STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)

[Rick James]

Love how future movies can't have a bar scene just because there was also one in ANH. talk about nitpicking.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Not understanding the hate for adam driver or the character. I think kylo ren came off exactly as JJ wrote it.

Eta: jobber beat me to it. Didnt refresh the page.

I thought Driver was great. And I think he has the potential to be a bad ### villain. In one sense, he's way worse than Vader; Vader couldn't kill his family and turned good when confronted with that choice. Ren went the other way. He's arguably even more evil.

Yep, and arguably has more power from the start than Vader in IV- ie stopping the laser mid shot.

I dunno, Vader just raised his hand and absorbed several point blank shots from Han in Empire. It was cool to stop it mid air, but give me the dude who stops laser blasts with his hand.

That was V.

 

[Sand]

Saw this last night with the fam. Kids (16 and 10) thought it was great. Wife and I thought it was complete dreck. God, what a disappointment. Rae was awesome. I have to stretch back to Max von Syndow at the start to find another performance better than junk. Fischer and Ford delivered the most wooden performances in recent memory. The stormtrooper guy was merely bad, which easily put him in the top half here. Plot was trite and insipid - a veritable cascade of deus ex machina occurences. Who greenlit this disaster of a script? The only part of this that was truly entertaining was the Falcon's initial flight. The rest was completely forgettable.

Oh, and PSA to Mark Hamill - if you want to be a believable Jedi please lose that extra 60 you were hiding under those robes. Thank goodness you didn't have to speak any lines.

I'm hoping you can post some stock, political, or any other advice. So I can do the exact opposite.That's how wrong your post is.

I'm disappointed in feeling that way. I liked all the other SW movies. This was easily the worst in the series.

How long has it been since you saw episode 1? No sane person could watch I and VII in close proximity and make that statement.

Been a long time. I will say, though, that Ep 1 for me was completely overshadowed by Darth Maul (best Sith villain ever) and the ending fight (best action sequence in a SW movie, IMO). The rest of the movie is bad, but those parts were some of the best SW has ever offered. VII really had no amazing moments (though the MF initial dogfight was way cool).

Not passing judgement on the current villain. Thought he was fine and we'll see how he really turns out later.

 

[shader]

Just watched it for the third time.

Interesting thing happened after I saw it a second time. I totally stopped caring about any negative reviews. I think that's the mark of a great film.

I remember after each prequel I'd keep chatting about the films on message boards, try and rationalize away things that many didn't like, I'd get annoyed with the "haters", and I even caught myself defending Hayden Christiansens acting.

Now? I honestly don't care what people on the internet think. I don't know a single friend or close associate that didn't think it was an amazing flick, aside from ONE dorky teenager who is exactly how I imagine 95% of the critics of this film to be.

3 showings in and it's just a classic movie. So many lines are obviously going to be a part of Star Wars lore for a long time.

Such an amazing movie and I can't wait for 8. If you are criticizing this film, I'm going to assume that you are a huge dork.

 

[Otis]

Love how future movies can't have a bar scene just because there was also one in ANH. talk about nitpicking.

Well, let's be fair. If it weren't for the orphan on a desert moon finding a droid with a secret important to the rebellion and a mission to find a long lost hermit jedi in which they steal away on the millenium falcon and go on to defeat a giant death star planet killer by flying into a trench and exploiting a weakness in the design, I don't think anyone would have been sweating the part about the bar.

 

[Insein]

Just watched it for the third time.

Interesting thing happened after I saw it a second time. I totally stopped caring about any negative reviews. I think that's the mark of a great film.

I remember after each prequel I'd keep chatting about the films on message boards, try and rationalize away things that many didn't like, I'd get annoyed with the "haters", and I even caught myself defending Hayden Christiansens acting.

Now? I honestly don't care what people on the internet think. I don't know a single friend or close associate that didn't think it was an amazing flick, aside from ONE dorky teenager who is exactly how I imagine 95% of the critics of this film to be.

3 showings in and it's just a classic movie. So many lines are obviously going to be a part of Star Wars lore for a long time.

Such an amazing movie and I can't wait for 8. If you are criticizing this film, I'm going to assume that you are a huge dork.

 

[Insein]

Love how future movies can't have a bar scene just because there was also one in ANH. talk about nitpicking.

Well, let's be fair. If it weren't for the orphan on a desert moon finding a droid with a secret important to the rebellion and a mission to find a long lost hermit jedi in which they steal away on the millenium falcon and go on to defeat a giant death star planet killer by flying into a trench and exploiting a weakness in the design, I don't think anyone would have been sweating the part about the bar.

People had issues with the bar?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Love how future movies can't have a bar scene just because there was also one in ANH. talk about nitpicking.

Well, let's be fair. If it weren't for the orphan on a desert moon finding a droid with a secret important to the rebellion and a mission to find a long lost hermit jedi in which they steal away on the millenium falcon and go on to defeat a giant death star planet killer by flying into a trench and exploiting a weakness in the design, I don't think anyone would have been sweating the part about the bar.

Umm, but Rey's a girl. Totally, totally different.

 

[bentley]

Love how future movies can't have a bar scene just because there was also one in ANH. talk about nitpicking.

Well, let's be fair. If it weren't for the orphan on a desert moon finding a droid with a secret important to the rebellion and a mission to find a long lost hermit jedi in which they steal away on the millenium falcon and go on to defeat a giant death star planet killer by flying into a trench and exploiting a weakness in the design, I don't think anyone would have been sweating the part about the bar.

Umm, but Rey's a girl. Totally, totally different.

And a hot one. Which makes everything ok.

 

[Frostillicus]

Love how future movies can't have a bar scene just because there was also one in ANH. talk about nitpicking.

Well, let's be fair. If it weren't for the orphan on a desert moon finding a droid with a secret important to the rebellion and a mission to find a long lost hermit jedi in which they steal away on the millenium falcon and go on to defeat a giant death star planet killer by flying into a trench and exploiting a weakness in the design, I don't think anyone would have been sweating the part about the bar.

Umm, but Rey's a girl. Totally, totally different.

And a hot one. Which makes everything ok.

Once again, Bentley nails it.

 

[Koya]

Love how future movies can't have a bar scene just because there was also one in ANH. talk about nitpicking.

Well, let's be fair. If it weren't for the orphan on a desert moon finding a droid with a secret important to the rebellion and a mission to find a long lost hermit jedi in which they steal away on the millenium falcon and go on to defeat a giant death star planet killer by flying into a trench and exploiting a weakness in the design, I don't think anyone would have been sweating the part about the bar.

The (over) simplicity has always been at the root of Star Wars, though. I mean, the canned phrases, the questionable 'acting', the clear good vs. evil - Im talking back in 1977 forward. Its a Western with the best visuals of space battle ever.

I enjoyed the mirroring story in a way. Again, is one Western really any different from the next? And this was OUR seminal Showdown, an intergenerational place where the whole movie theater is transported to a world where the nostolgia and shtick fits in as naturally as the clear and simple story line.

But you like and then root for the characters, enjoy the light silly banter intertwined with moments of real stress and suspense, watch the sweet ### action scenes and then just get sucked into a Hollywood world that allows just a bit more wiggle room for things that might otherwise be critique worthy.

Not sure that makes sense, but its how I see it.

 

[netnalp]

http://screencrush.com/anakin-skywalker-star-wars-force-awakens/

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-7-anakin-skywalker-force-ghost-images-hayden-christensen/

Vader ghost concept art for the new movies. No clue if it's in or out, only that it didn't go in the first movie.

 

[bentley]

Love how future movies can't have a bar scene just because there was also one in ANH. talk about nitpicking.

Well, let's be fair. If it weren't for the orphan on a desert moon finding a droid with a secret important to the rebellion and a mission to find a long lost hermit jedi in which they steal away on the millenium falcon and go on to defeat a giant death star planet killer by flying into a trench and exploiting a weakness in the design, I don't think anyone would have been sweating the part about the bar.

The (over) simplicity has always been at the root of Star Wars, though. I mean, the canned phrases, the questionable 'acting', the clear good vs. evil - Im talking back in 1977 forward. Its a Western with the best visuals of space battle ever.

I enjoyed the mirroring story in a way. Again, is one Western really any dofferent from the next?

But you like and then root for the characters, enjoy the light silly banter intertwined with moments of real stress and suspense, watch the sweet ### action scenes and then just get sucked into a Hollywood world that allows just a bit more wiggle room for thongs that might otherwise be critique worthy.

Not sure that makes sense, but its how I see it.

We talking Daisy Ridley again?

 

[Koya]

Love how future movies can't have a bar scene just because there was also one in ANH. talk about nitpicking.

Well, let's be fair. If it weren't for the orphan on a desert moon finding a droid with a secret important to the rebellion and a mission to find a long lost hermit jedi in which they steal away on the millenium falcon and go on to defeat a giant death star planet killer by flying into a trench and exploiting a weakness in the design, I don't think anyone would have been sweating the part about the bar.

The (over) simplicity has always been at the root of Star Wars, though. I mean, the canned phrases, the questionable 'acting', the clear good vs. evil - Im talking back in 1977 forward. Its a Western with the best visuals of space battle ever.

I enjoyed the mirroring story in a way. Again, is one Western really any dofferent from the next?

But you like and then root for the characters, enjoy the light silly banter intertwined with moments of real stress and suspense, watch the sweet ### action scenes and then just get sucked into a Hollywood world that allows just a bit more wiggle room for thongs that might otherwise be critique worthy.

Not sure that makes sense, but its how I see it.

We talking Daisy Ridley again?

I dont even know what that means.

And leave it to you sacks to notice that before the edit.

 

[cubbyphan]

Just got back from seeing it a second time and agree it is much better on repeat viewings. Some of the negatives people mentioned annoyed me the first time but didn't bother me at all the second time.

I am also more convinced that Rey is the daughter of Leia and Han as opposed to Luke. I was leaning that way after the first viewing but thought it was a toss up. Now I more strongly believe she is a Solo for a few reasons:

1) Contrary to what many have said, Luke's theme does not frequently play in scenes involved Rey. Luke's theme = main theme. Most of the scenes where Rey is using her powers play the more generic Force theme.

2) Can't be sure because I wasn't thinking about it at the time, but I think that when Leia hugs Rey it plays part of the Han Solo and the Princess love theme. Will check for sure if I see it again.

3) Most importantly, it struck me that Rey almost has to be a Solo for Chewie to go with her at the end. Once Han dies, his life debt should past to Han's family. Obviously wouldn't go to Kylo, so the next most logical person then would be to Leia. Unless...Han has another child. Only way I can see Chewie leaving Leia's side is if she let's him know that Rey is Han's daughter.

 

[Koya]

Just got back from seeing it a second time and agree it is much better on repeat viewings. Some of the negatives people mentioned annoyed me the first time but didn't bother me at all the second time.

I am also more convinced that Rey is the daughter of Leia and Han as opposed to Luke. I was leaning that way after the first viewing but thought it was a toss up. Now I more strongly believe she is a Solo for a few reasons:

1) Contrary to what many have said, Luke's theme does not frequently play in scenes involved Rey. Luke's theme = main theme. Most of the scenes where Rey is using her powers play the more generic Force theme.

2) Can't be sure because I wasn't thinking about it at the time, but I think that when Leia hugs Rey it plays part of the Han Solo and the Princess love theme. Will check for sure if I see it again.

3) Most importantly, it struck me that Rey almost has to be a Solo for Chewie to go with her at the end. Once Han dies, his life debt should past to Han's family. Obviously wouldn't go to Kylo, so the next most logical person then would be to Leia. Unless...Han has another child. Only way I can see Chewie leaving Leia's side is if she let's him know that Rey is Han's daughter.

My wife and I both agreed that there were strong hints pushing that its Hans and Leia, hug and the eye contact, among other things including taking the MF. And Leia's royal blood to boot.

 

[ghostguy123]

Just got back from seeing it a second time and agree it is much better on repeat viewings. Some of the negatives people mentioned annoyed me the first time but didn't bother me at all the second time.

I am also more convinced that Rey is the daughter of Leia and Han as opposed to Luke. I was leaning that way after the first viewing but thought it was a toss up. Now I more strongly believe she is a Solo for a few reasons:

1) Contrary to what many have said, Luke's theme does not frequently play in scenes involved Rey. Luke's theme = main theme. Most of the scenes where Rey is using her powers play the more generic Force theme.

2) Can't be sure because I wasn't thinking about it at the time, but I think that when Leia hugs Rey it plays part of the Han Solo and the Princess love theme. Will check for sure if I see it again.

3) Most importantly, it struck me that Rey almost has to be a Solo for Chewie to go with her at the end. Once Han dies, his life debt should past to Han's family. Obviously wouldn't go to Kylo, so the next most logical person then would be to Leia. Unless...Han has another child. Only way I can see Chewie leaving Leia's side is if she let's him know that Rey is Han's daughter.

My wife and I both agreed that there were strong hints pushing that its Hans and Leia, hug and the eye contact, among other things including taking the MF. And Leia's royal blood to boot.

Ok.............does Leia know this??

 

[Koya]

Just got back from seeing it a second time and agree it is much better on repeat viewings. Some of the negatives people mentioned annoyed me the first time but didn't bother me at all the second time.

I am also more convinced that Rey is the daughter of Leia and Han as opposed to Luke. I was leaning that way after the first viewing but thought it was a toss up. Now I more strongly believe she is a Solo for a few reasons:

1) Contrary to what many have said, Luke's theme does not frequently play in scenes involved Rey. Luke's theme = main theme. Most of the scenes where Rey is using her powers play the more generic Force theme.

2) Can't be sure because I wasn't thinking about it at the time, but I think that when Leia hugs Rey it plays part of the Han Solo and the Princess love theme. Will check for sure if I see it again.

3) Most importantly, it struck me that Rey almost has to be a Solo for Chewie to go with her at the end. Once Han dies, his life debt should past to Han's family. Obviously wouldn't go to Kylo, so the next most logical person then would be to Leia. Unless...Han has another child. Only way I can see Chewie leaving Leia's side is if she let's him know that Rey is Han's daughter.

My wife and I both agreed that there were strong hints pushing that its Hans and Leia, hug and the eye contact, among other things including taking the MF. And Leia's royal blood to boot.

Ok.............does Leia know this??

No. Well, don't think so. But maybe with the force? Id think not. Like she didn't know Luke.

And maybe we are mistaken. Maybe they are giving you a false path... but if anything, we agreed it was almost 'too' obvious.

 

[Hawks64]

Just got back from seeing it a second time and agree it is much better on repeat viewings. Some of the negatives people mentioned annoyed me the first time but didn't bother me at all the second time.

I am also more convinced that Rey is the daughter of Leia and Han as opposed to Luke. I was leaning that way after the first viewing but thought it was a toss up. Now I more strongly believe she is a Solo for a few reasons:

1) Contrary to what many have said, Luke's theme does not frequently play in scenes involved Rey. Luke's theme = main theme. Most of the scenes where Rey is using her powers play the more generic Force theme.

2) Can't be sure because I wasn't thinking about it at the time, but I think that when Leia hugs Rey it plays part of the Han Solo and the Princess love theme. Will check for sure if I see it again.

3) Most importantly, it struck me that Rey almost has to be a Solo for Chewie to go with her at the end. Once Han dies, his life debt should past to Han's family. Obviously wouldn't go to Kylo, so the next most logical person then would be to Leia. Unless...Han has another child. Only way I can see Chewie leaving Leia's side is if she let's him know that Rey is Han's daughter.

My wife and I both agreed that there were strong hints pushing that its Hans and Leia, hug and the eye contact, among other things including taking the MF. And Leia's royal blood to boot.

Ok.............does Leia know this??

Yep...one would think Leia would likely recognize the child she birthed.

 

[Hawks64]

Just got back from seeing it a second time and agree it is much better on repeat viewings. Some of the negatives people mentioned annoyed me the first time but didn't bother me at all the second time.

I am also more convinced that Rey is the daughter of Leia and Han as opposed to Luke. I was leaning that way after the first viewing but thought it was a toss up. Now I more strongly believe she is a Solo for a few reasons:

1) Contrary to what many have said, Luke's theme does not frequently play in scenes involved Rey. Luke's theme = main theme. Most of the scenes where Rey is using her powers play the more generic Force theme.

2) Can't be sure because I wasn't thinking about it at the time, but I think that when Leia hugs Rey it plays part of the Han Solo and the Princess love theme. Will check for sure if I see it again.

3) Most importantly, it struck me that Rey almost has to be a Solo for Chewie to go with her at the end. Once Han dies, his life debt should past to Han's family. Obviously wouldn't go to Kylo, so the next most logical person then would be to Leia. Unless...Han has another child. Only way I can see Chewie leaving Leia's side is if she let's him know that Rey is Han's daughter.

My wife and I both agreed that there were strong hints pushing that its Hans and Leia, hug and the eye contact, among other things including taking the MF. And Leia's royal blood to boot.

Ok.............does Leia know this??

No. Well, don't think so. But maybe with the force? Id think not. Like she didn't know Luke.

And maybe we are mistaken. Maybe they are giving you a false path... but if anything, we agreed it was almost 'too' obvious.

Difference between spomeone you were seperated from when you were born vs giving birth to someone.

 

[Frostillicus]

To me it was super clear that she's Luke's daughter. I love that other people see it super clearly that she's Han and Leia's. Good movie making there.

 

[ghostguy123]

Just got back from seeing it a second time and agree it is much better on repeat viewings. Some of the negatives people mentioned annoyed me the first time but didn't bother me at all the second time.

I am also more convinced that Rey is the daughter of Leia and Han as opposed to Luke. I was leaning that way after the first viewing but thought it was a toss up. Now I more strongly believe she is a Solo for a few reasons:

1) Contrary to what many have said, Luke's theme does not frequently play in scenes involved Rey. Luke's theme = main theme. Most of the scenes where Rey is using her powers play the more generic Force theme.

2) Can't be sure because I wasn't thinking about it at the time, but I think that when Leia hugs Rey it plays part of the Han Solo and the Princess love theme. Will check for sure if I see it again.

3) Most importantly, it struck me that Rey almost has to be a Solo for Chewie to go with her at the end. Once Han dies, his life debt should past to Han's family. Obviously wouldn't go to Kylo, so the next most logical person then would be to Leia. Unless...Han has another child. Only way I can see Chewie leaving Leia's side is if she let's him know that Rey is Han's daughter.

My wife and I both agreed that there were strong hints pushing that its Hans and Leia, hug and the eye contact, among other things including taking the MF. And Leia's royal blood to boot.

Ok.............does Leia know this??

No. Well, don't think so. But maybe with the force? Id think not. Like she didn't know Luke.

And maybe we are mistaken. Maybe they are giving you a false path... but if anything, we agreed it was almost 'too' obvious.

How is it "too obvious" to you, yet Leia wouldnt know if it is her daughter. I mean, she SHOULD know if she has a daughter right? And if so, that Rey would be that daughter?

Not saying it isn't possible, but no idea how you can think it is "obvious" considering for it to be true, Leia would have basically had to have given up her daughter, but also not know Rey is her daughter.

 

[ghostguy123]

To me it was super clear that she's Luke's daughter. I love that other people see it super clearly that she's Han and Leia's. Good movie making there.

I don't think anything is super clear, but it sure does seem the most likely thing is that she is Luke's daughter.

Would not surprise me one tiny bit if she wasn't though.

 

[mcintyre1]

To me it was super clear that she's Luke's daughter. I love that other people see it super clearly that she's Han and Leia's. Good movie making there.

I don't think anything is super clear, but it sure does seem the most likely thing is that she is Luke's daughter.

Would not surprise me one tiny bit if she wasn't though.

Agreed. For me, it seemed too obvious that she's Luke's kid, so I've been second guessing myself that they'll pull a "what a fool you are for buying the obvious story" bit in the next one.

Saw it for the third time with my parents today, they'd seen none of the trailers or anything about it and they loved it.

I'm even more convinced now that Han knows who Rey is and that Kylo likely does as well. Han, for the reasons I've stated in here before (they conveniently cut away from Han every time the story would dictate that he says something revealing about Rey), and Kylo for the way he initially reacts to hearing about Rey. Kylo has his first rage session where he destroys the console and then seems to calm down, and he didn't direct any of the rage at the officer himself. As soon as the officer mentions that they had help from "a girl", Kylo whips around and force pull / chokes him into his grip and yells "what girl?" I mean, sure, he's clearly an unstable guy, but even given that it seems like a bit much unless he knows that someone (say, Luke's daughter?) is stowed away on Jakku. I do still think Rey is Luke's daughter, but Kylo knowing who she is makes her being his sister a better alternative for the narrative.

For whatever it is worth, my parents both also came to the conclusion that Rey is Luke's daughter.

 

[ghostguy123]

. I do still think Rey is Luke's daughter, but Kylo knowing who she is makes her being his sister a better alternative for the narrative.

Any more-so than if it is his cousin?

 

[mcintyre1]

Second viewing.. Rey being left handed is driving me nuts.

I was looking out for this more on my third viewing. Is it only the escape scene where she has the blaster rifle that she ####s up? She's got it in her left hand for that scene, but whenever she uses the pistol and the saber, she's right handed. She does aim the pistol and hold it awkwardly with her right hand while closing her right eye and lining it up with her left, though, too. I'm sure they'll explain it away in canon with her being ambidextrous or something though.

 

[prosopis]

It is my understanding that they are ignoring most/all of the EU. What are the official SW books to read now?

 

[mcintyre1]

. I do still think Rey is Luke's daughter, but Kylo knowing who she is makes her being his sister a better alternative for the narrative.

Any more-so than if it is his cousin?

Eh, maybe not, but I think it does, yeah. IMO, if Rey is his sister, she's likely alive because Kylo spared her during the attack on the temple, and Kylo left her / mind wiped her on Jakku (leading Han and Leia to believe that their daughter is long dead). I'm not 100% sure I buy the same emotional weight on Kylo for having to kill his cousin vs. his sister. It does seem like he's perfectly OK with killing Luke throughout the movie. Now that I think about it though, does Kylo ever explicitly say he wants the map so he can kill Skywalker? I know Snoke does, but I can't remember if Kylo ever says it. I suppose Kylo might just want to find Luke vs. kill him.

All of that said, I do still think Rey is Luke's kid, and that Han recognizes her as Luke's kid rather than his own. Presumably Leia knows by the time of The Hug as well, as Han clearly told her something about Rey right after they link back up (something like "I saw our son... and he was carrying away Luke's kid").

I also don't really feel that Chewie has to be honoring a life debt to stick around with Rey. I mean, sure, the life debt is the original reason Chewie ended up where he did, but he's not some mindless drone following orders to stick around, you'd have to assume he's established some emotional connection with the greater families involved in the story. That can be enough for him to stick around with Rey.

 

[netnalp]

. I do still think Rey is Luke's daughter, but Kylo knowing who she is makes her being his sister a better alternative for the narrative.

Any more-so than if it is his cousin?

Maybe that'll be another reason why she was able to beat him? That part of him couldn't bring himself to harm her badly.

 

[ghostguy123]

. I do still think Rey is Luke's daughter, but Kylo knowing who she is makes her being his sister a better alternative for the narrative.

Any more-so than if it is his cousin?

Maybe that'll be another reason why she was able to beat him? That part of him couldn't bring himself to harm her badly.

If that is the case (and it might be who the hell knows) then I suppose we need to speculate as to why the hell Leia and Han didn't, ya know, acknowledge their DAUGHTER in any capacity in her presence.

Unless they didn't know who she was, which opens up a billion other questions as to how the hell they didn't know.

 

[netnalp]

. I do still think Rey is Luke's daughter, but Kylo knowing who she is makes her being his sister a better alternative for the narrative.

Any more-so than if it is his cousin?

Eh, maybe not, but I think it does, yeah. IMO, if Rey is his sister, she's likely alive because Kylo spared her during the attack on the temple, and Kylo left her / mind wiped her on Jakku (leading Han and Leia to believe that their daughter is long dead). I'm not 100% sure I buy the same emotional weight on Kylo for having to kill his cousin vs. his sister. It does seem like he's perfectly OK with killing Luke throughout the movie. Now that I think about it though, does Kylo ever explicitly say he wants the map so he can kill Skywalker? I know Snoke does, but I can't remember if Kylo ever says it. I suppose Kylo might just want to find Luke vs. kill him.

All of that said, I do still think Rey is Luke's kid, and that Han recognizes her as Luke's kid rather than his own. Presumably Leia knows by the time of The Hug as well, as Han clearly told her something about Rey right after they link back up (something like "I saw our son... and he was carrying away Luke's kid").

I also don't really feel that Chewie has to be honoring a life debt to stick around with Rey. I mean, sure, the life debt is the original reason Chewie ended up where he did, but he's not some mindless drone following orders to stick around, you'd have to assume he's established some emotional connection with the greater families involved in the story. That can be enough for him to stick around with Rey.

Maybe Kylo hopes to bring out Luke's darkside so they can be the two Sith? Kylo may think his tapping into Luke and his Vader side is saving them both. Makes sense if the director is following the theme Lucas has mentioned that those on the darkside actually think they are doing good and what's best for the universe.

 

[Psychopav]

What's the big deal about Rey being left handed?

 

[ghostguy123]

What's the big deal about Rey being left handed?

Exactly. She's a girl. She don't know what handed she throws/shoots with.

In all seriousness though, yeah, who cares.

 

[Frostillicus]

What's the big deal about Rey being left handed?

Probably not Inigo Montoya's daughter.

 

[Koya]

Just got back from seeing it a second time and agree it is much better on repeat viewings. Some of the negatives people mentioned annoyed me the first time but didn't bother me at all the second time.

I am also more convinced that Rey is the daughter of Leia and Han as opposed to Luke. I was leaning that way after the first viewing but thought it was a toss up. Now I more strongly believe she is a Solo for a few reasons:

1) Contrary to what many have said, Luke's theme does not frequently play in scenes involved Rey. Luke's theme = main theme. Most of the scenes where Rey is using her powers play the more generic Force theme.

2) Can't be sure because I wasn't thinking about it at the time, but I think that when Leia hugs Rey it plays part of the Han Solo and the Princess love theme. Will check for sure if I see it again.

3) Most importantly, it struck me that Rey almost has to be a Solo for Chewie to go with her at the end. Once Han dies, his life debt should past to Han's family. Obviously wouldn't go to Kylo, so the next most logical person then would be to Leia. Unless...Han has another child. Only way I can see Chewie leaving Leia's side is if she let's him know that Rey is Han's daughter.

My wife and I both agreed that there were strong hints pushing that its Hans and Leia, hug and the eye contact, among other things including taking the MF. And Leia's royal blood to boot.

Ok.............does Leia know this??

No. Well, don't think so. But maybe with the force? Id think not. Like she didn't know Luke.

And maybe we are mistaken. Maybe they are giving you a false path... but if anything, we agreed it was almost 'too' obvious.

How is it "too obvious" to you, yet Leia wouldnt know if it is her daughter. I mean, she SHOULD know if she has a daughter right? And if so, that Rey would be that daughter?

Not saying it isn't possible, but no idea how you can think it is "obvious" considering for it to be true, Leia would have basically had to have given up her daughter, but also not know Rey is her daughter.

I felt like the director was leading us down that road... dont know if its true or a diversion. Or nothin'

 

[Mr. Pickles]

So the people who are #####ing about this being a rehash of IV are also #####ing that the bad guy isnt set up the way he was in IV???

pretty much. This thread has devoted into idiots and trolls as expected.

Have you fallen off your epic mount?

 

[Koya]

Either way.. wheeeeeeeeeerrrrr wheeeeerrrr fffffeeeeeeeeewwww

boom boom boom

KABOOM!

 

[shuke]

Who greenlit this disaster of a script?

Dudes who are getting rich.

 

[Koya]

Who greenlit this disaster of a script?

Dudes who are getting rich.

It's freakin' Star Wars. Not Game of Thrones.

 

[Frostillicus]

Who greenlit this disaster of a script?

Dudes who are getting rich.

It's freakin' Star Wars. Not Game of Thrones.

WHAT?

 

[Koya]

Who greenlit this disaster of a script?

Dudes who are getting rich.

It's freakin' Star Wars. Not Game of Thrones.

WHAT?

People dissecting the script without the perspective that this is SW - not the deepest screenplay work. That's not what this experience is all about.

 

[shuke]

Who greenlit this disaster of a script?

Dudes who are getting rich.

It's freakin' Star Wars. Not Game of Thrones.

WHAT?

HE SAID IT'S FREAKIN' STAR WARS, NOT GAME OF THRONES!

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Love how future movies can't have a bar scene just because there was also one in ANH. talk about nitpicking.

If they had a "Star Wars" movie that was just 10-15 minute vignettes of various goings-on in different bars/cantinas around the Universe, I'd be first in line.

I also need to see some alien hookers.

 

[shader]

Who greenlit this disaster of a script?

Dudes who are getting rich.

It's freakin' Star Wars. Not Game of Thrones.

WHAT?

People dissecting the script without the perspective that this is SW - not the deepest screenplay work. That's not what this experience is all about.

This was all very predictable. I posted a week before it came out that people would whine about the plot being simple, even though I had no idea what the plot was.

But it's Star Wars. It's about good vs evil, it's about the journey of a couple people from ordinary nobodies to heros.

It's not a complex thing.

I mean seriously we all know that Kylo and Snoke will rise up to the point where they almost win, and then ultimately Rey and Finn will win in the end. I mean this is basic stuff.

Again, people that hate on this movie are serious dorks.

 

[Frostillicus]

Who greenlit this disaster of a script?

Dudes who are getting rich.

It's freakin' Star Wars. Not Game of Thrones.

WHAT?

People dissecting the script without the perspective that this is SW - not the deepest screenplay work. That's not what this experience is all about.

No I just thought it was a game of thrones movie for a sec and I missed something.

 

[ghostguy123]

I felt like the director was leading us down that road... dont know if its true or a diversion. Or nothin'

So this = "too obvious"??

 

[Koya]

I felt like the director was leading us down that road... dont know if its true or a diversion. Or nothin'

So this = "too obvious"??

 

[Zigg]

Who greenlit this disaster of a script?

Dudes who are getting rich.

It's freakin' Star Wars. Not Game of Thrones.

WHAT?

People dissecting the script without the perspective that this is SW - not the deepest screenplay work. That's not what this experience is all about.

This was all very predictable. I posted a week before it came out that people would whine about the plot being simple, even though I had no idea what the plot was.

But it's Star Wars. It's about good vs evil, it's about the journey of a couple people from ordinary nobodies to heros.

It's not a complex thing.

I mean seriously we all know that Kylo and Snoke will rise up to the point where they almost win, and then ultimately Rey and Finn will win in the end. I mean this is basic stuff.

Again, people that hate on this movie are serious dorks.

Why strive to make an excellent, interesting movie when you can make a billion with a popular brand and a safe, run of the mill movie. It depresses me that the first thought that goes into these movies is "how do we make money," rather than "how can we make this movie great."

I'm by no means a star wars fanboy, or a serious dork. I just hope to get an enjoyable movie with a decent plot.

I think a Nirvana quote works nicely here:

"I wish I was like you, easily amused."

 

[ShaqAttaq]

if i spent 4 billion dollars for the rights to make more movies, my primary thought would be "how do i make that money back?"

 

[Otis]

So the people who are #####ing about this being a rehash of IV are also #####ing that the bad guy isnt set up the way he was in IV???

pretty much. This thread has devoted into idiots and trolls as expected.

Have you fallen off your epic mount?

lol