Star Trek (1 Viewer)

[Chaka]

I don't get the love for this steaming pile. Yet another blockbuster movie that has a huge budget but seemed like they made up the story as they went along. There were so many holes in the story it was ridiculous. And the bad impressions of the original characters was just fingernails on the chalkboard for me. I think IMDB still has this movie in their top 250. What an overrated joke.

Sorry you feel that way. What plot holes bothered you most? (all movies have them but I thought they did a decent job minimizing them here).As a big fan of the franchise I was deeply skeptical going in but I gotta say that I was impressed with the new take (not overwhelmed but impressed).

Hmmm...where to start...1. Kirk's progression from cadet, stowaway, first mate to captain. Just unbelievably rushed. 2. The whole red matter angle. Not explained near enough and if this stuff really creates black holes, then why did you need a ridiculous giant drill to destroy a planet with it?3. Beaming to wrap speed seemed like a ridiculous plot device. And why did Scotty just tag long with Kirk? And he instantly just gets to run the ship once he's on board? 4. Meeting old Spock on the giant ice planet and the mindmeld just seemed like lazy writing. 5. Spock and the black chick seemed out of nowhere and just weird. There's definitely more but that's enough for now...

I won't address these point for point but I agree that the Kirk promotion was a stretch but the Spock/Uhura relationship was set up quite early in the movie. However none of those really go against the logic established in the plot (i.e. not plot holes). Overly convenient to be sure but not inconsistent with the plot.The movie clearly did not do enough to engage your suspension of disbelief. No worries, to each their own.But the characters doing impersonations of the original actors is absolutely necessary, they are the same characters why wouldn't they act in a similar fashion? Star Trek without Bones saying "Damnit Jim..." or Scottie delivering the classic "She cannot take it Captain", Mr. Spock "Fascinating" etc are absolutely necessary. Could you imagine Homer Simpson not saying "D'oh!"? Plus it is also an homage to the original series which is very appropriate.

To me the impressions were so over the top that is distracting. What's his name..the russian (chekoff?). What was his deal? You could hardly understand him and why was he so young? It's like they build the state of the art Enterprise and they only have kids (cadets)running it.

Are you a fan of the original series? Ham handed, over-the-top acting was pretty much standard operating procedure, I would have been disappointed if they had toned it down.

 

[Hang 10]

Are you a fan of the original series? Ham handed, over-the-top acting was pretty much standard operating procedure, I would have been disappointed if they had toned it down.

Nope. Never been a trekkie. Maybe I just expected a something more like Batman Begins from a reboot. Not Batman and Robin.

 

[encaitar]

I have to say, I loved the movie. It wasn't the greatest script or plot, but it did a decent job of giving us a backstory and opening the opportunity for a whole new storyline with characters that old trek fans love. I also agree with those that thought the promotion at the end for Kirk was a little bit rushed. Hell, the fact that any of them, outside of Spock, remained in their roles at the end was a big stretch. Even if Kirk were promoted, it would be unlikely they would promote an entire crew of cadets to serve under him. I also don't think it accomplished much either. The next film could've skipped a few years of junior officer training and started with his promotion and choosing of his crew. It would've left us at the same point in time(as far as this crew starting their adventures), but we could've been led to believe that his promotion came about after a few years of excellence instead of one great mission. Plus, then the crew really could've been experts in their fields by that time. Right now, it's hard to believe that a group of cadets is really the best crew to serve as senior officers on the Enterprise and that's without considering Kirk as captain.

Also, along those same lines, why did Pike get promoted? He willingly shot off into space without knowing why Vulcan was under distress yet needed a suspended cadet to tell him to come out of warp with his shields up? Why wouldn't his shields be up anyway if he were coming into an unknown situation? Then all he does after this is get captured and tortured to give up defense codes. Yet we're supposed to believe that this was worthy of promotion? In my mind his promotion is more questionable than Kirk's, just because Kirk actually did something extraordinary, where Pike was basically a pawn in Nero's game.

 

[Chaka]

I have to say, I loved the movie. It wasn't the greatest script or plot, but it did a decent job of giving us a backstory and opening the opportunity for a whole new storyline with characters that old trek fans love. I also agree with those that thought the promotion at the end for Kirk was a little bit rushed. Hell, the fact that any of them, outside of Spock, remained in their roles at the end was a big stretch. Even if Kirk were promoted, it would be unlikely they would promote an entire crew of cadets to serve under him. I also don't think it accomplished much either. The next film could've skipped a few years of junior officer training and started with his promotion and choosing of his crew. It would've left us at the same point in time(as far as this crew starting their adventures), but we could've been led to believe that his promotion came about after a few years of excellence instead of one great mission. Plus, then the crew really could've been experts in their fields by that time. Right now, it's hard to believe that a group of cadets is really the best crew to serve as senior officers on the Enterprise and that's without considering Kirk as captain.Also, along those same lines, why did Pike get promoted? He willingly shot off into space without knowing why Vulcan was under distress yet needed a suspended cadet to tell him to come out of warp with his shields up? Why wouldn't his shields be up anyway if he were coming into an unknown situation? Then all he does after this is get captured and tortured to give up defense codes. Yet we're supposed to believe that this was worthy of promotion? In my mind his promotion is more questionable than Kirk's, just because Kirk actually did something extraordinary, where Pike was basically a pawn in Nero's game.

Pike had a long distinguished career prior to the beginning of this movie. He was still the commander of the ship that just saved Earth (Kirk & Spock were only acting commanders). Pike's career was probably worthy of promotion prior to the events in the movie (can any of the Trek book readers fill in some gaps here?). His injury prevents him from being an acting captain (amazing that there are no cures for spinal cord injuries, or baldness - I am looking at you Picard, in the 23rd/24th century) so a promotion makes sense over a simple lateral move to a desk job.Sure an entire crew promotion is completely outrageous, then again that crew of cadets just saved the entire planet Earth. Makes it easier to just promote them all now then create back stories for the next movie (although I agree with Hang 10 in that demonstrates a certain laziness on behalf of the creative staff behind the project). They could have had a lot of fun with the whole "Putting the band back together" angle.

 

[encaitar]

Pike had a long distinguished career prior to the beginning of this movie. He was still the commander of the ship that just saved Earth (Kirk & Spock were only acting commanders). Pike's career was probably worthy of promotion prior to the events in the movie (can any of the Trek book readers fill in some gaps here?). His injury prevents him from being an acting captain (amazing that there are no cures for spinal cord injuries, or baldness - I am looking at you Picard, in the 23rd/24th century) so a promotion makes sense over a simple lateral move to a desk job.Sure an entire crew promotion is completely outrageous, then again that crew of cadets just saved the entire planet Earth. Makes it easier to just promote them all now then create back stories for the next movie (although I agree with Hang 10 in that demonstrates a certain laziness on behalf of the creative staff behind the project). They could have had a lot of fun with the whole "Putting the band back together" angle.

I guess I wasn't thinking about the spinal cord injury. A pretty big overlook on my part. I was thinking it would've made more sense for Pike to stay as captain, but obviously he physically isn't up to it anymore.I agree that the staff was lazy with the writing at the end. Could've wrapped it up better IMO.

 

[Hang 10]

I guess my feeling about the plot was that it was razor thin anyways, so why not just show us how and why the Enterprise crew got to where they are. That's not worth a movie? Instead it was more of a formality to make Kirk captain. Very linear, lazy writing.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Interesting interview with Leonard Nimoy about the Jewish roots of Live Long and Prosper and the hand symbolism for that, the Vulcan greeting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyiWkWcR86I