STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)

[flysack]

All the points people made about Rey being Luke's daughter are things I thought too, but the cinch was Hamil's face at the end.

Great acting.

It was total agony on that face. It's the look of a man riddled with massive guilt over the turn of his nephew, seeing that it's his daughter who found him, holding out his and his father's lightsaber, the one that was lost in Cloud City. All of that adds up to agony. Because he knows he has to train her. The Force is practically telling him to, but he doesn't want to do it.

 

[flysack]

Snope is interesting. Twisted and tortured face. The massive scar across the head is Vaderesque. The crumpled right jaw.

My first thought is he's a clone of the emperor.

That's too easy though. Got to be something else.

 

[flysack]

Also interesting that Luke is dressed as a traditional Jedi instead of the black he used to wear. The beard too. Definitely an attempt by Abrams to evoke Obi-Won.

 

[netnalp]

Seemed to me that at least Han knew who Rey is, at the table with Maz she asks him "so Han who is the girl?" And they switch the scene and you don't hear his answer. I think someone else was asked as well with no answer. So I think they know, we just haven't been told.

Thing is, I have to believe Han knew who she was as not long after meeting up with her, he says he's thinking about offering her a job. Why do that so quickly unless he knows who she is?

She fixed the Falcon and knew the controls better than Han. Why wouldn't he offer her a job?

Because it's the Han and Chewie show. Their not the kind to bring others into their fold.

They need a 3rd for the second gun turret on the Falcon

 

[Capella]

My theory on how Kylo was turned to the dark side: Snope sent him dark visions/ dreams (like Vader had before his turn). His visions were of his grandfather, Vader, espousing on Kylo's destiny to rule the universe and assert order as Vader failed to do. enough of that on an impressionable, likely unbalanced kid...

Why was he 'likely unbalanced'?

He seem well adjusted to you?

The point is how did he get that way with Han and Leia as parents - were they child abusers?

You're an extremely strange dude.

 

[Capella]

Oh hey! I just remembered a key part I thought me and my buddy heard...

Did anyone else hear Obi-Wan ghost voice speak to Rey?? It was a quick name call I think but it sounded a lot like Obi-Wan.

Definitely

When??

Correct me Cap, pretty sure it was during her flashback sequence. I forgot what he said though, glad someone else heard it.

Yup. I am looking forward to seeing still frames of that.

 

[cstu]

Please explain how Han and Leia's son turns to the Dark Side. I'll wait...

Wait for what? He was seduced by the dark side just like his grandfather. If you're asking this question here then you have to ask the same question with Vader. It's kind of a well established and major plot line that an individual can be turned to the dark side. If you don't buy into this there's really no sense watching any of the Star Wars movies.

Vader was ripped away from his mother by the Jedi, who left her to remain a slave. She was later tortured to death in front of his eyes. He had a great reason to hate the Jedi.

What is Rylo's excuse?

Anakin was not ripped away. While he was said leaving his mother he was more than happy to be off that planet and no longer be a slave. The Jedi treated him well and his best friend was Obi Wan.We don't know the backstory on Kylo yet.

What was he, 9? It wasn't until later that he realized the Jedi were ####ing ###holes.

You know when he thought they were ####ing ###holes? After Sidious got in his head which is exactly the point.He had no issues (he wasn't ripped) going with them when he was younger as you claimed. He was turned by Sidious and then, and only then, did he have a problem with the Jedi. Is this really that hard to understand?

Is it that hard to understand that Sidious was right and that Anakin was brainwashed by a cult who didn't give a damn about his mother? This same cult thought nothing of using human clones as slaves to fight in their army.

Sidious was right? Yeah, we're done here. You've been swayed by the same charismatic dark charms as Anakin.

The Jedi wouldn't even like him marry the woman he loved. Quality people there.

 

[cstu]

My theory on how Kylo was turned to the dark side: Snope sent him dark visions/ dreams (like Vader had before his turn). His visions were of his grandfather, Vader, espousing on Kylo's destiny to rule the universe and assert order as Vader failed to do. enough of that on an impressionable, likely unbalanced kid...

Why was he 'likely unbalanced'?

He seem well adjusted to you?

The point is how did he get that way with Han and Leia as parents - were they child abusers?

I think they said they gave him over to Luke at an early age.

First, I find it unlikely that Leia, who never knew her moth, would send her son away. However, if his parents did send him away at a young age then him turning to the dark side makes sense.

Pretty much everything bad in Star Wars is a result of poor parenting or not allowing people to behave like humans.

 

[Wingnut]

Carrie Fisher lost any acting chops she may have had. Totally wooden performance. Ford was pretty good, IMO.

 

[flysack]

My theory on how Kylo was turned to the dark side: Snope sent him dark visions/ dreams (like Vader had before his turn). His visions were of his grandfather, Vader, espousing on Kylo's destiny to rule the universe and assert order as Vader failed to do. enough of that on an impressionable, likely unbalanced kid...

Why was he 'likely unbalanced'?

He seem well adjusted to you?

The point is how did he get that way with Han and Leia as parents - were they child abusers?

I think they said they gave him over to Luke at an early age.

First, I find it unlikely that Leia, who never knew her moth, would send her son away. However, if his parents did send him away at a young age then him turning to the dark side makes sense.

Pretty much everything bad in Star Wars is a result of poor parenting or not allowing people to behave like humans.

I'll humor you and pat you on the back and say your trolling effort is fantastic.

 

[hagmania]

Arguing which wizard should be more powerful is ridiculous. We've got no rules and minimal context.

Kylo Ren is the evil. Evil in fantasy is often shown to be harnessing a dark, wild magic. He has power but is emotional.

The lie that the Jedi tell is that emotion is evil, yet the greatest heroes in history have been emotional.

Ok, I'm glad we agree that Star Wars is delivering a consistent message to their viewers.

Stupid me, I'm treating Star Wars like real movies.

Yeah, sorry, you're not going to convince anyone with this.

Star Wars transcends real movies, it defines generations of pop culture (and lives).

 

[cstu]

Found the quote from the movie:

Han said that Kylo has too much Vader in him. Leia says, 'I know, that's why I wanted him to train with Luke. I should have never sent him away. That's when I lost him. That's when I lost both of you.'

So his turning to the dark side was a result of being sent away for training at too young of age. Yet another failing of the Jedi.

 

[Billy Bats]

Seemed to me that at least Han knew who Rey is, at the table with Maz she asks him "so Han who is the girl?" And they switch the scene and you don't hear his answer. I think someone else was asked as well with no answer. So I think they know, we just haven't been told.

Thing is, I have to believe Han knew who she was as not long after meeting up with her, he says he's thinking about offering her a job. Why do that so quickly unless he knows who she is?

Here's more thoughts. Sorry if this was already covered.

But when we get to the cliff with Luke I wondered well why did they send ,her? Leia just met Rey for the first time(as far as we know) when they hugged(kinda weird?), and so she just sends her to find her brother? Leia's been searching the Galaxy for him and yet she sends this kid. More reasons to believe they know her.

 

[EYLive]

My theory on how Kylo was turned to the dark side: Snope sent him dark visions/ dreams (like Vader had before his turn). His visions were of his grandfather, Vader, espousing on Kylo's destiny to rule the universe and assert order as Vader failed to do. enough of that on an impressionable, likely unbalanced kid...

Why was he 'likely unbalanced'?

He seem well adjusted to you?

The point is how did he get that way with Han and Leia as parents - were they child abusers?

But they didn't raise him. I don't think Snoke hugged Kylo as a kid.

 

[netnalp]

My theory on how Kylo was turned to the dark side: Snope sent him dark visions/ dreams (like Vader had before his turn). His visions were of his grandfather, Vader, espousing on Kylo's destiny to rule the universe and assert order as Vader failed to do. enough of that on an impressionable, likely unbalanced kid...

Why was he 'likely unbalanced'?

He seem well adjusted to you?

The point is how did he get that way with Han and Leia as parents - were they child abusers?

Han ran off, Leia needed to lead the rebels. Luke might not have been the best teacher being that his training was pretty unconventional.

 

[shader]

Carrie Fisher lost any acting chops she may have had. Totally wooden performance. Ford was pretty good, IMO.

Best Star Wars movie ever in terms of acting. Fisher was the only poor performance IMO. And I don't think she was that bad, just sounded like a chain smoker.

 

[Capella]

My theory on how Kylo was turned to the dark side: Snope sent him dark visions/ dreams (like Vader had before his turn). His visions were of his grandfather, Vader, espousing on Kylo's destiny to rule the universe and assert order as Vader failed to do. enough of that on an impressionable, likely unbalanced kid...

Why was he 'likely unbalanced'?

He seem well adjusted to you?

The point is how did he get that way with Han and Leia as parents - were they child abusers?

Han ran off, Leia needed to lead the rebels. Luke might not have been the best teacher being that his training was pretty unconventional.

My buddy thinks Ren went bad because Han was a deadbeat dad who wasn't there for him. He assumes he owed on child support too.

 

[Capella]

I think in the next movie Ren goes full sith, becomes Darth Ren and then basically mirrors the Vader costume.

 

[shader]

I think in the next movie Ren goes full sith, becomes Darth Ren and then basically mirrors the Vader costume.

I feel for the writers. Going to be tough to mess w Vader. That's a bold move but half of the fans would absolutely hate it immediately without giving it a chance.

I'd love for Disney to figure out some way to get Vader in a movie though. Even if it's a stand alone.

 

[Capella]

I think in the next movie Ren goes full sith, becomes Darth Ren and then basically mirrors the Vader costume.

I feel for the writers. Going to be tough to mess w Vader. That's a bold move but half of the fans would absolutely hate it immediately without giving it a chance. I'd love for Disney to figure out some way to get Vader in a movie though. Even if it's a stand alone.

I would think he is in rogue one next year. Same time period. Maybe not but I would be surprised.

As for 8, they are building up how nuts and obsessed with Vader Ren is. When it comes time to combat Luke and Rey I could see him going that route to settle the debt.

 

[cstu]

I think in the next movie Ren goes full sith, becomes Darth Ren and then basically mirrors the Vader costume.

I feel for the writers. Going to be tough to mess w Vader. That's a bold move but half of the fans would absolutely hate it immediately without giving it a chance.

I'd love for Disney to figure out some way to get Vader in a movie though. Even if it's a stand alone.

Meh, the ones who hate it will still go see it and the rest will buy the merch.

 

[shader]

I think in the next movie Ren goes full sith, becomes Darth Ren and then basically mirrors the Vader costume.

I feel for the writers. Going to be tough to mess w Vader. That's a bold move but half of the fans would absolutely hate it immediately without giving it a chance. I'd love for Disney to figure out some way to get Vader in a movie though. Even if it's a stand alone.

I would think he is in rogue one next year. Same time period. Maybe not but I would be surprised.As for 8, they are building up how nuts and obsessed with Vader Ren is. When it comes time to combat Luke and Rey I could see him going that route to settle the debt.

I don't think rogue one will have any characters we know and love IMO.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Will give more thoughts after kids go to bed, but anybody who grew up loving Star Wars and didn't like this quite a bit has a screw loose.

 

[dschuler]

Ren doesnt seem intimidating at all. Hes also prone to temper tantrums. I mean yeah it looked like he was strong with the force, as far as powers wise (force pull, mind manipulation, etc), and somewhat adept with using that beast of a saber, he still got his butt kicked by someone who literally, 10 min earlier, realized they were force sensitive, and took 2 tries to use a jedi mind trick on a stormtrooper.

 

[Sabertooth]

I liked the storm troopers patrolling the halls and walking up to the door where Kylo was beasting. #### that,

 

[sports_fan]

Is it possible to force stop a blaster beam and swing it around like a lightsaber?

 

[Wingnut]

I think Kylo would have seemed more intimidating if he had a reason to wear the mask other than to look cool or as a gimmick.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

My theory on how Kylo was turned to the dark side: Snope sent him dark visions/ dreams (like Vader had before his turn). His visions were of his grandfather, Vader, espousing on Kylo's destiny to rule the universe and assert order as Vader failed to do. enough of that on an impressionable, likely unbalanced kid...

Why was he 'likely unbalanced'?

He seem well adjusted to you?

The point is how did he get that way with Han and Leia as parents - were they child abusers?

Han ran off, Leia needed to lead the rebels. Luke might not have been the best teacher being that his training was pretty unconventional.

My buddy thinks Ren went bad because Han was a deadbeat dad who wasn't there for him. He assumes he owed on child support too.

Kylo's dad was a smuggler and his mother was the general of a losing faction in an 30+ year intergalactic war. Generals of real life wars don't have much time with their kids. Pretty sure the kid was raised by C3PO before he was sent off for Jedi training. That is enough to #### with any kid.

 

[shader]

I think in the next movie Ren goes full sith, becomes Darth Ren and then basically mirrors the Vader costume.

I feel for the writers. Going to be tough to mess w Vader. That's a bold move but half of the fans would absolutely hate it immediately without giving it a chance. I'd love for Disney to figure out some way to get Vader in a movie though. Even if it's a stand alone.

I would think he is in rogue one next year. Same time period. Maybe not but I would be surprised.As for 8, they are building up how nuts and obsessed with Vader Ren is. When it comes time to combat Luke and Rey I could see him going that route to settle the debt.

I don't think rogue one will have any characters we know and love IMO.

A little research and I may be wrong. Rumors that Vader may be in the film, but not as the primary bad guy.

 

[Corporation]

Loved it, everything the prequels should have been. Please keep Lucas away. Order:

Empire Strikes Back

New Hope

Force Awakens

Return of the Jedi

Garbage Prequels in reverse order

 

[shader]

I think Kylo would have seemed more intimidating if he had a reason to wear the mask other than to look cool or as a gimmick.

His nose is a good reason for the mask

 

[Capella]

I think in the next movie Ren goes full sith, becomes Darth Ren and then basically mirrors the Vader costume.

I feel for the writers. Going to be tough to mess w Vader. That's a bold move but half of the fans would absolutely hate it immediately without giving it a chance. I'd love for Disney to figure out some way to get Vader in a movie though. Even if it's a stand alone.

I would think he is in rogue one next year. Same time period. Maybe not but I would be surprised.As for 8, they are building up how nuts and obsessed with Vader Ren is. When it comes time to combat Luke and Rey I could see him going that route to settle the debt.

I don't think rogue one will have any characters we know and love IMO.

A little research and I may be wrong. Rumors that Vader may be in the film, but not as the primary bad guy.

Disney is not going to have a movie set between 3 and 4 and not have Vader. No chance.

 

[Hang 10]

This movie was recycled garbage. Plot was almost beat for beat ANH. It's kinda tedious when you know exactly what's going to happen 5 minutes in. Horrible casting and horrible acting. Prequels level bad. Not sure what you guys saw in it.

 

[shader]

I think in the next movie Ren goes full sith, becomes Darth Ren and then basically mirrors the Vader costume.

I feel for the writers. Going to be tough to mess w Vader. That's a bold move but half of the fans would absolutely hate it immediately without giving it a chance. I'd love for Disney to figure out some way to get Vader in a movie though. Even if it's a stand alone.

I would think he is in rogue one next year. Same time period. Maybe not but I would be surprised.As for 8, they are building up how nuts and obsessed with Vader Ren is. When it comes time to combat Luke and Rey I could see him going that route to settle the debt.

I don't think rogue one will have any characters we know and love IMO.

A little research and I may be wrong. Rumors that Vader may be in the film, but not as the primary bad guy.

Disney is not going to have a movie set between 3 and 4 and not have Vader. No chance.

Excellent point. I just hope he actually does some Vader stuff in the movie. December 2016-May 2017 two new Star Wars movies in 6 months. Will be awesome!

 

[shader]

This movie was recycled garbage. Plot was almost beat for beat ANH. It's kinda tedious when you know exactly what's going to happen 5 minutes in. Horrible casting and horrible acting. Prequels level bad. Not sure what you guys saw in it.

Nope

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

This movie was recycled garbage. Plot was almost beat for beat ANH. It's kinda tedious when you know exactly what's going to happen 5 minutes in. Horrible casting and horrible acting. Prequels level bad. Not sure what you guys saw in it.

Yeah. Nobody is going to bite.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

My theory on how Kylo was turned to the dark side: Snope sent him dark visions/ dreams (like Vader had before his turn). His visions were of his grandfather, Vader, espousing on Kylo's destiny to rule the universe and assert order as Vader failed to do. enough of that on an impressionable, likely unbalanced kid...

Why was he 'likely unbalanced'?

He seem well adjusted to you?

The point is how did he get that way with Han and Leia as parents - were they child abusers?

Han ran off, Leia needed to lead the rebels. Luke might not have been the best teacher being that his training was pretty unconventional.

My buddy thinks Ren went bad because Han was a deadbeat dad who wasn't there for him. He assumes he owed on child support too.

Kylo's dad was a smuggler and his mother was the general of a losing faction in an 30+ year intergalactic war. Generals of real life wars don't have much time with their kids. Pretty sure the kid was raised by C3PO before he was sent off for Jedi training. That is enough to #### with any kid.

If we're really lucky, they'll address Ben Solo's turn to the dark side in a trilogy of disappointing prequels.

 

[shader]

My theory on how Kylo was turned to the dark side: Snope sent him dark visions/ dreams (like Vader had before his turn). His visions were of his grandfather, Vader, espousing on Kylo's destiny to rule the universe and assert order as Vader failed to do. enough of that on an impressionable, likely unbalanced kid...

Why was he 'likely unbalanced'?

He seem well adjusted to you?

The point is how did he get that way with Han and Leia as parents - were they child abusers?

Han ran off, Leia needed to lead the rebels. Luke might not have been the best teacher being that his training was pretty unconventional.

My buddy thinks Ren went bad because Han was a deadbeat dad who wasn't there for him. He assumes he owed on child support too.

Kylo's dad was a smuggler and his mother was the general of a losing faction in an 30+ year intergalactic war. Generals of real life wars don't have much time with their kids. Pretty sure the kid was raised by C3PO before he was sent off for Jedi training. That is enough to #### with any kid.

If we're really lucky, they'll address Ben Solo's turn to the dark side in a trilogy of disappointing prequels.

Hopefully they will start younger. I mean I feel like I missed the first eight years of Anakins life. How did he get so good at fixing things at such a young age?

 

[Hang 10]

This movie was recycled garbage. Plot was almost beat for beat ANH. It's kinda tedious when you know exactly what's going to happen 5 minutes in. Horrible casting and horrible acting. Prequels level bad. Not sure what you guys saw in it.

Yeah. Nobody is going to bite.

You're right. I'm obviously fishing because this movie wasn't anything like the first star wars. I must have imagined all the similarities.

 

[Riversco]

It was too much of a rehash of episode 4. There's only 7 star wars and now 2 of them have probably as close to the same plot as you can get without just remaking the film. Didn't strike a good balance between homage and new material at all. Not good.

 

[Stovespipe]

I must have missed it, where did R2-D2 appear from? He was all of a sudden there...

 

[Riversco]

My theory on how Kylo was turned to the dark side: Snope sent him dark visions/ dreams (like Vader had before his turn). His visions were of his grandfather, Vader, espousing on Kylo's destiny to rule the universe and assert order as Vader failed to do. enough of that on an impressionable, likely unbalanced kid...

Why was he 'likely unbalanced'?

He seem well adjusted to you?

The point is how did he get that way with Han and Leia as parents - were they child abusers?

Han ran off, Leia needed to lead the rebels. Luke might not have been the best teacher being that his training was pretty unconventional.

My buddy thinks Ren went bad because Han was a deadbeat dad who wasn't there for him. He assumes he owed on child support too.

Kylo's dad was a smuggler and his mother was the general of a losing faction in an 30+ year intergalactic war. Generals of real life wars don't have much time with their kids. Pretty sure the kid was raised by C3PO before he was sent off for Jedi training. That is enough to #### with any kid.

If we're really lucky, they'll address Ben Solo's turn to the dark side in a trilogy of disappointing prequels.

We can guess what happened.

Ben Solo's story is that he is weak with the force. He feels terrible shame from this. In his head he is going "How can the grandson and son of two great force users be so weak with the force?" I imagine him getting trained by Luke in group sessions with other kids and Ben is at or near the bottom of the class. He has some skill but not a lot. Snoke shows up and promises Ben that he will become a great force user like Vader if he uses the dark side. Ben's shame and pride do him in. This is why he says "thank you" to Han just before killing him. Ben thinks that killing his own father will bring him closer to the dark side and much more powerful. Only, it doesn't work. Rey was still able to wield the force more strongly than Ren. She willed Luke's lightsaber to her. She focused and overcame him with the force.

Episode 8 will probably send Ren on a mission to somehow meet Vader himself in order to go even darker in the hopes of gaining power. Rumor has it Hayden Christiansen has been cast in episode 8 and now it makes sense really.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

I must have missed it, where did R2-D2 appear from? He was all of a sudden there...

He was in low power mode at the Republic base.

 

[cstu]

This movie was recycled garbage. Plot was almost beat for beat ANH. It's kinda tedious when you know exactly what's going to happen 5 minutes in. Horrible casting and horrible acting. Prequels level bad. Not sure what you guys saw in it.

Looked cool though, just like Jurassic World did.

 

[sports_fan]

I must have missed it, where did R2-D2 appear from? He was all of a sudden there...

He was hiding under a tarp.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

My theory on how Kylo was turned to the dark side: Snope sent him dark visions/ dreams (like Vader had before his turn). His visions were of his grandfather, Vader, espousing on Kylo's destiny to rule the universe and assert order as Vader failed to do. enough of that on an impressionable, likely unbalanced kid...

Why was he 'likely unbalanced'?

He seem well adjusted to you?

The point is how did he get that way with Han and Leia as parents - were they child abusers?

Han ran off, Leia needed to lead the rebels. Luke might not have been the best teacher being that his training was pretty unconventional.

My buddy thinks Ren went bad because Han was a deadbeat dad who wasn't there for him. He assumes he owed on child support too.

Kylo's dad was a smuggler and his mother was the general of a losing faction in an 30+ year intergalactic war. Generals of real life wars don't have much time with their kids. Pretty sure the kid was raised by C3PO before he was sent off for Jedi training. That is enough to #### with any kid.

If we're really lucky, they'll address Ben Solo's turn to the dark side in a trilogy of disappointing prequels.

We can guess what happened.

Ben Solo's story is that he is weak with the force. He feels terrible shame from this. In his head he is going "How can the grandson and son of two great force users be so weak with the force?" I imagine him getting trained by Luke in group sessions with other kids and Ben is at or near the bottom of the class. He has some skill but not a lot. Snoke shows up and promises Ben that he will become a great force user like Vader if he uses the dark side. Ben's shame and pride do him in. This is why he says "thank you" to Han just before killing him. Ben thinks that killing his own father will bring him closer to the dark side and much more powerful. Only, it doesn't work. Rey was still able to wield the force more strongly than Ren. She willed Luke's lightsaber to her. She focused and overcame him with the force.

Episode 8 will probably send Ren on a mission to somehow meet Vader himself in order to go even darker in the hopes of gaining power. Rumor has it Hayden Christiansen has been cast in episode 8 and now it makes sense really.

Grandson and nephew of great force users. Not son. Leia is not a great force user in the movie Canon. All of that extended universe stuff was wiped out by Disney.

 

[Sabertooth]

Isn't Vader dead?

 

[Riversco]

Did anyone else think Finn was going to go Order 66 once he saw the complete map? I remember Finn and Ren exchanging looks in the Jakku village and when Finn stole the TIE fighter, Ren immediately knew which stormtrooper was doing it. It was almost like it was a setup from the start. Ren wanted the map. He was trying to get it overtly but if all else failed he plants a mole in the rebel camp to steal the map once they complete it. I was thinking it could have been some sort of suppressed order buried deep using the force, then he suggests Finn turn rebel and Finn obeys. I thought it would have been a good way to show Ren as a cunning character but didn't happen.

 

[KarmaPolice]

This movie was recycled garbage. Plot was almost beat for beat ANH. It's kinda tedious when you know exactly what's going to happen 5 minutes in. Horrible casting and horrible acting. Prequels level bad. Not sure what you guys saw in it.

Looked cool though, just like Jurassic World did.

Come on, this looked a lot better than that POS.

 

[shader]

Geez can't you guys enjoy the movie? Spoiler alert. At the end of episode 9 the good guys will win. Yeah it's going to have similarities to the first set. But it's still an amazing movie in its own right.