Some ADPs that are confusing the hell out of me (1 Viewer)

[tamales]

I got these ADPs last week off AntSports.com before the 2nd preseason games but they shouldnt have changed much.

Brandon Jacobs- 3.06 - OK whether you are a believer of Jacobs or not, the 3rd round seems kind of high for a RB on a bad team with an average OLine and a RB that may steal carries in Droughns. Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a fulltime back like Green, Lewis, or Williams in the 4th or 5th rounds? Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a RB with much more upside like Peterson or Lynch in the 4th round?

Cedric Benson- 3.04- Full time back on a running team with no competition for his job and a great OLine and hes grouped with guys like Jacobs in the 3rd round? Makes no sense. Whether you think Benson is good shouldnt he still be drafted in the 2nd round with guys like Brown, Jones-Drew, and Jones?

Jerious Norwood- 5.04- Who would you rather have in the 5th round? A RB in a RBBC who is not the goalline back on a bad team or a RB with the fulltime job like Lewis, Williams, or Green? Sure you can talk all you want about Norwood's upside but give me the RBs that will get all the opportunites over somebody who where if everything goes just right he will be a RB2.

Chad Johnson- 2.05- People are still drafting him as the #1 WR off the board? Did they not pay attention to last year? Or did they just look at his final numbers? Hes not even the #1 WR on his own team (IMO)

Lee Evans- 4.06- IMO he should be going in the 3rd round with the other stud WRs cuz thats what he is. I am shocked to see people would take the likes of Colston, Moss, TJ Housh, AJohnson, and Boldin over him. Currently all those WRs are being picked ahead of him.

Joey Galloway- 7.08- WOW! Is 1000 yds and 7 TDs that out of the question for him? Yet people are taking similarly projected WRs like Burress in the 4th round. And WRs like Clayton, Branch, and Chambers are all being selected ahead of him. WTF?

 

[mrspree15]

Fulltime jobs are nice, but Kevan Barlow had a fulltime gig in 2005. McGahee had one last year, Jamal Lewis had one. I can't fault anyone if they want to take a shot at a relative unknown (Jacobs) or a guy that might explode (Norwood), over retreads like Jamal and Caddy. Maybe Caddy isn't a retread yet, but his upside seems limited.

 

[avoiding injuries]

10 team ADP?

 

[tamales]

10 team ADP?

No, this was done using AntSports.com ADP calculator for a 12 team league, with TE required lineup and no PPR.

 

[tamales]

Fulltime jobs are nice, but Kevan Barlow had a fulltime gig in 2005. McGahee had one last year, Jamal Lewis had one. I can't fault anyone if they want to take a shot at a relative unknown (Jacobs) or a guy that might explode (Norwood), over retreads like Jamal and Caddy. Maybe Caddy isn't a retread yet, but his upside seems limited.

And I have no problem with that but drafting Jacobs 2 rounds before those "retreads" seems a bit much to me.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I don't have a whole lot to add, because your argument has a descent amount of merit, but I am one who is not at all convinced Lewis, and Green (And maybe Williams) will be full timers. There's some risk there.

 

[PrinceofDarkness]

I generally agree with your list above, except Chad Johnson. The distinction of him being the #1 WR on his team means very little in our world. He has a strong history of production in a high-powered offense.

2003 (WR3): 154 targets

2004 (WR9): 158 targets

2005 (WR4): 155 targets

2006 (WR4): 154 targets

Maybe I'm missing something?

 

[tick dog]

Curious, which Williams do you keep referring to as a "fulltime" back...DeAngelo? He's not only in a RBBC, but Foster is the starter on paper. Sure, he's got the upside but BOTH of these guys are injury prone and will likely cancel each other out unless one (miraculously) stays healthy all year. If you believe in fulltime backs like Ahman and Lewis, that's obviously your prerogative, but I don't think Williams is one of those.

 

[Dexter Manley]

What you have omitted from your post is how many RBs have been selected ahead of him on average. I personally have Jacobs ranked right around 20th, but if 16+ RB's have been taken by 3.06 on average, I don't think it's all that abnormal.

 

[Willowdoc]

First off Antsports includes keeper leagues (unless they changed this year). Secondly what time period are these including? Anything more than the last two weeks and they really aren't worth anything. Finally, I have Jacobs as my #13 RB. If thats the case and I am drafting 3.02 then 4.11, I need to take him with the 3.02 pick. So that ADP doesn't seem strange to me (especially if a few keeper leagues are in your sample).

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Jacobs - most people believe in his upside and know that droughns isnt very good. thus the reason for his adp

Benson - this was a management decision to go with him, not lovies. Yes he's a #1 and does equate good value in round 3 IMO, but his teammates dont like him and I dont think his coach does either.

Norwood - huge upside, Dunn is done. his ypc is off the charts. people seem to be reaching on him, I for one am not taking him even in round 5

Chad Johnson - I agree here, you can get the same production almost a round/ round & 1/2 later in TJ

Lee evans - he's a stud. but his QB/OFF limit his upside I dont think he'll match last year production. you mentioned: Colston, Moss, TJ Housh, AJohnson, and Boldin. I'd take everyone but Moss and AJ in front of Evans. And I have AJ about even with him

Galloway - is value again to me

 

[cjack]

Curious, which Williams do you keep referring to as a "fulltime" back...DeAngelo? He's not only in a RBBC, but Foster is the starter on paper. Sure, he's got the upside but BOTH of these guys are injury prone and will likely cancel each other out unless one (miraculously) stays healthy all year. If you believe in fulltime backs like Ahman and Lewis, that's obviously your prerogative, but I don't think Williams is one of those.

I believe he's talking about Cadillac Williams.

 

[tamales]

Curious, which Williams do you keep referring to as a "fulltime" back...DeAngelo? He's not only in a RBBC, but Foster is the starter on paper. Sure, he's got the upside but BOTH of these guys are injury prone and will likely cancel each other out unless one (miraculously) stays healthy all year. If you believe in fulltime backs like Ahman and Lewis, that's obviously your prerogative, but I don't think Williams is one of those.

Cadillac

 

[tamales]

First off Antsports includes keeper leagues (unless they changed this year). Secondly what time period are these including? Anything more than the last two weeks and they really aren't worth anything. Finally, I have Jacobs as my #13 RB. If thats the case and I am drafting 3.02 then 4.11, I need to take him with the 3.02 pick. So that ADP doesn't seem strange to me (especially if a few keeper leagues are in your sample).

I ran my calculation last Wed and included 1 week of mocks prior.

 

[tamales]

Lee evans - he's a stud. but his QB/OFF limit his upside I dont think he'll match last year production. you mentioned: Colston, Moss, TJ Housh, AJohnson, and Boldin. I'd take everyone but Moss and AJ in front of Evans. And I have AJ about even with him

That could just be my perception of Lee Evans then. I hope he slips to me in round 4.

 

[switz]

I got these ADPs last week off AntSports.com before the 2nd preseason games but they shouldnt have changed much.

Brandon Jacobs- 3.06 - OK whether you are a believer of Jacobs or not, the 3rd round seems kind of high for a RB on a bad team with an average OLine and a RB that may steal carries in Droughns. Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a fulltime back like Green, Lewis, or Williams in the 4th or 5th rounds? Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a RB with much more upside like Peterson or Lynch in the 4th round?

Cedric Benson- 3.04- Full time back on a running team with no competition for his job and a great OLine and hes grouped with guys like Jacobs in the 3rd round? Makes no sense. Whether you think Benson is good shouldnt he still be drafted in the 2nd round with guys like Brown, Jones-Drew, and Jones?

Jerious Norwood- 5.04- Who would you rather have in the 5th round? A RB in a RBBC who is not the goalline back on a bad team or a RB with the fulltime job like Lewis, Williams, or Green? Sure you can talk all you want about Norwood's upside but give me the RBs that will get all the opportunites over somebody who where if everything goes just right he will be a RB2.

Chad Johnson- 2.05- People are still drafting him as the #1 WR off the board? Did they not pay attention to last year? Or did they just look at his final numbers? Hes not even the #1 WR on his own team (IMO)

Lee Evans- 4.06- IMO he should be going in the 3rd round with the other stud WRs cuz thats what he is. I am shocked to see people would take the likes of Colston, Moss, TJ Housh, AJohnson, and Boldin over him. Currently all those WRs are being picked ahead of him.

Joey Galloway- 7.08- WOW! Is 1000 yds and 7 TDs that out of the question for him? Yet people are taking similarly projected WRs like Burress in the 4th round. And WRs like Clayton, Branch, and Chambers are all being selected ahead of him. WTF?

This is where you lost me. I like Evans, but every single one of the WRs you cite should put up better numbers than him this season, aside from AJohnson, and even he could.

 

[RenegadeGM]

Benson - this was a management decision to go with him, not lovies. Yes he's a #1 and does equate good value in round 3 IMO, but his teammates dont like him and I dont think his coach does either.

I think it can be debated whether you believe Benson will hold up to the physical pounding of being a workhorse back, but I think the "teammates hate him" angle is a bit overblown. They may in fact not like him but that isn't going to change the fact that Thomas Jones is gone and only the "other" Adrian Peterson (who I like as a late round flyer) and a 5'7" rookie in Garrett Wolfe are behind him.I can see doubting his ability to hold up, but I doubt his teammates' opinions of him will affect how much success he has this year.

Just MHO.

 

[tamales]

I got these ADPs last week off AntSports.com before the 2nd preseason games but they shouldnt have changed much.

Brandon Jacobs- 3.06 - OK whether you are a believer of Jacobs or not, the 3rd round seems kind of high for a RB on a bad team with an average OLine and a RB that may steal carries in Droughns. Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a fulltime back like Green, Lewis, or Williams in the 4th or 5th rounds? Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a RB with much more upside like Peterson or Lynch in the 4th round?

Cedric Benson- 3.04- Full time back on a running team with no competition for his job and a great OLine and hes grouped with guys like Jacobs in the 3rd round? Makes no sense. Whether you think Benson is good shouldnt he still be drafted in the 2nd round with guys like Brown, Jones-Drew, and Jones?

Jerious Norwood- 5.04- Who would you rather have in the 5th round? A RB in a RBBC who is not the goalline back on a bad team or a RB with the fulltime job like Lewis, Williams, or Green? Sure you can talk all you want about Norwood's upside but give me the RBs that will get all the opportunites over somebody who where if everything goes just right he will be a RB2.

Chad Johnson- 2.05- People are still drafting him as the #1 WR off the board? Did they not pay attention to last year? Or did they just look at his final numbers? Hes not even the #1 WR on his own team (IMO)

Lee Evans- 4.06- IMO he should be going in the 3rd round with the other stud WRs cuz thats what he is. I am shocked to see people would take the likes of Colston, Moss, TJ Housh, AJohnson, and Boldin over him. Currently all those WRs are being picked ahead of him.

Joey Galloway- 7.08- WOW! Is 1000 yds and 7 TDs that out of the question for him? Yet people are taking similarly projected WRs like Burress in the 4th round. And WRs like Clayton, Branch, and Chambers are all being selected ahead of him. WTF?

This is where you lost me. I like Evans, but every single one of the WRs you cite should put up better numbers than him this season, aside from AJohnson, and even he could.

Perhaps I am just very high on Evans. I have him ranked as my 6th WR! Hopefully he slips to me in the 4th. Here are my projections of the 5 WRs I mentioned.Evans- 1300 yds, 9 td, 184 pts

Colston- 1300 yds, 9td, 184 pts

Housh- 1200 yds, 8td, 168 pts

AJohnson- 1200 yds, 7td, 162 pts

Boldin- 1100 yds, 6td, 146 pts

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Benson - this was a management decision to go with him, not lovies. Yes he's a #1 and does equate good value in round 3 IMO, but his teammates dont like him and I dont think his coach does either.

I think it can be debated whether you believe Benson will hold up to the physical pounding of being a workhorse back, but I think the "teammates hate him" angle is a bit overblown. They may in fact not like him but that isn't going to change the fact that Thomas Jones is gone and only the "other" Adrian Peterson (who I like as a late round flyer) and a 5'7" rookie in Garrett Wolfe are behind him.I can see doubting his ability to hold up, but I doubt his teammates' opinions of him will affect how much success he has this year.

Just MHO.

I was just giving examples of why his ADP is low. Im sure his teammates have embraced him, but in the FFL community, things like that affect ADP

 

[Q-Bert]

I got these ADPs last week off AntSports.com before the 2nd preseason games but they shouldnt have changed much.

Brandon Jacobs- 3.06 - OK whether you are a believer of Jacobs or not, the 3rd round seems kind of high for a RB on a bad team with an average OLine and a RB that may steal carries in Droughns. Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a fulltime back like Green, Lewis, or Williams in the 4th or 5th rounds? Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a RB with much more upside like Peterson or Lynch in the 4th round?

Cedric Benson- 3.04- Full time back on a running team with no competition for his job and a great OLine and hes grouped with guys like Jacobs in the 3rd round? Makes no sense. Whether you think Benson is good shouldnt he still be drafted in the 2nd round with guys like Brown, Jones-Drew, and Jones?

Jerious Norwood- 5.04- Who would you rather have in the 5th round? A RB in a RBBC who is not the goalline back on a bad team or a RB with the fulltime job like Lewis, Williams, or Green? Sure you can talk all you want about Norwood's upside but give me the RBs that will get all the opportunites over somebody who where if everything goes just right he will be a RB2.

Chad Johnson- 2.05- People are still drafting him as the #1 WR off the board? Did they not pay attention to last year? Or did they just look at his final numbers? Hes not even the #1 WR on his own team (IMO)

Lee Evans- 4.06- IMO he should be going in the 3rd round with the other stud WRs cuz thats what he is. I am shocked to see people would take the likes of Colston, Moss, TJ Housh, AJohnson, and Boldin over him. Currently all those WRs are being picked ahead of him.

Joey Galloway- 7.08- WOW! Is 1000 yds and 7 TDs that out of the question for him? Yet people are taking similarly projected WRs like Burress in the 4th round. And WRs like Clayton, Branch, and Chambers are all being selected ahead of him. WTF?

This is where you lost me. I like Evans, but every single one of the WRs you cite should put up better numbers than him this season, aside from AJohnson, and even he could.

This is where you lost me. Lee Evans put up better numbers than every single one of those WR last year. Why is this year going to be any different?Name 2006 Rank

Lee Evans 7

TJ Housh 11

Marques Colston 14

Anquan Boldin 17

Andre Johonson 18

Moss (Santana) 27 (Randy) 59

 

[PahtyTom]

Taking Boldin, Andre, or Randy Moss ahead of Evans is

 

[Leroy's Aces]

I got these ADPs last week off AntSports.com before the 2nd preseason games but they shouldnt have changed much.

Brandon Jacobs- 3.06 - OK whether you are a believer of Jacobs or not, the 3rd round seems kind of high for a RB on a bad team with an average OLine and a RB that may steal carries in Droughns. Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a fulltime back like Green, Lewis, or Williams in the 4th or 5th rounds? Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a RB with much more upside like Peterson or Lynch in the 4th round?

Cedric Benson- 3.04- Full time back on a running team with no competition for his job and a great OLine and hes grouped with guys like Jacobs in the 3rd round? Makes no sense. Whether you think Benson is good shouldnt he still be drafted in the 2nd round with guys like Brown, Jones-Drew, and Jones?

Jerious Norwood- 5.04- Who would you rather have in the 5th round? A RB in a RBBC who is not the goalline back on a bad team or a RB with the fulltime job like Lewis, Williams, or Green? Sure you can talk all you want about Norwood's upside but give me the RBs that will get all the opportunites over somebody who where if everything goes just right he will be a RB2.

Chad Johnson- 2.05- People are still drafting him as the #1 WR off the board? Did they not pay attention to last year? Or did they just look at his final numbers? Hes not even the #1 WR on his own team (IMO)

Lee Evans- 4.06- IMO he should be going in the 3rd round with the other stud WRs cuz thats what he is. I am shocked to see people would take the likes of Colston, Moss, TJ Housh, AJohnson, and Boldin over him. Currently all those WRs are being picked ahead of him.

Joey Galloway- 7.08- WOW! Is 1000 yds and 7 TDs that out of the question for him? Yet people are taking similarly projected WRs like Burress in the 4th round. And WRs like Clayton, Branch, and Chambers are all being selected ahead of him. WTF?

This is where you lost me. I like Evans, but every single one of the WRs you cite should put up better numbers than him this season, aside from AJohnson, and even he could.

This is where you lost me. Lee Evans put up better numbers than every single one of those WR last year. Why is this year going to be any different?Name 2006 Rank

Lee Evans 7

TJ Housh 11

Marques Colston 14

Anquan Boldin 17

Andre Johonson 18

Moss (Santana) 27 (Randy) 59

Just for argument's sake (because I like Evans)Evans has a tougher schedule than last year. Buffalo could really struggle this year and not score too often. Losman is still not considered a high quality NFL QB.

Housh missed two games to start the year and will get more targets with Henry out. Palmer is a pro bowl QB on a top 5 offense.

Colston also missed time and will likely be a more complete WR in year two. Brees is a pro bowl QB on a top 5 offense.

Boldin only had 4 TDs last year, but often left the field in the red zone as Denny Green ran many 1 WR sets down there. Whiz says Boldin will be the "Hines Ward" of this offense.

Andre also had low TD numbers, but is a go to guy on a team with a poor defense and probably improved QB, O-line and running back play. The offense should be better overall which will lead to more scoring chance for him. Great red zone guy, unlike Lee Evans.

As I said, I like Lee Evans, too, but one can make arguments supporting those other guys pretty easily.

 

[Q-Bert]

Just for argument's sake (because I like Evans)

Evans has a tougher schedule than last year. Buffalo could really struggle this year and not score too often. Losman is still not considered a high quality NFL QB.

This isn't true. According to the FBG's strength of schedule Buffalo's WR SOS is significantly easier than last year. Losman certainly isn't consider worse than he was prior to last season.

Housh missed two games to start the year and will get more targets with Henry out. Palmer is a pro bowl QB on a top 5 offense.

Other than Henry being out this isn't any different from last year. And, I'm not convinced that Henry being out is going to result in better production for anyone. They may just score less than they did last year.

Colston also missed time and will likely be a more complete WR in year two. Brees is a pro bowl QB on a top 5 offense.

You might have an argument here, but I would say that Colston is one of the highest risk WR in the top 20. I would like to see more than a partial year sample before I place him ahead of a more proven player.

Boldin only had 4 TDs last year, but often left the field in the red zone as Denny Green ran many 1 WR sets down there. Whiz says Boldin will be the "Hines Ward" of this offense.

Lee Evans beat the "Hines Ward" of Pittsburgh's offense too. And, it's not like Boldin has been a big TD scorer since Larry Fitz has entered the league. If Arizona really runs the offense they are claiming to want, I really don't see any way that Boldin approaches Evans' production.

Andre also had low TD numbers, but is a go to guy on a team with a poor defense and probably improved QB, O-line and running back play. The offense should be better overall which will lead to more scoring chance for him. Great red zone guy, unlike Lee Evans.

Andre Johnson is a horrible red zone guy. Check out this blog post by Jason Wood. Andre Johnson is horrible at scoring touchdowns. Just horrible. He has scored 17 TDs in 4 years. Evans has scored 24 in 3.

As I said, I like Lee Evans, too, but one can make arguments supporting those other guys pretty easily.

The thing is that Lee Evans is one of the most underrated players in the game. His production has been simply amazing in his first three years. He produced good to great numbers in his first two years when he was getting very limited targets, and when in year three his targets increased significantly, he was able to maintain his outstanding per target production. Lee Evans is a superstar.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Lee Evans is a superstar.

If he isn't he's really close. He was a beast in the second half of the season. Even if you don't count his 260 yard game against the Texans he still played at a top-10 wr level. That's the thing though. He had over 260 yards and most of it was in one half. Not just anybody can do that. Plus with JP Losman getting better as a quarterback and the Bills having no one else to get the ball to I think the sky's the limit with Lee Evans this season.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Taking Boldin, Andre, or Randy Moss ahead of Evans is

not really. only randy moss should go after him IMO

 

[cstu]

I got these ADPs last week off AntSports.com before the 2nd preseason games but they shouldnt have changed much.Brandon Jacobs- 3.06 - OK whether you are a believer of Jacobs or not, the 3rd round seems kind of high for a RB on a bad team with an average OLine and a RB that may steal carries in Droughns. Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a fulltime back like Green, Lewis, or Williams in the 4th or 5th rounds? Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a RB with much more upside like Peterson or Lynch in the 4th round?Cedric Benson- 3.04- Full time back on a running team with no competition for his job and a great OLine and hes grouped with guys like Jacobs in the 3rd round? Makes no sense. Whether you think Benson is good shouldnt he still be drafted in the 2nd round with guys like Brown, Jones-Drew, and Jones?Jerious Norwood- 5.04- Who would you rather have in the 5th round? A RB in a RBBC who is not the goalline back on a bad team or a RB with the fulltime job like Lewis, Williams, or Green? Sure you can talk all you want about Norwood's upside but give me the RBs that will get all the opportunites over somebody who where if everything goes just right he will be a RB2.Chad Johnson- 2.05- People are still drafting him as the #1 WR off the board? Did they not pay attention to last year? Or did they just look at his final numbers? Hes not even the #1 WR on his own team (IMO)Lee Evans- 4.06- IMO he should be going in the 3rd round with the other stud WRs cuz thats what he is. I am shocked to see people would take the likes of Colston, Moss, TJ Housh, AJohnson, and Boldin over him. Currently all those WRs are being picked ahead of him.Joey Galloway- 7.08- WOW! Is 1000 yds and 7 TDs that out of the question for him? Yet people are taking similarly projected WRs like Burress in the 4th round. And WRs like Clayton, Branch, and Chambers are all being selected ahead of him. WTF?

Jacobs - not sold on him as an every down back even though he should get a good number of TD's. IMO there's too much risk for him in the early 3rd.Benson - I have mixed feelings about him - he's got the skills and opportunity so the only thing stopping is himself. The uncertainty is mainly on the fact that he's unproven as a starter. I think early 3rd is just right for him, though I will admit he's likely to outproduce his ADP.Norwood - 5th round is great value if you believe he's going take over the starting job around playoff time when it really counts. CJ - Chad has an off year last year but there's no other WR I'd rather have since he has everything going for him. Evans - Agree on Evans, he's like the red-headed stepchild of WR's. I think everyone knows he's good but he doesn't have the name value playing in Buffalo.Galloway - should be a good value, but you have to figure age will catch up to him sometime. I like where he's being drafted.

 

[cstu]

Taking Boldin, Andre, or Randy Moss ahead of Evans is

not really. only randy moss should go after him IMO

Boldin - Has a more ball-control offense this year and is playing opposite a better TD guy. He will put up good numbers but there's no way he's better pick than Evans.AJ - hasn't produced over 1200 yards yet and now has a new QB who is a complete unknown. I'm optimistic about him, but he's a bigger risk than Evans who has great chemistry with his QB.Moss - shouldn't even be in this neighborhood.

 

[Jeff Haseley]

I wrote an article available to subscribers about the stats of comparing WRs (as well as RBs) using certain statistics from the 2006 season. It might shed some light into which WRs might be better picks than others. WR comparisons

 

[Keg]

Chad Johnson- 2.05- People are still drafting him as the #1 WR off the board? Did they not pay attention to last year? Or did they just look at his final numbers? Hes not even the #1 WR on his own team (IMO)Lee Evans- 4.06- IMO he should be going in the 3rd round with the other stud WRs cuz thats what he is. I am shocked to see people would take the likes of Colston, Moss, TJ Housh, AJohnson, and Boldin over him. Currently all those WRs are being picked ahead of him.

just curious what criteria you use to say Evans is a stud but then question when CJ is taken because you infer that he isnt a stud in Evans top 3 yardage games he gained 40% of his yards for the yr....CJ in his top 3 yardage games gained 41% of his yardsevans top fantasy point game accounted for 20% of his yearly totalCJs top fantasy point game accounted for 19.5% of his yearly totalCJ plays with a TOP 3 Fantasy QBEvans plays with JP ####### LOSMAN

 

[switz]

I got these ADPs last week off AntSports.com before the 2nd preseason games but they shouldnt have changed much.

Brandon Jacobs- 3.06 - OK whether you are a believer of Jacobs or not, the 3rd round seems kind of high for a RB on a bad team with an average OLine and a RB that may steal carries in Droughns. Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a fulltime back like Green, Lewis, or Williams in the 4th or 5th rounds? Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a RB with much more upside like Peterson or Lynch in the 4th round?

Cedric Benson- 3.04- Full time back on a running team with no competition for his job and a great OLine and hes grouped with guys like Jacobs in the 3rd round? Makes no sense. Whether you think Benson is good shouldnt he still be drafted in the 2nd round with guys like Brown, Jones-Drew, and Jones?

Jerious Norwood- 5.04- Who would you rather have in the 5th round? A RB in a RBBC who is not the goalline back on a bad team or a RB with the fulltime job like Lewis, Williams, or Green? Sure you can talk all you want about Norwood's upside but give me the RBs that will get all the opportunites over somebody who where if everything goes just right he will be a RB2.

Chad Johnson- 2.05- People are still drafting him as the #1 WR off the board? Did they not pay attention to last year? Or did they just look at his final numbers? Hes not even the #1 WR on his own team (IMO)

Lee Evans- 4.06- IMO he should be going in the 3rd round with the other stud WRs cuz thats what he is. I am shocked to see people would take the likes of Colston, Moss, TJ Housh, AJohnson, and Boldin over him. Currently all those WRs are being picked ahead of him.

Joey Galloway- 7.08- WOW! Is 1000 yds and 7 TDs that out of the question for him? Yet people are taking similarly projected WRs like Burress in the 4th round. And WRs like Clayton, Branch, and Chambers are all being selected ahead of him. WTF?

This is where you lost me. I like Evans, but every single one of the WRs you cite should put up better numbers than him this season, aside from AJohnson, and even he could.

This is where you lost me. Lee Evans put up better numbers than every single one of those WR last year. Why is this year going to be any different?Name 2006 Rank

Lee Evans 7

TJ Housh 11

Marques Colston 14

Anquan Boldin 17

Andre Johonson 18

Moss (Santana) 27 (Randy) 59

I expect Evans numbers to drop a bit, as I expect Losman to develop and not lock onto him as much as he did last year, as well as Reed and PArrish developing. In addition, Lynch I feel will be a better receiver than McGahee and so will also take touches from Evans. Hey I like Evans, and I hope I'm wrong.On the other hand, I see most of the other guys improving this season.

 

[Sleeper 43]

I got these ADPs last week off AntSports.com before the 2nd preseason games but they shouldnt have changed much.Brandon Jacobs- 3.06 - OK whether you are a believer of Jacobs or not, the 3rd round seems kind of high for a RB on a bad team with an average OLine and a RB that may steal carries in Droughns. Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a fulltime back like Green, Lewis, or Williams in the 4th or 5th rounds? Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a RB with much more upside like Peterson or Lynch in the 4th round?Cedric Benson- 3.04- Full time back on a running team with no competition for his job and a great OLine and hes grouped with guys like Jacobs in the 3rd round? Makes no sense. Whether you think Benson is good shouldnt he still be drafted in the 2nd round with guys like Brown, Jones-Drew, and Jones?Jerious Norwood- 5.04- Who would you rather have in the 5th round? A RB in a RBBC who is not the goalline back on a bad team or a RB with the fulltime job like Lewis, Williams, or Green? Sure you can talk all you want about Norwood's upside but give me the RBs that will get all the opportunites over somebody who where if everything goes just right he will be a RB2.Chad Johnson- 2.05- People are still drafting him as the #1 WR off the board? Did they not pay attention to last year? Or did they just look at his final numbers? Hes not even the #1 WR on his own team (IMO)Lee Evans- 4.06- IMO he should be going in the 3rd round with the other stud WRs cuz thats what he is. I am shocked to see people would take the likes of Colston, Moss, TJ Housh, AJohnson, and Boldin over him. Currently all those WRs are being picked ahead of him.Joey Galloway- 7.08- WOW! Is 1000 yds and 7 TDs that out of the question for him? Yet people are taking similarly projected WRs like Burress in the 4th round. And WRs like Clayton, Branch, and Chambers are all being selected ahead of him. WTF?

Norwood is the clear RB 1 in ATL and has the game-breaking speed . Yes Vick hurts but Norwood led the league in TD's over 60 yards last year in LIMITED play. Hes also bulked up this off-season to prepare for 20 carries a game.Im also curious how Harrington is percieved as a blow to Norwoods potential vs Vick. I'd imagine its a better situation since Harrington is more than likely a better pure passer than Vick was therefore maybe opening up the run game more.

 

[Irish]

I got these ADPs last week off AntSports.com before the 2nd preseason games but they shouldnt have changed much.

Brandon Jacobs- 3.06 - OK whether you are a believer of Jacobs or not, the 3rd round seems kind of high for a RB on a bad team with an average OLine and a RB that may steal carries in Droughns. Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a fulltime back like Green, Lewis, or Williams in the 4th or 5th rounds? Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a RB with much more upside like Peterson or Lynch in the 4th round?

Cedric Benson- 3.04- Full time back on a running team with no competition for his job and a great OLine and hes grouped with guys like Jacobs in the 3rd round? Makes no sense. Whether you think Benson is good shouldnt he still be drafted in the 2nd round with guys like Brown, Jones-Drew, and Jones?

Jerious Norwood- 5.04- Who would you rather have in the 5th round? A RB in a RBBC who is not the goalline back on a bad team or a RB with the fulltime job like Lewis, Williams, or Green? Sure you can talk all you want about Norwood's upside but give me the RBs that will get all the opportunites over somebody who where if everything goes just right he will be a RB2.

Chad Johnson- 2.05- People are still drafting him as the #1 WR off the board? Did they not pay attention to last year? Or did they just look at his final numbers? Hes not even the #1 WR on his own team (IMO)

Lee Evans- 4.06- IMO he should be going in the 3rd round with the other stud WRs cuz thats what he is. I am shocked to see people would take the likes of Colston, Moss, TJ Housh, AJohnson, and Boldin over him. Currently all those WRs are being picked ahead of him.

Joey Galloway- 7.08- WOW! Is 1000 yds and 7 TDs that out of the question for him? Yet people are taking similarly projected WRs like Burress in the 4th round. And WRs like Clayton, Branch, and Chambers are all being selected ahead of him. WTF?

Norwood is the clear RB 1 in ATL and has the game-breaking speed . Yes Vick hurts but Norwood led the league in TD's over 60 yards last year in LIMITED play. Hes also bulked up this off-season to prepare for 20 carries a game.Im also curious how Harrington is percieved as a blow to Norwoods potential vs Vick. I'd imagine its a better situation since Harrington is more than likely a better pure passer than Vick was therefore maybe opening up the run game more.

Did Warrick Dunn die?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Chad Johnson- 2.05- People are still drafting him as the #1 WR off the board? Did they not pay attention to last year? Or did they just look at his final numbers? Hes not even the #1 WR on his own team (IMO)

Oh thank goodness. I thought I was the only who thought this was insane.

 

[tamales]

Chad Johnson- 2.05- People are still drafting him as the #1 WR off the board? Did they not pay attention to last year? Or did they just look at his final numbers? Hes not even the #1 WR on his own team (IMO)Lee Evans- 4.06- IMO he should be going in the 3rd round with the other stud WRs cuz thats what he is. I am shocked to see people would take the likes of Colston, Moss, TJ Housh, AJohnson, and Boldin over him. Currently all those WRs are being picked ahead of him.

just curious what criteria you use to say Evans is a stud but then question when CJ is taken because you infer that he isnt a stud in Evans top 3 yardage games he gained 40% of his yards for the yr....CJ in his top 3 yardage games gained 41% of his yardsevans top fantasy point game accounted for 20% of his yearly totalCJs top fantasy point game accounted for 19.5% of his yearly totalCJ plays with a TOP 3 Fantasy QBEvans plays with JP ####### LOSMAN

When did I not call him a stud? I just said I dont think he should be the 1st WR taken.

 

[tick dog]

Curious, which Williams do you keep referring to as a "fulltime" back...DeAngelo? He's not only in a RBBC, but Foster is the starter on paper. Sure, he's got the upside but BOTH of these guys are injury prone and will likely cancel each other out unless one (miraculously) stays healthy all year. If you believe in fulltime backs like Ahman and Lewis, that's obviously your prerogative, but I don't think Williams is one of those.

Cadillac

Ah, yes, my mistake...I agree that Cadillac is a bit undervalued this year.

 

[Sleeper 43]

I got these ADPs last week off AntSports.com before the 2nd preseason games but they shouldnt have changed much.

Brandon Jacobs- 3.06 - OK whether you are a believer of Jacobs or not, the 3rd round seems kind of high for a RB on a bad team with an average OLine and a RB that may steal carries in Droughns. Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a fulltime back like Green, Lewis, or Williams in the 4th or 5th rounds? Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a RB with much more upside like Peterson or Lynch in the 4th round?

Cedric Benson- 3.04- Full time back on a running team with no competition for his job and a great OLine and hes grouped with guys like Jacobs in the 3rd round? Makes no sense. Whether you think Benson is good shouldnt he still be drafted in the 2nd round with guys like Brown, Jones-Drew, and Jones?

Jerious Norwood- 5.04- Who would you rather have in the 5th round? A RB in a RBBC who is not the goalline back on a bad team or a RB with the fulltime job like Lewis, Williams, or Green? Sure you can talk all you want about Norwood's upside but give me the RBs that will get all the opportunites over somebody who where if everything goes just right he will be a RB2.

Chad Johnson- 2.05- People are still drafting him as the #1 WR off the board? Did they not pay attention to last year? Or did they just look at his final numbers? Hes not even the #1 WR on his own team (IMO)

Lee Evans- 4.06- IMO he should be going in the 3rd round with the other stud WRs cuz thats what he is. I am shocked to see people would take the likes of Colston, Moss, TJ Housh, AJohnson, and Boldin over him. Currently all those WRs are being picked ahead of him.

Joey Galloway- 7.08- WOW! Is 1000 yds and 7 TDs that out of the question for him? Yet people are taking similarly projected WRs like Burress in the 4th round. And WRs like Clayton, Branch, and Chambers are all being selected ahead of him. WTF?

Norwood is the clear RB 1 in ATL and has the game-breaking speed . Yes Vick hurts but Norwood led the league in TD's over 60 yards last year in LIMITED play. Hes also bulked up this off-season to prepare for 20 carries a game.Im also curious how Harrington is percieved as a blow to Norwoods potential vs Vick. I'd imagine its a better situation since Harrington is more than likely a better pure passer than Vick was therefore maybe opening up the run game more.

Did Warrick Dunn die?

He's younger,faster,stronger,bigger than DunnNorwood's role was expanded as the season went on last year because he was more dangerous on the field.

Being conservative,I see no reason why he cant maintain at least half the carries. I expect 50/50 at first and then an eventual shift to 75/25 in Norwoods favor.

One is on the rise and one is on the fall.

 

[Irish]

I got these ADPs last week off AntSports.com before the 2nd preseason games but they shouldnt have changed much.

Brandon Jacobs- 3.06 - OK whether you are a believer of Jacobs or not, the 3rd round seems kind of high for a RB on a bad team with an average OLine and a RB that may steal carries in Droughns. Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a fulltime back like Green, Lewis, or Williams in the 4th or 5th rounds? Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a RB with much more upside like Peterson or Lynch in the 4th round?

Cedric Benson- 3.04- Full time back on a running team with no competition for his job and a great OLine and hes grouped with guys like Jacobs in the 3rd round? Makes no sense. Whether you think Benson is good shouldnt he still be drafted in the 2nd round with guys like Brown, Jones-Drew, and Jones?

Jerious Norwood- 5.04- Who would you rather have in the 5th round? A RB in a RBBC who is not the goalline back on a bad team or a RB with the fulltime job like Lewis, Williams, or Green? Sure you can talk all you want about Norwood's upside but give me the RBs that will get all the opportunites over somebody who where if everything goes just right he will be a RB2.

Chad Johnson- 2.05- People are still drafting him as the #1 WR off the board? Did they not pay attention to last year? Or did they just look at his final numbers? Hes not even the #1 WR on his own team (IMO)

Lee Evans- 4.06- IMO he should be going in the 3rd round with the other stud WRs cuz thats what he is. I am shocked to see people would take the likes of Colston, Moss, TJ Housh, AJohnson, and Boldin over him. Currently all those WRs are being picked ahead of him.

Joey Galloway- 7.08- WOW! Is 1000 yds and 7 TDs that out of the question for him? Yet people are taking similarly projected WRs like Burress in the 4th round. And WRs like Clayton, Branch, and Chambers are all being selected ahead of him. WTF?

Norwood is the clear RB 1 in ATL and has the game-breaking speed . Yes Vick hurts but Norwood led the league in TD's over 60 yards last year in LIMITED play. Hes also bulked up this off-season to prepare for 20 carries a game.Im also curious how Harrington is percieved as a blow to Norwoods potential vs Vick. I'd imagine its a better situation since Harrington is more than likely a better pure passer than Vick was therefore maybe opening up the run game more.

Did Warrick Dunn die?

He's younger,faster,stronger,bigger than DunnNorwood's role was expanded as the season went on last year because he was more dangerous on the field.

Being conservative,I see no reason why he cant maintain at least half the carries. I expect 50/50 at first and then an eventual shift to 75/25 in Norwoods favor.

One is on the rise and one is on the fall.

That is a whole lot different definition for Clear cut #1 rb than mine.

 

[Keg]

Chad Johnson- 2.05- People are still drafting him as the #1 WR off the board? Did they not pay attention to last year? Or did they just look at his final numbers? Hes not even the #1 WR on his own team (IMO)

Lee Evans- 4.06- IMO he should be going in the 3rd round with the other stud WRs cuz thats what he is. I am shocked to see people would take the likes of Colston, Moss, TJ Housh, AJohnson, and Boldin over him. Currently all those WRs are being picked ahead of him.

just curious what criteria you use to say Evans is a stud but then question where CJ is taken because you infer that he isnt a stud in Evans top 3 yardage games he gained 40% of his yards for the yr....

CJ in his top 3 yardage games gained 41% of his yards

evans top fantasy point game accounted for 20% of his yearly total

CJs top fantasy point game accounted for 19.5% of his yearly total

CJ plays with a TOP 3 Fantasy QB

Evans plays with JP ####### LOSMAN

When did I not call him a stud? I just said I dont think he should be the 1st WR taken.

i said you INFERRED that he isnt a stud....and granted that a team can have 2 STUD WRs but like I said i think you INFERRED IT...only time will tell but it just seems as if you are giving flack to CJ yet ignoring your same concerns with regards to evans...but hey you can question anything you want to because that is your right

 

[Sleeper 43]

I got these ADPs last week off AntSports.com before the 2nd preseason games but they shouldnt have changed much.

Brandon Jacobs- 3.06 - OK whether you are a believer of Jacobs or not, the 3rd round seems kind of high for a RB on a bad team with an average OLine and a RB that may steal carries in Droughns. Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a fulltime back like Green, Lewis, or Williams in the 4th or 5th rounds? Why reach for Jacobs in the 3rd round when you can grab a RB with much more upside like Peterson or Lynch in the 4th round?

Cedric Benson- 3.04- Full time back on a running team with no competition for his job and a great OLine and hes grouped with guys like Jacobs in the 3rd round? Makes no sense. Whether you think Benson is good shouldnt he still be drafted in the 2nd round with guys like Brown, Jones-Drew, and Jones?

Jerious Norwood- 5.04- Who would you rather have in the 5th round? A RB in a RBBC who is not the goalline back on a bad team or a RB with the fulltime job like Lewis, Williams, or Green? Sure you can talk all you want about Norwood's upside but give me the RBs that will get all the opportunites over somebody who where if everything goes just right he will be a RB2.

Chad Johnson- 2.05- People are still drafting him as the #1 WR off the board? Did they not pay attention to last year? Or did they just look at his final numbers? Hes not even the #1 WR on his own team (IMO)

Lee Evans- 4.06- IMO he should be going in the 3rd round with the other stud WRs cuz thats what he is. I am shocked to see people would take the likes of Colston, Moss, TJ Housh, AJohnson, and Boldin over him. Currently all those WRs are being picked ahead of him.

Joey Galloway- 7.08- WOW! Is 1000 yds and 7 TDs that out of the question for him? Yet people are taking similarly projected WRs like Burress in the 4th round. And WRs like Clayton, Branch, and Chambers are all being selected ahead of him. WTF?

Norwood is the clear RB 1 in ATL and has the game-breaking speed . Yes Vick hurts but Norwood led the league in TD's over 60 yards last year in LIMITED play. Hes also bulked up this off-season to prepare for 20 carries a game.Im also curious how Harrington is percieved as a blow to Norwoods potential vs Vick. I'd imagine its a better situation since Harrington is more than likely a better pure passer than Vick was therefore maybe opening up the run game more.

Did Warrick Dunn die?

He's younger,faster,stronger,bigger than DunnNorwood's role was expanded as the season went on last year because he was more dangerous on the field.

Being conservative,I see no reason why he cant maintain at least half the carries. I expect 50/50 at first and then an eventual shift to 75/25 in Norwoods favor.

One is on the rise and one is on the fall.

That is a whole lot different definition for Clear cut #1 rb than mine.

Just sig bet me and we'll get this over with. I'm saying Norwood ends the season with better numbers than Dunn any scoring format you want.

 

[BroadwayG]

Does antsports still have a 95% abandon rate on their mocks?

 

[tamales]

I actually did an ADP of "Real Drafts" last night and most of these #s didnt change much. The biggest change was Jacobs going in the 4th round which makes more sense.