Stephen A. Smith covering NFL issues? (1 Viewer)

[SIDA!]

Some of you guys are really ####ed up. Some drunk ##### is annoying the hell out of you, you walk away.

I don't mean this in a condescending way, but what sort of life experience do you have? You seem to have a very limited perspective.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

African-American women experience significantly more domestic violence than White women in the age group of 20-24.

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domestic_violence/resources/statistics.html

Maybe Stephen A Smith being an African American has more insight on how African American relationships work. Before you all jump all over me, I do not condone violence against women, but maybe allowing a person/people to discuss his/their opinion would lead to a better understanding and an openness that would help change the above fact. Turning a deaf ear and hiding your head in the sand doesn't change a thing.

 

[RUSF18]

Are people not allowed to have opinions anymore?

That women can provoke their own beatings? No, you are not allowed to have that opinion.Actually, sorry...you can totally have that opinion, but you'll deservedly be called an animal for voicing it.

Are you literally saying that it is impossible for a woman to have any culpability in a beating she suffers at the hands of another male?

Outside of a legitimate self-defense claim, yes I'm saying that.

 

[trogg78]

Are people not allowed to have opinions anymore?

That women can provoke their own beatings? No, you are not allowed to have that opinion.Actually, sorry...you can totally have that opinion, but you'll deservedly be called an animal for voicing it.

Are you literally saying that it is impossible for a woman to have any culpability in a beating she suffers at the hands of another male?

Unless she assaults someone first...no she has no "culpability".

 

[trogg78]

RUS nailed it first...good call, brother!

 

[trogg78]

Look at adam jones last assault case that was thrown out. That woman assaulted him and all he did was push her.

 

[Socrates11]

He was just channeling Chris Rock:

"Now I'm not saying he should have hit her, but I can understand."

 

[SIDA!]

Are people not allowed to have opinions anymore?

That women can provoke their own beatings? No, you are not allowed to have that opinion.Actually, sorry...you can totally have that opinion, but you'll deservedly be called an animal for voicing it.

Are you literally saying that it is impossible for a woman to have any culpability in a beating she suffers at the hands of another male?

Outside of a legitimate self-defense claim, yes I'm saying that.

I am wondering if you have ever been in an argument with a woman who refuses to leave you alone, refuses to allow you space if you do not want to have an argument, or refuses to allow you the opportunity to leave the location by physically obstructing your person by intentionally blocking your path, locking you inside a bedroom, taking your keys, etc?

I am not in any way advocating or rationalizing a man punching a woman or beating her down, but there are instances where women provoke physical confrontations of various types for a variety of reasons. Some will do nearly everything in their power to get you to respond physically so that they can call the cops on domestic charges and use that as leverage for a variety of purposes, etc.

 

[RUSF18]

Are people not allowed to have opinions anymore?

That women can provoke their own beatings? No, you are not allowed to have that opinion.Actually, sorry...you can totally have that opinion, but you'll deservedly be called an animal for voicing it.

Are you literally saying that it is impossible for a woman to have any culpability in a beating she suffers at the hands of another male?

Outside of a legitimate self-defense claim, yes I'm saying that.

I am wondering if you have ever been in an argument with a woman who refuses to leave you alone, refuses to allow you space if you do not want to have an argument, or refuses to allow you the opportunity to leave the location by physically obstructing your person by intentionally blocking your path, locking you inside a bedroom, taking your keys, etc?I am not in any way advocating or rationalizing a man punching a woman or beating her down, but there are instances where women provoke physical confrontations of various types for a variety of reasons. Some will do nearly everything in their power to get you to respond physically so that they can call the cops on domestic charges and use that as leverage for a variety of purposes, etc.

No, I've never been in an argument where a woman did any of those things to me. Once a woman did lock me in a bedroom, but that was when I was 23 and it was just so I would keep ####### her brains out. None of those situations should warrant a man getting physically abusive to a woman. And we're not even just talking any instance of physical abuse. You asked if it is impossible to have culpability in a BEATING she received, you ### #### neanderthal.

And in response to the bolded, yes you are.

 

[avoiding injuries]

It seems like people are arguing different things. People seem to be implying that it is impossible for a woman to do something that would cause a man to hit her, when if she didn't do that thing, she wouldn't have been hit. Well, I've seen it happen, so it is possible.

 

[EYLive]

Still not sure what gender has anything to do with the topic. Is it myopia or small-mindedness?

 

[sublimeone]

Still not sure what gender has anything to do with the topic. Is it myopia or small-mindedness?

It's an inability to logically discuss an emotional issue.

 

[SIDA!]

Are people not allowed to have opinions anymore?

That women can provoke their own beatings? No, you are not allowed to have that opinion.Actually, sorry...you can totally have that opinion, but you'll deservedly be called an animal for voicing it.

Are you literally saying that it is impossible for a woman to have any culpability in a beating she suffers at the hands of another male?

Outside of a legitimate self-defense claim, yes I'm saying that.

I am wondering if you have ever been in an argument with a woman who refuses to leave you alone, refuses to allow you space if you do not want to have an argument, or refuses to allow you the opportunity to leave the location by physically obstructing your person by intentionally blocking your path, locking you inside a bedroom, taking your keys, etc?I am not in any way advocating or rationalizing a man punching a woman or beating her down, but there are instances where women provoke physical confrontations of various types for a variety of reasons. Some will do nearly everything in their power to get you to respond physically so that they can call the cops on domestic charges and use that as leverage for a variety of purposes, etc.

No, I've never been in an argument where a woman did any of those things to me. Once a woman did lock me in a bedroom, but that was when I was 23 and it was just so I would keep ####### her brains out.None of those situations should warrant a man getting physically abusive to a woman. And we're not even just talking any instance of physical abuse. You asked if it is impossible to have culpability in a BEATING she received, you ### #### neanderthal.

And in response to the bolded, yes you are.

To the first part of the discussion, you are just going to allow a woman to trap you inside your bedroom or house and simply wait until she calms down and steps to the side so that you can exit the premises? Is that really what you are saying? Or are you going to offer up some suggestion like you would simply call the police instead, as if some crazy woman is really going to even let you dial a phone number. Or maybe I am the only guy in FBG history that has had to interact with a psycho woman.

With respect to a beating, not sure what were defining as a beating to be honest, if a woman were to do certain things to me I am not going to lie on a message board and say that I would ask her pretty please with cherry on top to stop and that I would not get physical to stop her. I think you operate in a pretty naive world and haven't been exposed to some bat #### crazy women and what they are capable of doing.

Sounds like you have for the most part been with pretty sane women and/or women who know how to have healthy relationships. They aren't all like the ones you have experienced, fwiw.

At the end of the day, there isn't a person in this thread arguing that men should be allowed to beat women or physically abuse them. You can try to spin my comments as some sort of rationalization or justification for such if that makes you sleep better, but, you and some others, have a pretty myopic perspective on how ugly and physically abusive some women can get. Additionally, there are some women out there that have no problem picking up weapons of various type to inflict bodily harm.

You have this absolute black and white position that is almost akin to suggesting that women are incapable of engaging in domestic violence. I am pretty sure that that is not your position. I am pretty sure you would argue that women are capable of engaging in domestic violence and as such, I find it hard to believe that you cannot imagine a scenario where a man would need to respond to a woman's actions in a physical manner.

 

[TenTimes]

It seems like people are arguing different things.

Yep. Oddly fascinating to watch a debate that will never have a winner.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

He's been pulled off ESPN for a week. No mention of it being a suspension.

http://deadspin.com/first-take-discusses-a-womans-responsibility-to-avoid-b-1610831462/1612913493/+barryap

Stephen A Smith seems like an idiot, but this is an odd business model for ESPN. They keep hiring blowhards to say controversial things, and then they seem shocked when the blowhards they hired cross some kind of imaginary line. This isn't a new phenomenon -- this is the same company that thought it was a good idea to have Rush Limbaugh on their pregame show.

It seems like they would learn from this. If you don't want the occasional over-the-top rant, don't hire people who tend to rant. Or if you want excitement and controversy, just go for that without apology.

 

[avoiding injuries]

He's been pulled off ESPN for a week. No mention of it being a suspension.

http://deadspin.com/first-take-discusses-a-womans-responsibility-to-avoid-b-1610831462/1612913493/+barryap

Stephen A Smith seems like an idiot, but this is an odd business model for ESPN. They keep hiring blowhards to say controversial things, and then they seem shocked when the blowhards they hired cross some kind of imaginary line. This isn't a new phenomenon -- this is the same company that thought it was a good idea to have Rush Limbaugh on their pregame show.

It seems like they would learn from this. If you don't want the occasional over-the-top rant, don't hire people who tend to rant. Or if you want excitement and controversy, just go for that without apology.

I've never watched "First Take", but I've heard more about that show than almost any other sports show on TV due to their "bad" publicity. I'm not sure it isn't intentional.

 

[Tom Servo]

Dammit, Servo...

I'm declaring victory btw!!

I actually wasn't trying to do that...but can we agree to a draw?

In fairness, I heard an internet radio show that - of all things - made sense of SAS's rambling. The host used the case of Desiree Washington's rape by Mike Tyson. Going up to a hotel room - alone - to see the "Baddest Man on the Planet" was a really bad idea. A man who unleashed holy hell in the ring could conceivably be expected to lack some elements of human decency, like respect for women. That's not to say she deserved what she got; it's that a little foresight would have prevented the situation (e.g. going with a group of people, meeting in a public place, etc.).

The female co-host chimed in with the fact that she was taught never to get into situations she couldn't get herself out of. This would tie in with the above. Most any woman is not going to be able to fight off Tyson and exit a hotel room. Going further, she had asked her husband what he'd do if she attacked him - arms flailing, etc. He told her that he more than likely just try to restrain her until he could get her settled down or get 911 called. In reality, I think 90% of men would end up doing this; disarm or restrain the woman. If there's deadly force involved and you can't get away, I think all bets are off.

I think a lot of people are focusing on the word "provoke" which in this context makes the controversy extra hot. Bottom line is that if men exercise restraint and women don't put themselves in a bad situation, I would think most instances could be avoided...but that's just me.

 

[urbanhack]

Dammit, Servo...

I'm declaring victory btw!!

I think a lot of people are focusing on the word "provoke" which in this context makes the controversy extra hot. Bottom line is that if men exercise restraint and women don't put themselves in a bad situation, I would think most instances could be avoided...but that's just me.

OK Stephen!

 

[kentric]

Skip played that perfectly

I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking to myself, if Skip doesn't jump in, its because he wants to hand SAS as much rope as he needs to hang himself. It was a thing of beauty.

 

[MattFancy]

He's been pulled off ESPN for a week. No mention of it being a suspension.

http://deadspin.com/first-take-discusses-a-womans-responsibility-to-avoid-b-1610831462/1612913493/+barryap

Stephen A Smith seems like an idiot, but this is an odd business model for ESPN. They keep hiring blowhards to say controversial things, and then they seem shocked when the blowhards they hired cross some kind of imaginary line. This isn't a new phenomenon -- this is the same company that thought it was a good idea to have Rush Limbaugh on their pregame show.

It seems like they would learn from this. If you don't want the occasional over-the-top rant, don't hire people who tend to rant. Or if you want excitement and controversy, just go for that without apology.

I've never watched "First Take", but I've heard more about that show than almost any other sports show on TV due to their "bad" publicity.I'm not sure it isn't intentional.

I don't know any of my friends that watch that show. In fact, I don't know many people overall that watch that show. Since it's on at 10am, I'd imagine the vast majority of people are at work. Seems like the only time people talk about it is when Skip or Stephen A say something stupid. I don't think I've ever read anything about the show otherwise.

 

[Tom Servo]

Dammit, Servo...

I'm declaring victory btw!!

I think a lot of people are focusing on the word "provoke" which in this context makes the controversy extra hot. Bottom line is that if men exercise restraint and women don't put themselves in a bad situation, I would think most instances could be avoided...but that's just me.

OK Stephen!

So you think Desiree Washington should've gone to see Mike Tyson alone?

ETA: And did you notice both men and women have a part to play or are you avoiding that for the sake of stirring the pot?

 

[lod01]

That was a disappointing rant. I was waiting for the 'you hoes need to stay in line' and all I got was some weak blabber. He got suspended for that.