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I started a redraft league last year to create the fairest level of play on all situations, while rewarding the best teams throughout the year:Combination of head to head wins, plus victory point scoring (points awarded by the total points you score each week).
This is good stuff, and all items that I forgot to add to the constitution/bylaws. Thanks...
The standings will be directly decided by all-play record, which basically means that every team plays every other team, every single week. That way consistency is rewarded and it minimizes luck...even more than the format you mentioned above (which I do like, however). We will also have no playoff system. I like auctions, but it is too hard to get everyone in one place, we like the traditional draft format, and the draft is taking place over a period of a few months online. That way no one will be rushed, there will be plenty of time for trades, and it is really the only feasible method of having a 30 round draft. Since our rosters will be so big, we are planning on just having FA be first come, first serve, but I do think it is better to just have the silent auction format.
So a guy announces his retirement and can't try to improve his team to win money in the final year? I understand the rule to prevent a guy from gutting his team...but what kind of final year is that? His players can't be acquired, he can't make trades, he's kind of on an island. Is that kind of team really great for the league to have?
The idea behind a dynasty league is that you're in it for the long haul. If you absolutely need to quit/retire than there are consequences...this is the consequence of that. It would be much worse for a team to be gutted of all of it's future valuable commodoties (any young promising player, all future draft picks) for this quitting owner to make one last run and than once he's gone the team is so void of any future talent/value that no new owner is willing to take the team over.
Anybody contemplating their escape plan for when they quit should not be joining a dynasty league in the first place. Defeats the entire purpose of a dynasty league if owners know they plan on quitting anyways and only will join a league if it's easy for them to bail at any time without any consequences whatsoever.I do a thourough checking of prospective owners for my leagues with questions, etc. to get a feel for how they are. Anybody questioning/disagreeing with the rules of what happens when they want to quit is immediately out of consideration....tells me they aren't in it for the right reasons.
But why would you assume that someone who wasn't okay with that rule is "contemplating their escape plan"? I have a home dynasty league that I've been a part of entering it's 13th year. I'll never leave that league. We have a rule in place that if someone quits the league then all of their offseason trades are vioded, but I just don't see the point of handcuffing an owner from trades an entire season before retirement and we've never had any issues at all. That's just my own experiences. It's worked out very well for us so far - to each his own. I can totally see why you'd have this rule if you've ever been burned by an owner leaving on bad terms before.
I think this is the only way to go, but there has to be a way to prevent someone from selling out for one year without a rule such as this. If someone really wanted out and announced it with this much notice, then possibly trading could be frozen until the new owner took over.
No offense meant to you whatsoever so please don't take it as such. Just my experience that there needs to be some sort of "penalty" for quitting a dynasty league or it is doomed to eventually fail and fold. A home dynasty league of friends and one that is compiled through the net (like the ones I am in) are completely different animals. These are the terms that I've setup for my leagues so just posting them here. Are they perfect for everyone...probably not. But, has worked well for ours so far so just sharing some ideas for consideration to Jedimaster.
Harsh indeed, but I agree with you.
Thanks for the great ideas. I changed the rules you posted slightly to fit the mold I was looking for...5.) Entry Fees/Deposits/Disbandment• Entry fees are paid one full season in advance. The initial fee will be both 2008 and 2009 fees combined. After that one initial double payment, all further years will be just the following year’s fees only (for example, in 2009 you will be paying the 2010 fees, etc.) Every owner will be responsible for paying the fee for the future year at every rookie draft. Failure to pay will result in a forfeit of all draft picks until payment is made. • Not meeting a payment deadline will signify retirement or is grounds for expulsion by the treasurer under unsportsmanlike conduct, although that would be the last resort. The treasurer will provide proof to the commissioner of their payment(s) and/or the financial status of the league upon asking. The commissioner has the power to expel the treasurer for non-payment. Only current legal tender from the United States will be accepted. If the league ever disbands, any unearned money will be returned.6.) Retirement/Quitting/New Owners• An owner can retire in good standing, and if he does he is entitled to his future dues. Retirement must be announced immediately following the season, and a replacement owner must be found ASAP. Once a retirement is announced, until a replacement owner is found, the retiring owner is not allowed to make any trades (players and/or picks) before new ownership takes over. • Owners who quit on the league unexpectedly will not receive a refund. The moneys paid in advance for that team will be used towards a new incoming owner’s fees to help in finding a replacement owner on short notice. • New owners taking over a vacated team must, upon induction, pay balance due of present/upcoming season’s entry fee (dependent on if previous owner retired or quit), and also pay following season’s entry fee in full (entry fees are paid one full season in advance).
I understand what you're saying, and I'm sure it works for you. But I think you hurt a league with that kind of rule. One guy is half playing, half not. There might be a player on his team and he'd be willing to trade them-- not in a firesale, but for players he wants-- and he can't do it. So a good number of players are off limits to everyone. I think that hurts a league and it's kind of like 11 owners and one mannequin.The way we've always played it is, if you want to quit after next year...you've already quit. This isn't a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar farewell tour. We'll just try to find another owner who wants to play "for the long haul."
I totally respect your position, and you should do whatever works for your league. But I kind of see it the other way. If I'm a new owner looking at a league, and they have all these rules in place to govern everything in the world, that's a red flag for me. I'm worried that we have a bunch of rules-lawyers and anal-retentive owners who make a side game out of controlling every aspect of what we can do. I'm worried that they have so many tools in the league that they need all these rules to keep everyone in line-- like people don't know how to act. For me personally, the best leagues are the ones with fewer rules and better owners, who know how to play and not make a separate game out of bending the rules. In other words, don't pick owners who would gut their team if they couldn't play in the future. I know that's an idealist position, but if you build it that way with a dozen solid owners, you don't need to try and cover every base. You can't ever do it, anyway.
Lets be perfectly honest here...a quitting owner more often than not is quitting becaue their team sucks. If they have a good team most will find a way to continue playing.So, handtieing a team from making a team worse for the future is the only logical thing to do in my opinion. The odds of a retiring owner having a good enough team to compete and win money in their final season is usually not happening anyways so allowing them to have firesales and make one last run cuz they have no care about the future of their team is not fair to the league because they'd be making moves that they otherwise would not be making if they weren't quitting. And on top of that the moves they would be making (if allowed) would most likely be uneven even deals cuz why would they care? (example: getting Brett Favre, giving an '08 first round pick type of deals).
From what I've seen, if a guy is going to quit and has a good team, he'll go ahead and pay for the next year if he needs to make moves to win now. We had a team quit after paying for the next year, traded his picks (for decent value FWIW), and left. We pretty much knew he was going to leave, but he was a great owner and the trades were pretty decent, even from a 2-3 year horizon viewpoint. He ended up losing in the Super Bowl, walked away with $, and his replacement rode a free team to the playoffs the next year (and won $).
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If that's the case, then the league is already in a deficit because owners were poorly chosen. If the camaraderie and fun factor isn't enough to keep someone playing, the league is good only as long as they're competitive. That has to end sometime. Again, if a league is worried about squirrelly moves and poor management in the final year...I say eliminate the final year. Give the guy his money back and find another (better) owner.
Does anyone have an idea what I'm looking at time-wise for the initial auction? 30 days maybe? Trying to determine if we should begin in May, June or July next year.
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