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Start McNabb this week (1 Viewer)
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simmonjm
Footballguy
You ever heard of Demarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer? McNabb is still battling an ankle injury and was massacred by Dallas in consecutive games last year with a better supporting cast. I think his ranking is on point.
Routilla
Footballguy
I just don't see how.
I'm playing McNabb this week in a 2-QB league but it's not like I've got much in the way of other options.
The alternatives are Matt Hasselbeck or Dennis Dixon.
If you can provide a compelling argument to dump Hass and pick up Dixon to start while relegating McNabb to the bench, I'd love to hear them.
(Incidentally, Dixon is ranked higher than McNabb by FBG at the moment.)
The alternatives are Matt Hasselbeck or Dennis Dixon.
If you can provide a compelling argument to dump Hass and pick up Dixon to start while relegating McNabb to the bench, I'd love to hear them.
(Incidentally, Dixon is ranked higher than McNabb by FBG at the moment.)
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Stafford plays Chicago. Stafford's WRs are Calvin Johnson and Nate Burleson. Chicago was the 25th best pass defense last year. Stafford is healthy.Kolb plays GB. Kolb's WRs are DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin. GB was the 21st best pass defense last year. Kolb is healthy.Palmer plays NE. Palmer's WRs are Terrell Owens and Chad Ochocinco. NE was the 15th best pass defense last year. Palmer is healthy.McNabb plays Dallas. McNabb's WRs are Santana Moss and some guy off the street. Dallas was the 13th best pass defense last year. McNabb is injured.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Actually Stafford's Fbg ranking for this week is very low. I can't figure it out as they had Farve ranked higher than Stafford. I also don't understand how they think Stafford has the potential to be a top 5-7 qb this year but then against the Bears, the easiest team the Lions face in the division and Stafford is ranked way down in the teens. I don't get it, those two statements don't add up to me. I know I'm glad that I sat Farve and Started Stafford this week. 250 and 2 Td's is Stafford's floor this week.
CaptainHook
Footballguy
250+ with 3 scores LMAO
hes not on the eagles anymore bud the redskins dont throw literally 65% of the time
hes not on the eagles anymore bud the redskins dont throw literally 65% of the time
Nightly Mistake
Footballguy
I agree that that probably won't be the case, but I'm just wondering how you would know this.
Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
I like McNabb alot this season. I hope he does well...but as someone stated, they're playing Dallas...250 +3 scores sounds optimistic.
Now who's being overly optimistic? I can see McNabb getting some garbage stats, but not enough to move him into this weeks top ten. Something along the lines of 18 of 31 for 210 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int.
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Nightly Mistake
Footballguy
Son of Skeletor likes to pass. I think this team runs a lot out of necessity, but the truth is we've never see Shanny and Shanny, Jr. operate together so there's a lot we need to learn on this.
4 - Digit Shark
Footballguy
I have no idea what McNabb will to this week, but I don't think PHIL has thrown on 65% of their plays, in the last 2 years anyways. Plus, Shanny Sr. & Jr. seem to have a similar mix to what PHIL has had, when you compare the 2008 & 2009 PHIL stats to that of the 2008 DEN stats (w/ Sr) and the 2009 HOUS stats (w/ Jr)(According to Data Dominator)2008 - PHIL - 606 pass / 421 run = 59% pass2009 - PHIL - 553 pass / 375 run = 59.6% pass2008 - DEN - 619 pass / 380 run = 62% pass2009 - HOUS - 591 pass / 419 run = 58.5% passSo, while I know more goes into it (players on the roster, etc...) I don't think there is any evidence, to date, that the system McNabb is now in, in WASH will pass far less then the system he was in, in PHIL. I know WASH does not have a great group of WR's, but I also do not feel they have a group of RB's that will allow them to pound teams for victories. Not saying Shanny Sr. would not do that if he could, but with Portis and LJ I don't think he has the RB's to run like he did in 2006 & 2007.
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Nightly Mistake
Footballguy
You would be hard pressed to find a better duo of receiving TE's in the league. They'll have some mismatches in the passing game even without great WR's.
joffer
Footballguy
really? that's unfortunate.
Hastur
Footballguy
That would be meNow who's being overly optimistic? I can see McNabb getting some garbage stats, but not enough to move him into this weeks top ten. Something along the lines of 18 of 31 for 210 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
McNabb WAS a top 10 QB. Those days are long gone. He cant stay healthy. If you are going to bump someone it may end up being Rex Grossman.Dallas is going to eat these guys alive on defense. I would bet the under in this game for sure.
shader
Footballguy
Where is all this bravado from the Cowboy fans coming from? Isn't this the same team that finished 20th against the pass in 2009? The same Dallas team that got destroyed by Minnesota 34-3 in the playoffs?
I think Cowboy fans have talked themselves into a juggernaut this off-season, and Sunday night could very well be a bigtime reality check for the Cowboys.
Dallas did hold the Skins to 6 points in TWO games last year, but that was without Donovan McNabb and Mike Shanahan.
I don't expect McNabb's best game of the year, but let's not get carried away...he'll play well and the Skins will score some points.
I think Cowboy fans have talked themselves into a juggernaut this off-season, and Sunday night could very well be a bigtime reality check for the Cowboys.
Dallas did hold the Skins to 6 points in TWO games last year, but that was without Donovan McNabb and Mike Shanahan.
I don't expect McNabb's best game of the year, but let's not get carried away...he'll play well and the Skins will score some points.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
This will be a better game than expected. Dallas is really hurting right now on the OL. Donovan (and even Grossman) bring something that Campbell never had. I expect you will see a lot of Cooley/Davis short in the middle of the field, and maybe a couple of long attempts to Moss/Armstrong. It's just questionable if they can sustain drives.
I give Donovan 2 TDs, 1 INT, 1 Fubmle, 210 yards passing, and 25 yards rushing. Cowgirls over Redskins 27 - 20.
I give Donovan 2 TDs, 1 INT, 1 Fubmle, 210 yards passing, and 25 yards rushing. Cowgirls over Redskins 27 - 20.
simmonjm
Footballguy
Dallas will not go into Washington and dominate. It will be a hard fought game as the Redskins should be able to give the patchwork Dallas offense line fits. As far as bravado the defense came on strong towards the end of the year with the emergence of Anthony Spencer, Dallas fans are licking thier chops imagining what this defense is going to do to a hobbled McNabb and a questionable offensive line. Also its not just Cowboys fans with bravado alot of national media pundits have picked Dallas to advance to the Superbowl.
thehornet
Footballguy
Good thoughts but you guys are off. Some of you are predicting a bad game because they are playing the cowboys, but the coqboys look like trash right now. Some of you are predicting a bad game because McNabb is hurt, yet he has practiced fully this week and appears crisp and ready to go. Some of you are saying he has no one to throw to, but I see at least 4 capable pass catchers in Moss, Cooley, Fred Davis and Portis. Some of you say McNabb's time as a top QB are over because he's old, not on Philly's offense, but Washington didnt sign an all-pro to run the ball 50 times a game with LJ and Portis; and he's only 33, not 40.
McNabb is a warrior and knows how to win. If the Skins are down, Shanny knows McNabb can sling it. Three total TD's is optomistic obviously, but that's why this is an "I told you so" thread.
McNabb is a warrior and knows how to win. If the Skins are down, Shanny knows McNabb can sling it. Three total TD's is optomistic obviously, but that's why this is an "I told you so" thread.
I personally think the coach he has now can scheme better than almost anyone. He will find a way to make the talent work on that team.
I wouldnt expect huge numbers because Shanny likes more of a run-Pass mix, but McNabb will be fine. I have him as my 12th rated QB on the board and I think this is reasonable.
I just wouldnt start him against the toughest defenses.
I wouldnt expect huge numbers because Shanny likes more of a run-Pass mix, but McNabb will be fine. I have him as my 12th rated QB on the board and I think this is reasonable.
I just wouldnt start him against the toughest defenses.
CaptainHook
Footballguy
would any redskins fans or anyone high on mcnabb mind posting what they project the WRs to do this year? Because other than moss who i envision getting 900 or so yards I cant see any of these guys going over like 500 yards
thehornet
Footballguy
classic preseason statement. how many yards do you think mcnabb will throw for?
billyjohnson
Footballguy
thehornet said:
CaptainHook
Footballguy
if i had to project it -- i dont really know much about the redskins but;
moss 900
cooley 700
davis 300
galloway/armstrong/roydell/thomas 1000 combined
and another 500 to the RBs
so 3400 ?
moss 900
cooley 700
davis 300
galloway/armstrong/roydell/thomas 1000 combined
and another 500 to the RBs
so 3400 ?
CaptainHook
Footballguy
and i asked the question not to #### on the redskins receivers but because i could really use a WR and there seems to be a pretty huge opportunity here at WR2 or even WR1 if this offense actually manages to click.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
thehornet said:
They return a pro bowl nose tackle, pass rushing linebacker and 2 pro bowl corners. They appear to have everyone healthy for this game. What exactly is looking like trash?Their performance in the preseason? How long exactly have you been watching pro football? The preseason is the primary indicator?
You think they were showing anything at all in that game against Houston whom they play week 3 regular season?
Having said all of this, Dallas does tend to start slow defensively and they will be a bit unfamiliar with this new look Redskins offense. McNabb has lit them up early before.
But trash? C'mon man.
dgreen
Footballguy
IMO, leading receivers will be, in order: Moss, Cooley, Davis, and Portis. So, for WRs, I don't see anyone other than Moss going over 500. I have Galloway and Armstrong in the 30-35 reception range. That could push Galloway over 500 since I think he'll be a deep target. Armstrong more in the 400-450 yard range.
thehornet
Footballguy
not sure what you want here? the team has look like trash so far. i didnt say they were a trash team. i've been watching football a longtime and see some problems right now. deal with it.
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McNabb was certainly decent enough in Philly in the years he didn't have top notch receivers. Of course, he was younger then and ran a lot more.
But Shanahan Sr. has turned a couple of nobodies into all pros before. It's not like Shannon Sharpe or Rod Smith were highly regarded studs, yet they had great year after great year for Shanny.
And Shanahan Jr. has built a solid passing game reputation. So there are some positives.
However, the Dallas pass rush is probably the worst fit for the Skins. The o-line is very suspect, and no QB looks good when they are running for their life. So there's reason for optimism on both sides.
I think Cooley might get the most catches and TDs for the Skins this year. If I owned one Skins receiver, it'd be him.
First games are tricky. But I suspect McNabb will look all right, at least.
21-36, 2 TDs, 2 INT. 282 yards. 3 sacks by Dallas.
Dallas wins 27-24.
But Shanahan Sr. has turned a couple of nobodies into all pros before. It's not like Shannon Sharpe or Rod Smith were highly regarded studs, yet they had great year after great year for Shanny.
And Shanahan Jr. has built a solid passing game reputation. So there are some positives.
However, the Dallas pass rush is probably the worst fit for the Skins. The o-line is very suspect, and no QB looks good when they are running for their life. So there's reason for optimism on both sides.
I think Cooley might get the most catches and TDs for the Skins this year. If I owned one Skins receiver, it'd be him.
First games are tricky. But I suspect McNabb will look all right, at least.
21-36, 2 TDs, 2 INT. 282 yards. 3 sacks by Dallas.
Dallas wins 27-24.
simmonjm
Footballguy
Who do you envision winning these matchups?Ware vs Rookie LT Trent Williamsnot sure what you want here? the team has look like trash so far. i didnt say they were a trash team. i've been watching football a longtime and see some problems right now. deal with it.thehornet said:
Their performance in the preseason? How long exactly have you been watching pro football? The preseason is the primary indicator?
You think they were showing anything at all in that game against Houston whom they play week 3 regular season?
Having said all of this, Dallas does tend to start slow defensively and they will be a bit unfamiliar with this new look Redskins offense. McNabb has lit them up early before.
But trash? C'mon man.
Spencer vs Jamal Brown (who hasnt played in a long time)
Ratliff vs C. Rabach
M. Jenkins vs J Galloway
thehornet
Footballguy
warespencerWho do you envision winning these matchups?Ware vs Rookie LT Trent Williamsnot sure what you want here? the team has look like trash so far. i didnt say they were a trash team. i've been watching football a longtime and see some problems right now. deal with it.thehornet said:They return a pro bowl nose tackle, pass rushing linebacker and 2 pro bowl corners. They appear to have everyone healthy for this game. What exactly is looking like trash?
Their performance in the preseason? How long exactly have you been watching pro football? The preseason is the primary indicator?
You think they were showing anything at all in that game against Houston whom they play week 3 regular season?
Having said all of this, Dallas does tend to start slow defensively and they will be a bit unfamiliar with this new look Redskins offense. McNabb has lit them up early before.
But trash? C'mon man.
Spencer vs Jamal Brown (who hasnt played in a long time)
Ratliff vs C. Rabach
M. Jenkins vs J Galloway
ratliff
jenkins
good thing it's a team game and mismatches can be created anywhere on the filed with the right strategy and opportunity. Shannahan knows how to exploit holes and he is a far better coach than the fatboy on dallas's sideline.
Dismattle
Footballguy
I cant trully say Im a fan, but Devin Thomas probably hits 500. Ive read the coach is moving him in slow (maybe just rtns this 1st game) for refernce in one of the 4th qtr leads that was lost games Thomas had 100 yds vs. the Saints last season... The only knock on McNabb is he doesnt throw if the WR is not open (not counting Inj. risk) The Washington-Dallas game is a rivalry game. I would almost be more worried about Dallas line (Romo's arm) and guys like B. Orkapo...I kinda hope the game comes down to the Coaches (my eyes Coach is 3 points) The Skins may not have have that 3 points, but odds is up from last season period. Wk 15 lets pull this post back up!
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
McNabb on a bad ankle after missing hiw many weeks against a team that hammered him not to long ago when he had better weapons......
13-25 220- 1 TD-2 INT and either hurt or sacked 6-7 times.
13-25 220- 1 TD-2 INT and either hurt or sacked 6-7 times.
simmonjm
Footballguy
Your absolutely right football is a team game so if Ware or Spencer beats their blocker and sacks McNabb even though Moss may have beat Newman it does not matter. Also something to consider is the fact that Washington may have to keep Cooley in as a blocker thus limiting one of their better recieving options, and the TE (Davis) cant block to save his life.
thehornet
Footballguy
i didnt say washington was a better team. i am going out on a limb and saying mcnabb surprises and has a good week.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
I would roll the dice on McNabb on this argument..if it weren't for the uncertainty of the ankle.
dgreen
Footballguy
Who's uncertain about the ankle? Shanahan has sounded pretty certain this week that McNabb is fine.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
I'm uncertain.
I would not expect Shanahan or McNabb to sound anything less than certain he is 100% regardless of how fine it really is.
dgreen
Footballguy
In addition to coach and player quotes, I've heard or read no reports indicating that McNabb is limping or anything. It's been about three weeks since he sprained his ankle. I'm assuming he's fine.I'm uncertain.I would not expect Shanahan or McNabb to sound anything less than certain he is 100% regardless of how fine it really is.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Thanks for complicating things for me.In addition to coach and player quotes, I've heard or read no reports indicating that McNabb is limping or anything. It's been about three weeks since he sprained his ankle. I'm assuming he's fine.
(Ironically my other QB is Kolb) Does a high ankle sprain really heal that quickly?
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Lets see Romo or McNabb. No McNabbis staying on my Bench. Thanks for the heads up though.
dgreen
Footballguy
100%? Probably not. But, he's not a runner anymore, so I really don't think he needs it to be 100%. I'm assuming he'll be able to plant, step into throws, and move around some. I think he can do enough that I don't believe his numbers will be affected by his ankle.Thanks for complicating things for me.In addition to coach and player quotes, I've heard or read no reports indicating that McNabb is limping or anything. It's been about three weeks since he sprained his ankle. I'm assuming he's fine.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Mcnabb said this a couple days ago:Thanks for complicating things for me.(Ironically my other QB is Kolb) Does a high ankle sprain really heal that quickly?
