STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)

[NewlyRetired]

Damn. Rey not Ren. Whatever they both had nice asses though.

In their prime, how do we rate in comparison Fisher, Portman and Ridley?

Portman, Ridley >>>>>> Fisher.

Portman edges out due to the nipply scene in 2.

Portman's ### is all kinds of spectacular for a tiny girl. Check her out in "Closure"

It is by far her best feature for me. Similar body style to Emma Watson who similarly has more going on back there than most slender girls.

 

[Billy Bats]

Going back a few pages but the Han death scene was not all that emotional. However if Kylo kills Leia in a similar way, there will be more emotion because we know he killed his father too.

Just came back from the second viewing. Enjoyed it much more than the first time around. One thing I noticed in greater detail, was when Han is talking to Kylo, the "light" is shining on them from the outside sun that's being drained when Kylo is asking for Han's help. As soon as the sun dies, the light goes out with it they zoom in on them two and Kylos face is lit up in red and that's when he turns back and kills Han. Pretty cool effect Indidnt pick up on the first time.

Did you catch anything in the Rey flash back scene we have overlooked? I feel like I need to watch that in slow motion to get everything.

What kind of ship was leaving when Rey was a little girl? They showed the back of it. Looked similar to the first ship Leia was on in IV... I forget the name of the freighter.

Tantive IV: http://www.comicvine.com/api/image/scale_medium/3401952-5603261127-wallp.jpgInteresting thought, I'll check my phone video see if I can tell it's a match. I rememebr this ship being more rounded. I'll get back to ya...

Nope, it's not the Tantive IV:

http://s14.postimg.org/hm0n5w04h/image.jpg

 

[NewlyRetired]

It is great that the short flash back scene is getting so much conversation going. That is exactly what I bet the writers hoped it would do to plant seeds.

 

[packersfan]

It is great that the short flash back scene is getting so much conversation going. That is exactly what I bet the writers hoped it would do to plant seeds.

It's also one of the two moments in the film where Luke is prominently featured. Given his importance and the lack of his character in this film every second of time connected to him is going to become a real big deal. But yeah, that was a strong moment that I'm sure Abrams and Kasdan were hoping would spark discussion and it has.

 

[Insein]

I'm going to go see it again with my nephew. I don't think my kids will be able to sit through it (4 years old). I'm torn because I want them to see it but I don't want to force them and ruin it if they get scared. But then I don't want them to be 25 or 30 and say why didn't you ever take me to see it?!

Ugh

 

[packersfan]

One of my issues with the film is that as a huge fan of the first three films I really wanted to see everyone together again. With Han dead that means that won't happen so the fact there wasn't a single scene with them together in this film stinks even more for me personally.

 

[Wingnut]

Going back a few pages but the Han death scene was not all that emotional. However if Kylo kills Leia in a similar way, there will be more emotion because we know he killed his father too.

Had I not known for 20 years that Ford wanted this character to die, it would have had more emotion for me. I simply expected it going in.

Yup. I posted that too. That's where knowing so much behind-the-scenes stuff influences my reaction to the story. If I didn't know anything about Ford's desire to have Han killed that scene would've been far more powerful.

I'm glad I know nothing other than what I've seen in the movies. Before yesterday I had never heard of Kylo Ren, Rey, Snoke, etc.

 

[nysfl2]

Thought it was OK until Han's death. Really picked up after that.

Maybe it's been discussed, but my biggest gripe is Chewy walking right past Leia after they return.

Leia probably kept Han from hanging out with him while they were married, then spent the last 20 years listening to Han tell him what a ##### she was. Not that surprising that Chewie would just be like 'F that #####'.

 

[sports_fan]

Album and video (low quality) of Rey's flashback.

 

[packersfan]

Going back a few pages but the Han death scene was not all that emotional. However if Kylo kills Leia in a similar way, there will be more emotion because we know he killed his father too.

Had I not known for 20 years that Ford wanted this character to die, it would have had more emotion for me. I simply expected it going in.

Yup. I posted that too. That's where knowing so much behind-the-scenes stuff influences my reaction to the story. If I didn't know anything about Ford's desire to have Han killed that scene would've been far more powerful.

I'm glad I know nothing other than what I've seen in the movies. Before yesterday I had never heard of Kylo Ren, Rey, Snoke, etc.

I knew next-to-nothing about the new characters but I've read mountains of stuff about the first 3 films and the actors involved. Impossible to read anything about Ford's career and not come across his thoughts about Han at some point.

 

[Billy Bats]

Thinking back to JJ and the way he tells of being asked to do the movie, he's says Kennedy asked him a question and he was hooked immediately to doing SW. The simple question she asked was "who is Luke Skywalker?". It's weird considering we see him for about :45 seconds in the one he directed, but also telling in that the next two will focus mainly on him, and what had happened to him.

 

[Insein]

The Han scene wasn't suspenseful for me because you knew he was going down. Long narrow bridge over an infinite chasm. That's where Star wars sends its characters to die.

Side note, what purpose does that bridge serve? There are no side rails!

 

[NewlyRetired]

Thinking back to JJ and the way he tells of being asked to do the movie, he's says Kennedy asked him a question and he was hooked immediately to doing SW. The simple question she asked was "who is Luke Skywalker?". It's weird considering we see him for about :45 seconds in the one he directed, but also telling in that the next two will focus mainly on him, and what had happened to him.

Here is an interesting trivia question.

Was Mark Hamil the highest listed actor in the credits* ever who had no lines? He was listed second I believe.

*discounting order of appearence credits....

 

[packersfan]

Thinking back to JJ and the way he tells of being asked to do the movie, he's says Kennedy asked him a question and he was hooked immediately to doing SW. The simple question she asked was "who is Luke Skywalker?". It's weird considering we see him for about :45 seconds in the one he directed, but also telling in that the next two will focus mainly on him, and what had happened to him.

At his center, the Star Wars saga has been about the Skywalker family with Luke the focal point. Given his age he's no longer in position probably to fight valiantly to save the galaxy anymore which would mean it would be left to someone else in his family. I doubt the next two films are about Kylo suddenly turning good so that leaves Rey to be revealed as Luke's daughter and the new savior of the galaxy.

 

[cstu]

One of my issues with the film is that as a huge fan of the first three films I really wanted to see everyone together again. With Han dead that means that won't happen so the fact there wasn't a single scene with them together in this film stinks even more for me personally.

Surprised more fans aren't bothered by this. The last scene of Jedi was a huge celebration and the next thing you know Han is killed by his own son.

 

[packersfan]

Thinking back to JJ and the way he tells of being asked to do the movie, he's says Kennedy asked him a question and he was hooked immediately to doing SW. The simple question she asked was "who is Luke Skywalker?". It's weird considering we see him for about :45 seconds in the one he directed, but also telling in that the next two will focus mainly on him, and what had happened to him.

Here is an interesting trivia question.

Was Mark Hamil the highest listed actor in the credits* ever who had no lines? He was listed second I believe.

*discounting order of appearence credits....

I was wondering about that too. After the film was over I thought about the picture of the first table read that was posted and how much fun it was for Hamill to just sit there the whole time and do nothing.

Also, the first time in a Star Wars film a non-Jedi was credited first.

And likely the last. RIP Solo.

 

[NewlyRetired]

It is great that the short flash back scene is getting so much conversation going. That is exactly what I bet the writers hoped it would do to plant seeds.

It's also one of the two moments in the film where Luke is prominently featured. Given his importance and the lack of his character in this film every second of time connected to him is going to become a real big deal. But yeah, that was a strong moment that I'm sure Abrams and Kasdan were hoping would spark discussion and it has.

Damn I missed so much in this scene. I thought the scene was mostly from Luke's perspective that Rey experienced. Outside of his hand on R2, where else does he show up in that flash back?

 

[Mario Kart]

Going back a few pages but the Han death scene was not all that emotional. However if Kylo kills Leia in a similar way, there will be more emotion because we know he killed his father too.

Like always, completely disagree. My theatre was in shock. Very gripping scene.

I was totally

Um, the light getting sucked out of the planet while they talked was a metaphor for the ending of life. Han wasn't killing Kylo at that moment.

 

[Insein]

One of my issues with the film is that as a huge fan of the first three films I really wanted to see everyone together again. With Han dead that means that won't happen so the fact there wasn't a single scene with them together in this film stinks even more for me personally.

Surprised more fans aren't bothered by this. The last scene of Jedi was a huge celebration and the next thing you know Han is killed by his own son.

A lot of limitations with the age of the actors. If they did this 16 years ago, Ford, Fisher and Hamill were in a lot better shape. They had to move the story forward.

 

[packersfan]

One of my issues with the film is that as a huge fan of the first three films I really wanted to see everyone together again. With Han dead that means that won't happen so the fact there wasn't a single scene with them together in this film stinks even more for me personally.

Surprised more fans aren't bothered by this. The last scene of Jedi was a huge celebration and the next thing you know Han is killed by his own son.

Empire remains the best film of the series by far in my opinion and the characters spent most of it separated but even though Jedi isn't on Empire's level there are parts of it I really enjoyed more, namely the scenes when the three characters are reunited. That's the hook of the series for me - those three characters. It's what drove the first film and what I love most about it. Knowing we'll never seem them together again is really depressing to me as a fan.

Jub Jub.

 

[Insein]

Yea I'm not getting the Poe tie in. He feels more like Wedge than Luke or Han.

 

[packersfan]

One of my issues with the film is that as a huge fan of the first three films I really wanted to see everyone together again. With Han dead that means that won't happen so the fact there wasn't a single scene with them together in this film stinks even more for me personally.

Surprised more fans aren't bothered by this. The last scene of Jedi was a huge celebration and the next thing you know Han is killed by his own son.

A lot of limitations with the age of the actors. If they did this 16 years ago, Ford, Fisher and Hamill were in a lot better shape. They had to move the story forward.

You can do this and still have all of them together. The decision was made to exile Luke and kill off Han so that meant that wouldn't happen. That was a writer's choice. I'm not saying either choices were bad and in terms of fueling the big picture story it's likely both were significant. I'm just saying as a fan it really sucks that Jedi is the last time it will happen. Hell, I geeked out just seeing them together at Comic-Con this year.

 

[Billy Bats]

Thinking back to JJ and the way he tells of being asked to do the movie, he's says Kennedy asked him a question and he was hooked immediately to doing SW. The simple question she asked was "who is Luke Skywalker?". It's weird considering we see him for about :45 seconds in the one he directed, but also telling in that the next two will focus mainly on him, and what had happened to him.

At his center, the Star Wars saga has been about the Skywalker family with Luke the focal point. Given his age he's no longer in position probably to fight valiantly to save the galaxy anymore which would mean it would be left to someone else in his family. I doubt the next two films are about Kylo suddenly turning good so that leaves Rey to be revealed as Luke's daughter and the new savior of the galaxy.

It's not. The first six were about Anakin and his fall and subsequent return to the light side. "Return of the Jedi" is referring to Anakin.(as much as its referring to Luke)

 

[Insein]

One of my issues with the film is that as a huge fan of the first three films I really wanted to see everyone together again. With Han dead that means that won't happen so the fact there wasn't a single scene with them together in this film stinks even more for me personally.

Surprised more fans aren't bothered by this. The last scene of Jedi was a huge celebration and the next thing you know Han is killed by his own son.

A lot of limitations with the age of the actors. If they did this 16 years ago, Ford, Fisher and Hamill were in a lot better shape. They had to move the story forward.

You can do this and still have all of them together. The decision was made to exile Luke and kill off Han so that meant that wouldn't happen. That was a writer's choice. I'm not saying either choices were bad and in terms of fueling the big picture story it's likely both were significant. I'm just saying as a fan it really sucks that Jedi is the last time it will happen. Hell, I geeked out just seeing them together at Comic-Con this year.

True.

 

[packersfan]

It is great that the short flash back scene is getting so much conversation going. That is exactly what I bet the writers hoped it would do to plant seeds.

It's also one of the two moments in the film where Luke is prominently featured. Given his importance and the lack of his character in this film every second of time connected to him is going to become a real big deal. But yeah, that was a strong moment that I'm sure Abrams and Kasdan were hoping would spark discussion and it has.

Damn I missed so much in this scene. I thought the scene was mostly from Luke's perspective that Rey experienced. Outside of his hand on R2, where else does he show up in that flash back?

That's it. The second moment I was referring to is the final scene.

 

[Mario Kart]

Going back a few pages but the Han death scene was not all that emotional. However if Kylo kills Leia in a similar way, there will be more emotion because we know he killed his father too.

Had I not known for 20 years that Ford wanted this character to die, it would have had more emotion for me. I simply expected it going in.

I'm not so sure that was a factor this time. Yes, Ford said that back then. But now it made sense for him to die because you want to remove the impression that a big name character can't die. Helps to move on to the new characters. Leia isn't as essential to fans. Chewie is ageless, you can change his actors and it wouldn't make a difference. Chewie is a great way to maintain a link to the older films and kids will love him too. So basically that left Han or Luke to die. Luke has the greater role in the scheme of things. So, it was Han.

I look forward to Chewie in a "Red Viper vs. The Mountain" fight scene to avenge Han's death.

That's a thought. Haven't seen Chewie go all Wookie on anything ever.

 

[packersfan]

Thinking back to JJ and the way he tells of being asked to do the movie, he's says Kennedy asked him a question and he was hooked immediately to doing SW. The simple question she asked was "who is Luke Skywalker?". It's weird considering we see him for about :45 seconds in the one he directed, but also telling in that the next two will focus mainly on him, and what had happened to him.

At his center, the Star Wars saga has been about the Skywalker family with Luke the focal point. Given his age he's no longer in position probably to fight valiantly to save the galaxy anymore which would mean it would be left to someone else in his family. I doubt the next two films are about Kylo suddenly turning good so that leaves Rey to be revealed as Luke's daughter and the new savior of the galaxy.

It's not. The first six were about Anakin and his fall and subsequent return to the light side. "Return of the Jedi" is referring to Anakin.(as much as its referring to Luke)

I don't consider the prequels Star Wars films. It ensures I enjoy everything much more by doing it that way.

I think the first three films are clearly about Luke at their core. Not dismissing what Vader does at the end but in my opinion it's about Luke growing up and becoming a man (i.e. Jedi). It's his story. I'm guessing Abrams would agree and if so it's likely a Skywalker will remain front and center going forward. Kylo is a Solo so that leaves us with ...

Rey.

Unless you think Luke was gettin some Jungle Fever action and Finn is really his kid. Which would be a pretty cool plot twist.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Assuming Rey spends time with Luke in the next two movies that might open up one more spot to tie to the past if Chewy goes to look for Lando for help.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Are they setting up a Rey/Fin romance or more of a friendship?

 

[packersfan]

Assuming Rey spends time with Luke in the next two movies that might open up one more spot to tie to the past if Chewy goes to look for Lando for help.

I can appreciate not knowing how to fit Lando into this story but I gotta think he's in at least one of the next two. They brought back Ackbar for Christ sake. Lando's gotta be coming back at some point.

 

[packersfan]

Are they setting up a Rey/Fin romance or more of a friendship?

Looks like more than friendship to me.

But I've thought that about a lotta girls over the years so what the hell do I know.

 

[NewlyRetired]

You guys have come up with great points about why Rey could be a Skywalker or why Rey could be a Solo.

One other thing I remembered was that during the scene where Kylo tries to read her mind in the chair, he says that Rey considers "Han Solo the father she never had"

Might be another possibility for the mind wipe as a Solo child to protect her...

 

[Gator Shawn]

I just got back a few minutes ago. A few comments:

- Love Kylo Ren (Ben Solo) being more like a petulant child than a full fledged Sith lord. Loved the tantrums.

- Great injections of humor without going overboard.

- While they were very explicit early and throughout that Kylo is Han and Leia's son, the same cannot be said for Rey. I think it's heavily implied that she is Luke's daughter and I think we're all supposed to believe that, but to my knowledge at no point did anyone acknowledge that or say it. I am not sure who else she would be if not, but since they are not tied to the expanded universe here, does it make sense that Luke did have kids if he was supposed to be starting a new "Jedi" order? (ETA: I didn't realize this was already a big part of this thread, I didn't read ahead before I saw the movie)

- BB-8 is a star.

- I was hoping the presense of Rey would spark R2-D2 back to action, not Chewie.

- Finn was cool.

- I loved Chewie being a huge baby when he got shot in the arm.

One annoying thing. Finn said that the big death star was powered by the sun. Uh, sun? Don't you mean star? Solaris, our star is the "Sun." Seems like a script issue someone might have caught.

Put me in the camp of Rey isn't Luke's Daughter. Some good possibilities here:

http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2015/dec/19/star-wars-the-force-awakens-the-five-finest-fan-theories

 

[Jobber]

I'm going to go see it again with my nephew. I don't think my kids will be able to sit through it (4 years old). I'm torn because I want them to see it but I don't want to force them and ruin it if they get scared. But then I don't want them to be 25 or 30 and say why didn't you ever take me to see it?!

Ugh

Wait and bring them to the drive in when it shows there.

 

[packersfan]

You guys have come up with great points about why Rey could be a Skywalker or why Rey could be a Solo.

One other thing I remembered was that during the scene where Kylo tries to read her mind in the chair, he says that Rey considers "Han Solo the father she never had"

Might be another possibility for the mind wipe as a Solo child to protect her...

That scene for me is the strongest reason why she isn't a Solo (that and Han having no idea who she is to begin with). Kylo says that and adds something along the lines of "He'll disappoint you." Given how he can feel his father's presence on the planet you would think he'd know who his sister was if he was reading her mind. Granted her memories of being a Solo would be removed and maybe Kylo's too (that's a lotta work for Luke to do there, wipe someone's memory after he's turned to the Dark Side and aligned against him) but I doubt Kylo would lose entirely the presence of his own family if he was near them.

She's gotta be Luke's kid. The whole flashback scene with the lightsaber and the weapon going to her when she wills it at the end make little sense if she isn't. Those two scenes screamed out a strong connection between Luke and Rey and not an Uncle-Niece kind. Plus having Luke be an actual father would be a good way of not just having him be the New Obi-Wan Father Figure. Gives him more at stake as well.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I'm going to go see it again with my nephew. I don't think my kids will be able to sit through it (4 years old). I'm torn because I want them to see it but I don't want to force them and ruin it if they get scared. But then I don't want them to be 25 or 30 and say why didn't you ever take me to see it?!

Ugh

Wait and bring them to the drive in when it shows there.

or he could just wait. His child will be close to 7 when Episode 9 comes out. And I bet you would be able to see all 3 new ones in the theater at that time.

In the mean time you could have him watch 4, 5 and 6 when he was a little older (say 6 years old or so) and could appreciate them more than he could at 4.

 

[AAABatteries]

The farther I get from having watched VII, the more I appreciate how special it was. After the disasters that were the prequels, I was expecting to be let down. Instead, I watched the original cast work seamlessly with a talented and charismatic new group. It was such a big task to bring them back and not make it feel forced or corny, but it truly just picked up where Jedi left off.

It is corny and cheeseball to say "I felt like a kid again" but I really did. I understand it is just entertainment, but Star Wars was such an "important" part of people growing up in the 80s. Tony Gwynn is not going to return to the lineup, Junior is not going to turn around the Chargers defense, and watching old cartoons and shows with my kids is fun but in the end just makes me feel old (not that that is bad, it just is what it is)...but for 2 1/2 hours, I really did feel like I was transported back to a different time. It was wonderful.

 

[NewlyRetired]

You guys have come up with great points about why Rey could be a Skywalker or why Rey could be a Solo.

One other thing I remembered was that during the scene where Kylo tries to read her mind in the chair, he says that Rey considers "Han Solo the father she never had"

Might be another possibility for the mind wipe as a Solo child to protect her...

That scene for me is the strongest reason why she isn't a Solo (that and Han having no idea who she is to begin with). Kylo says that and adds something along the lines of "He'll disappoint you." Given how he can feel his father's presence on the planet you would think he'd know who his sister was if he was reading her mind. Granted her memories of being a Solo would be removed and maybe Kylo's too (that's a lotta work for Luke to do there, wipe someone's memory after he's turned to the Dark Side and aligned against him) but I doubt Kylo would lose entirely the presence of his own family if he was near them.

She's gotta be Luke's kid. The whole flashback scene with the lightsaber and the weapon going to her when she wills it at the end make little sense if she isn't. Those two scenes screamed out a strong connection between Luke and Rey and not an Uncle-Niece kind. Plus having Luke be an actual father would be a good way of not just having him be the New Obi-Wan Father Figure. Gives him more at stake as well.

I am leaning 90% Skywalker, 5% Solo, 5% JJ is just having a grand time mind screwing everyone with some thing totally off the wall like Obi Wan's decedent or something.

 

[packersfan]

I can't see there being a new cast without a Skywalker in the bunch. Again I don't think Kylo counts because 1) He's a Solo and 2) He's the new bad guy. Even if we include the prequels every film has been about a Skywalker. I can't see that ending now. Plus the Skywalker Goes Evil story has been told (poorly) so I don't see that happening again either. There has to be a Good Skywalker to fight evil and Luke is in more of a position to mentor now than be the actual hero.

 

[NewlyRetired]

- I was hoping the presense of Rey would spark R2-D2 back to action, not Chewie.

someone postulated earlier that it was Rey's presence who made R2 wake up as he did not wake up before she got there if memory serves.

I took that to possibly mean R2 was waiting for Luke and sensed another Skywalker instead that he did not recognize as Leia.

 

[GoFishTN]

You guys have come up with great points about why Rey could be a Skywalker or why Rey could be a Solo.

One other thing I remembered was that during the scene where Kylo tries to read her mind in the chair, he says that Rey considers "Han Solo the father she never had"

Might be another possibility for the mind wipe as a Solo child to protect her...

That scene for me is the strongest reason why she isn't a Solo (that and Han having no idea who she is to begin with). Kylo says that and adds something along the lines of "He'll disappoint you." Given how he can feel his father's presence on the planet you would think he'd know who his sister was if he was reading her mind. Granted her memories of being a Solo would be removed and maybe Kylo's too (that's a lotta work for Luke to do there, wipe someone's memory after he's turned to the Dark Side and aligned against him) but I doubt Kylo would lose entirely the presence of his own family if he was near them.

She's gotta be Luke's kid. The whole flashback scene with the lightsaber and the weapon going to her when she wills it at the end make little sense if she isn't. Those two scenes screamed out a strong connection between Luke and Rey and not an Uncle-Niece kind. Plus having Luke be an actual father would be a good way of not just having him be the New Obi-Wan Father Figure. Gives him more at stake as well.

The movies are about the Skywalkers. 1-3 is Anakin. 4-6 is Luke. 7-9 is Rey. She's definitely his daughter.

 

[packersfan]

- I was hoping the presense of Rey would spark R2-D2 back to action, not Chewie.

someone postulated earlier that it was Rey's presence who made R2 wake up as he did not wake up before she got there if memory serves.

I took that to possibly mean R2 was waiting for Luke and sensed another Skywalker instead that he did not recognize as Leia.

My initial thought was R2 was sensing Luke's presence in some fashion. Perhaps Luke sensed Han's death (which he surely did) and that led him to reach out to R2 in some way. The scene of him touching R2 in the flashback had a strong Vulcan mind meld vibe for me. It looked as if Luke was implanting something in R2.

ETA - didn't C3PO say something to the effect that R2 shut down when Luke left? If that's the case then it's very possible he woke back up thanks to something triggered by Luke.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

What was the specific reason R2 woke up right when he did? They had been in that location for a while and BB8 tried to get him to move but he would not.

What made him later realize he had the rest of the map info that he could have given earlier?

My guess would be that Luke felt a tremor in the Force when Han died and it was stated by 3PO that R2 hadn't been the same. The feeling that Luke was sensed brought up his energy. Thats all I got.

 

[NewlyRetired]

- I was hoping the presense of Rey would spark R2-D2 back to action, not Chewie.

someone postulated earlier that it was Rey's presence who made R2 wake up as he did not wake up before she got there if memory serves.

I took that to possibly mean R2 was waiting for Luke and sensed another Skywalker instead that he did not recognize as Leia.

My initial thought was R2 was sensing Luke's presence in some fashion. Perhaps Luke sensed Han's death (which he surely did) and that led him to reach out to R2 in some way. The scene of him touching R2 in the flashback had a strong Vulcan mind meld vibe for me. It looked as if Luke was implanting something in R2.

ETA - didn't C3PO say something to the effect that R2 shut down when Luke left? If that's the case then it's very possible he woke back up thanks to something triggered by Luke.

oh! I like that idea of Luke touching R2 that way. Good pick up! I hope that gets fleshed out more as we go forward.

It is almost certain that Luke sensed Han's death since Leia did (at least that is how the edit made it look).

Assuming Luke is basically marooned on what ever planet he went to, he might be reaching out to R2 to come get him.

By the way, did Luke himself break the map into 2 pieces? I did not quite understand how Max Von Sydow got his piece of the map............?

 

[Riversco]

On 2nd viewing I liked Kylo Ren much better. Criticisms of him as juvenile are ridiculous. He's a great bad guy. Quite conflicted but awesome. I think he is going to become absolutely insane and fearsome in the next two movies.

My other complaint was how everyone seemed to be able to handle a lightsaber pretty damn easily. I can understand Rey since she has the force but Finn? That was too much for me given the importance of this weapon in connection with the Jedi and the Force. He shouldn't be able to just pick it up and kick ### with it. .

Finn is a trained stormtrooper from a very young age. He has advanced weaponry skills of all kinds. More than a blaster, he could jump into the Falcons gun turret and shoot down TIE fighters. It makes sense he could be trained with laser swords as well.

 

[Billy Bats]

Album and video (low quality) of Rey's flashback.

So at the end of the flashback, I'm trying to figure out the last whisper. Sounds like it is McGregor's Kenobi saying

"He was among the first senators that knew you"?

 

[Billy Bats]

You guys have come up with great points about why Rey could be a Skywalker or why Rey could be a Solo.

One other thing I remembered was that during the scene where Kylo tries to read her mind in the chair, he says that Rey considers "Han Solo the father she never had"

Might be another possibility for the mind wipe as a Solo child to protect her...

That scene for me is the strongest reason why she isn't a Solo (that and Han having no idea who she is to begin with). Kylo says that and adds something along the lines of "He'll disappoint you." Given how he can feel his father's presence on the planet you would think he'd know who his sister was if he was reading her mind. Granted her memories of being a Solo would be removed and maybe Kylo's too (that's a lotta work for Luke to do there, wipe someone's memory after he's turned to the Dark Side and aligned against him) but I doubt Kylo would lose entirely the presence of his own family if he was near them.She's gotta be Luke's kid. The whole flashback scene with the lightsaber and the weapon going to her when she wills it at the end make little sense if she isn't. Those two scenes screamed out a strong connection between Luke and Rey and not an Uncle-Niece kind. Plus having Luke be an actual father would be a good way of not just having him be the New Obi-Wan Father Figure. Gives him more at stake as well.

The movies are about the Skywalkers. 1-3 is Anakin. 4-6 is Luke. 7-9 is Rey. She's definitely his daughter.

Good points doods.

 

[packersfan]

On 2nd viewing I liked Kylo Ren much better. Criticisms of him as juvenile are ridiculous. He's a great bad guy. Quite conflicted but awesome. I think he is going to become absolutely insane and fearsome in the next two movies.

My other complaint was how everyone seemed to be able to handle a lightsaber pretty damn easily. I can understand Rey since she has the force but Finn? That was too much for me given the importance of this weapon in connection with the Jedi and the Force. He shouldn't be able to just pick it up and kick ### with it. .

Finn is a trained stormtrooper from a very young age. He has advanced weaponry skills of all kinds. More than a blaster, he could jump into the Falcons gun turret and shoot down TIE fighters. It makes sense he could be trained with laser swords as well.

But this isn't an ordinary weapon. It's a Jedi's weapon. It's special. That's my point. I think it gets de-valued if anybody off the street can pick it up and start kicking ### with it. Now if we find out later there's more going on with Finn that would explain it. But I'm not treating a Jedi's weapon like a standard ordinary weapon. It's always carried a revered place in this world and I think that's for a reason. Only a select few can use it effectively. Rey using it makes sense since she has the force and may be Luke's daughter. In my opinion Finn doesn't based on what we know about him at the present time.

Just my two cents.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Album and video (low quality) of Rey's flashback.

So at the end of the flashback, I'm trying to figure out the last whisper. Sounds like it is McGregor's Kenobi saying

"He was among the first senators that knew you"?

wtf could that mean?

I still feel like we are going to see ghost(s) in either 8 or 9.

 

[packersfan]

Album and video (low quality) of Rey's flashback.

So at the end of the flashback, I'm trying to figure out the last whisper. Sounds like it is McGregor's Kenobi saying

"He was among the first senators that knew you"?

wtf could that mean?

I still feel like we are going to see ghost(s) in either 8 or 9.

At the 24-second mark is Luke's scream from Empire when Vader tells him he's his father.

Someone says "Rey" around the 58-second mark. Sounds like Obi-Wan.

I have a feeling I'm gonna be watching this A LOT now.