STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (2 Viewers)

[bcdjr1]

Literally just read an article about this yesterday or the day before saying that these types of "maps" are used exactly as I'm saying in the Star Wars universe and that Star Wars Rebels explains it. 

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-rebels-canon-season-2?view=all

read number 22. 

I would say that those "starmaps" would be data tables compiled for a computer to access rather than to read visually. Visually, they'd be practically useless for precision course plotting.  As data tables you could have a computer extrapolate the data into a visual for the humans who weren't doing any of this course plotting, but you wouldn't want your nav computer to use something that imprecise. Might as well do it yourself in that case. They even say that the star maps are basically sets of coordinates compiled as someone flies through and charts the system. Coordinates indicate tables of data, not drawings or "turn left when you see the kinda blue-white star over the yellow planetoid". I mean, consider the scale of the map they were looking at in the movie. There's a lot of space hazards you'd miss looking at that because they'd be too small to show up.

It would also mean that pulling the map Rey saw from her head using the Force would get you a useless picture if you're Kylo Ren, even if it had been complete. The only way that would be helpful would be if Luke were on a planet already in a well-charted system, they just didn't know which one. Then they'd already know all those small details you wouldn't see on the map and they wouldn't be a problem. But then, why would you need a whole map instead of just the coordinates of the planet? And you end up realizing there's no point to the whole visual map thing.

 

[bcdjr1]

Decent explanation but still doesn't explain the simplicity of saying "here's a map of the whole galaxy, and here's this small puzzle piece to fill on where Luke is. Also ignore the line leading to that area until you get that small piece."

I will say that if you're looking at a visual map, needing the two peices could actually make sense.  The larger peice doesn't have the precise location without the smaller peice.  And the smaller peice might be completely lacking in context - such as scale, orientation, identifiable landmarks - that could only be gained by combining it with the larger peice. That makes sense.

The part that doesn't is why have a map at all? Unless Luke wanted to be a #### about letting people know where he was. Like, he left you enough information to find him, but only if you put a lot of time and effort into it. Because he only wants you to find him if it's really urgent, but not so urgent that you can't take the required time to do the work.

Almost like he was thinking "this doesn't make sense logically, but it'd be a fun story obstacle for heroes to have to overcome".

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I will say that if you're looking at a visual map, needing the two peices could actually make sense.  The larger peice doesn't have the precise location without the smaller peice.  And the smaller peice might be completely lacking in context - such as scale, orientation, identifiable landmarks - that could only be gained by combining it with the larger peice. That makes sense.

The part that doesn't is why have a map at all? Unless Luke wanted to be a #### about letting people know where he was. Like, he left you enough information to find him, but only if you put a lot of time and effort into it. Because he only wants you to find him if it's really urgent, but not so urgent that you can't take the required time to do the work.

Almost like he was thinking "this doesn't make sense logically, but it'd be a fun story obstacle for heroes to have to overcome".

Luke did not leave any map. Luke seeker out the first Jedi temple. Han says that nobody knew where he went but those who knew him best say he went looking for this temple. He probably used the force. Kylo had partial map from empire/Jedi records. Old man had the missing piece somehow (removed by yoda and Obi wan?). 

 

[bcdjr1]

Luke did not leave any map. Luke seeker out the first Jedi temple. Han says that nobody knew where he went but those who knew him best say he went looking for this temple. He probably used the force. Kylo had partial map from empire/Jedi records. Old man had the missing piece somehow (removed by yoda and Obi wan?). 

Still doesn't answer why there's a visual map instead of navigational data or just a location. And then you have to wonder why someone would then split up the pieces of that map if the temple could still be found without it. Why not just destroy it instead? Obviously, the people who need to find it can without the map, so leaving a map behind just allows the possibility that the wrong people could find it.

Plus, if it only takes the Force to find this place, both Snoke and Kylo should be able to find it.

 

[Psychopav]

https://youtu.be/gZEdDMQZaCU

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Still doesn't answer why there's a visual map instead of navigational data or just a location. And then you have to wonder why someone would then split up the pieces of that map if the temple could still be found without it. Why not just destroy it instead? Obviously, the people who need to find it can without the map, so leaving a map behind just allows the possibility that the wrong people could find it.

Plus, if it only takes the Force to find this place, both Snoke and Kylo should be able to find it.

What's your deal?

The map is a visual representation of the coordinates and hyperspace route.  Why wouldn't you want to see it?

My guess is that not just anybody can use the force to locate the temple. Luke is special and also could have had aid from Yoda and Obi-Wan. I'd think the Jedi would want to both protect its location and also be able to go there, the location and map was protected and broken up. Kylo probably did a combination of hunting down pieces and/or utilizing empire and sith data and holocrons. 

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

Still doesn't answer why there's a visual map instead of navigational data or just a location. And then you have to wonder why someone would then split up the pieces of that map if the temple could still be found without it. Why not just destroy it instead? Obviously, the people who need to find it can without the map, so leaving a map behind just allows the possibility that the wrong people could find it.

Plus, if it only takes the Force to find this place, both Snoke and Kylo should be able to find it.

The droids rendered the data visually for the benefit of the humans like your phone does when using google maps or whatever you use. The missing "piece" of the map was actually the missing portion of data. These people aren't in the matrix and can't read billions of lines of code in minutes, but they sure as #### can look at a map. Why is this so damn difficult?

 

[bcdjr1]

What's your deal?

The map is a visual representation of the coordinates and hyperspace route.  Why wouldn't you want to see it?

My guess is that not just anybody can use the force to locate the temple. Luke is special and also could have had aid from Yoda and Obi-Wan. I'd think the Jedi would want to both protect its location and also be able to go there, the location and map was protected and broken up. Kylo probably did a combination of hunting down pieces and/or utilizing empire and sith data and holocrons. 

The droids rendered the data visually for the benefit of the humans like your phone does when using google maps or whatever you use. The missing "piece" of the map was actually the missing portion of data. These people aren't in the matrix and can't read billions of lines of code in minutes, but they sure as #### can look at a map. Why is this so damn difficult?

Rendering it visually is great - so long as you don't expect to use the visual as a navigational tool.

But Kylo captures Rey and tries to pull the map from her mind because she's seen it. This would be useless information and therefore pointless. Unless they actually plan to use the image of the map - now only a picture in his mind from a picture in her mind - as a navigational tool. Which makes no sense, and thus my problem with it.

 

[apalmer]

Why would a computer need a map?  Do you think your phone is looking at a map when it guides you from place to place?  Your phone has to use extra processing power to render the map so you can follow along.  It's just using search algorithms to find routes between waypoints, all of which are rows of data in tables, no map needed.

I hate to break it to you, but, yeah, my phone is looking at a map when it guides me from place to place.  If it wasn't, it wouldn't know where the streets were, and it would direct me to drive through a river on the way to work, because that's the direct route. Whether that map is a graphic representation that I'd recognize or a set of data points that a computer would recognize, it's still a map that needed to be programmed into the computer sometime.

 

[bcdjr1]

I hate to break it to you, but, yeah, my phone is looking at a map when it guides me from place to place.  If it wasn't, it wouldn't know where the streets were, and it would direct me to drive through a river on the way to work, because that's the direct route. Whether that map is a graphic representation that I'd recognize or a set of data points that a computer would recognize, it's still a map that needed to be programmed into the computer sometime.

I hate to break it to you, but your phone doesn't actually look at anything, as "look" indicates vision. It has programs that cross reference your GPS location with coordinates in tables to tell you when to turn. It has no idea there's a river between you and your work. Or that you drive on streets.  Your phone doesn't even understand what a river or a street drawn on a map is. You could take the program your phone uses, completely remove the graphical interface, and it would still be able to navigate you from home to work because the data it uses doesn't depend on sight at all. This is why your phone may occasionally tell you to take a roundabout path to get to a point that you can see from the map has a more direct route. Someone put bad data in its tables, and because it can't look at the map and understand it, it has no way of knowing.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

I hate to break it to you, but your phone doesn't actually look at anything, as "look" indicates vision. It has programs that cross reference your GPS location with coordinates in tables to tell you when to turn. It has no idea there's a river between you and your work. Or that you drive on streets.  Your phone doesn't even understand what a river or a street drawn on a map is. You could take the program your phone uses, completely remove the graphical interface, and it would still be able to navigate you from home to work because the data it uses doesn't depend on sight at all. This is why your phone may occasionally tell you to take a roundabout path to get to a point that you can see from the map has a more direct route. Someone put bad data in its tables, and because it can't look at the map and understand it, it has no way of knowing.

Yes, it uses a coded map.

 

[joey]

Riveting stuff. 

 

[apalmer]

I hate to break it to you, but your phone doesn't actually look at anything, as "look" indicates vision. It has programs that cross reference your GPS location with coordinates in tables to tell you when to turn. It has no idea there's a river between you and your work. Or that you drive on streets.  Your phone doesn't even understand what a river or a street drawn on a map is. You could take the program your phone uses, completely remove the graphical interface, and it would still be able to navigate you from home to work because the data it uses doesn't depend on sight at all. This is why your phone may occasionally tell you to take a roundabout path to get to a point that you can see from the map has a more direct route. Someone put bad data in its tables, and because it can't look at the map and understand it, it has no way of knowing.

Nice parsing, even though I have to disagree with your limitation of "look"--if computers can't "look", why are they provided with "lookup tables" to use"?  Glad you agree that the info on how to get from point A to Point B had to be programmed into the system in some form, whether you want to call it a map or "data". The fact that their computer is capable of rendering that data in "map" format at the same time it reads it as "data" and that it couldn't get them from point A to point B until they provided that info, doesn't seem like a major plot issue to me.

 

[Capella]

Riveting stuff. 

My god. Wtf is happening in here 

 

[Insein]

My god. Wtf is happening in here 

Abramsing. Refer to the lost thread for details.

 

[bcdjr1]

Nice parsing, even though I have to disagree with your limitation of "look"--if computers can't "look", why are they provided with "lookup tables" to use"?  Glad you agree that the info on how to get from point A to Point B had to be programmed into the system in some form, whether you want to call it a map or "data". The fact that their computer is capable of rendering that data in "map" format at the same time it reads it as "data" and that it couldn't get them from point A to point B until they provided that info, doesn't seem like a major plot issue to me.

The plot issue was, why have a map? If it's just data, you don't need the visual for the computers. In A New Hope, people actually ended up having to look at the plans of the Death Star.  No people are needed for this if it's just data. However, if it's just data, then the picture that was rendered from it is unlikely to be useful as the scale the visual was at rendered the critical information unreadable.  They were looking at a map that showed the whole galaxy, after all, to find one island on one planet.  But Kylo was going to pull the information from Rey's mind because she'd seen the map rather than continue to try to get the data from BB-8.  How would that be a feasible plan?

The problem I have with this, and other points in the movie, are problems that a lot of people have with JJ Abram's stuff.  As long as you're just watching it, it seems fine and cool.  But he puts in elements that might make the movie fun, but once you start thinking about it, it starts to unravel.  And then it's hard to watch it again without thinking about it.  Like in Star Trek Into Darkness when Khan was originally going under a fake name.  Why?  No one would've known who he was except for Old Spock who was nowhere around, not that anyone involved in giving him a fake name would've known Old Spock would've known his name anyway.  It was purely to make for a dramatic reveal for fans who knew Trek lore.  And while that was cool while you're watching the movie, it didn't make any sense when you think about it.

The CinemasSins video, which is what started this, points out several of those kinds of things in The Force Awakens, of which the map is one.  That is why I like that video, which was what I was saying at the beginning of this.

 

[FUBAR]

Literally just read an article about this yesterday or the day before saying that these types of "maps" are used exactly as I'm saying in the Star Wars universe and that Star Wars Rebels explains it. 

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-rebels-canon-season-2?view=all

read number 22. 

Decent explanation but still doesn't explain the simplicity of saying "here's a map of the whole galaxy, and here's this small puzzle piece to fill on where Luke is. Also ignore the line leading to that area until you get that small piece."

That's actually a really good, easily understood explanation.  If I want to go to find a person who's in a bar, giving me a map of Christopher St. and 7th Ave isn't going to do much good without a map showing me that the other map belongs in NYC. 

But Luke sure seems like a ##### for not only hiding, but putting R2 to sleep.  

 

[Buckychudd]

Like in Star Trek Into Darkness when Khan was originally going under a fake name.  Why?  No one would've known who he was except for Old Spock who was nowhere around, not that anyone involved in giving him a fake name would've known Old Spock would've known his name anyway.  It was purely to make for a dramatic reveal for fans who knew Trek lore.  And while that was cool while you're watching the movie, it didn't make any sense when you think about it.

This is why I dislike Cinema Sins.....300 years earlier this guy ruled 25% of the earth and precipitated a brutal war that killed at least 40 million.  Yet they think no one will have heard of him.....just stupid.  Yeah they might not make the connection, but who knows an why risk him using his real name?  #### if someone found just one image of him from 300 years ago and compared they'd notice they looked identical add that to the same name and you're ####ed.

 

[bcdjr1]

This is why I dislike Cinema Sins.....300 years earlier this guy ruled 25% of the earth and precipitated a brutal war that killed at least 40 million.  Yet they think no one will have heard of him.....just stupid.  Yeah they might not make the connection, but who knows an why risk him using his real name?  #### if someone found just one image of him from 300 years ago and compared they'd notice they looked identical add that to the same name and you're ####ed.

Except that records of that time were all but lost.  Even if anyone recognized the name, which is highly doubtful (how many kings that aren't recorded anywhere do you know of?), who would've thought "oh, that must be the same guy with that name from 300 years ago!".  If you introduced me to someone named Ghengis Khan right now, I wouldn't assume he was the Mongol ruler from the 13th century, and that's a name that's much more famous today than Khan's would've been during the time of that movie.

And have you seen the articles online of people from the past who look like famous people of today?  Do you think anyone (sane) suspects that they're the same people?  Do you think they would even if they had the same name?

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

Except that records of that time were all but lost.  Even if anyone recognized the name, which is highly doubtful (how many kings that aren't recorded anywhere do you know of?), who would've thought "oh, that must be the same guy with that name from 300 years ago!".  If you introduced me to someone named Ghengis Khan right now, I wouldn't assume he was the Mongol ruler from the 13th century, and that's a name that's much more famous today than Khan's would've been during the time of that movie.

And have you seen the articles online of people from the past who look like famous people of today?  Do you think anyone (sane) suspects that they're the same people?  Do you think they would even if they had the same name?

I'm fairly certain that Nic Cage is immortal.

 

[Buckychudd]

Except that records of that time were all but lost.  Even if anyone recognized the name, which is highly doubtful (how many kings that aren't recorded anywhere do you know of?), who would've thought "oh, that must be the same guy with that name from 300 years ago!".  If you introduced me to someone named Ghengis Khan right now, I wouldn't assume he was the Mongol ruler from the 13th century, and that's a name that's much more famous today than Khan's would've been during the time of that movie.

And have you seen the articles online of people from the past who look like famous people of today?  Do you think anyone (sane) suspects that they're the same people?  Do you think they would even if they had the same name?

He'd be number one on this list that a simple wikipedia search turned up, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires.  It goes back to 2400 BC, and even then I can pop into the description and learn about the rulers.

We currently have the technology to do a simple google search on someone's name and pictures come up.  If I did this and someone I met looked exactly like someone who was alive 300 years ago and just happened to have the same name, I might get curious enough to run them through some type of facial matching software that is probably ubiquitous in 300 years.  That software will then tell me that not only is it a match it's an exact match.  Then I probably realize that cryogenics was pretty well advanced and start putting two and two together.  This all might be avoided by something as simple as using a ####### fake name, or hey they could do nothing and hope for the best.

 

[FUBAR]

He'd be number one on this list that a simple wikipedia search turned up, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires.  It goes back to 2400 BC, and even then I can pop into the description and learn about the rulers.

We currently have the technology to do a simple google search on someone's name and pictures come up.  If I did this and someone I met looked exactly like someone who was alive 300 years ago and just happened to have the same name, I might get curious enough to run them through some type of facial matching software that is probably ubiquitous in 300 years.  That software will then tell me that not only is it a match it's an exact match.  Then I probably realize that cryogenics was pretty well advanced and start putting two and two together.  This all might be avoided by something as simple as using a ####### fake name, or hey they could do nothing and hope for the best.

maybe but if a dude named George introduced himself to me, I'd probably reply with a simple "Hi George" while thinking the guy's a bit of a dandy.

 

[Frostillicus]

:gunshot:

 

[bcdjr1]

He'd be number one on this list that a simple wikipedia search turned up, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires.  It goes back to 2400 BC, and even then I can pop into the description and learn about the rulers.

We currently have the technology to do a simple google search on someone's name and pictures come up.  If I did this and someone I met looked exactly like someone who was alive 300 years ago and just happened to have the same name, I might get curious enough to run them through some type of facial matching software that is probably ubiquitous in 300 years.  That software will then tell me that not only is it a match it's an exact match.  Then I probably realize that cryogenics was pretty well advanced and start putting two and two together.  This all might be avoided by something as simple as using a ####### fake name, or hey they could do nothing and hope for the best.

Except when I say that most of the records from that time were lost, I meant that if you did a search for anyone from that time, you'd come up with no results.  You know, because doing a search like that only works if records exist.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I watched this again over the weekend and one thing I really liked that I had forgotten about was that they went back to the lightsabers having some heft to them like the original trilogy.  They wanted to do these crazy choreographed lightsaber battles in the prequels where the characters were just throwing them around like fencing swords.  The Ep7 battles weren't as much of a spectacle but I think I liked them better with the characters having to put real effort into each swing.

 

[Mario Kart]

I watched this again over the weekend and one thing I really liked that I had forgotten about was that they went back to the lightsabers having some heft to them like the original trilogy.  They wanted to do these crazy choreographed lightsaber battles in the prequels where the characters were just throwing them around like fencing swords.  The Ep7 battles weren't as much of a spectacle but I think I liked them better with the characters having to put real effort into each swing.

That could be because they were amateurs with a lightsaber. The prequels had masters or jedi that have had much training wielding them.

 

[bcdjr1]

That could be because they were amateurs with a lightsaber. The prequels had masters or jedi that have had much training wielding them.

To add to that, in the original trilogy Lucas wanted the lightsaber battles to be more than they were. As you go from ANH to RotJ, they get to be flashier and more elaborate. Jedi are supposed to be able to tap into the Force to make them superhuman when wielding a lightsaber. That's why they can block blaster bolts with them when the average schmo would be much more likely to cut off one of their own limbs.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Interesting.  I thought I'd remembered some mention of the script from the original star wars containing verbage saying that lightsabers were very heavy and were wielded similarly to two-handed broadswords.

 

[bcdjr1]

Ok, this isn't really a nitpick of the movie, but sort of is.  I'm just wondering... where did Starkiller base come from?

We know that for the Death Star, which was basically just using super-high powered versions of ship-board turbolasers, it took the time between Ep3 and Ep4 to go from a skeletal structure to fully built.  That's about 18 years.  And it wasn't a secret during that time.  The Jedi knew about it before they were destroyed.  The Rebels found out about it before it was completed.  People knew about it.

Starkiller base was many times the size of the Death Star.  And it's using a completely new technology that is hyper-lightspeed.  You don't just build a planet-sized base around a weapon like that without testing it once or twice.  So how is it that this thing was a complete surprise to everyone outside the First Order?

If I was going to nitpick something about Starkiller base, it would be the single firing of the weapon we see in the movie.  Five planets, that all had to be within the same solar system as each other, as well as the planet that Maz Kanata's bar was on.  Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to see the weapon fire and destroy those planets from the surface of that one.  That seems a bit odd to me.  It's possible, I mean it could be that they terraformed the planets, and they all happened to be in some celestial alignment at that time so they were all in the sky over Maz's bar when the First Order blew them up.  But it still seems very weird.

 

[Insein]

Ok, this isn't really a nitpick of the movie, but sort of is.  I'm just wondering... where did Starkiller base come from?

We know that for the Death Star, which was basically just using super-high powered versions of ship-board turbolasers, it took the time between Ep3 and Ep4 to go from a skeletal structure to fully built.  That's about 18 years.  And it wasn't a secret during that time.  The Jedi knew about it before they were destroyed.  The Rebels found out about it before it was completed.  People knew about it.

Starkiller base was many times the size of the Death Star.  And it's using a completely new technology that is hyper-lightspeed.  You don't just build a planet-sized base around a weapon like that without testing it once or twice.  So how is it that this thing was a complete surprise to everyone outside the First Order?

If I was going to nitpick something about Starkiller base, it would be the single firing of the weapon we see in the movie.  Five planets, that all had to be within the same solar system as each other, as well as the planet that Maz Kanata's bar was on.  Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to see the weapon fire and destroy those planets from the surface of that one.  That seems a bit odd to me.  It's possible, I mean it could be that they terraformed the planets, and they all happened to be in some celestial alignment at that time so they were all in the sky over Maz's bar when the First Order blew them up.  But it still seems very weird.

1 planet and its 4 moons.

And yes it was very movie convenient that everyone was able to see the beam from where they were. 

Now it may have been possible to build it in secret as there are many dark sectors of the galaxy but we were lead to believe that it was in close enough proximity to destroy the newly elected government planet of Hosnian Prime.  So yes it doesn't really make logistical sense that something 10 times the size of the death Star could have been created in secret. 

Then there's the heat generated from the main cannon. If they were 100% efficient t with the weapon where are energy created is expelled into the shot, then maybe the planet could survive. However if they're even a fraction off, the entire atmosphere of this makeshift planet should burn off instantly. That's not even going into how it manages to suck in the mass of a star thousands of times it's size and not manage to change the planet's gravity or anything. 

Hence Star Wars is fantasy. Starkiller base is as real as dragons and zombies on the plausibility meter.

 

[bcdjr1]

1 planet and its 4 moons.

....

Hence Star Wars is fantasy. Starkiller base is as real as dragons and zombies on the plausibility meter.

Did not know that about the 1 planet and 4 moons. In the movie, they just say that it can destroy an entire system, which I've always heard refer to a star (or solar) system.

As to the plausibility of Starkiller, I was under no illusions about that. CinemaSins made the point that, upon firing the weapon, every member of the First Order watching from the surface of Starkiller should've melted from the heat of the beam. But, as I said, even the Death Star wasn't able to be constructed in secret. And the Empire's enemies weren't all that well organized. The Resistence is backed by the New Republic, a legitimate government with all the resources of such to back it up. And yet they seemed to have never even heard of this weapon until it had been used against them.  They even seemed surprised tha a hyper-lightspeed weapon had been developed.

 

[Insein]

Did not know that about the 1 planet and 4 moons. In the movie, they just say that it can destroy an entire system, which I've always heard refer to a star (or solar) system.

As to the plausibility of Starkiller, I was under no illusions about that. CinemaSins made the point that, upon firing the weapon, every member of the First Order watching from the surface of Starkiller should've melted from the heat of the beam. But, as I said, even the Death Star wasn't able to be constructed in secret. And the Empire's enemies weren't all that well organized. The Resistence is backed by the New Republic, a legitimate government with all the resources of such to back it up. And yet they seemed to have never even heard of this weapon until it had been used against them.  They even seemed surprised tha a hyper-lightspeed weapon had been developed.

Details that JJ left for the authors of the new EU to fill in for him. 

 

[Hang 10]

The funny thing is that if the starkiller base simply just drained the nearest sun, it wouldn't have even needed to blow up those planets at all. Wouldn't everyone on those planets freeze to death shortly after their sun dies? 

The starkiller base, like the map to Luke are just stupid ideas that don't really hold up to any critical questioning. TFA was a dumb movie for people whole like lightsabers and fastfood. 

 

[dparker713]

The funny thing is that if the starkiller base simply just drained the nearest sun, it wouldn't have even needed to blow up those planets at all. Wouldn't everyone on those planets freeze to death shortly after their sun dies? 

The starkiller base, like the map to Luke are just stupid ideas that don't really hold up to any critical questioning. TFA was dumb movie for people whole like lightsabers and fastfood. 

I love lightsabers and fastfood.

 

[bcdjr1]

The funny thing is that if the starkiller base simply just drained the nearest sun, it wouldn't have even needed to blow up those planets at all. Wouldn't everyone on those planets freeze to death shortly after their sun dies? 

The starkiller base, like the map to Luke are just stupid ideas that don't really hold up to any critical questioning. TFA was a dumb movie for people whole like lightsabers and fastfood. 

But that would require them getting the planet-sized base past the enemy forces to get to the sun. Considering the Resistance took it out with a handful of X-Wings, that would be a Bad Plan.

 

[Insein]

But that would require them getting the planet-sized base past the enemy forces to get to the sun. Considering the Resistance took it out with a handful of X-Wings, that would be a Bad Plan.

I'm wondering how it gets to another sun. It is a damn planet after all. It ate that one star for only 2 potential shots as the star was gone before the second shot fired. What'd they plan to do after that?

 

[bcdjr1]

I'm wondering how it gets to another sun. It is a damn planet after all. It ate that one star for only 2 potential shots as the star was gone before the second shot fired. What'd they plan to do after that?

The way it was presented in the movie, 1 star = 1 shot.  It must be that they had already powered the weapon before beginning to orbit the star they were near when they fired the first time.  Starkiller must be mobile, much like the Death Star was.

 

[Insein]

The way it was presented in the movie, 1 star = 1 shot.  It must be that they had already powered the weapon before beginning to orbit the star they were near when they fired the first time.  Starkiller must be mobile, much like the Death Star was.

Which goes back to how does someone miss a freaking planet moving at hyperspace across the galaxy?

 

[bcdjr1]

Which goes back to how does someone miss a freaking planet moving at hyperspace across the galaxy?

Yup.

 

[Skoo]

Which goes back to how does someone miss a freaking planet moving at hyperspace across the galaxy?

The galaxy is pretty darn big.

Like really really big.

 

[Insein]

The galaxy is pretty darn big.

Like really really big.

And yet small, so small. Like small enough that you can see a hyperspace beam travel towards a planet millions of light years away. Takodana (Maz's bar) is further away from Hosnian Prime than Coruscant is to Alderaan.  Like 3 times as far. Yet TFA makes it feel like we're  all in the same system, Jakku, Takodana, D'Qar and Hosnian Prime. 

 

[LAUNCH]

http://swanh.net/

Star Wars: A New Hope turned into one long scrollable schematic.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Finally saw this today.

Totally underwhelming.

 

[dparker713]

The way it was presented in the movie, 1 star = 1 shot.  It must be that they had already powered the weapon before beginning to orbit the star they were near when they fired the first time.  Starkiller must be mobile, much like the Death Star was.

It was presented as the star could replenish over time.  The base would pull energy from the star.  It would discharge and then some time later the star would be able to power the weapon again.

 

[dparker713]

And yet small, so small. Like small enough that you can see a hyperspace beam travel towards a planet millions of light years away. Takodana (Maz's bar) is further away from Hosnian Prime than Coruscant is to Alderaan.  Like 3 times as far. Yet TFA makes it feel like we're  all in the same system, Jakku, Takodana, D'Qar and Hosnian Prime. 

The science part of TFA was atrocious.  However, was it fun?

 

[bcdjr1]

It was presented as the star could replenish over time.  The base would pull energy from the star.  It would discharge and then some time later the star would be able to power the weapon again.

That's not what I heard.  They said that it drains the star until it disappears.  Do stars re-pop like video game bad guys now?

 

[Insein]

The science part of TFA was atrocious.  However, was it fun?

In a shut my brain off fast and furious kind of way yea. If I don't worry about anything possibly being realistic or having meaning inside its own universe, I can enjoy the movie. 

 

[Insein]

That's not what I heard.  They said that it drains the star until it disappears.  Do stars re-pop like video game bad guys now?

No. No they do not. And it didn't in the movie. They drained half of it to fire the first shot. Then the other half for the second attempt before the xwings yada yada yada. Rebels win!

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

The science part of TFA was atrocious.  However, was it fun?

It's a fantasy film.  Science doesn't matter.

 

[cstu]

It's a fantasy film.  Science doesn't matter.

It's science fantasy - some science, some fantasy (like the force).