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Something Weird Is Happening on Mars... (1 Viewer)

Sarnoff

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http://www.space.com/24330-mars-rover-mystery-rock-appears.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nasa-says-mars-mystery-rock-that-appeared-from-nowhere-is-like-nothing-weve-ever-seen-before-9070323.html

Colorized pic in the 2nd link...

A mysterious rock which appeared in front of the Opportunity rover is “like nothing we’ve ever seen before”, according to Mars exploration scientists at Nasa.
Experts said they were “completely confused” by both the origins and makeup of the object, which is currently being investigated by Opportunity’s various measuring instruments.

Astronomers noticed the new rock had “appeared” without any explanation on an outcrop which had been empty just days earlier. The rover has been stuck photographing the same region of Mars for more than a month due to bad weather, with scientists at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in California monitoring the images it sends.

Nasa issued a Mars status report entitled “encountering a surprise”, and lead Mars Exploration rover scientist Steve Squyres told a JPL event it seems the planet literally “keeps throwing new things at us”.

He said the images, from 12 Martian days apart, were from no more than a couple of weeks ago. “We saw this rock just sitting here. It looks white around the edge in the middle and there’s a low spot in the centre that’s dark red – it looks like a jelly doughnut.

“And it appeared, just plain appeared at that spot – and we haven’t ever driven over that spot.”

Squyres said his team had two theories on how the rock got there – that there’s “a smoking hole in the ground somewhere nearby” and it was caused by a meteor, or that it was “somehow flicked out of the ground by a wheel” as the rover went by.

“We had driven a metre or two away from here, and I think the idea that somehow we mysteriously flicked it with a wheel is the best explanation,” Squyres said.

Yet the story got even stranger when Opportunity investigated further. Squyres explained: “We are as we speak situated with the rover’s instruments deployed making measurements of this rock.

“We’ve taken pictures of both the doughnut and jelly parts, and the got the first data on the composition of the jelly yesterday.

“It’s like nothing we’ve ever seen before,” he said. “It’s very high in sulphur, it’s very high in magnesium, it’s got twice as much manganese as we’ve ever seen in anything on Mars.

“I don’t know what any of this means. We’re completely confused, and everyone in the team is arguing and fighting (over what it means).

“That’s the beauty of this mission… what I’ve realised is that we will never be finished. There will always be something tantalising, something wonderful just beyond our reach that we didn’t quite get to – and that’s the nature of exploration.”

Squyres was speaking at an event marking the 10th anniversary of the arrival of Opportunity and Spirit on the surface of Mars.

While Spirit lost contact with Earth and was later declared “dead” in 2010, Opportunity has now roamed the planet far in excess of what was originally planned as a three-month mission. Nasa said that with its maximum speed of just 0.05mph, as of “Sol 3547” (15 January 2014) Opportunity had covered just over 24 miles (38km).
Cliffs Notes: Somehow, a rock (called "Pinnacle Rock") just showed up out of nowhere a couple of feet in front of the Opportunity Rover. The rover hasn't moved in a month, yet a rock unlike anything else known to have ever been found on Mars is in front of it, in the exact spot that had been previously photographed as empty. Cool thing is that it's upside down, so the part we can see hasn't seen daylight in probably a billion years.

So, either a meteor hit just a bit away from the Rover and blasted this thing at it, but just missed, or, some Martian punk is hucking rocks at our rover. :hot:

 
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Someone at NASA is going to get fired over this. How dare this person leave their jelly breakfast donut on the sound stage. Big trouble.

 
This makes sense to me:

it was “somehow flicked out of the ground by a wheel” as the rover went by.

“We had driven a metre or two away from here, and I think the idea that somehow we mysteriously flicked it with a wheel is the best explanation,” Squyres said.
I don't understand the meteor / "smoking hole" thing.

 
This makes sense to me:

it was “somehow flicked out of the ground by a wheel” as the rover went by.

“We had driven a metre or two away from here, and I think the idea that somehow we mysteriously flicked it with a wheel is the best explanation,” Squyres said.
I don't understand the meteor / "smoking hole" thing.
Yeah, but if it was just an ordinary surface rock that had been dislodged by the wheel... why is it so different from the ordinary surface rocks? It should have the same chemical composition. Unless the Rover just so happened to accidentally kick up the only rock like this on the entire surface of the planet by coincidence. Right?

 
The rover has a bad wheel and they have trouble steering it. It easily could have dislodged a nearby rock on its last pass.

It's hilarious that it says they have no idea how it got there...right before offering several explanations for exactly how it could have ended up there.

 
This makes sense to me:

it was “somehow flicked out of the ground by a wheel” as the rover went by.

“We had driven a metre or two away from here, and I think the idea that somehow we mysteriously flicked it with a wheel is the best explanation,” Squyres said.
I don't understand the meteor / "smoking hole" thing.
Yeah, but if it was just an ordinary surface rock that had been dislodged by the wheel... why is it so different from the ordinary surface rocks? It should have the same chemical composition. Unless the Rover just so happened to accidentally kick up the only rock like this on the entire surface of the planet by coincidence. Right?
“It’s like nothing we’ve ever seen before,” he said. “It’s very high in sulphur, it’s very high in magnesium, it’s got twice as much manganese as we’ve ever seen in anything on Mars.
Huh, yeah I missed that part.

:coffee:

 
It's hilarious that it says they have no idea how it got there...right before offering several explanations for exactly how it could have ended up there.
Yeah, but, neither explanation is that great. Either the rover's wheel just so happened to kick up the only jelly doughnut-like rock on the entire planet, or, while the camera was stuck taking a picture of the exact same spot over and over again for a month, a meteor just so happened to hit nearby and drop one and only one rock right in the eight square-foot area below the camera. No ejecta, no dust, no trails... just one rock dropped right in front of the lens and that's it. Basically, the odds of that happening are about the same as dropping a dart out of an airplane 30,000 feet over the Pacific Northwest and hitting Bigfoot with it... I mean, we've all got cell phone cameras and camcorders have been around for decades, and we've only caught one or two real meteor strikes on film, ever... that big one in Russia a couple years back, maybe another... and how many others? Crazy to think how unlikely it is we drop a camera on another planet and happen to catch just the slightest indication of one while we're there.

 
I've often wondered if all the money we dedicate to NASA was worth it but now that they have found a jelly donut I realize it is well spent.

 
Sarnoff said:
GroveDiesel said:
It's hilarious that it says they have no idea how it got there...right before offering several explanations for exactly how it could have ended up there.
Yeah, but, neither explanation is that great. Either the rover's wheel just so happened to kick up the only jelly doughnut-like rock on the entire planet, or, while the camera was stuck taking a picture of the exact same spot over and over again for a month, a meteor just so happened to hit nearby and drop one and only one rock right in the eight square-foot area below the camera. No ejecta, no dust, no trails... just one rock dropped right in front of the lens and that's it. Basically, the odds of that happening are about the same as dropping a dart out of an airplane 30,000 feet over the Pacific Northwest and hitting Bigfoot with it... I mean, we've all got cell phone cameras and camcorders have been around for decades, and we've only caught one or two real meteor strikes on film, ever... that big one in Russia a couple years back, maybe another... and how many others? Crazy to think how unlikely it is we drop a camera on another planet and happen to catch just the slightest indication of one while we're there.
You seem very excited by this. Why?

 
Sarnoff said:
GroveDiesel said:
It's hilarious that it says they have no idea how it got there...right before offering several explanations for exactly how it could have ended up there.
Yeah, but, neither explanation is that great. Either the rover's wheel just so happened to kick up the only jelly doughnut-like rock on the entire planet, or, while the camera was stuck taking a picture of the exact same spot over and over again for a month, a meteor just so happened to hit nearby and drop one and only one rock right in the eight square-foot area below the camera. No ejecta, no dust, no trails... just one rock dropped right in front of the lens and that's it. Basically, the odds of that happening are about the same as dropping a dart out of an airplane 30,000 feet over the Pacific Northwest and hitting Bigfoot with it... I mean, we've all got cell phone cameras and camcorders have been around for decades, and we've only caught one or two real meteor strikes on film, ever... that big one in Russia a couple years back, maybe another... and how many others? Crazy to think how unlikely it is we drop a camera on another planet and happen to catch just the slightest indication of one while we're there.
You seem very excited by this. Why?
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Well I would say the first problem we have is claiming this kind of rock is rare on Mars. We really don't know that. We have actually physically explored a very tiny percentage of the surface of Mars. And I mean surface quite literally. We have no idea what kind of stuff may be hidden even just several inches under the ground. So rare to us doesn't equal rare on Mars. As to how it got there, certainly if it was from off planet we would know that. We know when there are earthquakes we would know a meteor hit, So it seems the most likely way it got there was kicked up by the rover.

 
Well I would say the first problem we have is claiming this kind of rock is rare on Mars. We really don't know that. We have actually physically explored a very tiny percentage of the surface of Mars. And I mean surface quite literally. We have no idea what kind of stuff may be hidden even just several inches under the ground. So rare to us doesn't equal rare on Mars. As to how it got there, certainly if it was from off planet we would know that. We know when there are earthquakes we would know a meteor hit, So it seems the most likely way it got there was kicked up by the rover.
If it were common would we not have spotted it before now? We have labeled a number of minerals common already from the 24 miles the rover has covered. So in comparison to what we have already labeled common I suppose it is rare (in the area covered by the rover and other missions)

 
Well I would say the first problem we have is claiming this kind of rock is rare on Mars. We really don't know that. We have actually physically explored a very tiny percentage of the surface of Mars. And I mean surface quite literally. We have no idea what kind of stuff may be hidden even just several inches under the ground. So rare to us doesn't equal rare on Mars. As to how it got there, certainly if it was from off planet we would know that. We know when there are earthquakes we would know a meteor hit, So it seems the most likely way it got there was kicked up by the rover.
If it were common would we not have spotted it before now? We have labeled a number of minerals common already from the 24 miles the rover has covered. So in comparison to what we have already labeled common I suppose it is rare (in the area covered by the rover and other missions)
Not necessarily. It's not like we are digging. We are cataloging surface items.

 
Well I would say the first problem we have is claiming this kind of rock is rare on Mars. We really don't know that. We have actually physically explored a very tiny percentage of the surface of Mars. And I mean surface quite literally. We have no idea what kind of stuff may be hidden even just several inches under the ground. So rare to us doesn't equal rare on Mars. As to how it got there, certainly if it was from off planet we would know that. We know when there are earthquakes we would know a meteor hit, So it seems the most likely way it got there was kicked up by the rover.
If it were common would we not have spotted it before now? We have labeled a number of minerals common already from the 24 miles the rover has covered. So in comparison to what we have already labeled common I suppose it is rare (in the area covered by the rover and other missions)
What is 24 miles in terms of an entire planet? Look at earth. If you dig around in one 24 mile area, how much of a representation is that of the entire planet? And, as NCC said, they haven't really been digging.

The reality of the situation with Mars and every other planet out there (as well as the universe for that matter) is that we really don't know all that much.

 
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Well I would say the first problem we have is claiming this kind of rock is rare on Mars. We really don't know that. We have actually physically explored a very tiny percentage of the surface of Mars. And I mean surface quite literally. We have no idea what kind of stuff may be hidden even just several inches under the ground. So rare to us doesn't equal rare on Mars. As to how it got there, certainly if it was from off planet we would know that. We know when there are earthquakes we would know a meteor hit, So it seems the most likely way it got there was kicked up by the rover.
If it were common would we not have spotted it before now? We have labeled a number of minerals common already from the 24 miles the rover has covered. So in comparison to what we have already labeled common I suppose it is rare (in the area covered by the rover and other missions)
What is 24 miles in terms of an entire planet? Look at earth. If you dig around in one 24 mile area, how much of a representation is that of the entire planet? And, as NCC said, they haven't really been digging.

The reality of the situation with Mars and every other planet out there (as well as the universe for that matter) is that we really don't know all that much.
Still a lot we don't know about the one we have been living on.

 
Well I would say the first problem we have is claiming this kind of rock is rare on Mars. We really don't know that. We have actually physically explored a very tiny percentage of the surface of Mars. And I mean surface quite literally. We have no idea what kind of stuff may be hidden even just several inches under the ground. So rare to us doesn't equal rare on Mars. As to how it got there, certainly if it was from off planet we would know that. We know when there are earthquakes we would know a meteor hit, So it seems the most likely way it got there was kicked up by the rover.
If it were common would we not have spotted it before now? We have labeled a number of minerals common already from the 24 miles the rover has covered. So in comparison to what we have already labeled common I suppose it is rare (in the area covered by the rover and other missions)
What is 24 miles in terms of an entire planet? Look at earth. If you dig around in one 24 mile area, how much of a representation is that of the entire planet? And, as NCC said, they haven't really been digging.

The reality of the situation with Mars and every other planet out there (as well as the universe for that matter) is that we really don't know all that much.
We're not really discussing the whole planet here, only the parts the rover has covered and in that area not once has it seen this before. On the surface because that's where it looks. To me would be more odd that this incredible common mineral composition somehow always ends up under the rover's wheels...

 
Well I would say the first problem we have is claiming this kind of rock is rare on Mars. We really don't know that. We have actually physically explored a very tiny percentage of the surface of Mars. And I mean surface quite literally. We have no idea what kind of stuff may be hidden even just several inches under the ground. So rare to us doesn't equal rare on Mars. As to how it got there, certainly if it was from off planet we would know that. We know when there are earthquakes we would know a meteor hit, So it seems the most likely way it got there was kicked up by the rover.
If it were common would we not have spotted it before now? We have labeled a number of minerals common already from the 24 miles the rover has covered. So in comparison to what we have already labeled common I suppose it is rare (in the area covered by the rover and other missions)
What is 24 miles in terms of an entire planet? Look at earth. If you dig around in one 24 mile area, how much of a representation is that of the entire planet? And, as NCC said, they haven't really been digging.

The reality of the situation with Mars and every other planet out there (as well as the universe for that matter) is that we really don't know all that much.
We're not really discussing the whole planet here, only the parts the rover has covered and in that area not once has it seen this before. On the surface because that's where it looks. To me would be more odd that this incredible common mineral composition somehow always ends up under the rover's wheels...
Again we have no idea how common it is or isn't. There is simply to small a sample size of our knowledge of Martian geology.

 
GroveDiesel said:
The rover has a bad wheel and they have trouble steering it. It easily could have dislodged a nearby rock on its last pass.

It's hilarious that it says they have no idea how it got there...right before offering several explanations for exactly how it could have ended up there.
I thought it was the rover "Spirit" that had the bad wheels before it shutdown.

 
There are a lot of possibilities as to how a rock could end up there and ET is pretty low on the list.

Having said that, if we found a rover on Earth, would we mess with the folks on the other end and make them nuts?

 
There are a lot of possibilities as to how a rock could end up there and ET is pretty low on the list.

Having said that, if we found a rover on Earth, would we mess with the folks on the other end and make them nuts?
Pretty sure there would be a huge freakout by the usual suspects and then we would see what it would take to kill the people that sent the rover. Maybe after that we'd get to the horseplay.

 
GroveDiesel said:
The rover has a bad wheel and they have trouble steering it. It easily could have dislodged a nearby rock on its last pass.

It's hilarious that it says they have no idea how it got there...right before offering several explanations for exactly how it could have ended up there.
If the rover has a top speed of 0.05 mph, how is it going to dislodge a rock, flip it over, and have it land in this area where everything else hasn't been disturbed? Seems very unlikely to me.

 
GroveDiesel said:
The rover has a bad wheel and they have trouble steering it. It easily could have dislodged a nearby rock on its last pass.

It's hilarious that it says they have no idea how it got there...right before offering several explanations for exactly how it could have ended up there.
If the rover has a top speed of 0.05 mph, how is it going to dislodge a rock, flip it over, and have it land in this area where everything else hasn't been disturbed? Seems very unlikely to me.
But someone placing it there does seem likely? A meteorite that we didn't detect hitting the planet seems likely? Of those 3 choices the rover kicking it up seems most likely.

 
GroveDiesel said:
The rover has a bad wheel and they have trouble steering it. It easily could have dislodged a nearby rock on its last pass.

It's hilarious that it says they have no idea how it got there...right before offering several explanations for exactly how it could have ended up there.
If the rover has a top speed of 0.05 mph, how is it going to dislodge a rock, flip it over, and have it land in this area where everything else hasn't been disturbed? Seems very unlikely to me.
But someone placing it there does seem likely? A meteorite that we didn't detect hitting the planet seems likely? Of those 3 choices the rover kicking it up seems most likely.
Oh, I wasn't saying any of the other explanations seemed likely. In fact, the most likely thing I've seen suggested is some kind of wind phenomena.

 

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