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Same here.
Easily starting Starks over BJGE. And if Urlacher is playing, over Ingram as well.
enjoy the 2nd half when he goes wild
There is no need for you to reply, or read the thread, if it does not interest you.xoxo
Are you saying that there are people that can't watch every game every week on DVR so that you can break down every play!? I tend to agree that there are some that don't have that kind of time.
Perhaps a better way to phrase that is, "For those that got to watch the game, Starks looked like the better back. Given that GB scores a ton and will have games that need the clock run out I would LOVE to have Starks right now but more importantly later in the season."
Only way this happens is if Grant or Starks goes down to injury and Green shines in an opportunity. Otherwise, I don't see how McCarthy works Green in the GP.
*Week 4 of 2012
Not in my opinion. Too many mouths to feed. Grant AND Alex Green would have to get hurt. IMHO, if only one or the other goes down, than Starks just splits time with whoever is left. I think GB appears to be an ugly RBBC - possibly with 3 heads as the season moves along. They will likely try to get Green some snaps - and that will eat into everyone's touches a bit.None for me thanks.
When later? Maybe in a dynasty league, he's worthless in a redraft.
You will lose your league if you bank on Grant or Starks right now. Be smart, pick up Green this week and watch the money roll in at the end of the year. Green is the only play. Watch and learn.
you really think so? It has already been documented how Starks saw more snaps, touches etc. Not to mention, Grant took a paycut in the preseason (presumably to help stay on the roster). Why are you down on Starks? I would love to hear the other side of this argument. TIA.AB
Wait. . .Alex? Is that you??
I remember there was one glaring play in the Saints game where Starks messed up and Rodgers was left out to dry. Was this a one-time mistake with Starks or is there a chronic problem? I'm asking because I really don't know. I hate it when people overreact to one play and it seems like that may be the case.
I don't know if that was in reference to me. I'm not a noob, but you are right I could have used the search function and I found my answer on a different thread.
Disclaimer: I am a Bears fan not a Packers fan. Starks did not miss his block on the play being mentioned. He did what he was supposed to do on that particular play. The linebacker made an excellent decision and move and made a nice attempt on Aaron.Starks has few issues with protection. Is he the best on the team? No. But he is far from a liability.
Starks played well but won't get enough touches to be more than a flex. Grant (and Kuhn) will get TDs too.
How many times did this argument get destroyed in the other Grant vs. Starks thread? It is the anti-Starks zombie talking point.
I think Starks biggest problem from a fantasy perspective is he is sharing rushing TDs with Rodgers and Khun, and Grant. I do think there is RB1 upside if Grant goes down though.
I'm thinking he's gotta be a relative or something. No one not related to Green could honestly think this.
Watch and learn.I'm thinking he's gotta be a relative or something. No one not related to Green could honestly think this.
I got it...One of Alex's relatives clearly stole Mario's laptop and is posting this nonsense! See this quote from Mario's latest post:Watch and learn.I'm thinking he's gotta be a relative or something. No one not related to Green could honestly think this.
thats the rub isnt it since he has had two major injuries in 2+ years
Watch and learn my ###. While Green has talent, it will take some time to materialize. You don't trust the franchise (A-Rod) to a rookie RB when it comes to pass pro. And in GB, you'd better pass pro if you want to be the starter. That is why Grant is still on the team. He can pass pro and Starks has had some issues in that area. Grant is insurance. Next year you might have a valid argument...or very late in the season or an injury.'Mario Kart said:
Sometimes that's the case and you definitely need to try and read between the lines and that is certainly a major theme in the past. However, we have something tangible that we can actually look at and read into. Grant being forced to take a paycut or be cut is the writing on the wall. When preseason was over the Pack decided to move forward with Starks as the lead back and Green as a project. They still needed a veteran insurance policy, so they gave Grant the first option(pay cut) and he took it. People need to detach themselves from the name. If you think of Grant as veteran RB FA "X" who is in decline but signed with a team that can win a SB as a bit player, then it's like a passing thought that he will have zero opportunity unless Starks is tired, can't block, injured, or really ineffective.All of this could easily be discerned before the season even started, but we all needed to see exactly how it plays out on the field. Theory is great, but because the Pack brought in veteran FA "X" it was obvious that even they had a small shred of doubt and were not willing to risk missing a repeat because of ineffective blocking. Don't let people fool you, consistency in blocking is a VERY big deal, but he may have outright messed up on one or two blocks over a ton of snaps, so unless he declines then this isn't an issue. He's sorta an injury risk, but that's what they said about AD and really who isn't an injury risk in the NFL. I'm interested to see how he responds to a nagging injury when it comes. It's hard to strongly judge his ability at this point because of the small sample size, but it's obvious the Pack thinks he's the real deal and that's all that matters to me. So now it's translated to the field. If you're a person that's still unsure about the situation and the major disparity of snaps wasn't like a blinding neon sign flashing in front of your face then the only thing that will wake you up is when it shows up on the stat sheet. My feeling is we're going to see that this weekend.
There have a been a few going back to last year.He made the exact same misread in the Super Bowl (watched it back on the NFL Network's replay).'loompa17 said:
I think this is correct. Many of you have heard the same complaints about the 7th round pick Starks as he runs too upright and is injury prone. Starks owner here and I'd love to see him be the guy because I'm weak at RB but I'm not real optomistic about him taking over the position barring a Grant injury. I see a time share.'Mario Kart said:
Wow, did anyone in this thread actually watch this game? Yes, Starks missed a block on I beleive the Packers 1st drive and hung Rodgers out to dry for a deep sack. It was a bad miss and I remember thinking "so much for Starks this game" and thinking possibly season as well. Grant was in for the next series but he just seemed slow and ineffective (I know he had a decent ypc). But after that drive Starks was in again, showing that one screw-up is not enough to shake the coaches faith in him. For the rest of the game Starks picked up several blitzes and I don't remember another whiff the entire game. Moreover, when GB was trying to run out the clock at the end, it was Starks not Grant, meaning they consider him less of a liability with the ball and a better bet to get tough yards.And as has been mentioned the coach said he didn't get enough touches. I don't see what's missing from this picture where people are guessing. Of course, anything can happen in a game, but he's going against the team that let Beanie Wells run all over them, and he clearly outperformed his 1a counterpart.
The one we are talking about was late in the game.I am not a Starks hater at all. Just pointing out a play where he gave up a sack or a big hit on a play where he was not doing exactly as he should have been. The concern I had with it was compounded when I watched the Super Bowl replay and saw him do the same thing.Also, if Grant looked terrible last week...Id be more inclined to think Starks is primed for a huge day. But Grant looked pretty good last week too. And while not in on as many plays, his touches were right up there with Starks.This is still a committee for now.
Don't you mean WAS earlier than expected. It happened in week 1.
