Stallworth not expected to be resigned by the Eagles (1 Viewer)

[redman]

At first I was asking myself "What in the heck are they thinking?!" But then I realized what I've always said about Stallworth -- great talent and shows flashes of brilliance, but he just can NOT stay healthy for long. He's always had hammy problems. Check him out:

http://nfl.com/players/playerpage/302227

Two seasons are all he's played in 16 games (never started all 16 ever). I think he'd be a good #2, maybe even #1 if he could ever stay healthy..........

What's amazing to me from looking at that link is that better than one in four of his receptions goes for more than 20 yards. For perspective, TO's not close to claiming that and Randy Moss falls just short of it; the ratio is almost identical to Isaac Bruce's career numbers. Also, speaking of Bruce, Stallworth through his first five seasons has played in more games than Bruce did when Bruce suffered from . . . chronic hamstring issues.

To talk of Stallworth as if he's established himself as a bust or even as if he's established permanently that he can't stay healthy seems a bit cavalier. He's more explosive than almost any other WR you can find, and he was never more explosive than when paired with McNabb.

 

[Bri]

Also, speaking of Bruce, Stallworth through his first five seasons has played in more games than Bruce did when Bruce suffered from . . . chronic hamstring issues.

Games is one thing, production is another.Bruce also had a few 200 yard games by then too and an almost 1800 yard season. Hardly comparable IMO.

 

[KTM]

At first I was asking myself "What in the heck are they thinking?!" But then I realized what I've always said about Stallworth -- great talent and shows flashes of brilliance, but he just can NOT stay healthy for long. He's always had hammy problems. Check him out:

http://nfl.com/players/playerpage/302227

Two seasons are all he's played in 16 games (never started all 16 ever). I think he'd be a good #2, maybe even #1 if he could ever stay healthy..........

What's amazing to me from looking at that link is that better than one in four of his receptions goes for more than 20 yards. For perspective, TO's not close to claiming that and Randy Moss falls just short of it; the ratio is almost identical to Isaac Bruce's career numbers. Also, speaking of Bruce, Stallworth through his first five seasons has played in more games than Bruce did when Bruce suffered from . . . chronic hamstring issues.

To talk of Stallworth as if he's established himself as a bust or even as if he's established permanently that he can't stay healthy seems a bit cavalier. He's more explosive than almost any other WR you can find, and he was never more explosive than when paired with McNabb.

Exactly what I came here to say.

 

[JohnnyU]

Donte' Stallworth says he'd like to re-sign with the Eagles.

It still seems unlikely that Philadelphia will be able to pay him a $10-15 million signing bonus. Stallworth, whose agent is Drew Rosenhaus, also thinks he'd be "cheating" himself if he didn't test the market.

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

 

[Fear & Loathing]

At first I was asking myself "What in the heck are they thinking?!" But then I realized what I've always said about Stallworth -- great talent and shows flashes of brilliance, but he just can NOT stay healthy for long. He's always had hammy problems. Check him out:

http://nfl.com/players/playerpage/302227

Two seasons are all he's played in 16 games (never started all 16 ever). I think he'd be a good #2, maybe even #1 if he could ever stay healthy..........

What's amazing to me from looking at that link is that better than one in four of his receptions goes for more than 20 yards. For perspective, TO's not close to claiming that and Randy Moss falls just short of it; the ratio is almost identical to Isaac Bruce's career numbers. Also, speaking of Bruce, Stallworth through his first five seasons has played in more games than Bruce did when Bruce suffered from . . . chronic hamstring issues.

To talk of Stallworth as if he's established himself as a bust or even as if he's established permanently that he can't stay healthy seems a bit cavalier. He's more explosive than almost any other WR you can find, and he was never more explosive than when paired with McNabb.

Well that's certainly looking on the bright side. It's kind of awkward to compare Stallworth to Bruce considering that at this point in Bruce's career he had a season of 119 receptions, 1781 Yards (!) & 13 TDs. Then another season with 84 receptions, 1338 Yards & 7 TDs. Stallworth's best season to date has been 70 receptions for less than 1000 yards & 7 TDs. I think we need a new comp because he can't see Isaac Bruce from where he's at. One thing that really jumped out at me when trying to determine playoff WR starters was how sparse the receptions are for Stallworth. He just doesn't catch the ball enough. I agree that McNabb was great for Stallworth and vice versa, but he never had a game with over 4 receptions once Garcia took over...and his most with McNabb was 6 in a game.

I don't the inconsistency is just injury-related. I think there have been attitude/mental questions about him as well. Bottom line is that he's been nothing but a tease since he entered the league. I agree that he has the talent, but the Isaac Bruce comparisons are a pipe dream.

 

[redman]

At first I was asking myself "What in the heck are they thinking?!" But then I realized what I've always said about Stallworth -- great talent and shows flashes of brilliance, but he just can NOT stay healthy for long. He's always had hammy problems. Check him out:

http://nfl.com/players/playerpage/302227

Two seasons are all he's played in 16 games (never started all 16 ever). I think he'd be a good #2, maybe even #1 if he could ever stay healthy..........

What's amazing to me from looking at that link is that better than one in four of his receptions goes for more than 20 yards. For perspective, TO's not close to claiming that and Randy Moss falls just short of it; the ratio is almost identical to Isaac Bruce's career numbers. Also, speaking of Bruce, Stallworth through his first five seasons has played in more games than Bruce did when Bruce suffered from . . . chronic hamstring issues.

To talk of Stallworth as if he's established himself as a bust or even as if he's established permanently that he can't stay healthy seems a bit cavalier. He's more explosive than almost any other WR you can find, and he was never more explosive than when paired with McNabb.

Well that's certainly looking on the bright side. It's kind of awkward to compare Stallworth to Bruce considering that at this point in Bruce's career he had a season of 119 receptions, 1781 Yards (!) & 13 TDs. Then another season with 84 receptions, 1338 Yards & 7 TDs. Stallworth's best season to date has been 70 receptions for less than 1000 yards & 7 TDs. I think we need a new comp because he can't see Isaac Bruce from where he's at. One thing that really jumped out at me when trying to determine playoff WR starters was how sparse the receptions are for Stallworth. He just doesn't catch the ball enough. I agree that McNabb was great for Stallworth and vice versa, but he never had a game with over 4 receptions once Garcia took over...and his most with McNabb was 6 in a game.

I don't the inconsistency is just injury-related. I think there have been attitude/mental questions about him as well. Bottom line is that he's been nothing but a tease since he entered the league. I agree that he has the talent, but the Isaac Bruce comparisons are a pipe dream.

I was comparing rate of big plays, not overall accomplishment or value. In terms of rate it's statistically indisputable that he ranks with Bruce. Obviously, I'd take Bruce's first five years over Stallworth's.

 

[fatness]

Donte' Stallworth says he'd like to re-sign with the Eagles.

It still seems unlikely that Philadelphia will be able to pay him a $10-15 million signing bonus. Stallworth, whose agent is Drew Rosenhaus, also thinks he'd be "cheating" himself if he didn't test the market.

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

Link to the article in the Inquirer & Daily News

The consensus among Eagles fans and players is that the team should bring back Stallworth next season. The growing belief, however, is that another NFL team will give the wide receiver a big contract that the Eagles will be unwilling to match.

Stallworth said the Eagles don't necessarily have to match the highest offer.

"I think they've talked a little bit to Drew [Rosenhaus]," Stallworth said. "I'm sure there are going to be teams that offer me more, but in my case, it's not going to be all about the money. I want to make sure I'm in a place that has a chance to win a Super Bowl year in and year out, and everything was perfect for me in Philadelphia. I've been loving it ever since I've been there... and I definitely plan on being there."

That said, Stallworth conceded that he plans to listen to offers from other teams when the free agency period begins next month.

"I think I'd be cheating myself and my family if I didn't at least see what other opportunities were out there," said Stallworth, who is 26. "But I have all intentions of being an Eagle next year."

 

[Keg]

you cant really talk about the eagles receiving corp without including LJ Smith

Do I want to see Donte leave? NO

Do I think we can win without him? YES

 

[massraider]

Donte' Stallworth says he'd like to re-sign with the Eagles.It still seems unlikely that Philadelphia will be able to pay him a $10-15 million signing bonus. Stallworth, whose agent is Drew Rosenhaus, also thinks he'd be "cheating" himself if he didn't test the market.Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

All that does is give the miserable Eagle fan more ammo to complain with after Stallworth leaves. I can already hear them.

 

[redman]

you cant really talk about the eagles receiving corp without including LJ SmithDo I want to see Donte leave? NODo I think we can win without him? YES

I agree that LJ Smith needs to be discussed, and also that the Eagles can win without Stallworth (they've already proven that). I'm not sure that this is the point though. Without Stallworth, the most explosive offensive player that the Eagles have is also the guy who on most plays is located the farthest behind the line of scrimmage: Westbrook. Stallworth brought an explosiveness to that passing game that it simply did not have before, and had never had except for when TO was there, and even then a lot of TO's yards came after the catch rather than before. I think Stallworth is a lot more valuable to that offense than the Eagles seem to be thinking.

 

[The Man With No Name]

At first I was asking myself "What in the heck are they thinking?!" But then I realized what I've always said about Stallworth -- great talent and shows flashes of brilliance, but he just can NOT stay healthy for long. He's always had hammy problems. Check him out:

http://nfl.com/players/playerpage/302227

Two seasons are all he's played in 16 games (never started all 16 ever). I think he'd be a good #2, maybe even #1 if he could ever stay healthy..........

What's amazing to me from looking at that link is that better than one in four of his receptions goes for more than 20 yards. For perspective, TO's not close to claiming that and Randy Moss falls just short of it; the ratio is almost identical to Isaac Bruce's career numbers.

Reggie Brown has 89 career receptions, 25 for 20+ yards.

 

[redman]

At first I was asking myself "What in the heck are they thinking?!" But then I realized what I've always said about Stallworth -- great talent and shows flashes of brilliance, but he just can NOT stay healthy for long. He's always had hammy problems. Check him out:

http://nfl.com/players/playerpage/302227

Two seasons are all he's played in 16 games (never started all 16 ever). I think he'd be a good #2, maybe even #1 if he could ever stay healthy..........

What's amazing to me from looking at that link is that better than one in four of his receptions goes for more than 20 yards. For perspective, TO's not close to claiming that and Randy Moss falls just short of it; the ratio is almost identical to Isaac Bruce's career numbers.

Reggie Brown has 89 career receptions, 25 for 20+ yards.

Interesting. I just went and checked out what Brown did in the games that Stallworth didn't play in (weeks 3, 5-7; neither guy played week 17). Check out Brown's stats from those 4 games:
+----------+--------+-------------+----+| WK OPP | RSHYD | REC YD | TD |+----------+--------+-------------+----+| 3 sfo | 0 | 5 106 | 0 || 5 dal | 0 | 4 79 | 1 || 6 nor | 15 | 6 121 | 2 || 7 tam | 0 | 4 77 | 1 |+----------+--------+-------------+----+| TOTAL | 15 | 19 383 | 4 |+----------+--------+-------------+----+During those games his longest catches were 50, 40, 60 and 41, respectively. Maybe the Eagles don't need Stallworth. One thing seems sure though - if they don't resign Stallworth Brown looks like someone who will be set to break out next year.

 

[JAA]

would be a [typical] stupid Phi FO move

 

[Sabertooth]

you cant really talk about the eagles receiving corp without including LJ SmithDo I want to see Donte leave? NODo I think we can win without him? YES

You play on the Eagles? It's not if you can win, it's can you challenge for the Super Bowl is it not? I don't think the Eagles are strong enough without Stallworth.

 

[Sabertooth]

At first I was asking myself "What in the heck are they thinking?!" But then I realized what I've always said about Stallworth -- great talent and shows flashes of brilliance, but he just can NOT stay healthy for long. He's always had hammy problems. Check him out:

http://nfl.com/players/playerpage/302227

Two seasons are all he's played in 16 games (never started all 16 ever). I think he'd be a good #2, maybe even #1 if he could ever stay healthy..........

What's amazing to me from looking at that link is that better than one in four of his receptions goes for more than 20 yards. For perspective, TO's not close to claiming that and Randy Moss falls just short of it; the ratio is almost identical to Isaac Bruce's career numbers.

Reggie Brown has 89 career receptions, 25 for 20+ yards.

Interesting. I just went and checked out what Brown did in the games that Stallworth didn't play in (weeks 3, 5-7; neither guy played week 17). Check out Brown's stats from those 4 games:
+----------+--------+-------------+----+| WK OPP | RSHYD | REC YD | TD |+----------+--------+-------------+----+| 3 sfo | 0 | 5 106 | 0 || 5 dal | 0 | 4 79 | 1 || 6 nor | 15 | 6 121 | 2 || 7 tam | 0 | 4 77 | 1 |+----------+--------+-------------+----+| TOTAL | 15 | 19 383 | 4 |+----------+--------+-------------+----+During those games his longest catches were 50, 40, 60 and 41, respectively. Maybe the Eagles don't need Stallworth. One thing seems sure though - if they don't resign Stallworth Brown looks like someone who will be set to break out next year.

Note to self.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Maybe the Eagles don't need Stallworth. One thing seems sure though - if they don't resign Stallworth Brown looks like someone who will be set to break out next year.

I was thinking the same thing. Thank you for providing the numbers to bolster the anecdotal evidence. If the Eagles don't re-sign Stallworth, Reggie Browns gets a major bump in value as McNabb's go-to guy.

 

[Traders2001]

I think his fantasy value would take a nosedive if he signed with almost any other team.

He would be amazing with Bulger and Holt..

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I think his fantasy value would take a nosedive if he signed with almost any other team.

He would be amazing with Bulger and Holt..

I'm thinking more and more he'll be a Titan.

 

[shakeybarn]

Bad move IMO.

Yeah, seriously. What's with the Eagles brass being so stupid about their WRs??? For years upon years!

Whats Stallworth really done to deserve the type of money some team will give him this offseason?Reggie Brown overtook him this year.Hes never consistently produced or stayed healthy in a season.

What team will give him money more than he will deserve, that thusly the Eagles shouldn't pay. What am I missing here... is the rest of the NFL duped that Stallworth is some stud who should be getting 1st tier WR $$$?Exactly.

 

[Sinrman]

THe more I think about it, the more I think the Falcons should sign Stallworth...

 

[softball]

Stallworths value to the Eagles IMO is greater than it would be to most teams. He can stretch a D and can grab that quick WCO slant and take it to the house.

I am a Giants fan (and Jets) and watching Stallworth in Philly with either QB he looked like a better player than he was in NO. Not sure why, that's just an opinion.

I think they are making a big mistake not bringing him back. And I think Donte makes a big mistake if he goes anyplace that doesn't run a WCO.

Packers w/ McCarthy?

SF? Probably not because Donte has had some character issues in his N.O. past

Vikings? Could be w/ Childress there and they have a need at the position

Tampa Bay? I would classify them as a sleeper in getting him. Gruden loves speed, and Galloway isn't getting any younger. AND it looks like they need a #2 anyway.

Seattle-No way. They have enough $ in WRs

Couple Possible teams:

titans have been rumored-bad move on both parties part IMO

Texans-Kubiak could go FA again at WR and add some serious speed to that teams WR group

KC-Herm loves to deal with guys that have had some issues, he did do a nice job w/ Lav. Coles. This could be a Big Payday and a decent spot if he doesn't go to a WCO team...

 

[Sidewinder]

...I am a Giants fan (and Jets) and watching Stallworth in Philly with either QB he looked like a better player than he was in NO. Not sure why, that's just an opinion....

Numbers-wise, his 1 year in Phil is on par, if not slightly better, than his 4 year average was with the Saints.Phil: 12 games, 38 catches, 725 yds, 5 TDsNO (4 yr avg): 13.8 games, 49 catches, 698 yds, 5.8 TDs

...Packers w/ McCarthy?...

McCarthy probably knows him as well as anyone -- was Stallworth's OC for Donte's first 3 years with New Orleans.

 

[redman]

Stallworths value to the Eagles IMO is greater than it would be to most teams. He can stretch a D and can grab that quick WCO slant and take it to the house.I am a Giants fan (and Jets) and watching Stallworth in Philly with either QB he looked like a better player than he was in NO. Not sure why, that's just an opinion.I think they are making a big mistake not bringing him back. And I think Donte makes a big mistake if he goes anyplace that doesn't run a WCO.

I'm a 'Skins fan and I agree. He brought a spark to that offense that it didn't seem to have without him. Maybe Greg Lewis is good enough to replace him, but I certainly had the same reaction as you did watching the game rather than looking at numbers.

 

[scratcher]

Maybe Greg Lewis is good enough to replace him

 

[redman]

Maybe Greg Lewis is good enough to replace him

Oops, I meant Reggie Brown.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Maybe Greg Lewis is good enough to replace him

wow, that is

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Maybe Greg Lewis is good enough to replace him

Oops, I meant Reggie Brown.

Ok, that's WAY better.

 

[renesauz]

I think many of you are underestimating the rest of the Philly recievers.

1.Brown has progressed wonderfully in that offense, and it's too easy to forget that he's only had two seasons in an offensive system that traditionally takes three for a reciever to master. He has the look of a true #1. He doesn't have Stallworth's speed, but IMHO he will be the best reciever Philly has had in 15-20 years (outside of T.O.). Brown does have enough speed to go deep, but not enough to consistantly outrun the defense. He has better hands and is a far more reliable reciever then Stallworth.

2. Baskett brings a big body and close-in skills that make him a solid WR2 prospect. He's the most athletic of the Eagles recievers. He played an outstanding game against the Falcons, and wowed coaches and fans alike in the pre-season with amazing catches. There's no reason to believe he won't improve significantly, and he was already a bona-fide #3, as an undrafted rookie! All Baskett has lacked to this point is a little polish in his route running, which can usually be taught!

3. Avant has also impressed coaches with his steady improvement and all around attitude. He has produced whenever he was called upon, and has shown a solid grasp of the offense. He's also only a two year man.

4. Bloom hasn't had the chance to get on the field yet due to injury, but is every bit as fast as Stallworth. Nobody has seen enough to know how well he can catch the ball, but that fact is that if he can catch as well as even an average NFL WR, he has the speed to fill Stallworth's role in stretching the field.

5. Lewis provides a steady veteran precence. He has the ability to line up anywhere, and run any type of route. He has enough speed to stretch a defense and provide a mediocre deep threat, and has average hands. A terrific depth guy with a great atttude.

With these recievers on board, with a Bloom to stretch a defense, with a Lewis and a Brown who can provide some deep threat should Bloom not pan out, with two legitimate #3's (both of whom could be reasonable expected to progress enough to be a solid #2),.........

Why would Philly overpay for a WR?

The team has repeatedly said they'd like to have Stallworth back. The truth is the weak FA crop has inflated his value to the point where Philly would be overpaying for something they may not even need. With greater needs at LB and DB, it woul make no sense to do so.

I'd rather see them spend on a good LB, and get some more DB depth, and take my chances with Bloom as the deep threat. The worst case scenario then is that Philly lacks a great deep threat...which McNabb has lacked for most of his career anyway!

The bottom line is that Philly's current crop of receivers, even without Stallworth, is the most promising group they've had in 20 years!

 

[scratcher]

I think many of you are underestimating the rest of the Philly recievers.

1.Brown has progressed wonderfully in that offense, and it's too easy to forget that he's only had two seasons in an offensive system that traditionally takes three for a reciever to master. He has the look of a true #1. He doesn't have Stallworth's speed, but IMHO he will be the best reciever Philly has had in 15-20 years (outside of T.O.). Brown does have enough speed to go deep, but not enough to consistantly outrun the defense. He has better hands and is a far more reliable reciever then Stallworth.

2. Baskett brings a big body and close-in skills that make him a solid WR2 prospect. He's the most athletic of the Eagles recievers. He played an outstanding game against the Falcons, and wowed coaches and fans alike in the pre-season with amazing catches. There's no reason to believe he won't improve significantly, and he was already a bona-fide #3, as an undrafted rookie! All Baskett has lacked to this point is a little polish in his route running, which can usually be taught!

3. Avant has also impressed coaches with his steady improvement and all around attitude. He has produced whenever he was called upon, and has shown a solid grasp of the offense. He's also only a two year man.

4. Bloom hasn't had the chance to get on the field yet due to injury, but is every bit as fast as Stallworth. Nobody has seen enough to know how well he can catch the ball, but that fact is that if he can catch as well as even an average NFL WR, he has the speed to fill Stallworth's role in stretching the field.

5. Lewis provides a steady veteran precence. He has the ability to line up anywhere, and run any type of route. He has enough speed to stretch a defense and provide a mediocre deep threat, and has average hands. A terrific depth guy with a great atttude.

With these recievers on board, with a Bloom to stretch a defense, with a Lewis and a Brown who can provide some deep threat should Bloom not pan out, with two legitimate #3's (both of whom could be reasonable expected to progress enough to be a solid #2),.........

Why would Philly overpay for a WR?

The team has repeatedly said they'd like to have Stallworth back. The truth is the weak FA crop has inflated his value to the point where Philly would be overpaying for something they may not even need. With greater needs at LB and DB, it woul make no sense to do so.

I'd rather see them spend on a good LB, and get some more DB depth, and take my chances with Bloom as the deep threat. The worst case scenario then is that Philly lacks a great deep threat...which McNabb has lacked for most of his career anyway!

The bottom line is that Philly's current crop of receivers, even without Stallworth, is the most promising group they've had in 20 years!

I think Stallworth is the icing on the cake and I would love to see him back (mainly cuz he's a quality person as well as player). But I would not be too upset if he got overpaid somewhere else b/c I would like to see some of the younger guys develop.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Looks like Donte's in New England right now

meeting with Patriots management.