STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (2 Viewers)

[snogger]

On 2nd viewing I liked Kylo Ren much better. Criticisms of him as juvenile are ridiculous. He's a great bad guy. Quite conflicted but awesome. I think he is going to become absolutely insane and fearsome in the next two movies.

My other complaint was how everyone seemed to be able to handle a lightsaber pretty damn easily. I can understand Rey since she has the force but Finn? That was too much for me given the importance of this weapon in connection with the Jedi and the Force. He shouldn't be able to just pick it up and kick ### with it. .

I figure he's a stormtrooper and been trained at a young age so he's had training in all kinds of weapons. While not specifically with a light saber, the techniques of the other weapons apply. Same with figuring out the weapons on the tie fighter and Falcon. People wouldn't even bring those up if he just jumped in and knew how to use them. It's just that he's unsure that causes people to bash it.

Same with Ren fixing things. She salvages parts, so she'd know what things do and the systems in their operation. Also people bashing it aren't realizing that she's living in a culture where these machines aren't as complex to them as they are to us. Compare what is common knowledge to us today compared to people 2,000 years ago. That's the kind of technological separation between us and that in Star Wars. The people in Star Wars are just more knowledgeable about tech than us. Look at how little kids are able to operate tech today before they can even read or write. Our tech is like stone or bronze age in comparison to Star Wars.

The Trooper fighting him with the weapon that could deflect the saber was standing toe to toe with him showing they have been trained in close combat..

 

[AAABatteries]

Oh, and posty, go #### yourself. Stop your idiotic trolling. My god you are a POS.

 

[packersfan]

On 2nd viewing I liked Kylo Ren much better. Criticisms of him as juvenile are ridiculous. He's a great bad guy. Quite conflicted but awesome. I think he is going to become absolutely insane and fearsome in the next two movies.

My other complaint was how everyone seemed to be able to handle a lightsaber pretty damn easily. I can understand Rey since she has the force but Finn? That was too much for me given the importance of this weapon in connection with the Jedi and the Force. He shouldn't be able to just pick it up and kick ### with it. .

I figure he's a stormtrooper and been trained at a young age so he's had training in all kinds of weapons. While not specifically with a light saber, the techniques of the other weapons apply. Same with figuring out the weapons on the tie fighter and Falcon. People wouldn't even bring those up if he just jumped in and knew how to use them. It's just that he's unsure that causes people to bash it.

Same with Ren fixing things. She salvages parts, so she'd know what things do and the systems in their operation. Also people bashing it aren't realizing that she's living in a culture where these machines aren't as complex to them as they are to us. Compare what is common knowledge to us today compared to people 2,000 years ago. That's the kind of technological separation between us and that in Star Wars. The people in Star Wars are just more knowledgeable about tech than us. Look at how little kids are able to operate tech today before they can even read or write. Our tech is like stone or bronze age in comparison to Star Wars.

The Trooper fighting him with the weapon that could deflect the saber was standing toe to toe with him showing they have been trained in close combat..

Yeah but a lightsaber is a special weapon. An almost magical one. Maybe I'm being stubborn and silly about it but it just seems that only someone with the Force should be able to handle it with ease. Now maybe that's something we'll find out about Finn later and if so then it would make sense. I do think his parentage will come to play. The line about being ripped from a family "I'll never know" seemed to be planted for a reason.

 

[packersfan]

Also - how many lines from the trailers did not ultimately make it into the film? Seemed like a lot. The "Who are you?" "I'm no one" lines for one. Finn's "I've got nothing to fight for" was another. I don't recall hearing "The Force is calling to you. Let it in" line in the film either. Seemed like a lot of stuff from the trailers didn't get into the film. That isn't unusual but just caught my eye.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

On 2nd viewing I liked Kylo Ren much better. Criticisms of him as juvenile are ridiculous. He's a great bad guy. Quite conflicted but awesome. I think he is going to become absolutely insane and fearsome in the next two movies.

My other complaint was how everyone seemed to be able to handle a lightsaber pretty damn easily. I can understand Rey since she has the force but Finn? That was too much for me given the importance of this weapon in connection with the Jedi and the Force. He shouldn't be able to just pick it up and kick ### with it. .

I figure he's a stormtrooper and been trained at a young age so he's had training in all kinds of weapons. While not specifically with a light saber, the techniques of the other weapons apply. Same with figuring out the weapons on the tie fighter and Falcon. People wouldn't even bring those up if he just jumped in and knew how to use them. It's just that he's unsure that causes people to bash it.Same with Ren fixing things. She salvages parts, so she'd know what things do and the systems in their operation. Also people bashing it aren't realizing that she's living in a culture where these machines aren't as complex to them as they are to us. Compare what is common knowledge to us today compared to people 2,000 years ago. That's the kind of technological separation between us and that in Star Wars. The people in Star Wars are just more knowledgeable about tech than us. Look at how little kids are able to operate tech today before they can even read or write. Our tech is like stone or bronze age in comparison to Star Wars.

The Trooper fighting him with the weapon that could deflect the saber was standing toe to toe with him showing they have been trained in close combat..

Yeah but a lightsaber is a special weapon. An almost magical one. Maybe I'm being stubborn and silly about it but it just seems that only someone with the Force should be able to handle it with ease. Now maybe that's something we'll find out about Finn later and if so then it would make sense. I do think his parentage will come to play. The line about being ripped from a family "I'll never know" seemed to be planted for a reason.

It is a sword. A sword made of light but still a sword.

 

[AAABatteries]

Carrie Fisher lost any acting chops she may have had. Totally wooden performance. Ford was pretty good, IMO.

Yep, the other actors did such a great job that she did stand out as being out of her league. I'm sure Abrams wished he could have replaced her but he had to deal with it.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Finn has a bit of Denzel in him I thought. I wonder if he studied Denzel to help him fine tune his American accent.

He had a very tiny forehead.

 

[packersfan]

On 2nd viewing I liked Kylo Ren much better. Criticisms of him as juvenile are ridiculous. He's a great bad guy. Quite conflicted but awesome. I think he is going to become absolutely insane and fearsome in the next two movies.

My other complaint was how everyone seemed to be able to handle a lightsaber pretty damn easily. I can understand Rey since she has the force but Finn? That was too much for me given the importance of this weapon in connection with the Jedi and the Force. He shouldn't be able to just pick it up and kick ### with it. .

I figure he's a stormtrooper and been trained at a young age so he's had training in all kinds of weapons. While not specifically with a light saber, the techniques of the other weapons apply. Same with figuring out the weapons on the tie fighter and Falcon. People wouldn't even bring those up if he just jumped in and knew how to use them. It's just that he's unsure that causes people to bash it.Same with Ren fixing things. She salvages parts, so she'd know what things do and the systems in their operation. Also people bashing it aren't realizing that she's living in a culture where these machines aren't as complex to them as they are to us. Compare what is common knowledge to us today compared to people 2,000 years ago. That's the kind of technological separation between us and that in Star Wars. The people in Star Wars are just more knowledgeable about tech than us. Look at how little kids are able to operate tech today before they can even read or write. Our tech is like stone or bronze age in comparison to Star Wars.

The Trooper fighting him with the weapon that could deflect the saber was standing toe to toe with him showing they have been trained in close combat..

Yeah but a lightsaber is a special weapon. An almost magical one. Maybe I'm being stubborn and silly about it but it just seems that only someone with the Force should be able to handle it with ease. Now maybe that's something we'll find out about Finn later and if so then it would make sense. I do think his parentage will come to play. The line about being ripped from a family "I'll never know" seemed to be planted for a reason.

It is a sword. A sword made of light but still a sword.

I would compare it more to Excalibur or Thor's hammer. Only the worthy can wield it or at least use it effectively.

 

[netnalp]

I like Kylo Ren. He's clearly powerful with the dark side, but he's also clearly a wannabe Vader...as Rey shamed him with. That he wears a mask to look the part while really not needing it is great in pushing this narrative. His temper tantrums with the lightsaber were great in showing his immaturity, his constant need to prove himself worthy of the feared respect Vader had. He likely neve be nearby, picking her up shortly after leaving her homeworld...I just think it's too convenient and coincidental for the Falcon and him to be there at the right times.

You think Ren is powerful in the Dark Side? He's not even the equivalent to a Jedi. The guy is a weakling in the Force right now. A toddler perhaps. Luke would beat him easily. Even Rey was able to "win" the light saber from him with a simple Accio spell. The guy needed the mask to mask his weakness. No one respected him or feared him. I almost would rather they killed him off but they are going to mirror him "growing" into the Dark Side like they did Luke. The guy is a pipsqueak who thinks he's the galaxy is his. Far from it.

Why do I get the feeling that if Ren was too powerful in this one you would complain that they made him more powerful than Vader. If he was so powerful in this one he would have immediately wiped out the new characters they were introducing. And if the new characters didn't interact with the bad guys and it was just the old guard people would have complained about it being a reboot. And now you've set yourself up to complain about him going from weak to powerful in the next movie. Just enjoy it for what it is.

I agree. People should be happy, Vader is still the #1 bad ### with the force.

 

[Billy Bats]

I still say we need to forget the term Sith. They are the Knights of Ren, the Sith are gone and they don't follow the same rules.

 

[packersfan]

I like Kylo Ren. He's clearly powerful with the dark side, but he's also clearly a wannabe Vader...as Rey shamed him with. That he wears a mask to look the part while really not needing it is great in pushing this narrative. His temper tantrums with the lightsaber were great in showing his immaturity, his constant need to prove himself worthy of the feared respect Vader had. He likely neve be nearby, picking her up shortly after leaving her homeworld...I just think it's too convenient and coincidental for the Falcon and him to be there at the right times.

You think Ren is powerful in the Dark Side? He's not even the equivalent to a Jedi. The guy is a weakling in the Force right now. A toddler perhaps. Luke would beat him easily. Even Rey was able to "win" the light saber from him with a simple Accio spell. The guy needed the mask to mask his weakness. No one respected him or feared him. I almost would rather they killed him off but they are going to mirror him "growing" into the Dark Side like they did Luke. The guy is a pipsqueak who thinks he's the galaxy is his. Far from it.

Why do I get the feeling that if Ren was too powerful in this one you would complain that they made him more powerful than Vader. If he was so powerful in this one he would have immediately wiped out the new characters they were introducing. And if the new characters didn't interact with the bad guys and it was just the old guard people would have complained about it being a reboot. And now you've set yourself up to complain about him going from weak to powerful in the next movie. Just enjoy it for what it is.

I agree. People should be happy, Vader is still the #1 bad ### with the force.

I still think it's Luke ultimately although we've only gotten glimpses of it.

 

[AAABatteries]

Loved it, everything the prequels should have been. Please keep Lucas away. Order:

Empire Strikes Back

New Hope

Force Awakens

Return of the Jedi

Garbage Prequels in reverse order

I still want to see it again but it will always be hard to rank VII over IV and V because of nostalgia. However, if I'm being honest the acting and special affects make VII a much better movie - other the derivative points that others have made it stands up very well to IV and V.

 

[AAABatteries]

Episode 8 will probably send Ren on a mission to somehow meet Vader himself in order to go even darker in the hopes of gaining power. Rumor has it Hayden Christiansen has been cast in episode 8 and now it makes sense really.

There's virtually 0% chance this happens. You do remember that Vader redeems himself at the end of VI, right? He saves Luke and then they did that abomination in later edits where Hayden is standing their with Yoda and Obi-Wan.

 

[netnalp]

On 2nd viewing I liked Kylo Ren much better. Criticisms of him as juvenile are ridiculous. He's a great bad guy. Quite conflicted but awesome. I think he is going to become absolutely insane and fearsome in the next two movies.

My other complaint was how everyone seemed to be able to handle a lightsaber pretty damn easily. I can understand Rey since she has the force but Finn? That was too much for me given the importance of this weapon in connection with the Jedi and the Force. He shouldn't be able to just pick it up and kick ### with it. .

I figure he's a stormtrooper and been trained at a young age so he's had training in all kinds of weapons. While not specifically with a light saber, the techniques of the other weapons apply. Same with figuring out the weapons on the tie fighter and Falcon. People wouldn't even bring those up if he just jumped in and knew how to use them. It's just that he's unsure that causes people to bash it.Same with Ren fixing things. She salvages parts, so she'd know what things do and the systems in their operation. Also people bashing it aren't realizing that she's living in a culture where these machines aren't as complex to them as they are to us. Compare what is common knowledge to us today compared to people 2,000 years ago. That's the kind of technological separation between us and that in Star Wars. The people in Star Wars are just more knowledgeable about tech than us. Look at how little kids are able to operate tech today before they can even read or write. Our tech is like stone or bronze age in comparison to Star Wars.

The Trooper fighting him with the weapon that could deflect the saber was standing toe to toe with him showing they have been trained in close combat..

Yeah but a lightsaber is a special weapon. An almost magical one. Maybe I'm being stubborn and silly about it but it just seems that only someone with the Force should be able to handle it with ease. Now maybe that's something we'll find out about Finn later and if so then it would make sense. I do think his parentage will come to play. The line about being ripped from a family "I'll never know" seemed to be planted for a reason.

It is a sword. A sword made of light but still a sword.

Exactly and light saber is even more easily used since it functions equally well as a slashing weapon as it does a piercing and you don't need a ton of room to swing it to injure someone with it either. It's very versatile, not like a rapier, scottish claymore, dagger that have more limited functions. Samurai sword is more limited than the light saber too.

 

[Capella]

I still say we need to forget the term Sith. They are the Knights of Ren, the Sith are gone and they don't follow the same rules.

Maybe but I am not sure of that. I just think Ren hasn't completed his training.

 

[netnalp]

The best reason for Luke to flee would be that he became aware of the existence of Snoke and realized he would just get killed trying to defeat both Snoke and Kylo Ren in combat. So its better to lay low until more options become available. Once Rey was identified, R2D2 activated and brought Rey to Luke for training, with an eye of eventually beating them together.

Luke was able to reach Vader, the Emperor was defeated. Luke starts a new school to train Jedi. And under his tutelage, the son of his sister and best friend goes to the dark side and kills the other students. Luke left because he felt shame and responsibility for his nephew turning into a monster. Feels he's done more harm than good and wiped away all the accomplishments during IV-VI.

 

[Wingnut]

What annoyed me the most was the #######S clapping every time a person they recognized came on screen.

I saw it in a full theater and no one did that. I was actually expecting it, and was surprised when it didnt happen. Some clapped at the end when the credits started but that was it.

 

[netnalp]

Also, what happened to Captain Phasma after Han et al had her captive? The next scene showed them running away and she was nowhere to be seen.

Han and Finn's conversation prior to leaving indicated they were dropping her into the trash chute.

 

[netnalp]

Isn't Vader dead?

Yes. But Snoke is rumored to be Darth Plagueis. He had the power to cheat death (as told by Palpatine to Anakin in Episode 3). He might actually be able to resurrect Vader somehow.

I think this is very, very far-fetched. Abrams went out of his way not to reference hardly anything from the prequels. He knows the bad taste they left in people's mouths, and it almost seems as if he wants this new trilogy to erase that one--people will talk about a six movie viewing order that doesn't include any of 1,2, or 3. Just seems like he wants 4-9 to be their own thing. Highly doubt he'd take an obscure Sith mentioned once and make him the Big Bad. Not his style imo.

"Hey, remember that guy Palpatine mentioned once to Anakin at an opera in a scene that lasted five minutes? Yeah he's the badass of my trilogy".

No ####### way.

Do you think JJ will have much say in the next two? He is neither writing nor directing Episode VIII from what I have read.

He's a producer on it.

 

[AAABatteries]

Great that it was based on action and less politics but at times I felt lost.

Can you explain what you mean here? I get most of the complaints about the story not being new, about DeathStar 3.0, Rey being powerful quickly, etc. but I'm not sure what you mean by being lost - the story seemed to be right there in front you. Nothing confusing or convoluted which is another reason to like it IMO. They kept it simple and executed it very, very well.

 

[AAABatteries]

I'm beating Leia had a new gold bikini scene cut. Wise choice J.J. :X

 

[Pipes]

Great movie. Here's a couple of my thought to address the plot holes that some have brought up.

I believe Fin has the force running through him as well which would explain his ability to use the guns in the Millenium Falcon and have skills in he light saber without any training we know of. Think about it of the 10s of thousands of storm troopers why was It Fin who has a conscious. I'm telling you this guy is touched with the force...perhaps a descendant of Samuel L Jackson's Jedi character (sorry don't remember his name)

I believe Rey is Solo and Leia's daughter so she has Skywalker blood in her. My theory is Han knocked Leia up right at the end of their marriage before he bailed and likely didn't even know the existence of Rey. Leia likely shipped her off for her protection, like they did Kylo, but just at a much younger age.

Anyway great movie probably 3rd on my list behind Empire and New Hope.

 

[bagger]

Isn't Vader dead?

Yes. But Snoke is rumored to be Darth Plagueis. He had the power to cheat death (as told by Palpatine to Anakin in Episode 3). He might actually be able to resurrect Vader somehow.

I think this is very, very far-fetched. Abrams went out of his way not to reference hardly anything from the prequels. He knows the bad taste they left in people's mouths, and it almost seems as if he wants this new trilogy to erase that one--people will talk about a six movie viewing order that doesn't include any of 1,2, or 3. Just seems like he wants 4-9 to be their own thing. Highly doubt he'd take an obscure Sith mentioned once and make him the Big Bad. Not his style imo.

"Hey, remember that guy Palpatine mentioned once to Anakin at an opera in a scene that lasted five minutes? Yeah he's the badass of my trilogy".

No ####### way.

Many people have pointed out that Snoke looks suspiciously similar to some artwork of Plagueis.

Snoke:

http://newmediarockstars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/14-700x525.jpg

Plagueis:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/9/93477/2590681-tumblr_m01napq2b01r3kvzio1_400.jpg

when I saw that picture of the page in the book I thought it said Maz was a piñata.

 

[Insein]

Great that it was based on action and less politics but at times I felt lost.

Can you explain what you mean here? I get most of the complaints about the story not being new, about DeathStar 3.0, Rey being powerful quickly, etc. but I'm not sure what you mean by being lost - the story seemed to be right there in front you. Nothing confusing or convoluted which is another reason to like it IMO. They kept it simple and executed it very, very well.

I guess that was my problem. It was simple to the point that I was like, there's more to this right? It's not just rebels, empire, death Star, boom again right?

 

[netnalp]

If you think about it, just from a marketing standpoint, they almost have to bring back Vader somehow. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the first thing discussed when they sat down to do a new trilogy. They were like "the iconic character is Vader. Can be bring him back? Yes, if we use Plagueis." And then they built the story around that. Wouldn't shock me at all.

Would be awful and Abrams wouldn't ruin the original redemption arc of Vader by bringing him back again in a role like that. The entire reason everyone (for the most part) loved this movie is because he respected the fans and he respected the love people have for the originals. He's not desecrating Vader like you suggest.

Now, visions in some capacity? Maybe.

Also Disney bought Lucas Film for 4 billion. They'll want to get a return for their investment. You do that by endearing fans to a new group of characters so they can make films for decades. Leia doesn't need to die since she's just a tertiary character now. Luke, may die during this next batch of films. Though it would be nice to see Hamill make it through this set of films then die in the next batch.

 

[Fresh Prince of Bel Nor]

The farther I get from having watched VII, the more I appreciate how special it was. After the disasters that were the prequels, I was expecting to be let down. Instead, I watched the original cast work seamlessly with a talented and charismatic new group. It was such a big task to bring them back and not make it feel forced or corny, but it truly just picked up where Jedi left off.

It is corny and cheeseball to say "I felt like a kid again" but I really did. I understand it is just entertainment, but Star Wars was such an "important" part of people growing up in the 80s. Tony Gwynn is not going to return to the lineup, Junior is not going to turn around the Chargers defense, and watching old cartoons and shows with my kids is fun but in the end just makes me feel old (not that that is bad, it just is what it is)...but for 2 1/2 hours, I really did feel like I was transported back to a different time. It was wonderful.

 

[netnalp]

If you think about it, just from a marketing standpoint, they almost have to bring back Vader somehow. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the first thing discussed when they sat down to do a new trilogy. They were like "the iconic character is Vader. Can be bring him back? Yes, if we use Plagueis." And then they built the story around that. Wouldn't shock me at all.

Would be awful and Abrams wouldn't ruin the original redemption arc of Vader by bringing him back again in a role like that. The entire reason everyone (for the most part) loved this movie is because he respected the fans and he respected the love people have for the originals. He's not desecrating Vader like you suggest.

Now, visions in some capacity? Maybe.

I don't think it would ruin his redemption arc to be brought back to life, but that's just me.

Yes it would, if he was brought back as a villain. And there's no reason whatsoever to bring back an iconic villain to be a good guy or some type of crazy corpse that needs to be put down. Abrams would not do that--ruins the emotional impact of his redemption story in the first place, in the sacred original trilogy that Abrams is trying to honor, not ruin.

The Vader connection will come through Ren over time

If Vader was truly redeemed. It might be that the connection will be Vader/Anakin with Luke and Rey.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Great that it was based on action and less politics but at times I felt lost.

Can you explain what you mean here? I get most of the complaints about the story not being new, about DeathStar 3.0, Rey being powerful quickly, etc. but I'm not sure what you mean by being lost - the story seemed to be right there in front you. Nothing confusing or convoluted which is another reason to like it IMO. They kept it simple and executed it very, very well.

I guess that was my problem. It was simple to the point that I was like, there's more to this right? It's not just rebels, empire, death Star, boom again right?

It was a simple story and through Reys flashbacks scenes and not giving information on who or what Snoke is, I think left a decent amount on the table to explore going forward. That is a nice combination to relaunch the product imo.

 

[Pipes]

The farther I get from having watched VII, the more I appreciate how special it was. After the disasters that were the prequels, I was expecting to be let down. Instead, I watched the original cast work seamlessly with a talented and charismatic new group. It was such a big task to bring them back and not make it feel forced or corny, but it truly just picked up where Jedi left off.

It is corny and cheeseball to say "I felt like a kid again" but I really did. I understand it is just entertainment, but Star Wars was such an "important" part of people growing up in the 80s. Tony Gwynn is not going to return to the lineup, Junior is not going to turn around the Chargers defense, and watching old cartoons and shows with my kids is fun but in the end just makes me feel old (not that that is bad, it just is what it is)...but for 2 1/2 hours, I really did feel like I was transported back to a different time. It was wonderful.

You have reach your quota for positive votes in a day.

 

[dparker713]

Great movie. Here's a couple of my thought to address the plot holes that some have brought up.

I believe Fin has the force running through him as well which would explain his ability to use the guns in the Millenium Falcon and have skills in he light saber without any training we know of. Think about it of the 10s of thousands of storm troopers why was It Fin who has a conscious. I'm telling you this guy is touched with the force...perhaps a descendant of Samuel L Jackson's Jedi character (sorry don't remember his name)

I believe Rey is Solo and Leia's daughter so she has Skywalker blood in her. My theory is Han knocked Leia up right at the end of their marriage before he bailed and likely didn't even know the existence of Rey. Leia likely shipped her off for her protection, like they did Kylo, but just at a much younger age.

Anyway great movie probably 3rd on my list behind Empire and New Hope.

It's just a different form of blaster. It doesn't take special training. In fact the gun turrets are mass produced so they'd be designed to be easily useable. And a light saber is just a sword. Using it as a sword does not require any force ability. Now if he'd blocked a blaster shot or two, then there's some evidence for what you're claiming. Basic weapons training given to a storm trooper explains all this. Of course we're all used to storm troopers being unable to hit the broad side of the barn, so a trooper that can actually hit things is odd.

Eta: As for Rey being Han and Leia's kid, I'd be pretty damn odd for Leia to state regret over sending Ben away and nothing over sending her daughter away

 

[Sabertooth]

Loved the Falcon as much as any of the characters. Seeing it smashing through the trees was cool. BB8 was a nice throwback as well. Just seemed to fit.

The pilot, whatever his name was, also had a lot of charisma. Liked him.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Loved the Falcon as much as any of the characters. Seeing it smashing through the trees was cool. BB8 was a nice throwback as well. Just seemed to fit.

The pilot, whatever his name was, also had a lot of charisma. Liked him.

The difference between the charm of BB8 and the annoyance of Jar Jar was striking considering both were designed for the young kids.

 

[shader]

I'm still in unabashed fan mode even though I knew there would be nits to be picked from folks. At then end of it though, if you didn't like/love this movie then IMO the SW Universe isn't for you and that's ok.

Yeah I really enjoyed it overall despite having a few issues. Perhaps I set the bar a bit too high given my fondness of Abrams' work but this was a real good film and a great Star Wars film. Without a doubt it felt much more like Star Wars than the putrid prequels did. Abrams got that right and really nailed it.

When you see it a second time, stop focusing on all your expectations and just enjoy the movie. We tend to pick new Star Wars movies apart with a fine tooth comb, while not doing the same with the old.

Whether it was derivative or not is unimportant. It was a great movie. I enjoyed it more the second time.

 

[packersfan]

The pilot, whatever his name was, also had a lot of charisma. Liked him.

Poe Dameron. Just read a story which said Abrams was originally going to kill him off as part of the crash with Finn but changed his mind.

I don't consider the prequels Star Wars films so ignoring them I think this one had the best final shot of any of the four to date. Rey offering Luke his lightsaber back and the camera panning 360 around them in the midst of that great scenery was a truly epic shot by Abrams.

 

[Wingnut]

The farther I get from having watched VII, the more I appreciate how special it was. After the disasters that were the prequels, I was expecting to be let down. Instead, I watched the original cast work seamlessly with a talented and charismatic new group. It was such a big task to bring them back and not make it feel forced or corny, but it truly just picked up where Jedi left off.

It is corny and cheeseball to say "I felt like a kid again" but I really did. I understand it is just entertainment, but Star Wars was such an "important" part of people growing up in the 80s. Tony Gwynn is not going to return to the lineup, Junior is not going to turn around the Chargers defense, and watching old cartoons and shows with my kids is fun but in the end just makes me feel old (not that that is bad, it just is what it is)...but for 2 1/2 hours, I really did feel like I was transported back to a different time. It was wonderful.

I couldn't help grinning as I was watching this movie, just for the sentimental quality it has. It really took me back to those original movies, and brought back memories of seeing them in a theater as a kid. Best $10 I've spent in a long, long time.

 

[Insein]

Loved the Falcon as much as any of the characters. Seeing it smashing through the trees was cool. BB8 was a nice throwback as well. Just seemed to fit.

The pilot, whatever his name was, also had a lot of charisma. Liked him.

The difference between the charm of BB8 and the annoyance of Jar Jar was striking considering both were designed for the young kids.

One didn't speak. Things that speak gibberish or make cute noises (Wall-e) get a pass but annoying racist stereotypes don't.

 

[Psychopav]

What annoyed me the most was the #######S clapping every time a person they recognized came on screen.

I saw it in a full theater and no one did that. I was actually expecting it, and was surprised when it didnt happen. Some clapped at the end when the credits started but that was it.

Just curious, where do you live? Because that's a place I don't wanna be!

 

[Pipes]

Great movie. Here's a couple of my thought to address the plot holes that some have brought up.

I believe Fin has the force running through him as well which would explain his ability to use the guns in the Millenium Falcon and have skills in he light saber without any training we know of. Think about it of the 10s of thousands of storm troopers why was It Fin who has a conscious. I'm telling you this guy is touched with the force...perhaps a descendant of Samuel L Jackson's Jedi character (sorry don't remember his name)

I believe Rey is Solo and Leia's daughter so she has Skywalker blood in her. My theory is Han knocked Leia up right at the end of their marriage before he bailed and likely didn't even know the existence of Rey. Leia likely shipped her off for her protection, like they did Kylo, but just at a much younger age.

Anyway great movie probably 3rd on my list behind Empire and New Hope.

It's just a different form of blaster. It doesn't take special training. In fact the gun turrets are mass produced so they'd be designed to be easily useable. And a light saber is just a sword. Using it as a sword does not require any force ability. Now if he'd blocked a blaster shot or two, then there's some evidence for what you're claiming. Basic weapons training given to a storm trooper explains all this. Of course we're all used to storm troopers being unable to hit the broad side of the barn, so a trooper that can actually hit things is odd.

Eta: As for Rey being Han and Leia's kid, I'd be pretty damn odd for Leia to state regret over sending Ben away and nothing over sending her daughter away

But he held is own against Kylo who has training in using a light saber. I still really think he's touched with the force. He overcame the brainwashing he's had since being a very young child something an ordinary person just wouldn't do. I guess we'll find out in a couple of years.Who's to say Leia doesn't have regrets? She hadn't seen Rey when Solo was around and didn't really have a lot of time to talk to Solo as they immediately went into attack plan mode when they got back to their base. There was something to that hug between Rey and Leia.

 

[MattFancy]

Knowing now that Daniel Crag was a Storm Trooper and that Bill Hader and Ben Shwartz were BB8 voices just makes this movie so much better!

 

[shader]

Great movie. Here's a couple of my thought to address the plot holes that some have brought up.

I believe Fin has the force running through him as well which would explain his ability to use the guns in the Millenium Falcon and have skills in he light saber without any training we know of. Think about it of the 10s of thousands of storm troopers why was It Fin who has a conscious. I'm telling you this guy is touched with the force...perhaps a descendant of Samuel L Jackson's Jedi character (sorry don't remember his name)

I believe Rey is Solo and Leia's daughter so she has Skywalker blood in her. My theory is Han knocked Leia up right at the end of their marriage before he bailed and likely didn't even know the existence of Rey. Leia likely shipped her off for her protection, like they did Kylo, but just at a much younger age.

Anyway great movie probably 3rd on my list behind Empire and New Hope.

It's just a different form of blaster. It doesn't take special training. In fact the gun turrets are mass produced so they'd be designed to be easily useable. And a light saber is just a sword. Using it as a sword does not require any force ability. Now if he'd blocked a blaster shot or two, then there's some evidence for what you're claiming. Basic weapons training given to a storm trooper explains all this. Of course we're all used to storm troopers being unable to hit the broad side of the barn, so a trooper that can actually hit things is odd.

Eta: As for Rey being Han and Leia's kid, I'd be pretty damn odd for Leia to state regret over sending Ben away and nothing over sending her daughter away

But he held is own against Kylo who has training in using a light saber. I still really think he's touched with the force. He overcame the brainwashing he's had since being a very young child something an ordinary person just wouldn't do. I guess we'll find out in a couple of years.

I think he got in a lucky shot against an injured Kylo but then Kylo almost killed him. The question of whether he has force powers will rage for another 18 months I'm sure.

 

[Insein]

Also, I noticed in the credits there was a character named Yolo Ziff. I assume he/she dies. Didn't see who it was. Probably a joke by JJ.

 

[Pipes]

Great movie. Here's a couple of my thought to address the plot holes that some have brought up.

I believe Fin has the force running through him as well which would explain his ability to use the guns in the Millenium Falcon and have skills in he light saber without any training we know of. Think about it of the 10s of thousands of storm troopers why was It Fin who has a conscious. I'm telling you this guy is touched with the force...perhaps a descendant of Samuel L Jackson's Jedi character (sorry don't remember his name)

I believe Rey is Solo and Leia's daughter so she has Skywalker blood in her. My theory is Han knocked Leia up right at the end of their marriage before he bailed and likely didn't even know the existence of Rey. Leia likely shipped her off for her protection, like they did Kylo, but just at a much younger age.

Anyway great movie probably 3rd on my list behind Empire and New Hope.

It's just a different form of blaster. It doesn't take special training. In fact the gun turrets are mass produced so they'd be designed to be easily useable. And a light saber is just a sword. Using it as a sword does not require any force ability. Now if he'd blocked a blaster shot or two, then there's some evidence for what you're claiming. Basic weapons training given to a storm trooper explains all this. Of course we're all used to storm troopers being unable to hit the broad side of the barn, so a trooper that can actually hit things is odd.

Eta: As for Rey being Han and Leia's kid, I'd be pretty damn odd for Leia to state regret over sending Ben away and nothing over sending her daughter away

But he held is own against Kylo who has training in using a light saber. I still really think he's touched with the force. He overcame the brainwashing he's had since being a very young child something an ordinary person just wouldn't do. I guess we'll find out in a couple of years.

I think he got in a lucky shot against an injured Kylo but then Kylo almost killed him. The question of whether he has force powers will rage for another 18 months I'm sure.

Yes this debate will rage on. But as another poster mentioned at one point Fin says he's a "nobody" when asked who he was. To me that's some clever foreshadowing that there's more to him than just some random storm trooper out of 10s of thousands of them that developed a conscious.

 

[Capella]

The farther I get from having watched VII, the more I appreciate how special it was. After the disasters that were the prequels, I was expecting to be let down. Instead, I watched the original cast work seamlessly with a talented and charismatic new group. It was such a big task to bring them back and not make it feel forced or corny, but it truly just picked up where Jedi left off.

It is corny and cheeseball to say "I felt like a kid again" but I really did. I understand it is just entertainment, but Star Wars was such an "important" part of people growing up in the 80s. Tony Gwynn is not going to return to the lineup, Junior is not going to turn around the Chargers defense, and watching old cartoons and shows with my kids is fun but in the end just makes me feel old (not that that is bad, it just is what it is)...but for 2 1/2 hours, I really did feel like I was transported back to a different time. It was wonderful.

I couldn't help grinning as I was watching this movie, just for the sentimental quality it has. It really took me back to those original movies, and brought back memories of seeing them in a theater as a kid. Best $10 I've spent in a long, long time.

I told my wife after that it was actually touching that they cared enough to make a movie that good. Sure Disney has money to make but you can tell everybody involved from the top down put their heart into it.

 

[netnalp]

Kylo ren had potential but even with injury, no way Finn should have ever gotten a hit on him. And Rey never trained in her life. She wins?

People had some interesting speculation earlier in the thread that she was trained by Luke and then had her mind wiped and stashed on a out of the way planet, after Luke lost Ben to the dark side.

I don't know if it is true but it would match some of the "awakening" she had which fits in the title.

They will come back to this somehow I bet.

So maybe Luke suppressed her memories and powers out of fear that she'd go dark side too?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

So Captian Phasma has to go down as basically the worst military leader of all time right? Puts Finn back on active duty immediately after he freaks out on his first mission, letting him escape/rescue a top rebel... I mean resistance officer. Then it takes about 10 seconds of coercion to get her to drop the shields on the First Order's gigantic death weapon.

 

[packersfan]

Kylo ren had potential but even with injury, no way Finn should have ever gotten a hit on him. And Rey never trained in her life. She wins?

People had some interesting speculation earlier in the thread that she was trained by Luke and then had her mind wiped and stashed on a out of the way planet, after Luke lost Ben to the dark side.

I don't know if it is true but it would match some of the "awakening" she had which fits in the title.

They will come back to this somehow I bet.

So maybe Luke suppressed her memories and powers out of fear that she'd go dark side too?

That makes sense. Also if Rey is Luke's daughter than something happened to Mom and it probably was something bad which would additionally explain why Luke split and appears rather beaten down when we see him. The guilt over his nephew turning to the Dark Side, potentially losing his daughter and possibly having lost his wife could all end up being too much for him to deal with.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Kylo ren had potential but even with injury, no way Finn should have ever gotten a hit on him. And Rey never trained in her life. She wins?

People had some interesting speculation earlier in the thread that she was trained by Luke and then had her mind wiped and stashed on a out of the way planet, after Luke lost Ben to the dark side.

I don't know if it is true but it would match some of the "awakening" she had which fits in the title.

They will come back to this somehow I bet.

So maybe Luke suppressed her memories and powers out of fear that she'd go dark side too?

This is exactly what I think will be the case. She was already trained but Luke has blocked her memory of it.

 

[netnalp]

What annoyed me the most was the #######S clapping every time a person they recognized came on screen.

We got loud cheers for the Falcon, Han and Chewie and Leia.

But for some reason dead silence on Luke, which might just be because it was the finale of the movie and no one wanted to come out of the moment.

Exactly describes my experience. The second time we went was actually interesting, because I noticed peoples reactions more having already seen it once and not wondering what was coming next. Both showings were dead silent for Luke, and then broke into applause at the end of course.

No clapping during the showing I went too. Some heads turned when halfway through the film some guy go up and went towards the "EXIT" door. He grabbed the handle, let go and then went down the ramp towards the lobby/restrooms.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Woke up this morning and my son was watching Episode 2 again. Made me appreciate 7 that much more. The acting and action in this movie is atrocious.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I am trying to make the title fit the idea that Rey had some training before and then had a memory wipe/suppression.

If if was The Force Re-Awakens that would fit the idea better, albeit signifcantly more clumsy.