16, you going to roster tham too? Besides, how can you say he's likely to win 17 again? Ian Snell dropped his ERA by over a run last year and saw his win total go from 14 to 9, you can't predict wins. Francis could win 13, he could win 20. If he wins 13 he is below replacement level in a 12 teamer, if he wins 20 maybe he was worth the roster spot - we'll see. As is he is replacement level, snatching up Wandy Rodriguez for his home games and picking up waiver wire starter's against San Fran (Manny Parra, Carlos Villaneuva, and Justin Germano so far) will almost certainly net you a greater return when all is said and done.Im not saying hes good but Im pretty sure theres room in a 12 team league for a pitcher who won 17 games last year .Care to say why my opinion is "roll eyes" worthy? I gave my reasons, why is he rosterable? Streaming based on hot pitchers and matchups while focusing on K rates and split stats for your last SP will net you a more productive 200 IPs if done properly than just plugging in Francis.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Are you the only person in this imaginary league where every guy with a good spot start is available and free for you to pick up on a whim?Tim Wakefield won 17 games last year, Miguel Batista won 16, you going to roster tham too? Besides, how can you say he's likely to win 17 again? Ian Snell dropped his ERA by over a run last year and saw his win total go from 14 to 9, you can't predict wins. Francis could win 13, he could win 20. If he wins 13 he is below replacement level in a 12 teamer, if he wins 20 maybe he was worth the roster spot - we'll see. As is he is replacement level, snatching up Wandy Rodriguez for his home games and picking up waiver wire starter's against San Fran (Manny Parra, Carlos Villaneuva, and Justin Germano so far) will almost certainly net you a greater return when all is said and done.Im not saying hes good but Im pretty sure theres room in a 12 team league for a pitcher who won 17 games last year .Care to say why my opinion is "roll eyes" worthy? I gave my reasons, why is he rosterable? Streaming based on hot pitchers and matchups while focusing on K rates and split stats for your last SP will net you a more productive 200 IPs if done properly than just plugging in Francis.
MAC_32
Footballguy
On a whim? It's called planning ahead. And Germano, Parra, Villaneuva, and Wandy are rostered in your leagues? I highly doubt that, and if they are that's not the case for most 12 team leagues. So far utilizing this strategy I've gotten 3 wins, 32 ip, 29 k, 1.41 era, 0.96 whip in 5 starts. Compare that to Francis. I've got Wandy going tomorrow and after that I'm looking at the Colorado series against San Fran in 10 days where Jiminez and Morales are penciled in currently to get shots at them.Please refrain from insulting me for formulating a strategy and having it pan out so far, imaginary league? Shut up. There's going to be some bad games along the way, but in the end I believe doing this instead of simply rostering a Francis, a Wang, a Garland, a Livian Hernandez, etc. will prove better for my team.shadyridr said:Are you the only person in this imaginary league where every guy with a good spot start is available and free for you to pick up on a whim?MAC_32 said:Tim Wakefield won 17 games last year, Miguel Batista won 16, you going to roster tham too? Besides, how can you say he's likely to win 17 again? Ian Snell dropped his ERA by over a run last year and saw his win total go from 14 to 9, you can't predict wins. Francis could win 13, he could win 20. If he wins 13 he is below replacement level in a 12 teamer, if he wins 20 maybe he was worth the roster spot - we'll see. As is he is replacement level, snatching up Wandy Rodriguez for his home games and picking up waiver wire starter's against San Fran (Manny Parra, Carlos Villaneuva, and Justin Germano so far) will almost certainly net you a greater return when all is said and done.shadyridr said:Im not saying hes good but Im pretty sure theres room in a 12 team league for a pitcher who won 17 games last year .Care to say why my opinion is "roll eyes" worthy? I gave my reasons, why is he rosterable? Streaming based on hot pitchers and matchups while focusing on K rates and split stats for your last SP will net you a more productive 200 IPs if done properly than just plugging in Francis.
shadyridr
Footballguy
I play in a league with 12 FBGs where all those players are rostered.On a whim? It's called planning ahead. And Germano, Parra, Villaneuva, and Wandy are rostered in your leagues? I highly doubt that, and if they are that's not the case for most 12 team leagues. So far utilizing this strategy I've gotten 3 wins, 32 ip, 29 k, 1.41 era, 0.96 whip in 5 starts. Compare that to Francis. I've got Wandy going tomorrow and after that I'm looking at the Colorado series against San Fran in 10 days where Jiminez and Morales are penciled in currently to get shots at them.Please refrain from insulting me for formulating a strategy and having it pan out so far, imaginary league? Shut up. There's going to be some bad games along the way, but in the end I believe doing this instead of simply rostering a Francis, a Wang, a Garland, a Livian Hernandez, etc. will prove better for my team.shadyridr said:Are you the only person in this imaginary league where every guy with a good spot start is available and free for you to pick up on a whim?MAC_32 said:Tim Wakefield won 17 games last year, Miguel Batista won 16, you going to roster tham too? Besides, how can you say he's likely to win 17 again? Ian Snell dropped his ERA by over a run last year and saw his win total go from 14 to 9, you can't predict wins. Francis could win 13, he could win 20. If he wins 13 he is below replacement level in a 12 teamer, if he wins 20 maybe he was worth the roster spot - we'll see. As is he is replacement level, snatching up Wandy Rodriguez for his home games and picking up waiver wire starter's against San Fran (Manny Parra, Carlos Villaneuva, and Justin Germano so far) will almost certainly net you a greater return when all is said and done.shadyridr said:Im not saying hes good but Im pretty sure theres room in a 12 team league for a pitcher who won 17 games last year .Care to say why my opinion is "roll eyes" worthy? I gave my reasons, why is he rosterable? Streaming based on hot pitchers and matchups while focusing on K rates and split stats for your last SP will net you a more productive 200 IPs if done properly than just plugging in Francis.
MAC_32
Footballguy
:hands you a cookie:I play in a league with 12 FBGs where all those players are rostered.On a whim? It's called planning ahead. And Germano, Parra, Villaneuva, and Wandy are rostered in your leagues? I highly doubt that, and if they are that's not the case for most 12 team leagues. So far utilizing this strategy I've gotten 3 wins, 32 ip, 29 k, 1.41 era, 0.96 whip in 5 starts. Compare that to Francis. I've got Wandy going tomorrow and after that I'm looking at the Colorado series against San Fran in 10 days where Jiminez and Morales are penciled in currently to get shots at them.Please refrain from insulting me for formulating a strategy and having it pan out so far, imaginary league? Shut up. There's going to be some bad games along the way, but in the end I believe doing this instead of simply rostering a Francis, a Wang, a Garland, a Livian Hernandez, etc. will prove better for my team.shadyridr said:Are you the only person in this imaginary league where every guy with a good spot start is available and free for you to pick up on a whim?MAC_32 said:Tim Wakefield won 17 games last year, Miguel Batista won 16, you going to roster tham too? Besides, how can you say he's likely to win 17 again? Ian Snell dropped his ERA by over a run last year and saw his win total go from 14 to 9, you can't predict wins. Francis could win 13, he could win 20. If he wins 13 he is below replacement level in a 12 teamer, if he wins 20 maybe he was worth the roster spot - we'll see. As is he is replacement level, snatching up Wandy Rodriguez for his home games and picking up waiver wire starter's against San Fran (Manny Parra, Carlos Villaneuva, and Justin Germano so far) will almost certainly net you a greater return when all is said and done.shadyridr said:Im not saying hes good but Im pretty sure theres room in a 12 team league for a pitcher who won 17 games last year .Care to say why my opinion is "roll eyes" worthy? I gave my reasons, why is he rosterable? Streaming based on hot pitchers and matchups while focusing on K rates and split stats for your last SP will net you a more productive 200 IPs if done properly than just plugging in Francis.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
francis is in a huge group of guys that i wouldn't be surprised to see finish anywhere b/w #30 and #70 among SP's by the end of the season. he won't challenge for a cy young, but he's a fairly young lefty (lefties take longer to develop) who'll get a significant amount of strikeouts and post a respectable ERA and WHIP. i think he'll be much more valuable by the end of the season than most of the new guys who haven't been around the league yet that fantasy owners are drooling over.
however, if it's a 10 teamer where you only need 4-5 SPs, then i could see him not being on a roster. you can get away with chasing upside b/c there will always be decent pitchers on the wire.
however, if it's a 10 teamer where you only need 4-5 SPs, then i could see him not being on a roster. you can get away with chasing upside b/c there will always be decent pitchers on the wire.
MrJimiT
Footballguy
I guess the bottom line with Valverde and a roster spot on your team, is whether or not you think he'll get out of his funk. I mean, if you do, stick with him because he can't do much worse that he already has on your team (assuming he's been in your lineup). In my particular situation, of my 9 pitchers in a daily league, I like to run relievers out there when I can. Valverde was the worst of 5 for me from guys like KRod, Jenks, Ryan, Lyons for my team. For me, I didn't see the light at the end of the tunnel for Valverde. Yes he had a good year last season for a really good Arizona team. But that one year seems to be standing out as an aberration to his normal stats. So because of the rest of my staff and my situation in my league as it regards to saves, I cut bait with Valverde this morning. I guess it also depends on who's available in your league. Most of the saves guys are gone in my league. If you care to know, I picked up a non-save reliever in Jonathon Broxton for Valverde.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
You should hold Wandy and play him at the Maid most starts if you're looking for a good strategy. He's rostered in my 10, 12, and 14 (and both 20s but that's obvious) team leagues.On a whim? It's called planning ahead. And Germano, Parra, Villaneuva, and Wandy are rostered in your leagues? I highly doubt that, and if they are that's not the case for most 12 team leagues. So far utilizing this strategy I've gotten 3 wins, 32 ip, 29 k, 1.41 era, 0.96 whip in 5 starts. Compare that to Francis. I've got Wandy going tomorrow and after that I'm looking at the Colorado series against San Fran in 10 days where Jiminez and Morales are penciled in currently to get shots at them.shadyridr said:Are you the only person in this imaginary league where every guy with a good spot start is available and free for you to pick up on a whim?MAC_32 said:Tim Wakefield won 17 games last year, Miguel Batista won 16, you going to roster tham too? Besides, how can you say he's likely to win 17 again? Ian Snell dropped his ERA by over a run last year and saw his win total go from 14 to 9, you can't predict wins. Francis could win 13, he could win 20. If he wins 13 he is below replacement level in a 12 teamer, if he wins 20 maybe he was worth the roster spot - we'll see. As is he is replacement level, snatching up Wandy Rodriguez for his home games and picking up waiver wire starter's against San Fran (Manny Parra, Carlos Villaneuva, and Justin Germano so far) will almost certainly net you a greater return when all is said and done.shadyridr said:Im not saying hes good but Im pretty sure theres room in a 12 team league for a pitcher who won 17 games last year .Care to say why my opinion is "roll eyes" worthy? I gave my reasons, why is he rosterable? Streaming based on hot pitchers and matchups while focusing on K rates and split stats for your last SP will net you a more productive 200 IPs if done properly than just plugging in Francis.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Besides your ridiculously unnecessary tone (note: telling respected posters to "shut up" is not going to extend your posting privileges past oh, another day or so if it keeps up)...As for the actual content of your post, there's an inherent flaw. You're using a strategy whereby you rotate all of the top available waiver wire pitchers based on matchups, and so far it's worked out fine. The problem with this strategy is that there are eleven other owners in the league. Perhaps in your league, your league members aren't on the ball and haven't thought of using your strategy. But in a typical league, if everyone sees someone using the strategy you pointed out, sooner or later they catch on. Then one of two things happens: either they claim those players to block them from you, or they use the same strategy. Then instead of choosing from amongst Wandy Rodriguez and Franklin Morales, you're choosing from amongst the absolute dregs of the league. And your strategy certainly won't work anywhere near as well as it would if you just ran Francis out there every 5th day.As for your earlier comment about using a 99 game sample size over 1 game, if you had even bothered to read my post you would've seen that I referred to his stats from last season. 17 wins and 165 K's are nothing to sneeze at. And even though wins are unpredictable, that doesn't mean you should disregard the fact that someone got 17 wins. And since they ARE unpredictable, who's to say he won't UP those 17 wins to 19 or 20? Yes, Wakefield and Batista had a lot of wins too but their peripherals weren't anywhere near Francis, and they aren't up-and-coming, young lefty starters with room to grow. I tend to not disregard players simply because I have a method that will work in one out of every 175 leagues. But hey, that's just me.On a whim? It's called planning ahead. And Germano, Parra, Villaneuva, and Wandy are rostered in your leagues? I highly doubt that, and if they are that's not the case for most 12 team leagues. So far utilizing this strategy I've gotten 3 wins, 32 ip, 29 k, 1.41 era, 0.96 whip in 5 starts. Compare that to Francis. I've got Wandy going tomorrow and after that I'm looking at the Colorado series against San Fran in 10 days where Jiminez and Morales are penciled in currently to get shots at them.Please refrain from insulting me for formulating a strategy and having it pan out so far, imaginary league? Shut up. There's going to be some bad games along the way, but in the end I believe doing this instead of simply rostering a Francis, a Wang, a Garland, a Livian Hernandez, etc. will prove better for my team.Are you the only person in this imaginary league where every guy with a good spot start is available and free for you to pick up on a whim?Tim Wakefield won 17 games last year, Miguel Batista won 16, you going to roster tham too? Besides, how can you say he's likely to win 17 again? Ian Snell dropped his ERA by over a run last year and saw his win total go from 14 to 9, you can't predict wins. Francis could win 13, he could win 20. If he wins 13 he is below replacement level in a 12 teamer, if he wins 20 maybe he was worth the roster spot - we'll see. As is he is replacement level, snatching up Wandy Rodriguez for his home games and picking up waiver wire starter's against San Fran (Manny Parra, Carlos Villaneuva, and Justin Germano so far) will almost certainly net you a greater return when all is said and done.Im not saying hes good but Im pretty sure theres room in a 12 team league for a pitcher who won 17 games last year .Care to say why my opinion is "roll eyes" worthy? I gave my reasons, why is he rosterable? Streaming based on hot pitchers and matchups while focusing on K rates and split stats for your last SP will net you a more productive 200 IPs if done properly than just plugging in Francis.
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Michael Brown
Footballguy
I play in a league with 12 FBGs where all those players are rostered.On a whim? It's called planning ahead. And Germano, Parra, Villaneuva, and Wandy are rostered in your leagues? I highly doubt that, and if they are that's not the case for most 12 team leagues. So far utilizing this strategy I've gotten 3 wins, 32 ip, 29 k, 1.41 era, 0.96 whip in 5 starts. Compare that to Francis. I've got Wandy going tomorrow and after that I'm looking at the Colorado series against San Fran in 10 days where Jiminez and Morales are penciled in currently to get shots at them.Please refrain from insulting me for formulating a strategy and having it pan out so far, imaginary league? Shut up. There's going to be some bad games along the way, but in the end I believe doing this instead of simply rostering a Francis, a Wang, a Garland, a Livian Hernandez, etc. will prove better for my team.Are you the only person in this imaginary league where every guy with a good spot start is available and free for you to pick up on a whim?Tim Wakefield won 17 games last year, Miguel Batista won 16, you going to roster tham too? Besides, how can you say he's likely to win 17 again? Ian Snell dropped his ERA by over a run last year and saw his win total go from 14 to 9, you can't predict wins. Francis could win 13, he could win 20. If he wins 13 he is below replacement level in a 12 teamer, if he wins 20 maybe he was worth the roster spot - we'll see. As is he is replacement level, snatching up Wandy Rodriguez for his home games and picking up waiver wire starter's against San Fran (Manny Parra, Carlos Villaneuva, and Justin Germano so far) will almost certainly net you a greater return when all is said and done.Im not saying hes good but Im pretty sure theres room in a 12 team league for a pitcher who won 17 games last year .Care to say why my opinion is "roll eyes" worthy? I gave my reasons, why is he rosterable? Streaming based on hot pitchers and matchups while focusing on K rates and split stats for your last SP will net you a more productive 200 IPs if done properly than just plugging in Francis.
I'm in two 12-teamers and all those guys are rostered. The top guys on my WW in both leagues are guys like Looper, Kuo, Redding, etc. Good luck rotating THAT garbage.
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Michael Brown
Footballguy
I edited your post to reflect his numbers over the last TWO seasons. You included his 2005 campaign when he was a rookie pitching in Coors for the first time and he had an ERA and WHIP of 5.68 and 1.62 with an opponents' average of .311. I'm not saying you can just throw out those stats arbitrarily, but I'm of the belief that he's a lot closer to the pitcher he was the last two years than the pitcher he was three seasons ago.
Buckfast
Footballguy
There is an interesting discussion about Jeff Francis on ESPN Radio's most recent Fantasy Focus. Matthew Berry takes MAC-32's hostile anti-Francis approach while Nate Ravitz takes the more tempered approach, saying that Francis can be a useful fantasy player. In the end, I think that Ravitz makes Berry's anti-Francis tirade look foolish, by shooting him down over and over again with statistics to which Berry has little to no response. Listening to it was like reliving the postings on this board in audio form.
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/index (Look for the Fantasy Focus podcast regarding Jeff Francis)
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/espnradio/index (Look for the Fantasy Focus podcast regarding Jeff Francis)
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Thank you for pointing this out.Besides your ridiculously unnecessary tone (note: telling respected posters to "shut up" is not going to extend your posting privileges past oh, another day or so if it keeps up)...On a whim? It's called planning ahead. And Germano, Parra, Villaneuva, and Wandy are rostered in your leagues? I highly doubt that, and if they are that's not the case for most 12 team leagues. So far utilizing this strategy I've gotten 3 wins, 32 ip, 29 k, 1.41 era, 0.96 whip in 5 starts. Compare that to Francis. I've got Wandy going tomorrow and after that I'm looking at the Colorado series against San Fran in 10 days where Jiminez and Morales are penciled in currently to get shots at them.Please refrain from insulting me for formulating a strategy and having it pan out so far, imaginary league? Shut up. There's going to be some bad games along the way, but in the end I believe doing this instead of simply rostering a Francis, a Wang, a Garland, a Livian Hernandez, etc. will prove better for my team.Are you the only person in this imaginary league where every guy with a good spot start is available and free for you to pick up on a whim?Tim Wakefield won 17 games last year, Miguel Batista won 16, you going to roster tham too? Besides, how can you say he's likely to win 17 again? Ian Snell dropped his ERA by over a run last year and saw his win total go from 14 to 9, you can't predict wins. Francis could win 13, he could win 20. If he wins 13 he is below replacement level in a 12 teamer, if he wins 20 maybe he was worth the roster spot - we'll see. As is he is replacement level, snatching up Wandy Rodriguez for his home games and picking up waiver wire starter's against San Fran (Manny Parra, Carlos Villaneuva, and Justin Germano so far) will almost certainly net you a greater return when all is said and done.Im not saying hes good but Im pretty sure theres room in a 12 team league for a pitcher who won 17 games last year .Care to say why my opinion is "roll eyes" worthy? I gave my reasons, why is he rosterable? Streaming based on hot pitchers and matchups while focusing on K rates and split stats for your last SP will net you a more productive 200 IPs if done properly than just plugging in Francis.
