Steelers = Fraud of 2007 Season.... (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

Sorry Steeler fans... but your team is a Fraud.

You guys can't win a game away from your Building..

You've only beaten 2 worthy Teams (Seattle and Cleveland)...

The Jets creamed you physically...

I don't care what the conditions were last night; you guys want to be the 3rd best team in the AFC... you've got to do a better job than that @ an 0 - 11 Team.

and in 2 weeks; the Pats are going to destory you.

I am in no way a Pats fan, completely the opposite... but you guys were my last hope to beat them and there is no way thats happening now... everyone who plays @ Tom Brady in Week 14 is going to be smoked by his 400 yd / 4 TD performance against the Steel.

 

[D_House]

timschochet agrees.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Sorry Steeler fans... but your team is a Fraud. You guys can't win a game away from your Building.. You've only beaten 2 worthy Teams (Seattle and Cleveland)... The Jets creamed you physically...I don't care what the conditions were last night; you guys want to be the 3rd best team in the AFC... you've got to do a better job than that @ an 0 - 11 Team.and in 2 weeks; the Pats are going to destory you. I am in no way a Pats fan, completely the opposite... but you guys were my last hope to beat them and there is no way thats happening now... everyone who plays @ Tom Brady in Week 14 is going to be smoked by his 400 yd / 4 TD performance against the Steel.

Steelers are 8-3. Unbeaten in the division.Jets game was a poor game and Steelers aren't playing their best right now.I don't think any Steelers fans have more than a fleeting hope of beating New England.Right now, a divison title and #3 seed look like a distinct possibility. Opening round game at home should be a win. Then, they'd likely be on the road at Indy, a game I give them a 50/50 chance at winning. Then they'd have to go to New England, a game in which their odds of winning in the AFCC fall somewhere between a snowball's chance in hell and a fart's chance in a dust storm.Where exactly does the "fraud" part come into play?

 

[beavers]

I am really tired of the Steelers and Pats bashing threads.

 

[wadegarrett]

I am in no way a Pats fan, completely the opposite

Tell us who your team is so we can make fun of you.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Oh, and by the way, if they're not the 3rd best team in the AFC, who is? The only team I could see making a case for is Jacksonville, so I don't see how ranking the Steelers 3rd in the AFC right now is that much of a stretch. Where do you rank them, 4th? Behind Jacksonville, Cleveland is pretty clearly the next best team (did I just say that?) and the Steelers already handled them twice.

 

[Godsbrother]

The Steelers have won as many games this year than they did all of last. They're 8-3 overall, 6-2 in the conference and 4-0 in the division.

I don't mind being a fraud...

 

[wadegarrett]

Oh, and by the way, if they're not the 3rd best team in the AFC, who is? The only team I could see making a case for is Jacksonville, so I don't see how ranking the Steelers 3rd in the AFC right now is that much of a stretch. Where do you rank them, 4th? Behind Jacksonville, Cleveland is pretty clearly the next best team (did I just say that?) and the Steelers already handled them twice.

 

[timschochet]

timschochet agrees.

No I don't. I think the Steelers played a miserable game last night, and in a depressed state, I made fun of it. But I'd certainly rather be at 8-3, even with that offensive line. And as far as the game with NE goes, while I certainly wouldn't favor Pittsburgh, who knows what's going to happen? Who predicted the Eagles would play them close? Let's play the whole season out, and then judge who the frauds were.

 

[dornado]

The Steelers have won as many games this year than they did all of last. They're 8-3 overall, 6-2 in the conference and 4-0 in the division.

I don't mind being a fraud...

Yes, I wish the Bears were a fraudulent 8-3. As for the original poster "not caring" about the field conditions.... that's nice... but most of us that watched the game know the impact it had... hard to make a determination after a game Steve Young said wasn't even "competitive" due to field conditions.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

People have the nerve to rate them the 3rd best in AFC

And they're right to do so. If the Steelers aren't the 3rd bets team in the AFC, I don't know who is.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

The Cleveland Browns are 7-4 and their 5 remaining games are against teams with losing records (Cards, 49ers, Bills, Jets, Bengals). Anything can happen of course but if they happen to win out they'll be 12-4.

The Steelers have a much tougher schedule as they still have to play the Patriots and the Jaguars. Losing both of those games will give them at least 5 losses. Pittsburgh is in a dangerous situation right now where if they slip up they could wind up 2nd place in the the division that they owned for most of the season.

 

[Godsbrother]

The Cleveland Browns are 7-4 and their 5 remaining games are against teams with losing records (Cards, 49ers, Bills, Jets, Bengals). Anything can happen of course but if they happen to win out they'll be 12-4.The Steelers have a much tougher schedule as they still have to play the Patriots and the Jaguars. Pittsburgh is in a dangerous situation right now where if they slip up they could wind up 2nd place in the the division that they owned for most of the season.

There is a chance the Steelers could sweep the division but still not win the division. That would be freaky.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

I am in no way a Pats fan, completely the opposite

Tell us who your team is so we can make fun of you.

He usually provides enough material without knowing that.

 

[KellysHeroes]

You guys are going to become the NY Giants of the AFC.... One and Done

 

[Evilgrin 72]

You guys are going to become the NY Giants of the AFC.... One and Done

Hey, if the season ended today, where would the Steelers be seeded in the AFC? Now, if only there were some way to reconcile the discrepancy between the answer to that question and people saying the Steelers are the third best team in the AFC........

 

[twitch]

Fraud is far too harsh a word to describe the Steelers. And I dont see how it even defines them. What are the fraudulent of? Noone's annointed them as anything. Theyve got a strong record right now, but theyve also lost 3 winnable games on the road. Theyre an inconsistent team if nothing else. They are what they are. But imo, theyre the definition of the "on any given Sunday" team. Their highest level of football is higher than most. Their inconsistencies may be the result of having such a young head coach. Not to make excuses that really arent needed. But they'll end up an 11 or 12 win team with once again a shot of competing for a title. They definitely need to button it up on the road because Cleveland is breathing down their necks.

 

[Franknbeans]

They're not frauds because of the simple fact that they have the league's best defense. If the coaches could figure out the offensive line woes and give Ben more protection, I think they'll be a tough out for whoever draws them in the playoffs.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I think the problem is that the offense peaked so dam early... now the rest of the league is catching up....

and Yes; you guys may finish 3rd or atleast 4th and get you one Home game in the Playoffs... but a team like SDC or Jax are going to walk into your home and send you guys packing if you continue to play like this.

 

[Despyzer]

I think the Steelers will end up as the #2 or #3 seed in the AFC, but it seems to me that after the Patriots the rankings from 2 to 8 (Ind, Pitt, Jax, Cle, SD, Ten) are fairly indistinct.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Over the years at FBG I've learned there are some arguments better to just steer clear of. This would be one of them.

 

[The Ref]

I hate the Steelers - but I'm not so sure that they are not the second best team in the AFC on the right day.

 

[CrossEyed]

The only thing fraudulent about the Steelers is that they took money from 65,000 people to watch that game last night. The Rooneys and anyone else involved in the decision making regarding the playing surface at Heinz Field should be embarrassed and they should offer refunds to everyone who was at the game.

Regarding the op, this isn't the NCAA. The playoffs are determined by what you do on the field. The Steelers are 8-3 and most likely are headed to the playoffs where anything can happen. Deal with it.

 

[twitch]

They're not frauds because of the simple fact that they have the league's best defense. If the coaches could figure out the offensive line woes and give Ben more protection, I think they'll be a tough out for whoever draws them in the playoffs.

This is not the league's best D. Pittsburgh's schedule pretty much tells the story there. When they line up with teams like Dallas, New England or the Colts and hold them down, on the road, or in other words, a decent NFL caliber field, I'll be impressed. But limiting juggernaut Os like Buffalo, San Fran, Miami, Baltimore and the Jets, and even the Charlie Brown(Frye) Browns is nothing to brag about. Theyve had one win Ive been impressed by. The home win against Cleveland. And the playing conditions that day were typically horrendous. I still think theyll compete in the playoffs. But declaring this D as the league's best is only supporting this whole 'fraudulent' theory, imo.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I wouldn't say they are a fraud, but the shine is definitely off of their star. For most of the season, most have considered them the 3rd best team in the AFC, without question, and perhaps one of the top three teams in the league. And as recent as two weeks ago, some wondered if they were the team most likely to beat the Patriots. Now, they are no better than the 5th or 6th best team in the league. NE is 1, and Indy, Dallas, and GB are 2-3-4 (the order of those teams is irrelevant), and the team that is number 5, is behind those four by quite a bit, at this point.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Sorry Steeler fans... but your team is a Fraud. You guys can't win a game away from your Building.. You've only beaten 2 worthy Teams (Seattle and Cleveland)... The Jets creamed you physically...I don't care what the conditions were last night; you guys want to be the 3rd best team in the AFC... you've got to do a better job than that @ an 0 - 11 Team.and in 2 weeks; the Pats are going to destory you. I am in no way a Pats fan, completely the opposite... but you guys were my last hope to beat them and there is no way thats happening now... everyone who plays @ Tom Brady in Week 14 is going to be smoked by his 400 yd / 4 TD performance against the Steel.

You weren't around here in 2005 but many of the same things were being said of the Steelers then. Bottom line is the Steelers are 8-3 despite not playing their best football yet.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Oh, and by the way, if they're not the 3rd best team in the AFC, who is? The only team I could see making a case for is Jacksonville, so I don't see how ranking the Steelers 3rd in the AFC right now is that much of a stretch. Where do you rank them, 4th? Behind Jacksonville, Cleveland is pretty clearly the next best team (did I just say that?) and the Steelers already handled them twice.

JAX is quietly having an excellent season. I think they beat Indy this week.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

I am in no way a Pats fan, completely the opposite

Tell us who your team is so we can make fun of you.

He usually provides enough material without knowing that.

 

[massraider]

Bad weather is the great equalizer. I learned this in high school.

 

[treat88]

Steelers are certainly the most schizophrenic team in the NFL.

They can be the best team in the league (Pats included) one day and the worst team in the league (Jets/Cards) another day.

The thing the Steelers have proven they can't do is win on the road or run in the red zone. They will not get far in the playoffs because of these two variables.

I don't think with that defense they can be considered a fraud. However, they certainly aren't powerhouses despite the 8-3 record.

 

[TxBuckeye]

I don't think with that defense they can be considered a fraud. However, they certainly aren't powerhouses despite the 8-3 record.

Other than the Pats, who is? No one. I still think they are the second best team int he AFC. But it is a distant second.

 

[Tarkin]

I'm hoping the Steelers look ahead to the Pats game and let the Bengals steal one in Pittsburgh

 

[stevegamer]

The only thing fraudulent about the Steelers is that they took money from 65,000 people to watch that game last night. The Rooneys and anyone else involved in the decision making regarding the playing surface at Heinz Field should be embarrassed and they should offer refunds to everyone who was at the game.Regarding the op, this isn't the NCAA. The playoffs are determined by what you do on the field. The Steelers are 8-3 and most likely are headed to the playoffs where anything can happen. Deal with it.

Frankly, the league needs to let them know that that kind of condition will NOT be tolerated again.Just do not have a home game after 5 games over the long weekend.I'd put them 4th behind Jacksonville, but they will likely be the 3 seed.

 

[Captain Spaulding]

- Offensive line is fraud (both run blocking and pass protection).

- Willie Parker is above average NFL back...not really 2nd best RB in NFL (as rushing stats would indicate)

- Defensive coordinators have figured out that Ben "can't hit the curve ball". He really isn't a highly effective pocket passer who can look through his various pass options and make a strike. He makes most of his big plays either on big play action passes to primary receiver or improvizing by avoiding up-the-middle pass rush and rolling to outside. Defenses are learning that if you rush from outside to keep him corralled it has drastically increased his sacks the last 3 weeks (due to combo of fraud o-line protection and Ben's weakness to hold onto the ball too long in the pocket).

- Defense is legit...although **** Lebeau needs to better game plan Troy P. He's isn't highly effective on safety blitzes this year which has resulted in alot of big plays and 3rd down conversions by the opposition. This should be correctable though.

- Special teams are average...Kicker and punter are very strong..coverage and returns are so/so at best.

 

[treat88]

The only thing fraudulent about the Steelers is that they took money from 65,000 people to watch that game last night. The Rooneys and anyone else involved in the decision making regarding the playing surface at Heinz Field should be embarrassed and they should offer refunds to everyone who was at the game.Regarding the op, this isn't the NCAA. The playoffs are determined by what you do on the field. The Steelers are 8-3 and most likely are headed to the playoffs where anything can happen. Deal with it.

Steelers don't own the stadium. I'm not clear how much input they have regarding the decisions made.If they had a significant voice in that debacle, I agree 100%.

 

[Jous]

The only thing holding back Pittsburgh is the offensive line. hey have an elite QB with SuperBowl winning experience, an elite defense, a good RB and decent group of WR's,,, if they can somehow get the o-line to gel, they can play with anyone in the league.

However, as they are now, with a mediocre at best line, they are probably a team that will win one playoff game and that's it.

 

[Gerg73]

- Offensive line is fraud (both run blocking and pass protection).- Willie Parker is above average NFL back...not really 2nd best RB in NFL (as rushing stats would indicate)- Defensive coordinators have figured out that Ben "can't hit the curve ball". He really isn't a highly effective pocket passer who can look through his various pass options and make a strike. He makes most of his big plays either on big play action passes to primary receiver or improvizing by avoiding up-the-middle pass rush and rolling to outside. Defenses are learning that if you rush from outside to keep him corralled it has drastically increased his sacks the last 3 weeks (due to combo of fraud o-line protection and Ben's weakness to hold onto the ball too long in the pocket).- Defense is legit...although **** Lebeau needs to better game plan Troy P. He's isn't highly effective on safety blitzes this year which has resulted in alot of big plays and 3rd down conversions by the opposition. This should be correctable though.- Special teams are average...Kicker and punter are very strong..coverage and returns are so/so at best.

I predict the Browns win the Division. Now that they get to play the easy Teams like the Steelers have already played like Buff., AZ, Jets, Cinn. SF.I don't see how three of those Teams can score with the Browns. The Cards and Bengals games will be tough, but I see the Browns running the table and getting the 3rd seed.Pitt loses to New England and Jax, two Teams that have had success against them recently.But then, Pitt beats the Browns in the Playoffs....again.

 

[CrossEyed]

- Offensive line is fraud (both run blocking and pass protection).- Willie Parker is above average NFL back...not really 2nd best RB in NFL (as rushing stats would indicate)- Defensive coordinators have figured out that Ben "can't hit the curve ball". He really isn't a highly effective pocket passer who can look through his various pass options and make a strike. He makes most of his big plays either on big play action passes to primary receiver or improvizing by avoiding up-the-middle pass rush and rolling to outside. Defenses are learning that if you rush from outside to keep him corralled it has drastically increased his sacks the last 3 weeks (due to combo of fraud o-line protection and Ben's weakness to hold onto the ball too long in the pocket).- Defense is legit...although **** Lebeau needs to better game plan Troy P. He's isn't highly effective on safety blitzes this year which has resulted in alot of big plays and 3rd down conversions by the opposition. This should be correctable though.- Special teams are average...Kicker and punter are very strong..coverage and returns are so/so at best.

How is it possible that the offensive line is bad, Parker is #2 in rushing, and he's nothing more than an above average NFL back?

 

[CrossEyed]

The only thing fraudulent about the Steelers is that they took money from 65,000 people to watch that game last night. The Rooneys and anyone else involved in the decision making regarding the playing surface at Heinz Field should be embarrassed and they should offer refunds to everyone who was at the game.Regarding the op, this isn't the NCAA. The playoffs are determined by what you do on the field. The Steelers are 8-3 and most likely are headed to the playoffs where anything can happen. Deal with it.

Steelers don't own the stadium. I'm not clear how much input they have regarding the decisions made.If they had a significant voice in that debacle, I agree 100%.

Steelers have complete control over the playing surface. Pitt has expressed their desire for the Steelers to switch to a field turf and the Steelers have so far refused.

 

[Godsbrother]

I predict the Browns win the Division. Now that they get to play the easy Teams like the Steelers have already played like Buff., AZ, Jets, Cinn. SF.I don't see how three of those Teams can score with the Browns. The Cards and Bengals games will be tough, but I see the Browns running the table and getting the 3rd seed.Pitt loses to New England and Jax, two Teams that have had success against them recently.But then, Pitt beats the Browns in the Playoffs....again.

The Browns absolutely have a chance to win the division but I don't consider them an elite team that is going to win their last 7. This team lost to New England which is certainly nothing to be ashamed about but they also lost to Oakland and Pittsburgh beat them twice. Their defense is their achilles heal and I think the Arizona and Cincinnati games in particular should be shootouts. Buffalo could also give them trouble.The Steelers will almost certainly lose to the Patriots but I bet they'll be favored against Jacksonville coming to Heinz in December. The Steelers biggest concern for now has got to be the Bengals this week -- now that they have Rudi back healthy and CJ/TJ/Henry they are going to be tough.I think the division title goes down to the wire

 

[MOAT]

I'm going to eagerly watch this thread so the original poster can give us the definitive power ranking of the entire NFL. That way we can clean up in bets by knowing the winner of all remaining teams. That should help cover any losses we might have in FF this year.

Oh wait, did the original post say that the Steelers played AT the Dolphins this week rather than the Fins at the Steelers? Should errors like that impact the power ranking that KH posted? WHAT!? KH didn't say who was better than who other than the Pats were better than the Steelers? That's really going out on a limb!

I guess it's back to trying to win FF playoffs...

 

[twitch]

Fraud is far too harsh a word to describe the Steelers. And I dont see how it even defines them. What are the fraudulent of? Noone's annointed them as anything. Theyve got a strong record right now, but theyve also lost 3 winnable games on the road. Theyre an inconsistent team if nothing else. They are what they are. But imo, theyre the definition of the "on any given Sunday" team. Their highest level of football is higher than most. Their inconsistencies may be the result of having such a young head coach. Not to make excuses that really arent needed. But they'll end up an 11 or 12 win team with once again a shot of competing for a title. They definitely need to button it up on the road because Cleveland is breathing down their necks.

Going to bat for your team fellas. Not your field or your "NFL best" D.

 

[amnesiac]

Oh, and by the way, if they're not the 3rd best team in the AFC, who is? The only team I could see making a case for is Jacksonville, so I don't see how ranking the Steelers 3rd in the AFC right now is that much of a stretch. Where do you rank them, 4th? Behind Jacksonville, Cleveland is pretty clearly the next best team (did I just say that?) and the Steelers already handled them twice.

i'd like to pretend the first one didn't happen, but this is pretty spot on.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Fraud is far too harsh a word to describe the Steelers. And I dont see how it even defines them. What are the fraudulent of? Noone's annointed them as anything. Theyve got a strong record right now, but theyve also lost 3 winnable games on the road. Theyre an inconsistent team if nothing else. They are what they are. But imo, theyre the definition of the "on any given Sunday" team. Their highest level of football is higher than most. Their inconsistencies may be the result of having such a young head coach. Not to make excuses that really arent needed. But they'll end up an 11 or 12 win team with once again a shot of competing for a title. They definitely need to button it up on the road because Cleveland is breathing down their necks.

Going to bat for your team fellas.

You pretty much got it right. What's to go to bat for?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

In terms of fraud, I know where he's coming from except I think the term fraud is a little harsh.

I think the term overrated better fits Pittsburgh ATM. It's not entirely their fault, ESPN for a couple weeks right around the time where they beat up Baltimore, guys like S. Salsbury were making statements on why Pittsburgh's the team to beat in the AFC and how in the playoffs, they have the perfect team to do so.

So, when you have a national sports channel on with so called experts claiming that they will be the team to beat the Patriots in the playoffs, then they beat Cleveland at home by 3, they have lost to Denver, they lose to the Jets and they barely beat a winless team 3-0.

When you go from being dubbed "The Team" who's going to be the team who knocks off the Patriots to what we've seen the last month, that could be called a fraud.

I dont' like that term, like I said I just think the so called experts had the Steelers overrated and people jumped the gun.

Truth is, they're in the same tier as jacksonville, cleveland, and San Diego. If Pittsburgh played anyone of those 3 teams on a neutral field this weekend, I believe it would be about a 50/50 chance for any of those teams to beat one another.

 

[Jous]

San Diego? No way, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville and even Cleveland are a tier above the Chargers.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

- Offensive line is fraud (both run blocking and pass protection).- Willie Parker is above average NFL back...not really 2nd best RB in NFL (as rushing stats would indicate)- Defensive coordinators have figured out that Ben "can't hit the curve ball". He really isn't a highly effective pocket passer who can look through his various pass options and make a strike. He makes most of his big plays either on big play action passes to primary receiver or improvizing by avoiding up-the-middle pass rush and rolling to outside. Defenses are learning that if you rush from outside to keep him corralled it has drastically increased his sacks the last 3 weeks (due to combo of fraud o-line protection and Ben's weakness to hold onto the ball too long in the pocket).- Defense is legit...although **** Lebeau needs to better game plan Troy P. He's isn't highly effective on safety blitzes this year which has resulted in alot of big plays and 3rd down conversions by the opposition. This should be correctable though.- Special teams are average...Kicker and punter are very strong..coverage and returns are so/so at best.

Big Ben was 18/21 in that slop, but he "cant hit the curveball?" Ben is a top 5 QB in the NFL.

 

[Steeler07]

Sorry Steeler fans... but your team is a Fraud. You guys can't win a game away from your Building.. You've only beaten 2 worthy Teams (Seattle and Cleveland)... The Jets creamed you physically...I don't care what the conditions were last night; you guys want to be the 3rd best team in the AFC... you've got to do a better job than that @ an 0 - 11 Team.and in 2 weeks; the Pats are going to destory you. I am in no way a Pats fan, completely the opposite... but you guys were my last hope to beat them and there is no way thats happening now... everyone who plays @ Tom Brady in Week 14 is going to be smoked by his 400 yd / 4 TD performance against the Steel.

The O-line has suffered some injuries, and it wasn't very good to begin with. The defense is still very good, so while the Pats will likely destroy them, in a good day they will beat any AFC team except the Patriots and Colts. I really don't know why this team has lost against inferior teams 3 times, I hope they fix that.

 

[Steeler07]

Sorry Steeler fans... but your team is a Fraud. You guys can't win a game away from your Building.. You've only beaten 2 worthy Teams (Seattle and Cleveland)... The Jets creamed you physically...I don't care what the conditions were last night; you guys want to be the 3rd best team in the AFC... you've got to do a better job than that @ an 0 - 11 Team.and in 2 weeks; the Pats are going to destory you. I am in no way a Pats fan, completely the opposite... but you guys were my last hope to beat them and there is no way thats happening now... everyone who plays @ Tom Brady in Week 14 is going to be smoked by his 400 yd / 4 TD performance against the Steel.

And BTW, it sounds like the Steelers cost you a big bet.Sorry about that...not

 

[twitch]

Fraud is far too harsh a word to describe the Steelers. And I dont see how it even defines them. What are the fraudulent of? Noone's annointed them as anything. Theyve got a strong record right now, but theyve also lost 3 winnable games on the road. Theyre an inconsistent team if nothing else. They are what they are. But imo, theyre the definition of the "on any given Sunday" team. Their highest level of football is higher than most. Their inconsistencies may be the result of having such a young head coach. Not to make excuses that really arent needed. But they'll end up an 11 or 12 win team with once again a shot of competing for a title. They definitely need to button it up on the road because Cleveland is breathing down their necks.

Going to bat for your team fellas.

You pretty much got it right. What's to go to bat for?

It was right before you made your edit.