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Steelers offering Big Ben for a top-10 pick (1 Viewer)
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
the word out on the street is the Rams have declined giving up their #1 pick in exchange for Roethlisberger.
cstu
Footballguy
Wasn't the reason the Bills didn't want Clausen because of fumbling concerns in bad weather due to his small hands?
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Without the baggage, I think the Steelers could easily get a first round pick for Ben. He's a very good qb still in his prime with superbowl experience. The only reason that they probably can't get a first round pick is because of the baggage..........
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Without the baggage the Steelers wouldn't even think of trading him. The Bears gave up two number 1's to get Cutler -- without baggage a QB with Roethlisberger's statistics and accomplishments would be through the roof.
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Why would they draft Clausen?
They just brought in Leftwich, he can be a solid backup, and Tomlin and co. have talked up Dennis Dixon for 2 years. Let's not forget if not for a major injury, Dixon probably would have been a 2nd round pick and maybe even a 1st rounder. He looked very good against a tough Ravens defense last year. Why couldn't they just trade Ben for a top-10 pick and then go in with Dixon/Leftwich/Batch?
Then with their new top-10 pick they grab some stud defensive player, since defense was actually a biiger problem than offense last season.
As for who would give up a top-10 pick, my first instinct tells me this would be an Al Davis move, especially after they couldn't get McNabb.
Buffalo has the need at QB, but it seems like an unlikely fit. Strictly from a football aspect they are the best fit, but they seem to want to distance themselves from troubled players more than most teams.
Maybe Jacksonville? Getting a 2-time Super Bowl winning QB who is in his prime would be one way to get butts in the seats.
Definitely not teams:
St. Louis
Detroit
Tampa
Washington
Possible but unlikely:
Kansas City
Seattle
Buffalo
Favorites:
Oakland
Jacksonville
Darkhorse:
Cleveland
They just brought in Leftwich, he can be a solid backup, and Tomlin and co. have talked up Dennis Dixon for 2 years. Let's not forget if not for a major injury, Dixon probably would have been a 2nd round pick and maybe even a 1st rounder. He looked very good against a tough Ravens defense last year. Why couldn't they just trade Ben for a top-10 pick and then go in with Dixon/Leftwich/Batch?
Then with their new top-10 pick they grab some stud defensive player, since defense was actually a biiger problem than offense last season.
As for who would give up a top-10 pick, my first instinct tells me this would be an Al Davis move, especially after they couldn't get McNabb.
Buffalo has the need at QB, but it seems like an unlikely fit. Strictly from a football aspect they are the best fit, but they seem to want to distance themselves from troubled players more than most teams.
Maybe Jacksonville? Getting a 2-time Super Bowl winning QB who is in his prime would be one way to get butts in the seats.
Definitely not teams:
St. Louis
Detroit
Tampa
Washington
Possible but unlikely:
Kansas City
Seattle
Buffalo
Favorites:
Oakland
Jacksonville
Darkhorse:
Cleveland
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Exactly. It's silly to think that they couldn't get a first for Ben without the baggage.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Fixed that for you.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
What a perfect fit for Oakland.
-bad OL....Ben's used to that
-lots of high picks on skill players that he has at his disposal
-bad OL....Ben's used to that
-lots of high picks on skill players that he has at his disposal
Saint
Footballguy
Even with baggage, a first round pick is not out of the question. Young franchise QB for a 1st round pick with two SB wins behind him. He immediately steps into the locker room and helps some of these teams....
QB seems to be one of the most volatile positions in terms of success rate and he's a proven commodity. I would not be surprised to see teams like Buffalo, Oakland, Tampa, Cleveland, Oakland or Jax. I really can't see him being dealt within the division, so I would rule out Cleveland. Buffalo/Jax/Oakland seem to be a viable place. Oakland was heavy in trying to get McNabb (based on other posts) and Schein/Gannon is reporting on NFL blitz that he fits the Al Davis model and would be a perfect place. In addition, with all of the QB troubles Oakland has had for years, they would be foolish to pass up this opportunity.
QB seems to be one of the most volatile positions in terms of success rate and he's a proven commodity. I would not be surprised to see teams like Buffalo, Oakland, Tampa, Cleveland, Oakland or Jax. I really can't see him being dealt within the division, so I would rule out Cleveland. Buffalo/Jax/Oakland seem to be a viable place. Oakland was heavy in trying to get McNabb (based on other posts) and Schein/Gannon is reporting on NFL blitz that he fits the Al Davis model and would be a perfect place. In addition, with all of the QB troubles Oakland has had for years, they would be foolish to pass up this opportunity.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
If I'm running any of these teams I'd trade a first for Ben without a second thought.
Seattle
Buffalo
Oakland
Jacksonville
Cleveland
Seattle
Buffalo
Oakland
Jacksonville
Cleveland
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I agree the Steelers probably wouldn't go after Clausen if they got a top 10 pick but the prospect of Dixon/Leftwich/Batch quaterbacking the Steelers does not paint a rosey future.Leftwich is a capable backup, nothing more and Batch should have retired. Dixon was okay in his first start but I certainly wouldn't characterize his performance as "very good". He looked very much like Kordell Stewart.This team is built to win now, not three or four years from now. Trading Ben means you are blowing up and starting over. If that is what the Rooneys feel they need to do then I am all for it but let's not kid ourselves into thinking they will be contending for the division title with that groupd of QBs.
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
agreed.One first round pick will be tremendous value for the team that lands Ben.
Comer
Footballguy
Why? just because they are rivals?
Top ten pick, check
Football Hell, check
Perfect for all.
I would think seattle and oakland would be major league chomping at the bit on this one. Especially seattle (I know they went after whitehurst but this is an automatic upgrade and they have 2 first rounders).
LawFitz
Footballguy
Until he rapes another chick.
OK, that was a bit harsh and misleading. But the point is all "baggage" is not the same.
Any team willing to invest in BB right now better do a lot of research on who this guy really is off the field b/c it's a HUGE red flag that Pitt is willing to unload him in his prime.
And don't give me any of this Clausen or Dixon hype. Without the repeat rape/sex assault incidents, those players aren't worth Ben's salt.
OK, that was a bit harsh and misleading. But the point is all "baggage" is not the same.
Any team willing to invest in BB right now better do a lot of research on who this guy really is off the field b/c it's a HUGE red flag that Pitt is willing to unload him in his prime.
And don't give me any of this Clausen or Dixon hype. Without the repeat rape/sex assault incidents, those players aren't worth Ben's salt.
I really like something like that as well...
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Sounds like this is a horrible time for the Panthers to not have a 1st round draft pick. Good thing they used it to nab Everette Brown.
For all but a handful of teams, there would be absolutely no better use of a 1st round pick than to acquire Roethlisberger.
This is getting insane with fans and execs apparently not thinking Roethlisberger should warrant a top 10 pick.
For all but a handful of teams, there would be absolutely no better use of a 1st round pick than to acquire Roethlisberger.
This is getting insane with fans and execs apparently not thinking Roethlisberger should warrant a top 10 pick.
Mark Davis
Footballguy
As a 49er fan, I'd approve swapping that Panthers pick for Ben.
Yeah, a huge red flag that the Pittsburgh front office have lost their minds.
fatness
Footballguy
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
No, for these reasons1. Riots in Pittsburgh
2. BGP's head would explode with nuclear force and destroy Cleveland.
Steelers' fans need to make up their minds. Do they want to get rid of Roethlisberger or not? If he's a bad guy who isn't worthy of being a Steeler it seems to me that they'd love to have him go to Cleveland.
DenverBroncos
Footballguy
Teams would be crazy NOT to give up a 1st for him (even with baggage). If a team comes out of the NFL draft with a top 8 QB who has 2 superbowls and is only 28, that would be a succesful draft.
ps I'd love to see Big Ben in SF with VD and Crabs (he may already have these anyways).
ps I'd love to see Big Ben in SF with VD and Crabs (he may already have these anyways).
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I think theyre testing the waters more than they will actually trade him.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Local reports always were that Roeth and Whisenhunt weren't exactly the 'bestest of buddies.' I wouldn't read that much into it.
Mark Davis
Footballguy
Agreed. That's why I'm not a fan of the 49ers paying more than the 17th pick. I understand what his value should be, but you're taking on a huge risk if you trade for him. I'm still not sold that the Steelers trade him either.
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KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I dunno. If Ben puts his problems behind him, guaranteeing a QB of his caliber for the next 5+ years is worth a #1 overall IMO.
Todem
Footballguy
The Rams are dumb asses then.
fatness
Footballguy
The problem is that no one knows if he will (or can) put the problems behind him. Maybe he's a bright young guy who just jut too insulated from the consequences of what he did, and he'll snap right out of it. Or maybe he's as capable of self-improvement as Carl Spackler is. Teams don't know which way it will go with him. They only know the league is tired of it and the Steelers are willing to give up on him for decent compensation. That's why it's hard to tell if he's worth the 1.01 pick or not.
steelcityman
Footballguy
I watched Clausen a lot at ND, and I never remember cold weather being an issue with him fumbling. Buff might be blowing smoke to scare people away. Cold weather would be my least concern with Clausen. I think he, like Ben(7 years older) is immature.Some team better step it up. I just saw a pick of Ben and it made me pissed, not so much for the sexual abuse, but for acting a fool and costing his teammates more than likely another playoffs.I will always cheer the Steelers, just not #7.Raiders, Seabags, Bills...this is your chance to get good, or pay a rookie and win 4 games again and again and again.
CentralPA
Footballguy
I guess I meant in the top ten picks, not 1st round overall. Sorry for not being more specific.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
Seattle's 1.14 should get this done. Plus Seattle has plenty of money. Hasselbeck will be hurt by week six, so it works out for everybody involved.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Even with all that risk, I don't see how he's not better than the devil you don't know. We absolutely know he can play at this level, which is more than you can say for the 200+ people about to be drafted this year.
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fatness
Footballguy
northern exposure
Footballguy
I could see Da Raiders giving up 1.8 and Nnamdi for the Steelers 1st rounder and Ben.
dgreen
Footballguy
But what about Jamarcus Russell?
northern exposure
Footballguy
They'll move Tubby to the O or D Line.But what about Jamarcus Russell?
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