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ESPN News now has Tomlin as the new Steeler coach in their breaking news caption (after the denial reports), so it appears Tomlin is the new HC of the Steelers. I think the Steelers made a decision on Tomlin and it got leaked somehow before they could notify other candidates like Grimm and maybe even Tomlin.

Anyway, I'm pretty happy with the hire. I was originally unimpressed with Tomlin, but upon further review of him and the Vikes D last year I think they made a good hire. For anyone who is skeptical of Tomlin, I suggest you follow this link to a Vikings message BB. I'd say 95% are very disappointed to see Tomlin go and some wish Tomlin would replace Childress as HC of the Vikes.

 
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I'm a fan of Tomlin, but part of me wonders will he change too much? Troy Polamalu is IMO the best safety in the game and plays a huge part on our defense, changes what opposing offenses do and all that.. will he still make such a big impact in Tomlin's defense? Polamalu's only weakness is that he can occassionally lack great coverage skills, and in a cover 2 scheme he may not be very effective. Personally, I think we need Polamalu's influence on the defensive side because I believe without him as the wild card, the defense' play will suffer a let down because Troy's influence hides the flaws of some of our other players.
Tomlin is a member of the Dungy family tree....Bob Sanders and John Lynch come to mind as 2 safeties that thrived in that defensive scheme (if and when the Steelers adopt it, I think it would take a year or 2 and maybe just a hybrid like NE)
 
I must admit, both my limited knowledge of Tomlin and my desire to see an "in-house" hire, had me pulling for Grimm, but I am pretty happy witht his (if it is true THIS time :D ).

After seeing his "post interview" conference, Tomlin really just impressed the hell out of me. The way he handled the questions with a style that was both confidence and happiness.

This Steeler fan is happy.

..... For now.

:lmao:

 
I must admit, both my limited knowledge of Tomlin and my desire to see an "in-house" hire, had me pulling for Grimm, but I am pretty happy witht his (if it is true THIS time :lmao: ).After seeing his "post interview" conference, Tomlin really just impressed the hell out of me. The way he handled the questions with a style that was both confidence and happiness.This Steeler fan is happy...... For now. :mellow:
anyone have a link to where I can watch that interview?
 
I must admit, both my limited knowledge of Tomlin and my desire to see an "in-house" hire, had me pulling for Grimm, but I am pretty happy witht his (if it is true THIS time :yes: ).

After seeing his "post interview" conference, Tomlin really just impressed the hell out of me. The way he handled the questions with a style that was both confidence and happiness.

This Steeler fan is happy.

..... For now.

:pickle:
anyone have a link to where I can watch that interview?
Here are uncut videos of both Grimm and Tomlin:Grimm: http://kdka.com/video/?id=23913@kdka.dayport.com

Tomlin: http://www.wpxi.com/video/index.html# (click on sports then Tomlin's uncut video)

 
I must admit, both my limited knowledge of Tomlin and my desire to see an "in-house" hire, had me pulling for Grimm, but I am pretty happy witht his (if it is true THIS time :yes: ).

After seeing his "post interview" conference, Tomlin really just impressed the hell out of me. The way he handled the questions with a style that was both confidence and happiness.

This Steeler fan is happy.

..... For now.

:pickle:
anyone have a link to where I can watch that interview?
Here are uncut videos of both Grimm and Tomlin:Grimm: http://kdka.com/video/?id=23913@kdka.dayport.com

Tomlin: http://www.wpxi.com/video/index.html# (click on sports then Tomlin's uncut video)
any idea on what coaching staff he'll put in place, i.e, Off. Coordinator...?wondering what the offense might look like, power run game, or more passing..

 
I must admit, both my limited knowledge of Tomlin and my desire to see an "in-house" hire, had me pulling for Grimm, but I am pretty happy witht his (if it is true THIS time :lmao: ).

After seeing his "post interview" conference, Tomlin really just impressed the hell out of me. The way he handled the questions with a style that was both confidence and happiness.

This Steeler fan is happy.

..... For now.

:lmao:
anyone have a link to where I can watch that interview?
Here are uncut videos of both Grimm and Tomlin:Grimm: http://kdka.com/video/?id=23913@kdka.dayport.com

Tomlin: http://www.wpxi.com/video/index.html# (click on sports then Tomlin's uncut video)
any idea on what coaching staff he'll put in place, i.e, Off. Coordinator...?wondering what the offense might look like, power run game, or more passing..
In his interview I believe he stated that winning football means stopping the run and running the ball well. Sounds like it'll be much of the same, but possibly achieved in different ways.Guess we'll have to see what the staff looks like..assuming he is the HC. The fact that they wouldn't allow the Cards to talk to Arians seems to mean he might be in line for the OC job. I figure there won't be too many changes in the coaching staff.

 
The Tribune is saying its Grimm, not Tomlin. Interesting night in the Burgh...

Source: Steelers pick Grimm

By Mike Prisuta

TRIBUNE-REVIEW

Sunday, January 21, 2007

Russ Grimm has been offered and has accepted the Steelers' head coaching position, a source in Pittsburgh confirmed late Saturday.

Grimm, 47, succeeds Bill Cowher, who coached the Steelers for 15 seasons before resigning Jan. 5. The hiring of Grimm will be announced Monday at a news conference.

ESPN and SI.com, Sports Illustrated's Web site, reported yesterday that Minnesota Vikings defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin had been chosen to replace Cowher.

An NFL source confirmed yesterday that Tomlin had not heard from the Steelers and no contract negotiations had taken place.

Grimm, a native of Scottdale, Westmoreland County, and a Pitt product, has been the Steelers' offensive line coach since 2001 and the team's assistant head coach since 2004. He played 11 seasons as a guard and center for the Washington Redskins from 1981-91 and is among 17 finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame's class of 2007.

Grimm began his coaching career as the Redskins' tight ends coach. He switched to offensive line coach for Washington in 1997.

Grimm was one of three finalists to replace Cowher, along with Tomlin and Chicago Bears defensive coordinator Ron Rivera. Tomlin and Grimm had second interviews with the Steelers last week.

The Steelers would have had to wait until the Bears' season is completed to interview Rivera a second time. Chicago hosts New Orleans today in the NFC Championship Game.

Ken Whisenhunt, the Steelers' offensive coordinator last season, and Georgia Tech coach Chan Gailey, a former Steelers assistant, also interviewed for the position.

Whisenhunt since has become the head coach of the Arizona Cardinals.

The elevation of Grimm to his first head-coaching job figures to be welcomed by the Steelers' players.

Even before Cowher officially stepped down, a consensus had formed among the players that they preferred the Steelers stay in-house when the team hired its next head coach.

Grimm's ties to the area extend far beyond the six years he has been with the Steelers.

He starred at Southmoreland High School and then developed into an All-American center while at Pitt.

A third-round pick of the Redskins in 1981, Grimm became a member of the vaunted "Hogs" offensive line that proved to be a driving force behind a team that won three Super Bowls and played in four of them during his playing career.

Grimm, who retired after the 1991 season, played in four consecutive Pro Bowls (1983-86). He got into coaching after retiring and has worked under one Hall of Fame Coach (Joe Gibbs in Washington) and another (Cowher) who will likely be enshrined in Canton one day.

Grimm inherits a team that is less than a year removed from winning the Super Bowl but faltered last season.

The Steelers lost six of their first eight games and finished 8-8. They were physically dominated in a pair of losses to AFC North archrival Baltimore and did not get a chance to defend their Super Bowl title.

In addition to Cowher and Whisenhunt, the Steelers have lost running backs coach **** Hoak (retired) and special teams coach Kevin Spencer (special teams, Arizona) from last year's staff.

Wide receivers coach Bruce Arians has said he believed his chances of becoming Steelers offensive coordinator were very good in the event Grimm became the head coach.

Mike Prisuta can be reached at mprisuta@tribweb.com.

 
Do you think Tomlin and Grimm know the truth or they as confused as we are? I expect a morning presser to at least clear the air for everyone involved.

 
Prisuta is usually pretty good...this is getting interesting! Wonder who the head coach will be when I wake up tomorrow...please God not Dave Wannstedt.

 
This is great, someone better tell Pasquarelli that Grimm is now the guy!

Updated: Jan. 21, 2007, 12:05 AM ET

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2737739

Tomlin hiring could bring sweeping defensive changes

By Len Pasquarelli

ESPN.com

For a city that does not reconcile change very well at all, where neighborhoods and people seem frozen in time, Pittsburgh might be about to undergo a dramatic metamorphosis.

Well, at least its football team is, it seems.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen confirmed on Saturday night that Minnesota Vikings defensive coordinator Mike Tomlin is the choice of Steelers management to succeed Bill Cowher as coach. If that is the case, the team faces a period of adjustment and alteration. No less an authority than Pittsburgh owner Dan Rooney, who is hiring only a third different sideline boss since 1969, knows the implication of making a change.

"When you change coaches, you're always starting over again," Rooney said in the days leading up to Super Bowl XL, when he was asked about his family's unparalleled patience with coaches.

The Steelers, a talented team that could rebound quickly in 2007 from a rare 2006 campaign that did not include a playoff berth, might not be completely starting over with Tomlin, who has been in the NFL only since 2001. But his schematic preferences seem so at odds with what has transpired in Pittsburgh for more than 20 years now, that there can't help but be some degree of makeover.

Changing coaches isn't all about "fit" anymore, and there are some areas in which Tomlin appears the square peg moving into a round hole environment.

Most notable is on the defensive side of the ball, where the Steelers have deployed a 3-4 front since 1983, when Chuck Noll scrapped the 4-3 scheme that brought Pittsburgh four Super Bowl titles in six seasons. For years, the Pittsburgh scouts have unearthed 3-4 players -- undersized college defensive ends who could transition to linebacker, tackles who could move outside and play end, and cornerbacks who were strong in run support -- to fit their scheme.

Tomlin, though, is a disciple of the "cover two" scheme, a 4-3 front that he learned in Tampa Bay under former Bucs coach Tony Dungy and coordinator Monte Kiffin, and which he implemented in Minnesota this season when he was hired as coordinator. In an interview with the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette this week, Tomlin suggested he won't be tied down to one defense.

"I'm a fundamentalist as opposed to scheme," Tomlin said. "I think football is a tough man's game, an attrition game. You win by stopping the run and being able to run the ball effectively. And by doing the things winners do."

Yet given his affinity for the "cover two" scheme, there is little question Tomlin will want to convert to a 4-3 front as quickly as possible. The bigger question: Does Pittsburgh possess the appropriate personnel for such a switch?

Since he has never been a head coach before, it's difficult to guess about Tomlin's philosophies on the offensive side of the ball, other than the fact he believes in a strong running game.

The other area that could change is with the Pittsburgh staff, where all the assistants are under contract, and likely would have stayed had assistant head coach Russ Grimm landed the top job. Only three coaches from the Cowher staff have departed. Offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt left to become head coach of the Arizona Cardinals, longtime running backs assistant **** Hoak retired, and special teams coach Kevin Spencer joined Whisenhunt's staff.

Tomlin is certain to have his own ideas on staffing, and while he could retain some of the current assistants, there could also be a mass exodus. Can Grimm, for instance, stay on staff, after being passed over for the head coach post? With Whisenhunt gone, can Pittsburgh afford to lose Mark Whipple, the talented quarterbacks coach who has helped develop Ben Roethlisberger?

Right now, it appears, there are a lot of questions.

That said, the teams that interviewed Tomlin came away believing he's an answer man. He was, they said, thorough, detailed and articulate. And the past few days, there was certainly a quiet sense that he, not Grimm, was the guy with momentum as the Steelers wound down their search for Cowher's successor.

Some doubters will point to the fact he is only 34. But that's precisely the same age at which the Steelers hired Cowher.

A more significant chronological number is that the Steelers are less than one year removed from their Super Bowl XL victory, and there's been a considerable amount of change in a short period of time. It's a foreign concept to longtime 'Burghers, this whole concept of change, and Tomlin is going to have to get quick results to earn the trust of the locals.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.
 
GordonGekko said:
This is not going to look good for the Steelers if Grimm gets the job. Dan Rooney basically held a gun to the heads of every owner in the league with a 200K bullet in it and said you have to give black coaches a chance. Now if the Steelers pull the rug out from under Tomlin, what message are they sending? Do as I say and not as I do?
I think your anger is a little misplaced. First of all, The Rooneys should be praised for spearheading such a rule (alnog with a few other owners), and not condemned in anyway for it. Secondly, If Grimm gets the job, it will be because they "feel" he is the best choice.
GordonGekko said:
No matter how this plays out, some people in the league and in the press are going to say Tomlin was a sham interview and was never going to get the job anyway. Doesn't matter how much the Steelers tried to do this right. They are going to point out the Rooney Rule originated from Dan Rooney and now they aren't even going to give an African American coach a chance at the top spot.
Then those people are fools.The "Rooney Rule", as you call it, says that Head Coaching interviews must be offered/given to at least one minority. They did that. BUT, more importantly, If they were just "filling the requirement", why would they have Tomlin in for a second (6 hour) interview? The Steelers organization is doing it's best to fill the head coaching position with the best guy, they feel, for the job. If they choose to hire Grimm, THAT will be the reason. IF they choose to hire Tomlin, THAT will be the reason. Any negative statements about the Steelers not hiring Tomlin, due to him being black, is just crazy.
GordonGekko said:
If I was a fellow NFL franchise owner, and Grimm gets the job, I would be absolutely furious. Because if I have to fill a head coaching slot, I'll have to take triple the public and media scrutiny now while I beg to get Mike Singletary to come in for a by the numbers interview before I hire who I really want to hire.
Ummmm, wow, I have nothing to say about this part.Oh wait ... yeah I do :goodposting: You can't be serious about that, can you? Are you saying that other owners will be mad because ... wait a minute ... why? Because nothing will have changed, and they still have to interview minorities?
GordonGekko said:
The Steelers are such a class organization. It baffles me how they could have screwed the entire league and themselves like this.
Screwing themselves, by hiring the coach they feel better about? Oh yeah, they screwed the league.Again, I was pleased with Tomlins press conference. I would be more than happy IF he is chosen, but IF he is not, it should not come down to a race issue. (A 6 hour second interview ... that shows high interest, to me)EDIT:Just wanted to add this ...In summation, you are saying that, because the Rooneys help install this rule of interviewing minorities (which we all should be happy about), they should be forced to hire Tomlin, JUST because he is black? Or did I misread your meaning?Just my Onion.Peace
 
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GordonGekko said:
This is not going to look good for the Steelers if Grimm gets the job. Dan Rooney basically held a gun to the heads of every owner in the league with a 200K bullet in it and said you have to give black coaches a chance. Now if the Steelers pull the rug out from under Tomlin, what message are they sending? Do as I say and not as I do? Which is why I felt if the Rooney Rule had to originate from somewhere, it should have never come out of Pittsburgh. The Steelers, along with the old Cowboys and Dolphins, have had unparalleled success with their head coaching hires. They just haven't suffered as bad as other teams in the league. Now that's a credit to them, but it also means they might be out of touch with the complications of multiple coaching transitions in a short period of time. No matter how this plays out, some people in the league and in the press are going to say Tomlin was a sham interview and was never going to get the job anyway. Doesn't matter how much the Steelers tried to do this right. They are going to point out the Rooney Rule originated from Dan Rooney and now they aren't even going to give an African American coach a chance at the top spot. If I was a fellow NFL franchise owner, and Grimm gets the job, I would be absolutely furious. Because if I have to fill a head coaching slot, I'll have to take triple the public and media scrutiny now while I beg to get Mike Singletary to come in for a by the numbers interview before I hire who I really want to hire. The Steelers are such a class organization. It baffles me how they could have screwed the entire league and themselves like this.
This is crazy talk. The Steelers have not pulled the rug out from under Tomlin. It's just that every website wants to be the one to "break" the news. Probably just got a tip and went with it. The Steelers don't have to decide until they give their press release. Could it posibly be that they WANTED Grimm over Tomlin. I mean, Tomlin only has one year of being a DC in the NFL under his belt. I hope it's Grimm. He has the ties to Pittsburgh. I still doubt that they will decide until AFTER the Bears game today to see if they can interview Rivera.
 
GordonGekko said:
This is not going to look good for the Steelers if Grimm gets the job. Dan Rooney basically held a gun to the heads of every owner in the league with a 200K bullet in it and said you have to give black coaches a chance. Now if the Steelers pull the rug out from under Tomlin, what message are they sending? Do as I say and not as I do? Which is why I felt if the Rooney Rule had to originate from somewhere, it should have never come out of Pittsburgh. The Steelers, along with the old Cowboys and Dolphins, have had unparalleled success with their head coaching hires. They just haven't suffered as bad as other teams in the league. Now that's a credit to them, but it also means they might be out of touch with the complications of multiple coaching transitions in a short period of time. No matter how this plays out, some people in the league and in the press are going to say Tomlin was a sham interview and was never going to get the job anyway. Doesn't matter how much the Steelers tried to do this right. They are going to point out the Rooney Rule originated from Dan Rooney and now they aren't even going to give an African American coach a chance at the top spot. If I was a fellow NFL franchise owner, and Grimm gets the job, I would be absolutely furious. Because if I have to fill a head coaching slot, I'll have to take triple the public and media scrutiny now while I beg to get Mike Singletary to come in for a by the numbers interview before I hire who I really want to hire. The Steelers are such a class organization. It baffles me how they could have screwed the entire league and themselves like this.
Ok, now I'm convinced that this is a BGP alias. This is not going to look good for the Steelers? Please! They brought in a guy and gave him serious consideration including a second interview. The "news" that Tomlin had the job was an unsubstantiated rumor and nothing more. It was always felt by many here and many within the media that the Steelers would promote from within. The only one this going to look bad on if Tomlin doesn't get the job is SI and that rat ******* that reported the rumor.
 
Grimm or Tomlin... Well, the only thing that we learned from yesterday is that an announcement may come on Monday, with or without an interview with Rivera. And who knows... If the Bears lose then the Steelers may want to interview Rivera.

What a mess. Now, ESPN.com has backed of of claiming Tomlin as the HC. Last night on SportsCenter, they claimed Tomlin won Florida and that he was the next president of the United States. Now the Tribune Review declares Grimm the winner of Florida! What a mess.

Here is a statement from steelers.com:

Statement from Steelers Spokesperson Dave Lockett

At this point and time, the Steelers have not concluded a contract agreement with a new head coach, nor do we expect to do so today. There will be no other announcements from this office today.

Enjoy Championship Sunday!

 
Sounds like the two trial balloons have crashed into each other. I think the best thing that could happen for the Steelers is if the Saints beat the Bears today so that we can schedule an interview with Rivera (if he'll agree to sit for one after the last 18 hours). That way the organization can throw cold water on this whole thing until after the Rivera interview.

 
Grimm or Tomlin... Well, the only thing that we learned from yesterday is that an announcement may come on Monday, with or without an interview with Rivera. And who knows... If the Bears lose then the Steelers may want to interview Rivera.

What a mess. Now, ESPN.com has backed of of claiming Tomlin as the HC. Last night on SportsCenter, they claimed Tomlin won Florida and that he was the next president of the United States. Now the Tribune Review declares Grimm the winner of Florida! What a mess.

Here is a statement from steelers.com:

Statement from Steelers Spokesperson Dave Lockett

At this point and time, the Steelers have not concluded a contract agreement with a new head coach, nor do we expect to do so today. There will be no other announcements from this office today.

Enjoy Championship Sunday!
Actually, ESPN still has the Tomlin hire on their bottomline ticker.
 
Both ESPN and SI are sticking by their stories...

This is from the article on the ESPN.com home page"

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review is reporting that Grimm will be hired as the Steelers' new coach, but ESPN is sticking by its reporting that Tomlin will succeed Cowher.

And KDKA interviewed Silver (SI reporter) last night and he pretty much said the same thing... that he his sticking to his story.

 
Jesus. I've been out of the loop since yesterday afternoon in an Old Crow-induced haze, and reading this thread is like a roller coaster.

As much as I like Tomlin and think that by passing on him, they could be whiffing on a guy who could someday be a great coach, I still want Grimm. I'm not sure why some Steeler fans don't want him. For details I've described above, I think it would be the smoothest transition. If this was a Steeler team that sucked or had a dearth of talent, I'd want the shake-up. However, with the talent they have in palce, they could be a contender again next year, and for the next several. I think grimm can get them back to where they need to be more quickly than a guy who's likely to shake up the staff, the defensive scheme, etc. In order for Tomlin to be as effective as we hope he can be, he'll need a couple of seasons to transition to his defense, get the personnel in place to run it, get the players to buy into his system, etc. We don't need that overhaul.

 
Jesus. I've been out of the loop since yesterday afternoon in an Old Crow-induced haze, and reading this thread is like a roller coaster.As much as I like Tomlin and think that by passing on him, they could be whiffing on a guy who could someday be a great coach, I still want Grimm. I'm not sure why some Steeler fans don't want him. For details I've described above, I think it would be the smoothest transition. If this was a Steeler team that sucked or had a dearth of talent, I'd want the shake-up. However, with the talent they have in palce, they could be a contender again next year, and for the next several. I think grimm can get them back to where they need to be more quickly than a guy who's likely to shake up the staff, the defensive scheme, etc. In order for Tomlin to be as effective as we hope he can be, he'll need a couple of seasons to transition to his defense, get the personnel in place to run it, get the players to buy into his system, etc. We don't need that overhaul.
Hiring Grimm would just be short term answer for continuity, whereas Tomlin is the best HC for long term success IMHO. Who's to say that Tomlin won't stick with LeBeau and the 3-4 defense? I'll be very disappointed if Grimm is the best the Steelers can do.
 
Jesus. I've been out of the loop since yesterday afternoon in an Old Crow-induced haze, and reading this thread is like a roller coaster.As much as I like Tomlin and think that by passing on him, they could be whiffing on a guy who could someday be a great coach, I still want Grimm. I'm not sure why some Steeler fans don't want him. For details I've described above, I think it would be the smoothest transition. If this was a Steeler team that sucked or had a dearth of talent, I'd want the shake-up. However, with the talent they have in palce, they could be a contender again next year, and for the next several. I think grimm can get them back to where they need to be more quickly than a guy who's likely to shake up the staff, the defensive scheme, etc. In order for Tomlin to be as effective as we hope he can be, he'll need a couple of seasons to transition to his defense, get the personnel in place to run it, get the players to buy into his system, etc. We don't need that overhaul.
Hiring Grimm would just be short term answer for continuity, whereas Tomlin is the best HC for long term success IMHO. Who's to say that Tomlin won't stick with LeBeau and the 3-4 defense? I'll be very disappointed if Grimm is the best the Steelers can do.
That's how I feel. Grimm might keep them in contention for a year or so with the same personnel. Then what? i see a slide starting in a couple of years if Grimm is in charge. But I certainly could be wrong. Hopefully I am.
 
I know PFT has been wrong on a lot of coaching predictions... But, they do have a good point:

STEELERS SAY NO ONE HAS BEEN HIRED

The Pittsburgh Steelers have added their two cents (which tend to be slightly more significant than others' two cents) regarding the question of whether they have hired a new head coach.

Said the team, in a release e-mailed to the media at 9:18 a.m. (and 10 seconds) EST: "At this point and time, the Steelers have not concluded a contract agreement with a new head coach, nor do we expect to do so today. There will be no other announcements from this office today." The statement also appears on the team's web site.

This tells us that the Steelers are more likely to hire Mike Tomlin than Russ Grimm. Why? Because the reports regarding Tomlin are merely that the Steelers have selected him, not that they have hired him. The report in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review is that Grimm has been offered, and has accepted, the position. And if the Steelers are telling the truth (and we have no reason to think they aren't), that's simply not the case.

Meanwhile, ESPN is sticking to its guns regarding the report that the Steelers have chosen Tomlin.

Though we think we're being objective in this regard, we acknowledge that we're rooting for Tomlin to get the job. A little. As one reader observed this morning, "Your recent love fest of with Tomlin reminds me of when Jerry Seinfeld and his girlfriend argued about who was Shmoopy." With that said, we still have a strong feeling that Tomlin is the guy, and that the reports linking Grimm to the job might represent a last-ditch effort by Grimm, his agent, or someone else with a vested interest in Grimm getting the gig to throw a wrench in the gears.

Regardless, the Steelers need to get this thing under control. Quickly. As in now. The interview process proceeded without a single leak, and now there are competing leaks regarding competing finalists. Standing silent through Sunday, in our view, isn't acceptable. To do so, frankly, is to risk being perceived by the league and the media as amateurs.

And it likewise will set up a situation in which the performance of the Steelers' ultimate selection will endlessly be compared to the record of the guy who doesn't get the job. So if a choice hasn't been made, there's now even more pressure on the team to make the right decision.

 
Jesus. I've been out of the loop since yesterday afternoon in an Old Crow-induced haze, and reading this thread is like a roller coaster.As much as I like Tomlin and think that by passing on him, they could be whiffing on a guy who could someday be a great coach, I still want Grimm. I'm not sure why some Steeler fans don't want him. For details I've described above, I think it would be the smoothest transition. If this was a Steeler team that sucked or had a dearth of talent, I'd want the shake-up. However, with the talent they have in palce, they could be a contender again next year, and for the next several. I think grimm can get them back to where they need to be more quickly than a guy who's likely to shake up the staff, the defensive scheme, etc. In order for Tomlin to be as effective as we hope he can be, he'll need a couple of seasons to transition to his defense, get the personnel in place to run it, get the players to buy into his system, etc. We don't need that overhaul.
Hiring Grimm would just be short term answer for continuity, whereas Tomlin is the best HC for long term success IMHO. Who's to say that Tomlin won't stick with LeBeau and the 3-4 defense? I'll be very disappointed if Grimm is the best the Steelers can do.
That's how I feel. Grimm might keep them in contention for a year or so with the same personnel. Then what? i see a slide starting in a couple of years if Grimm is in charge. But I certainly could be wrong. Hopefully I am.
I guess this is what I need some clarification on. Why do some fans seem to think a slide is inevitable under Grimm? He's a Pittsburgh guy who believes in all the tenets of Steeler football that have proven successful over the years. He's got a terrific football mind, the respect of the players, and studied for years at the knee of Cowher. Why do people think he's not a good fit?
 
I really think the steelers should look to their players for guidance on this one, and specifically their leaders. If I'm making this decision, Willie Parker is the first guy I talk to about this.

 
I really think the steelers should look to their players for guidance on this one, and specifically their leaders. If I'm making this decision, Willie Parker is the first guy I talk to about this.
I definitely think the players' collective voice should be heard, and that's one reason why I've supported Grimm.
 
Jesus. I've been out of the loop since yesterday afternoon in an Old Crow-induced haze, and reading this thread is like a roller coaster.As much as I like Tomlin and think that by passing on him, they could be whiffing on a guy who could someday be a great coach, I still want Grimm. I'm not sure why some Steeler fans don't want him. For details I've described above, I think it would be the smoothest transition. If this was a Steeler team that sucked or had a dearth of talent, I'd want the shake-up. However, with the talent they have in palce, they could be a contender again next year, and for the next several. I think grimm can get them back to where they need to be more quickly than a guy who's likely to shake up the staff, the defensive scheme, etc. In order for Tomlin to be as effective as we hope he can be, he'll need a couple of seasons to transition to his defense, get the personnel in place to run it, get the players to buy into his system, etc. We don't need that overhaul.
Hiring Grimm would just be short term answer for continuity, whereas Tomlin is the best HC for long term success IMHO. Who's to say that Tomlin won't stick with LeBeau and the 3-4 defense? I'll be very disappointed if Grimm is the best the Steelers can do.
That's how I feel. Grimm might keep them in contention for a year or so with the same personnel. Then what? i see a slide starting in a couple of years if Grimm is in charge. But I certainly could be wrong. Hopefully I am.
I guess this is what I need some clarification on. Why do some fans seem to think a slide is inevitable under Grimm? He's a Pittsburgh guy who believes in all the tenets of Steeler football that have proven successful over the years. He's got a terrific football mind, the respect of the players, and studied for years at the knee of Cowher. Why do people think he's not a good fit?
Maybe it's unfair of me to judge on one year, but the Steelers line has 3 1st rounders, a second rounder and a 3rd rounder. And they were horrible this year. One argument people make in favor of Grimm is he was responsible for halftime adjustments on offense. I don't see that as a plus for Grimm. They were 2-6 this year when trailing at halftime and lost 2 when they were leading at halftime.And now for the not so kind comment. Since PFT liked to call Cowher Coach Chin. How long before they refer to Grimm (if he's selected) as Coach Double Chin? :goodposting:
 
I really think the steelers should look to their players for guidance on this one, and specifically their leaders. If I'm making this decision, Willie Parker is the first guy I talk to about this.
I definitely think the players' collective voice should be heard, and that's one reason why I've supported Grimm.
I'd have to disagree with this... The players who are there today won't be there for the long run. They only have one viewpoint on this and it's Grimm's. They have no idea what Tomlin or Rivera is about. Let's say, for example, Joey Porter puts his opinion... He would have an alternative reasoning behind Grimm -- 3-4 vs. 4-3 and we all know what will happen to Joey in the 4-3.
 
Maybe it's unfair of me to judge on one year, but the Steelers line has 3 1st rounders, a second rounder and a 3rd rounder. And they were horrible this year. One argument people make in favor of Grimm is he was responsible for halftime adjustments on offense. I don't see that as a plus for Grimm. They were 2-6 this year when trailing at halftime and lost 2 when they were leading at halftime.

And now for the not so kind comment. Since PFT liked to call Cowher Coach Chin. How long before they refer to Grimm (if he's selected) as Coach Double Chin? :confused:
:goodposting: I thought the same exact thing... That goes against Grimm.
 
Jesus. I've been out of the loop since yesterday afternoon in an Old Crow-induced haze, and reading this thread is like a roller coaster.As much as I like Tomlin and think that by passing on him, they could be whiffing on a guy who could someday be a great coach, I still want Grimm. I'm not sure why some Steeler fans don't want him. For details I've described above, I think it would be the smoothest transition. If this was a Steeler team that sucked or had a dearth of talent, I'd want the shake-up. However, with the talent they have in palce, they could be a contender again next year, and for the next several. I think grimm can get them back to where they need to be more quickly than a guy who's likely to shake up the staff, the defensive scheme, etc. In order for Tomlin to be as effective as we hope he can be, he'll need a couple of seasons to transition to his defense, get the personnel in place to run it, get the players to buy into his system, etc. We don't need that overhaul.
Hiring Grimm would just be short term answer for continuity, whereas Tomlin is the best HC for long term success IMHO. Who's to say that Tomlin won't stick with LeBeau and the 3-4 defense? I'll be very disappointed if Grimm is the best the Steelers can do.
That's how I feel. Grimm might keep them in contention for a year or so with the same personnel. Then what? i see a slide starting in a couple of years if Grimm is in charge. But I certainly could be wrong. Hopefully I am.
I guess this is what I need some clarification on. Why do some fans seem to think a slide is inevitable under Grimm? He's a Pittsburgh guy who believes in all the tenets of Steeler football that have proven successful over the years. He's got a terrific football mind, the respect of the players, and studied for years at the knee of Cowher. Why do people think he's not a good fit?
Maybe it's unfair of me to judge on one year, but the Steelers line has 3 1st rounders, a second rounder and a 3rd rounder. And they were horrible this year. One argument people make in favor of Grimm is he was responsible for halftime adjustments on offense. I don't see that as a plus for Grimm. They were 2-6 this year when trailing at halftime and lost 2 when they were leading at halftime.And now for the not so kind comment. Since PFT liked to call Cowher Coach Chin. How long before they refer to Grimm (if he's selected) as Coach Double Chin? :goodposting:
The Steelers' line has struggled in pass blocking some this past year, but if you look at the overall success of the line in Grimm's tenure, the Steelers traditionally have been at or near the top of the heap virtually every season since he came on. They're always near the top in run blocking, and while some guys have been inconsistent in pass blocking, on the whole, they've been pretty good.
 
I really think the steelers should look to their players for guidance on this one, and specifically their leaders. If I'm making this decision, Willie Parker is the first guy I talk to about this.
I definitely think the players' collective voice should be heard, and that's one reason why I've supported Grimm.
I'd have to disagree with this... The players who are there today won't be there for the long run. They only have one viewpoint on this and it's Grimm's. They have no idea what Tomlin or Rivera is about. Let's say, for example, Joey Porter puts his opinion... He would have an alternative reasoning behind Grimm -- 3-4 vs. 4-3 and we all know what will happen to Joey in the 4-3.
I'm simply looking at it from the standpoint that you want a guy who can motivate the players and a guy for whom the players will run through a wall. Everything I've read/heard coming out of Pittsburgh indicates that Grimm is exactly that type of motivator. Tomlin may well be too, but we don't know that yet. With Grimm, we do know.Don't get me wrong, I won't be bummed if they go Tomlin. There are a lot of things I like about him, and if that's what they decide, I'm behind it 100%. I just see this as a team still within their window to win now, so I don't want drastic changes. If they were coming off back-to-back 7-9 seasons, I'd be singing a different tune.
 
If Tomlin is not hired and Chris Mortensen is proven wrong, which he often is, I will enjoy watching him spin the story so as to save face.

 
Jesus. I've been out of the loop since yesterday afternoon in an Old Crow-induced haze, and reading this thread is like a roller coaster.As much as I like Tomlin and think that by passing on him, they could be whiffing on a guy who could someday be a great coach, I still want Grimm. I'm not sure why some Steeler fans don't want him. For details I've described above, I think it would be the smoothest transition. If this was a Steeler team that sucked or had a dearth of talent, I'd want the shake-up. However, with the talent they have in palce, they could be a contender again next year, and for the next several. I think grimm can get them back to where they need to be more quickly than a guy who's likely to shake up the staff, the defensive scheme, etc. In order for Tomlin to be as effective as we hope he can be, he'll need a couple of seasons to transition to his defense, get the personnel in place to run it, get the players to buy into his system, etc. We don't need that overhaul.
Hiring Grimm would just be short term answer for continuity, whereas Tomlin is the best HC for long term success IMHO. Who's to say that Tomlin won't stick with LeBeau and the 3-4 defense? I'll be very disappointed if Grimm is the best the Steelers can do.
That's how I feel. Grimm might keep them in contention for a year or so with the same personnel. Then what? i see a slide starting in a couple of years if Grimm is in charge. But I certainly could be wrong. Hopefully I am.
I guess this is what I need some clarification on. Why do some fans seem to think a slide is inevitable under Grimm? He's a Pittsburgh guy who believes in all the tenets of Steeler football that have proven successful over the years. He's got a terrific football mind, the respect of the players, and studied for years at the knee of Cowher. Why do people think he's not a good fit?
Maybe it's unfair of me to judge on one year, but the Steelers line has 3 1st rounders, a second rounder and a 3rd rounder. And they were horrible this year. One argument people make in favor of Grimm is he was responsible for halftime adjustments on offense. I don't see that as a plus for Grimm. They were 2-6 this year when trailing at halftime and lost 2 when they were leading at halftime.And now for the not so kind comment. Since PFT liked to call Cowher Coach Chin. How long before they refer to Grimm (if he's selected) as Coach Double Chin? :yes:
The Steelers' line has struggled in pass blocking some this past year, but if you look at the overall success of the line in Grimm's tenure, the Steelers traditionally have been at or near the top of the heap virtually every season since he came on. They're always near the top in run blocking, and while some guys have been inconsistent in pass blocking, on the whole, they've been pretty good.
Steelers run blocking has been very inconsistent for the last couple of years. Cowher was no X and O's mastermind that Grimm would have benefited from being around Cowher. Cowher was/is a great motivator who sometimes his teams underachieved and he got outcoached with excellent gameplans.
 
This is nothing at all like the Willingham situation. Not. Even. Close. There will be no protests. No sponsor pullouts. The team at no time has made an announcement. The only one to report that Tomlin was hired was the SI reporter citing unnamed sources. For all we know it could have been the janitor as the source. Again, if anyone gets fried it's the SI reporter.

 
The only way there could be legal ramifications for the Steelers if they hire Grimm is if they offered the job to Tomlin then without good reason, withdrew that offer. I highly doubt that is the case.

Here are three possible scenarios that I see happening:

1. Steelers announce Grimm on Monday. The Steelers statement mentioned that no contractual agreement has been reached. They did not say a job has or has not been offered. A job could have been offered to and accepted by Grimm but terms were not reached as of Sunday morning. The Steelers discussed the HC position with Tomlin last night (per a Fox Sports article) and Tomlin said that the Rooney's have not made a decision and would like to sleep on it. Grimm and the Rooney's know he's the man but don't want to make an announcement on Championship Sunday. The Steelers tell Tomlin that they haven't made up their mind to limit the media's focus on the HC search. Both ESPN (Mort) and SI (Silver) have egg on their face.

2. Steelers announce Tomlin on Monday. Grimm goes to Arizona.

3. The Bears lose and the Steelers interview Rivera. If that's the case, it's anybody's job.

I have this feeling that it is scenario number 1.

 
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