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STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)

Seemed to me that at least Han knew who Rey is, at the table with Maz she asks him "so Han who is the girl?" And they switch the scene and you don't hear his answer. I think someone else was asked as well with no answer. So I think they know, we just haven't been told.
Thing is, I have to believe Han knew who she was as not long after meeting up with her, he says he's thinking about offering her a job. Why do that so quickly unless he knows who she is? :shrug:
Good point too Servo.

Also, to me anyway, seemed like Leia gave her a loving look and embrace at the end. More of a familial touch then just a "good luck stranger girl".

 
You guys keep calling Ren a sith, but I don't believe that he is yet.
Brought that up earlier. Don't think he ever will be, the Knights of Ren are a group in touch with the dark side. I think that's as far as it goes and we'll never hear Sith in the new trilogy.

 
You guys keep calling Ren a sith, but I don't believe that he is yet.
Brought that up earlier. Don't think he ever will be, the Knights of Ren are a group in touch with the dark side. I think that's as far as it goes and we'll never hear Sith in the new trilogy.
Did Maz not name the Sith in her little spiel to Rey? Not that it's important, unless Kylo rebels against the Ren and dons the Darth moniker.
 
So were those just his soldier instincts and stormtrooper training kicking in, or is Finn also Force sensitive? He didn't show any signs other than semi-competence with a light saber.
He seemed to be a pretty good shot both times he had a new gun system in his control.

Kylo did not have the gravitas of Vader or Darth Maul to me. Just seemed kind of like a watered down Vader.
He's got to get the walk down. He walked too fast and lanky. You can't have cool entrance music until you get the Walk down.

It did bug me that Chewie just walked past Leia when they returned following Han's death:(
That stood out to me as well.

 
You guys keep calling Ren a sith, but I don't believe that he is yet.
Brought that up earlier. Don't think he ever will be, the Knights of Ren are a group in touch with the dark side. I think that's as far as it goes and we'll never hear Sith in the new trilogy.
That could be what the "complete the training" is all about.
Good point, that's possible. I just assumed with this newly introduced group, they were the new baddies and the sith died with Palps and Vader.

 
You guys keep calling Ren a sith, but I don't believe that he is yet.
Brought that up earlier. Don't think he ever will be, the Knights of Ren are a group in touch with the dark side. I think that's as far as it goes and we'll never hear Sith in the new trilogy.
That could be what the "complete the training" is all about.
Good point, that's possible. I just assumed with this newly introduced group, they were the new baddies and the sith died with Palps and Vader.
Palps! What's up my man?!

 
Please explain how Han and Leia's son turns to the Dark Side. I'll wait...
Wait for what? :confused:

He was seduced by the dark side just like his grandfather. If you're asking this question here then you have to ask the same question with Vader. It's kind of a well established and major plot line that an individual can be turned to the dark side. If you don't buy into this there's really no sense watching any of the Star Wars movies.
Vader was ripped away from his mother by the Jedi, who left her to remain a slave. She was later tortured to death in front of his eyes. He had a great reason to hate the Jedi.

What is Rylo's excuse?

 
Odd that kylo is name Ben. Kylo is Luke kid and setting us up for

Kylo, i am your father. It wasn't Hans.

 
Please explain how Han and Leia's son turns to the Dark Side. I'll wait...
Wait for what? :confused: He was seduced by the dark side just like his grandfather. If you're asking this question here then you have to ask the same question with Vader. It's kind of a well established and major plot line that an individual can be turned to the dark side. If you don't buy into this there's really no sense watching any of the Star Wars movies.
Vader was ripped away from his mother by the Jedi, who left her to remain a slave. She was later tortured to death in front of his eyes. He had a great reason to hate the Jedi.

What is Rylo's excuse?
Ripped away?
 
You guys keep calling Ren a sith, but I don't believe that he is yet.
Brought that up earlier. Don't think he ever will be, the Knights of Ren are a group in touch with the dark side. I think that's as far as it goes and we'll never hear Sith in the new trilogy.
That could be what the "complete the training" is all about.
Good point, that's possible. I just assumed with this newly introduced group, they were the new baddies and the sith died with Palps and Vader.
My Star Wars obsessed nephew tells me that he believes that Supreme Commander What'sHisName (the Andy Serkis character) is Darth Plagueis.

 
Please explain how Han and Leia's son turns to the Dark Side. I'll wait...
Wait for what? :confused:

He was seduced by the dark side just like his grandfather. If you're asking this question here then you have to ask the same question with Vader. It's kind of a well established and major plot line that an individual can be turned to the dark side. If you don't buy into this there's really no sense watching any of the Star Wars movies.
Vader was ripped away from his mother by the Jedi, who left her to remain a slave. She was later tortured to death in front of his eyes. He had a great reason to hate the Jedi.

What is Rylo's excuse?
Anakin was not ripped away. While he was said leaving his mother he was more than happy to be off that planet and no longer be a slave. The Jedi treated him well and his best friend was Obi Wan.

We don't know the backstory on Kylo yet.

 
sports_fan said:
I'm thinking they're going to do something of a sendoff movie for Hans/Leia/Chewie/Luke. This one was for Hans, next will be Leia/Chewie then finally Luke.
Wookies have a lifespan of several hundred years.

Not every old character has to have a send off movie. Give Leia one next and then Luke but let us have some original characters (droids and a tall guy in a wookie suit) keep on keepin' on as long as the series last.

 
Poe looks like Nick from New Girl.

Is there a reason Boyega wasn't talking with his British accent, but Ridley was?

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Billy Bats said:
Capella said:
Billy Bats said:
Capella said:
You guys keep calling Ren a sith, but I don't believe that he is yet.
Brought that up earlier. Don't think he ever will be, the Knights of Ren are a group in touch with the dark side. I think that's as far as it goes and we'll never hear Sith in the new trilogy.
That could be what the "complete the training" is all about.
Good point, that's possible. I just assumed with this newly introduced group, they were the new baddies and the sith died with Palps and Vader.
My Star Wars obsessed nephew tells me that he believes that Supreme Commander What'sHisName (the Andy Serkis character) is Darth Plagueis.
I want him to be Plagueis but I don't think he is.

What is interesting is that when Plagueis is first spoken of during the opera scene in ROTS the music is identical to Snoke's theme in TFA.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Billy Bats said:
Capella said:
Billy Bats said:
Capella said:
You guys keep calling Ren a sith, but I don't believe that he is yet.
Brought that up earlier. Don't think he ever will be, the Knights of Ren are a group in touch with the dark side. I think that's as far as it goes and we'll never hear Sith in the new trilogy.
That could be what the "complete the training" is all about.
Good point, that's possible. I just assumed with this newly introduced group, they were the new baddies and the sith died with Palps and Vader.
My Star Wars obsessed nephew tells me that he believes that Supreme Commander What'sHisName (the Andy Serkis character) is Darth Plagueis.
Yea I got that same story from li'l Bats last night too after the movie. They're clinging onto the "he learned to cheat death" schtick. Other than Palpatine mentioning him, I could be wrong but I thought he was a big part of the great Disney star wars purge and wiped him clean? I'm not buying that one.

 
shader said:
By the way, Solo's death really hit women and children hard. That was quite a shocking moment for most. Yeah when he went walking out on the bridge you knew it was a bad idea, but that was great cinematography. That was the biggest gut-punch so far in all the Star Wars movies.
As soon as he stepped on the bridge with Rey and Finn able to observe, I knew he was dead. It was like Obi Wan dying for Luke.

 
Buzzbait said:
cstu said:
Buzzbait said:
cstu said:
Please explain how Han and Leia's son turns to the Dark Side. I'll wait...
Wait for what? :confused: He was seduced by the dark side just like his grandfather. If you're asking this question here then you have to ask the same question with Vader. It's kind of a well established and major plot line that an individual can be turned to the dark side. If you don't buy into this there's really no sense watching any of the Star Wars movies.
Vader was ripped away from his mother by the Jedi, who left her to remain a slave. She was later tortured to death in front of his eyes. He had a great reason to hate the Jedi.

What is Rylo's excuse?
Anakin was not ripped away. While he was said leaving his mother he was more than happy to be off that planet and no longer be a slave. The Jedi treated him well and his best friend was Obi Wan.We don't know the backstory on Kylo yet.
:lol:

What was he, 9? It wasn't until later that he realized the Jedi were ####ing ###holes.

 
Thought it was awesome that there were no previews. It's like they started by dropping the mic. Previews? That's for movies. This is an EVENT.

Still missed the 20th Century Fox theme...

 
Skoo said:
Man, I can't wait to see it again! Everything we've been waiting for.

I thought they did a really good job of introducing all of the old stuff - Han/Chewy, the Falcon, C3PO, R2D2, Vader's mask and lightsaber. All very well done IMO.

Rey's powers were being discussed on another board - namely that she developed them so quickly. While Luke had to go through all that training, Rey almost instantly learned how to use the force. (did those "flashbacks" help?) I guess they can explain that away pretty easily though, they could reveal she has an even higher midichlorian count than Vader.
The only explanation I can think of is Luke/the Force using her as a vessel almost. Like Luke imprinted on her once she touched the lightsaber.

 
Buzzbait said:
cstu said:
Buzzbait said:
cstu said:
Please explain how Han and Leia's son turns to the Dark Side. I'll wait...
Wait for what? :confused: He was seduced by the dark side just like his grandfather. If you're asking this question here then you have to ask the same question with Vader. It's kind of a well established and major plot line that an individual can be turned to the dark side. If you don't buy into this there's really no sense watching any of the Star Wars movies.
Vader was ripped away from his mother by the Jedi, who left her to remain a slave. She was later tortured to death in front of his eyes. He had a great reason to hate the Jedi.

What is Rylo's excuse?
Anakin was not ripped away. While he was said leaving his mother he was more than happy to be off that planet and no longer be a slave. The Jedi treated him well and his best friend was Obi Wan.We don't know the backstory on Kylo yet.
:lol:

What was he, 9? It wasn't until later that he realized the Jedi were ####ing ###holes.
You know when he thought they were ####ing ###holes? After Sidious got in his head which is exactly the point.

He had no issues (he wasn't ripped) going with them when he was younger as you claimed. He was turned by Sidious and then, and only then, did he have a problem with the Jedi. Is this really that hard to understand?

 
Thought it was awesome that there were no previews. It's like they started by dropping the mic. Previews? That's for movies. This is an EVENT.

Still missed the 20th Century Fox theme...
I had previews at my theater.
Had previews at mine also. It did feel like when they ended, that we dropped right into the movie and everybody cheered.
:yes: When the Lucasfilm logo appeared, there was nervous chatter. When STAR WARS appeared, there was applause and cheering.

 
My theory on how Kylo was turned to the dark side: Snope sent him dark visions/ dreams (like Vader had before his turn). His visions were of his grandfather, Vader, espousing on Kylo's destiny to rule the universe and assert order as Vader failed to do. enough of that on an impressionable, likely unbalanced kid...

 
The Football Freak said:
MattFancy said:
The Football Freak said:
MattFancy said:
Loved it! Any thoughts on who Rey is?
Luke's daughter. This time they are cousins, end it explains why she is stronger. karlo was from Leah, Rey is from Luke is my guess
I was thinking the same thing
It does make sense, I think. Luke had a kid, but the empire wasn't finished off, and things were still dangerous. She had to be hidden, probably staying with the mom. When this event with Luke's padawan went down, maybe he knew where she was, so Rey had to be hidden completely.
Could be Leia's daughter. Han didn't know about her, because he ran off. That would explain the long hug Ren and Leah had after Han's death. They hadn't met at that point.

BB8's longer antennae, the one Rey straightens keeps going from all black to white with a black at the base and tip for the first half of the movie. It's the black and white the rest of the way.

 
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The Football Freak said:
MattFancy said:
The Football Freak said:
MattFancy said:
Loved it! Any thoughts on who Rey is?
Luke's daughter. This time they are cousins, end it explains why she is stronger. karlo was from Leah, Rey is from Luke is my guess
I was thinking the same thing
It does make sense, I think. Luke had a kid, but the empire wasn't finished off, and things were still dangerous. She had to be hidden, probably staying with the mom. When this event with Luke's padawan went down, maybe he knew where she was, so Rey had to be hidden completely.
Could be Leah's daughter. Han didn't know about her, because he ran off. That would explain the long hug Ren and Leah had after Han's death. They hadn't met at that point.
Could be but I still think Luke makes more sense. If it were Leah's daughter I would think there's be more than a long hug.

Reasons Luke makes more sense:

1) Luke's lightsaber calling to her

2) Rey getting left on a sand ridden planet and wearing similar clothes

3) The obvious connection in the final scene with Rey holding out the lightsaber to Luke

4) If Rey were Leah's child it wouldn't make as much sense for her to let Rey go with Chewey (i.e. Leah would go herself). Knowing it was Luke's daughter however make perfect sense.

5) Han offering her a job on the MF. He did the same to Luke.

Everything IMO points to Luke but it could just be a big bait and switch.

 
The franchise is in good hands with Abrams. Easily jumps ahead of any of the prequels. The acting and directing is definitely better than Jedi, but I like the story of Jedi better. But Jedi benefits from being a resolution story while TFA is a setup story, so perhaps in the greater context of what Abrams does with the franchise I'll like this story more.

I like Kylo Ren. He's clearly powerful with the dark side, but he's also clearly a wannabe Vader...as Rey shamed him with. That he wears a mask to look the part while really not needing it is great in pushing this narrative. His temper tantrums with the lightsaber were great in showing his immaturity, his constant need to prove himself worthy of the feared respect Vader had. He likely never underwent intensive lightsaber training and thus that was one of the "Jedi Arts" he proved deficient in. Even his lightsaber, with its ragged edges, comes across as kluged together by someone who still has a lot to learn.

Rey is an awesome character and I'm convinced she's the daughter of Luke. As how Luke was separated from Anakin to protect him from the emperor, I suspect Rey was separated to protect her from Snoke. And in a similar vein to how Yoda went into exile until the time was right, I suspect Luke did the same. But also like Kenobi kept an eye on young Luke, I do think Han promised Luke to keep an eye on her: Arranging the Falcon to be nearby, picking her up shortly after leaving her homeworld...I just think it's too convenient and coincidental for the Falcon and him to be there at the right times.

My biggest complaint of the movie was the over-the-top amount of fan service. "12 parsecs!" "Do you have a trash compactor?" Referring to the Falcon as a piece of junk. I could go on and on. References to earlier movies is fine, but the movie had just *so many*. JJ needed to dial that back a bit.

 
Brady Marino said:
shader said:
Awesome movie. When you watch that you see why people hated the prequels so much. It just felt like Star Wars.

I never expected a deep plot, and I think any criticism this movie gets will be them going to the giant planet destroying weapon for the third time, but I mean this is Star Wars. Complex movie plots aren't needed.

Acting was off the charts good.

I think Rey and Finn are awesome. I love all the new characters.

The Solo death was shocking even though you kind of saw it coming. I thought Ford was awesome in this one and he had such great rapport with the new guys that I started to think he'd last another movie before his death.
Agree with all of this except for the "I love all the new characters" part.

I was not a fan of Kylo Ren. For one, he looks like the ******* child of Jim Morrison and Joey Ramone without his mask (emphasis on Ramone), but I did not like the way he delivered a lot of his lines. Maybe I'll care more about him in later movies, but let's also consider this: He got the #### kicked out of him by Rey, who only discovered she has force powers maybe a few hours before their fight. I get that he turned on Luke while still an unfinished product, but Luke fared much better when he fought Daddy Vader when HE was an unfinished product himself. Of course, Vader was a badass mofo and not a newb like Rey.

Aside from that, I really enjoyed it. Kylo's not beyond redemption, IMO.
I took it that she beat him because he was really badly hurt, moreso than it appears, by Chewie's crossbow and his conflict with the dark and good sides of the force cause his powers to wain.

 
Billy Bats said:
So where in the hell did this big ugly Leader Snoke come from??

And is he a sith, including Kylo? Seemed like they went out of their way to avoid using sith in the movie. :shrug:
Before I knew it was a giant hologram, I thought this guy looks like an elderly version of the big alien in Prometheus.

 
My biggest complaint of the movie was the over-the-top amount of fan service. "12 parsecs!" "Do you have a trash compactor?" Referring to the Falcon as a piece of junk. I could go on and on. References to earlier movies is fine, but the movie had just *so many*. JJ needed to dial that back a bit.
:no: The callbacks were essential to make TFA relatable for the old fans. They were done well and dropped in at the right times.

 
My biggest complaint of the movie was the over-the-top amount of fan service. "12 parsecs!" "Do you have a trash compactor?" Referring to the Falcon as a piece of junk. I could go on and on. References to earlier movies is fine, but the movie had just *so many*. JJ needed to dial that back a bit.
:no: The callbacks were essential to make TFA relatable for the old fans. They were done well and dropped in at the right times.
The callbacks were welcome and I enjoyed them.

 
Sabertooth said:
Sucked watching Han die though, even though you knew it was coming.

I know they mentioned it but why weren't they using the clones anymore? Also noticed a chick working on the Death Star planet. Kylo did not have the gravitas of Vader or Darth Maul to me. Just seemed kind of like a watered down Vader.
I think that's exactly what he is. He doesn't have the ability, talent with the force and lacks confidence. He's weak and is scared he can't cut it. But the pickings for the dark side are pretty slim since so many Jedi were iced in the other films.

 
In hindsight I think my only real complaint is I thought snoke was a letdown. He just looked stupid. Was that a hologram of him or is he really like 20 feet tall?

 
SkyRattlers said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
renesauz said:
Only minor nit-picks overall. Awesome movie in the end. Felt like Rey found her powers far too easily, but part of that seemed to be an overly-obvious attempt at first trilogy nostalgia. Could have used a little more uniqueness and less ANH remake.

That said, the acting and overall quality was first rate; much better than any of the others, and for all the predictability it was more than a little enjoyable. Rey and Finn had great rapport both with each other and with Harrison Ford.

I'm thinking Rey has to be Han and Leia's, probably a twin to Ren. (Note the name similarity!) Luke was a Jedi, and the Jedi generally didn't take wives or have children..wasn't that a huge part of Vader's downfall? That would still make Luke her uncle.
I don't think Ren is a part of his given name...He's a Knight of Ren so I think its a name he took after he turned.
Didn't Han yell out "Ben" when confronting him on the bridge? Maybe I misheard but I just assumed it was a tribute to Kenobi.
I thought so too. Too many names that can sound the same!

 

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