STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)

[Riversco]

Isn't Vader dead?

Yes. But Snoke is rumored to be Darth Plagueis. He had the power to cheat death (as told by Palpatine to Anakin in Episode 3). He might actually be able to resurrect Vader somehow.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

Did anyone else think Finn was going to go Order 66 once he saw the complete map? I remember Finn and Ren exchanging looks in the Jakku village and when Finn stole the TIE fighter, Ren immediately knew which stormtrooper was doing it. It was almost like it was a setup from the start. Ren wanted the map. He was trying to get it overtly but if all else failed he plants a mole in the rebel camp to steal the map once they complete it. I was thinking it could have been some sort of suppressed order buried deep using the force, then he suggests Finn turn rebel and Finn obeys. I thought it would have been a good way to show Ren as a cunning character but didn't happen.

It didn't happen because Ren is a petulant child. He doesn't seem to be cunning. He is all show and no go.

 

[Stovespipe]

My mind keeps going towards, how will episode 9 end...Luke sacrificing himself to save a young family member (possibly Kylo or Rey) or Rey sacrificing herself to bring balance to the force (ala Matrix 3)...hopefully something else and the story continues to stay fresh and true to the originals at the same time. No chance I don't see any of the 5 coming out- I'm rooting for them to be good!

 

[shader]

My mind keeps going towards, how will episode 9 end...Luke sacrificing himself to save a young family member (possibly Kylo or Rey) or Rey sacrificing herself to bring balance to the force (ala Matrix 3)...hopefully something else and the story continues to stay fresh and true to the originals at the same time. No chance I don't see any of the 5 coming out- I'm rooting for them to be good!

Formulaic!!

 

[Riversco]

My mind keeps going towards, how will episode 9 end...Luke sacrificing himself to save a young family member (possibly Kylo or Rey) or Rey sacrificing herself to bring balance to the force (ala Matrix 3)...hopefully something else and the story continues to stay fresh and true to the originals at the same time. No chance I don't see any of the 5 coming out- I'm rooting for them to be good!

I'd bet Episode 8 ends with Luke vs Vader III and then Rey vs Vader.

Episode 9 will be Luke vs Snoke and Rey vs a very corrupted and powerful Ren.

I'm not sure who Ren fights in episode 8. He has no good matchups. Maybe Vader becomes very unstable once resurrected and the finale is Ren vs a crazed Vader. Sith vs Sith might actually be pretty interesting.

 

[None_More_Black]

What I didn't like:

I didn't like how Ray can fly a ship and perform moves better than Han, I don't like how she can fix everything and I mean EVERYTHING. I don't like how she beat Kylo in the saber fight with 0 training. I understand Kylo was hurt, but throughout the whole movie you're thinking this guy is bad ###. He's so powerful he stops a laser blast in mid air and holds it, but some how she beats him.

Death Star 3.0 not only is it bigger but can destroy multiple planets at once. They made sure to point out how much bigger it is. Thing is it didn't even phase the rebals. In Ep. 4 Leia risks life to get the plans to find a weakness. In this one they see a photo and come up with a plan in 30 seconds. Oh and the sanitation storm trooper knows how to destroy the whole thing? Of course he does.

Did Carrie Fisher have too much Botox or something?

What I did like:

I liked the imagery of the movie. JJ knows how to shoot a movie and some of the dialog was funny.

Ep. 1-3 and the comics the Jedi and Sith are almost super heroes doing crazy flips and super dash etc... they really scaled that back. I don't know if it's because Kylo is still learning and Ray just discovered her powers, but I like it's not crazy over the top.

I like the idea of a sith being tempted by the light side. I thought it was a cool throwback to Ep.4 where high ranking a official talked back to Vader just like that admiral talks back to Kylo.

Kylo is ball of hot fire and the rage controls him. Everyone on that ship knows it which is why those two stromtroops saw what was happening in the torture room and turned tail quick.

All in all I give it a just okay.

I agree with pretty much all of this. Liked the the scenes with the rusted out AT-AT and Imperial Cruiser. Darth Vader's mask was cool. I prefer more subtle nostalgia. Thought the pace was to fast because the had to touch on too many things. They blow up three planets then it's just on to the next scene. OK but not great.

 

[Wingnut]

This movie was recycled garbage. Plot was almost beat for beat ANH. It's kinda tedious when you know exactly what's going to happen 5 minutes in. Horrible casting and horrible acting. Prequels level bad. Not sure what you guys saw in it.

Well, you'll always have Jar Jar if you need a departure from the usual predictable stuff.

 

[sports_fan]

When will they reveal Jar Jar Binks as a secret Sith Lord?

 

[bagger]

Only minor nit-picks overall. Awesome movie in the end. Felt like Rey found her powers far too easily, but part of that seemed to be an overly-obvious attempt at first trilogy nostalgia. Could have used a little more uniqueness and less ANH remake.

That said, the acting and overall quality was first rate; much better than any of the others, and for all the predictability it was more than a little enjoyable. Rey and Finn had great rapport both with each other and with Harrison Ford.

I'm thinking Rey has to be Han and Leia's, probably a twin to Ren. (Note the name similarity!) Luke was a Jedi, and the Jedi generally didn't take wives or have children..wasn't that a huge part of Vader's downfall? That would still make Luke her uncle.

i also think Rey is Rens brother. Although she had flashbacks of being left as a child which doesn't make much sense.

 

[Hang 10]

This movie was recycled garbage. Plot was almost beat for beat ANH. It's kinda tedious when you know exactly what's going to happen 5 minutes in. Horrible casting and horrible acting. Prequels level bad. Not sure what you guys saw in it.

Well, you'll always have Jar Jar if you need a departure from the usual predictable stuff.

I thought Finn was the new jar jar.

 

[bagger]

For you all saying Ray could be Han and Leia's kid........isn't that something they would kind of know?

They definitely set her up to be Luke's kid IMO. The whole light saber scene was for that.

jedis don't have teh sex.

 

[Riversco]

For you all saying Ray could be Han and Leia's kid........isn't that something they would kind of know?

They definitely set her up to be Luke's kid IMO. The whole light saber scene was for that.

jedis don't have teh sex.

That was the old rules. Luke was probably never taught that.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Oh hey! I just remembered a key part I thought me and my buddy heard...

Did anyone else hear Obi-Wan ghost voice speak to Rey?? It was a quick name call I think but it sounded a lot like Obi-Wan.

Definitely

When??

Correct me Cap, pretty sure it was during her flashback sequence. I forgot what he said though, glad someone else heard it.

You could hear Kenobi and Yoda...but its because she was experiencing Luke's POV at that time.

which is interesting when you consider that the vision immediately shifts to her looking down on herself as a child...still from Luke's POV?

then the vision changes, the camera pulls back to show current Rey watching whoever left her as a child fly off, then she has a flash of Kylo Ren in the snow, then its over.

but for 1/3 and possibly 2/3 of that vision she seemed to be experiencing Luke's POV and that's when you heard Ben and Yoda

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Only minor nit-picks overall. Awesome movie in the end. Felt like Rey found her powers far too easily, but part of that seemed to be an overly-obvious attempt at first trilogy nostalgia. Could have used a little more uniqueness and less ANH remake.

That said, the acting and overall quality was first rate; much better than any of the others, and for all the predictability it was more than a little enjoyable. Rey and Finn had great rapport both with each other and with Harrison Ford.

I'm thinking Rey has to be Han and Leia's, probably a twin to Ren. (Note the name similarity!) Luke was a Jedi, and the Jedi generally didn't take wives or have children..wasn't that a huge part of Vader's downfall? That would still make Luke her uncle.

i also think Rey is Rens brother. Although she had flashbacks of being left as a child which doesn't make much sense.

I don't see the point of leaving that a mystery if that's the resolution. And I don't see the point of having her be Luke's daughter because then you'd pretty much have to invent an entirely new character to be the mother.

So, while I wasn't really all that concerned with how they sell Ben's turn, I think RiverCo might be right in the broad aspects. Luke starts the Academy. He searches the galaxy for Force sensitive kids. He takes Han and Leia's son, but then he finds this young girl who is totally strong in the Force. And Ben realizes that he'll never be as powerful as this new kid. So he turns (with some shenanigans by Snoke or whatever). Luke recognizes that even though Rey is powerful, she's not ready to take on someone who has tapped into the power of the Dark Side. Not yet. So he wipes her memory and stashes her where he hopes the First Order can't find her.

You sort of have to explain why Luke sat on his ### rather than solve the problem himself, but that's equally a problem in the original trilogy. Yoda and Ben just wait it out until someone else can do the heavy lifting.

 

[Capella]

I think in the next movie Ren goes full sith, becomes Darth Ren and then basically mirrors the Vader costume.

I feel for the writers. Going to be tough to mess w Vader. That's a bold move but half of the fans would absolutely hate it immediately without giving it a chance. I'd love for Disney to figure out some way to get Vader in a movie though. Even if it's a stand alone.

I would think he is in rogue one next year. Same time period. Maybe not but I would be surprised.As for 8, they are building up how nuts and obsessed with Vader Ren is. When it comes time to combat Luke and Rey I could see him going that route to settle the debt.

I don't think rogue one will have any characters we know and love IMO.

A little research and I may be wrong. Rumors that Vader may be in the film, but not as the primary bad guy.

Disney is not going to have a movie set between 3 and 4 and not have Vader. No chance.

Excellent point. I just hope he actually does some Vader stuff in the movie. December 2016-May 2017 two new Star Wars movies in 6 months. Will be awesome!

#blessed

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Isn't Vader dead?

Yes. But Snoke is rumored to be Darth Plagueis. He had the power to cheat death (as told by Palpatine to Anakin in Episode 3). He might actually be able to resurrect Vader somehow.

I think this is very, very far-fetched. Abrams went out of his way not to reference hardly anything from the prequels. He knows the bad taste they left in people's mouths, and it almost seems as if he wants this new trilogy to erase that one--people will talk about a six movie viewing order that doesn't include any of 1,2, or 3. Just seems like he wants 4-9 to be their own thing. Highly doubt he'd take an obscure Sith mentioned once and make him the Big Bad. Not his style imo.

"Hey, remember that guy Palpatine mentioned once to Anakin at an opera in a scene that lasted five minutes? Yeah he's the badass of my trilogy".

No ####### way.

 

[Riversco]

The best reason for Luke to flee would be that he became aware of the existence of Snoke and realized he would just get killed trying to defeat both Snoke and Kylo Ren in combat. So its better to lay low until more options become available. Once Rey was identified, R2D2 activated and brought Rey to Luke for training, with an eye of eventually beating them together.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Carrie Fisher lost any acting chops she may have had. Totally wooden performance. Ford was pretty good, IMO.

I thought this in my first viewing but just got back from a second...I think she suffers in comparison because every other main character has an extremely expressive face, they convey the tiniest shifts in emotion with no effort at all and no words. She isn't an actress on that level, but if you watch her eyes I think she conveys more than people are giving her credit for. Liked her more the second go-around.

 

[Han Solo]

Surprisingly I haven't seen the movie yet. I have 1030 am tickets tomorrow. I hope the theatre is packed. I'm taking my son and his best friend, they are both 15 and can't wait. I saw Star Wars as a 7 year old....I had pictures of Han Solo I would take to get hair cuts and asked the ladies to cut my hair like that....never ended well....anyway...I have never cared about spoilers and from what I've read so far I'm jacked....can't wait....ill love it I'm sure....report back tomorrow....

 

[MikeIke]

Just got back from seeing it and reading this thread. Most of my thoughts have already been addressed here.

I knew someone was going to be Han and Leia's child, but I expected it to be Rey, not Kylo. So that was a pleasant surprise for me. Now I'm in the camp that thinks Rey is Luke's daughter.

I was disappointed that Kylo removed his mask for Rey. He lost a lot of power in my mind when I saw his face. Plus, he's not a good-looking man.

I loved when Rey tried to force-spook the stormtrooper and he was like, "What did you say? Maybe I'll make these a little tighter."

I enjoyed the movie, but was rather disappointed that it's basically a reboot of ANH. Another planet-killing superweapon? Really? I guess stick with what works.

At least I'm not disappointed, like I was for Phantom Menace. I'd rank it 4th of of the movies, behind Empire, ANH, and Jedi.

 

[Riversco]

Isn't Vader dead?

Yes. But Snoke is rumored to be Darth Plagueis. He had the power to cheat death (as told by Palpatine to Anakin in Episode 3). He might actually be able to resurrect Vader somehow.

I think this is very, very far-fetched. Abrams went out of his way not to reference hardly anything from the prequels. He knows the bad taste they left in people's mouths, and it almost seems as if he wants this new trilogy to erase that one--people will talk about a six movie viewing order that doesn't include any of 1,2, or 3. Just seems like he wants 4-9 to be their own thing. Highly doubt he'd take an obscure Sith mentioned once and make him the Big Bad. Not his style imo.

"Hey, remember that guy Palpatine mentioned once to Anakin at an opera in a scene that lasted five minutes? Yeah he's the badass of my trilogy".

No ####### way.

Many people have pointed out that Snoke looks suspiciously similar to some artwork of Plagueis.

Snoke:

http://newmediarockstars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/14-700x525.jpg

Plagueis:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/9/93477/2590681-tumblr_m01napq2b01r3kvzio1_400.jpg

 

[Billy Bats]

Oh hey! I just remembered a key part I thought me and my buddy heard...

Did anyone else hear Obi-Wan ghost voice speak to Rey?? It was a quick name call I think but it sounded a lot like Obi-Wan.

Definitely

When??

Correct me Cap, pretty sure it was during her flashback sequence. I forgot what he said though, glad someone else heard it.

You could hear Kenobi and Yoda...but its because she was experiencing Luke's POV at that time.which is interesting when you consider that the vision immediately shifts to her looking down on herself as a child...still from Luke's POV?

then the vision changes, the camera pulls back to show current Rey watching whoever left her as a child fly off, then she has a flash of Kylo Ren in the snow, then its over.

but for 1/3 and possibly 2/3 of that vision she seemed to be experiencing Luke's POV and that's when you heard Ben and Yoda

Wow nice work man thanks. I missed Yoda, will have to listen more clearly 2nd time around. Easy to assume it's Luke hiding the last great force sensitive, but is she related? Seems like we're rebooting the OT, so yea she most likely is his daughter.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Seemed to me that at least Han knew who Rey is, at the table with Maz she asks him "so Han who is the girl?" And they switch the scene and you don't hear his answer. I think someone else was asked as well with no answer. So I think they know, we just haven't been told.

Thing is, I have to believe Han knew who she was as not long after meeting up with her, he says he's thinking about offering her a job. Why do that so quickly unless he knows who she is?

Here's more thoughts. Sorry if this was already covered.

But when we get to the cliff with Luke I wondered well why did they send ,her? Leia just met Rey for the first time(as far as we know) when they hugged(kinda weird?), and so she just sends her to find her brother? Leia's been searching the Galaxy for him and yet she sends this kid. More reasons to believe they know her.

Very possible.

But also remember that Rey just proved she's very Force sensitive, and Leia probably thinks she should send him a new apprentice. The turning of her son doesn't seem to have turned her off of the Jedi path. And that's specifically what Snoke says he's afraid of too--that if Luke gets back in the game, he'll train a new wave of Jedi. That could just be his fear talking, but these strong force types on the Light and Dark side are known for having foresight, so...

 

[NewlyRetired]

I love the speculation for the next two movies in the trilogy! Some of you guys are so creative!

I enjoyed the movie more than some on here but then again I am never looking for Shakespeare, I just want to be entertained and I was throughout the whole movie.

 

[Capella]

For you all saying Ray could be Han and Leia's kid........isn't that something they would kind of know?

They definitely set her up to be Luke's kid IMO. The whole light saber scene was for that.

jedis don't have teh sex.

My ex girlfriend was really strong with the force.

 

[MikeIke]

Also, what happened to Captain Phasma after Han et al had her captive? The next scene showed them running away and she was nowhere to be seen.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Isn't Vader dead?

Yes. But Snoke is rumored to be Darth Plagueis. He had the power to cheat death (as told by Palpatine to Anakin in Episode 3). He might actually be able to resurrect Vader somehow.

I think this is very, very far-fetched. Abrams went out of his way not to reference hardly anything from the prequels. He knows the bad taste they left in people's mouths, and it almost seems as if he wants this new trilogy to erase that one--people will talk about a six movie viewing order that doesn't include any of 1,2, or 3. Just seems like he wants 4-9 to be their own thing. Highly doubt he'd take an obscure Sith mentioned once and make him the Big Bad. Not his style imo.

"Hey, remember that guy Palpatine mentioned once to Anakin at an opera in a scene that lasted five minutes? Yeah he's the badass of my trilogy".

No ####### way.

Do you think JJ will have much say in the next two? He is neither writing nor directing Episode VIII from what I have read.

 

[Riversco]

Also, what happened to Captain Phasma after Han et al had her captive? The next scene showed them running away and she was nowhere to be seen.

She is probably taking the Boba Fett role. Easily persuaded to turn against the First Order. Probably is for hire in episode 8.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Isn't Vader dead?

Yes. But Snoke is rumored to be Darth Plagueis. He had the power to cheat death (as told by Palpatine to Anakin in Episode 3). He might actually be able to resurrect Vader somehow.

I think this is very, very far-fetched. Abrams went out of his way not to reference hardly anything from the prequels. He knows the bad taste they left in people's mouths, and it almost seems as if he wants this new trilogy to erase that one--people will talk about a six movie viewing order that doesn't include any of 1,2, or 3. Just seems like he wants 4-9 to be their own thing. Highly doubt he'd take an obscure Sith mentioned once and make him the Big Bad. Not his style imo.

"Hey, remember that guy Palpatine mentioned once to Anakin at an opera in a scene that lasted five minutes? Yeah he's the badass of my trilogy".

No ####### way.

Many people have pointed out that Snoke looks suspiciously similar to some artwork of Plagueis.

Snoke:

http://newmediarockstars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/14-700x525.jpg

Plagueis:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/9/93477/2590681-tumblr_m01napq2b01r3kvzio1_400.jpg

That's actually fairly compelling evidence, but I still say its something Abrams would never do. I just don't see him calling back on ROTS like that out of the blue, for such a huge villain.

Especially since he's erasing the existence of Midichlorians, and wasn't it the Midichlorians that explained the virgin birth of Anakin (with some potential implication that a Sith with Plagueis' knowledge could have actually used the force to create him and thus fulfill the "chosen one" prophecy and eventually create Darth Vader to wipe out the Jedi--isn't that a theory about Anakin's virgin birth?)

 

[Billy Bats]

Isn't Vader dead?

Yes. But Snoke is rumored to be Darth Plagueis. He had the power to cheat death (as told by Palpatine to Anakin in Episode 3). He might actually be able to resurrect Vader somehow.

I think this is very, very far-fetched. Abrams went out of his way not to reference hardly anything from the prequels. He knows the bad taste they left in people's mouths, and it almost seems as if he wants this new trilogy to erase that one--people will talk about a six movie viewing order that doesn't include any of 1,2, or 3. Just seems like he wants 4-9 to be their own thing. Highly doubt he'd take an obscure Sith mentioned once and make him the Big Bad. Not his style imo.

"Hey, remember that guy Palpatine mentioned once to Anakin at an opera in a scene that lasted five minutes? Yeah he's the badass of my trilogy".

No ####### way.

Do you think JJ will have much say in the next two? He is neither writing nor directing Episode VIII from what I have read.

JJ and Kasdan wrote the outline for all three movies. He's not directly involved in the writing but is executive producing both. So the next two movies have to follow what they came up with as far as story lines go.

 

[cubd8]

My mind keeps going towards, how will episode 9 end...Luke sacrificing himself to save a young family member (possibly Kylo or Rey) or Rey sacrificing herself to bring balance to the force (ala Matrix 3)...hopefully something else and the story continues to stay fresh and true to the originals at the same time. No chance I don't see any of the 5 coming out- I'm rooting for them to be good!

I'd bet Episode 8 ends with Luke vs Vader III and then Rey vs Vader.

Episode 9 will be Luke vs Snoke and Rey vs a very corrupted and powerful Ren.

I'm not sure who Ren fights in episode 8. He has no good matchups. Maybe Vader becomes very unstable once resurrected and the finale is Ren vs a crazed Vader. Sith vs Sith might actually be pretty interesting.

So you think the original Darth Vader could come back (and cheat death)? Wouldn't Vader be good now that Luke turned him or could he be manipulated?

Was Snoke alive then from Episodes 4-6, just not in the movies? What is his relationship, if any, with the Emperor?

Any chance the First Order becomes the Empire? Bring back the Empire music!

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I think Kylo would have seemed more intimidating if he had a reason to wear the mask other than to look cool or as a gimmick.

That was the entire point of the mask, though. He doesn't need it, he's emulating his grandfather Vader as best he can. He's a flawed guy who probably hasn't grown into nearly the badass he will.

In fact he looked pretty uncomfortable when the redhead First Order guy walked in on him talking to Snope without his helmet on...didn't like getting caught without it because he's trying to create an image from scratch that Vader earned through his actions. That's what he'll learn imo.

 

[Capella]

Vader isn't coming back IMO. Maybe we will see some scenes where Snoke is sending Vader images/dreams to Ren, which would satisfy both the need to have him in the movie and also make sense.

But Vader isn't going to be back in walking around the star destroyer bridge.

 

[Riversco]

Isn't Vader dead?

Yes. But Snoke is rumored to be Darth Plagueis. He had the power to cheat death (as told by Palpatine to Anakin in Episode 3). He might actually be able to resurrect Vader somehow.

I think this is very, very far-fetched. Abrams went out of his way not to reference hardly anything from the prequels. He knows the bad taste they left in people's mouths, and it almost seems as if he wants this new trilogy to erase that one--people will talk about a six movie viewing order that doesn't include any of 1,2, or 3. Just seems like he wants 4-9 to be their own thing. Highly doubt he'd take an obscure Sith mentioned once and make him the Big Bad. Not his style imo.

"Hey, remember that guy Palpatine mentioned once to Anakin at an opera in a scene that lasted five minutes? Yeah he's the badass of my trilogy".

No ####### way.

Many people have pointed out that Snoke looks suspiciously similar to some artwork of Plagueis.

Snoke:

http://newmediarockstars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/14-700x525.jpg

Plagueis:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/9/93477/2590681-tumblr_m01napq2b01r3kvzio1_400.jpg

That's actually fairly compelling evidence, but I still say its something Abrams would never do. I just don't see him calling back on ROTS like that out of the blue, for such a huge villain.

Especially since he's erasing the existence of Midichlorians, and wasn't it the Midichlorians that explained the virgin birth of Anakin (with some potential implication that a Sith with Plagueis' knowledge could have actually used the force to create him and thus fulfill the "chosen one" prophecy and eventually create Darth Vader to wipe out the Jedi--isn't that a theory about Anakin's virgin birth?)

We don't really know what created Vader. Shmi claimed there was no father but maybe she's not credible. There's plenty of room to go a lot of ways with Vader's birth origin.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I guess we might never hear how Maz found Luke light saber that he lost in Cloud City unless she made it out of the bar before it was destroyed....

 

[Riversco]

My mind keeps going towards, how will episode 9 end...Luke sacrificing himself to save a young family member (possibly Kylo or Rey) or Rey sacrificing herself to bring balance to the force (ala Matrix 3)...hopefully something else and the story continues to stay fresh and true to the originals at the same time. No chance I don't see any of the 5 coming out- I'm rooting for them to be good!

I'd bet Episode 8 ends with Luke vs Vader III and then Rey vs Vader.

Episode 9 will be Luke vs Snoke and Rey vs a very corrupted and powerful Ren.

I'm not sure who Ren fights in episode 8. He has no good matchups. Maybe Vader becomes very unstable once resurrected and the finale is Ren vs a crazed Vader. Sith vs Sith might actually be pretty interesting.

So you think the original Darth Vader could come back (and cheat death)? Wouldn't Vader be good now that Luke turned him or could he be manipulated?

Was Snoke alive then from Episodes 4-6, just not in the movies? What is his relationship, if any, with the Emperor?

Any chance the First Order becomes the Empire? Bring back the Empire music!

Maybe Snoke is unaware Vader turned good. Maybe something goes wrong with the resurrection because he's been dead for so long that he just turns mad and eventually has to be put down by Kylo Ren in a sith vs sith fight to close episode 8.

 

[Wingnut]

Han said he ALWAYS talks his way out of things...hey Han, memory of being frozen in Carbonite down?

 

[Capella]

I guess we might never hear how Maz found Luke light saber that he lost in Cloud City unless she made it out of the bar before it was destroyed....

Seems like one of those anthology movies to me.

She said "that's a story for another time" so they'll double back to that at some point.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Disney is cautiously predicting $215m plus from the weekend.

Disney also upped their prediction for today from $100m to $120m.

Previous one day record was $90m

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Oh hey! I just remembered a key part I thought me and my buddy heard...

Did anyone else hear Obi-Wan ghost voice speak to Rey?? It was a quick name call I think but it sounded a lot like Obi-Wan.

Definitely

When??

Correct me Cap, pretty sure it was during her flashback sequence. I forgot what he said though, glad someone else heard it.

You could hear Kenobi and Yoda...but its because she was experiencing Luke's POV at that time.which is interesting when you consider that the vision immediately shifts to her looking down on herself as a child...still from Luke's POV?

then the vision changes, the camera pulls back to show current Rey watching whoever left her as a child fly off, then she has a flash of Kylo Ren in the snow, then its over.

but for 1/3 and possibly 2/3 of that vision she seemed to be experiencing Luke's POV and that's when you heard Ben and Yoda

Wow nice work man thanks. I missed Yoda, will have to listen more clearly 2nd time around. Easy to assume it's Luke hiding the last great force sensitive, but is she related? Seems like we're rebooting the OT, so yea she most likely is his daughter.

Yeah, would follow the seemingly natural progression of events. Kind of cyclical.

We'll know for sure they're following the formula if Finn gets into trouble in the next movie and Rey has to interrupt her training to go rescue him.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Isn't Vader dead?

Yes. But Snoke is rumored to be Darth Plagueis. He had the power to cheat death (as told by Palpatine to Anakin in Episode 3). He might actually be able to resurrect Vader somehow.

I think this is very, very far-fetched. Abrams went out of his way not to reference hardly anything from the prequels. He knows the bad taste they left in people's mouths, and it almost seems as if he wants this new trilogy to erase that one--people will talk about a six movie viewing order that doesn't include any of 1,2, or 3. Just seems like he wants 4-9 to be their own thing. Highly doubt he'd take an obscure Sith mentioned once and make him the Big Bad. Not his style imo.

"Hey, remember that guy Palpatine mentioned once to Anakin at an opera in a scene that lasted five minutes? Yeah he's the badass of my trilogy".

No ####### way.

Do you think JJ will have much say in the next two? He is neither writing nor directing Episode VIII from what I have read.

Maybe not, but I think it would be crazy if he didn't have a hand in helping lay out the entire trilogy with Disney regardless of whose doing the actual writing and directing...his movie probably doesn't just have a blank space after it in their minds. He was setting things up that they know are in the works for the later movies, or its going to just be a mess with whatever writing team and director making it up as they go.... They wouldn't do that, I hope.

 

[Sabertooth]

Han said he ALWAYS talks his way out of things...hey Han, memory of being frozen in Carbonite down?

That was more of a long con.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I guess we might never hear how Maz found Luke light saber that he lost in Cloud City unless she made it out of the bar before it was destroyed....

She did, she was in the wreckage afterwards and urged Finn to go help Rey, reminding him he had the lightsaber as a weapon. No reason to think she's dead.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Han said he ALWAYS talks his way out of things...hey Han, memory of being frozen in Carbonite down?

That's why it was funny. It was bluster.

 

[Riversco]

If you think about it, just from a marketing standpoint, they almost have to bring back Vader somehow. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the first thing discussed when they sat down to do a new trilogy. They were like "the iconic character is Vader. Can be bring him back? Yes, if we use Plagueis." And then they built the story around that. Wouldn't shock me at all.

 

[Capella]

Han said he ALWAYS talks his way out of things...hey Han, memory of being frozen in Carbonite down?

YEAH HAN

 

[ConnSKINS26]

If you think about it, just from a marketing standpoint, they almost have to bring back Vader somehow. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the first thing discussed when they sat down to do a new trilogy. They were like "the iconic character is Vader. Can be bring him back? Yes, if we use Plagueis." And then they built the story around that. Wouldn't shock me at all.

Would be awful and Abrams wouldn't ruin the original redemption arc of Vader by bringing him back again in a role like that. The entire reason everyone (for the most part) loved this movie is because he respected the fans and he respected the love people have for the originals. He's not desecrating Vader like you suggest.

Now, visions in some capacity? Maybe.

 

[joffer]

wait...you guys liked it?

 

[Riversco]

If you think about it, just from a marketing standpoint, they almost have to bring back Vader somehow. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the first thing discussed when they sat down to do a new trilogy. They were like "the iconic character is Vader. Can be bring him back? Yes, if we use Plagueis." And then they built the story around that. Wouldn't shock me at all.

Would be awful and Abrams wouldn't ruin the original redemption arc of Vader by bringing him back again in a role like that. The entire reason everyone (for the most part) loved this movie is because he respected the fans and he respected the love people have for the originals. He's not desecrating Vader like you suggest.

Now, visions in some capacity? Maybe.

I don't think it would ruin his redemption arc to be brought back to life, but that's just me.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

If you think about it, just from a marketing standpoint, they almost have to bring back Vader somehow. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the first thing discussed when they sat down to do a new trilogy. They were like "the iconic character is Vader. Can be bring him back? Yes, if we use Plagueis." And then they built the story around that. Wouldn't shock me at all.

Would be awful and Abrams wouldn't ruin the original redemption arc of Vader by bringing him back again in a role like that. The entire reason everyone (for the most part) loved this movie is because he respected the fans and he respected the love people have for the originals. He's not desecrating Vader like you suggest.

Now, visions in some capacity? Maybe.

I don't think it would ruin his redemption arc to be brought back to life, but that's just me.

Yes it would, if he was brought back as a villain. And there's no reason whatsoever to bring back an iconic villain to be a good guy or some type of crazy corpse that needs to be put down. Abrams would not do that--ruins the emotional impact of his redemption story in the first place, in the sacred original trilogy that Abrams is trying to honor, not ruin.

The Vader connection will come through Ren over time