Steve Slaton (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

First time I have ever used the emoticon. Thanks.

first link and second link

muchos gracias senior

 

[omally]

While Johnson's was serious enough to have screws inserted, Slaton had his neck fused together.

Johnson's was fused before he had the screws put in.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

While Johnson's was serious enough to have screws inserted, Slaton had his neck fused together.

Johnson's was fused before he had the screws put in.

I believe you. The two links above say he had a loose vertabrae and that screws were inserted. If indeed Johnson had the same injury as Slaton, I apologize. I do hope Slaton can recover from his neck injury the same way Johnson has from his.

 

[Lord Fantasy]

I withdraw my comment but still reserve the right to be personally freaked out that dudes with fused vertebrae are allowed to play the most violent, head-and-spine damaging sport on earth.

MMA?

Maybe . . . but I still think I'd rather run full speed into Kimbo Slice than Patrick Willis . . .

 

[cr8f]

Slaton had his neck fused together.

This is all I need to know

Me too that's why I traded him.

 

[swirvenirvin]

 

[T with T]

The fumbling is a big deal. 7 fumbles on 175 touches is a lot.

yea well when you cant feel your hands and arm because of numbness and dont know if your holding on to the ball tight that could be the reason.... As for all this talk about riskYadda yadda yadda... wake up ding bats... yea there is risk in everything.. taking a perfectly healthy human and putting him on the field is a risk all in all... P. manning and CJ2k have both had sim neck surg and are fine.. slaton is undervalued and will be diamond in the rough... he was better then cj as a rook and was top 10 back... He will be back to his old self

 

[T with T]

Still not seeing why he's being mentioned in the same breath as has been's and (likely) never was'. What are the chances those long shot darts amount to anything? 5%? maybe? I'm not sure about a number on the likelihood of Slaton coming back, but I feel confident saying it's much higher than that.

Because he's a "has been" himself.When we look at all the things that cause a running back to go from a solid fantasy producer to completely worthless in his prime, Slaton is one of the very rare guys that actually fits every single one of those things.

1) Relied on situation more than talent? Check.

2) Problems with turnovers? Check.

3) Serious injury? Check.

4) (Multiple) Replacements brought in? Check.

I don't see why Steve Slaton is any more likely to turn it around and have one more great season than has beens like Portis or Tomlinson even. Those "over the hill" guys were much more productive than Slaton when they played last year and didn't cost their teams games by turning the ball over.

It's great that you drafted him in the 19th round and now are happy about it, but that means that even YOU passed on him in the 18th round, and the 17th, and the 16th, so I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make here. That's he's worth a flyer in the 19th round? Who isn't?

I understand the fumbling and injury concerns regarding Slaton, but I don't see how you can say that he relied more on situation than talent. The guy had all the skills pre-injury to be a top RB in this league.

why u even askin or arguin with the dimwit who posted that obviously he knows nothing... slaton has tons of talent

 

[AB in DC]

Tate and Foster are the hot new fads, but sometimes it's the old standby that's the real value.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Still not seeing why he's being mentioned in the same breath as has been's and (likely) never was'. What are the chances those long shot darts amount to anything? 5%? maybe? I'm not sure about a number on the likelihood of Slaton coming back, but I feel confident saying it's much higher than that.

Because he's a "has been" himself.When we look at all the things that cause a running back to go from a solid fantasy producer to completely worthless in his prime, Slaton is one of the very rare guys that actually fits every single one of those things.

1) Relied on situation more than talent? Check.

2) Problems with turnovers? Check.

3) Serious injury? Check.

4) (Multiple) Replacements brought in? Check.

I don't see why Steve Slaton is any more likely to turn it around and have one more great season than has beens like Portis or Tomlinson even. Those "over the hill" guys were much more productive than Slaton when they played last year and didn't cost their teams games by turning the ball over.

It's great that you drafted him in the 19th round and now are happy about it, but that means that even YOU passed on him in the 18th round, and the 17th, and the 16th, so I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make here. That's he's worth a flyer in the 19th round? Who isn't?

I understand the fumbling and injury concerns regarding Slaton, but I don't see how you can say that he relied more on situation than talent. The guy had all the skills pre-injury to be a top RB in this league.

why u even askin or arguin with the dimwit who posted that obviously he knows nothing... slaton has tons of talent

Hey chief, can you dial it back a bit? Name calling is kinda lowbrow and only makes your argument look weak in the field of public opinion. You have to this point compared Slaton to Chris Johnson, and I would tend to say you are a little high on Slaton. Johnson has ridiculous long Tds in both college and pro, most folks would say CJ has a lot more god given talent...I watched Slaton a lot as I followed the Big East being a USF fan and usually West Virginia was there every year. Watched Slaton a lot, liked his talent when he was a Sophomore in college, wasn't surprised he did well as a rookie but you need to be honest about the injury he had. It was a bad one, and every injury impacts players differently. Some guys can come back from an ACL tear in 6 months like Rod Woodson did one year back in the 90s IIRC...others it takes well over a year maybe even 2 years before they are fully healed. Johnson had a disc fused and there were x-rays passed aroudn the internet, looked hideous to most. There is plenty of reason to be skeptical of Slaton in 2010, especially with a team that drafted a RB in the 2nd round to make a tandem which might be good for Slaton, and also as of right now has Arian Foster at the top of the depth charts if I have been reading reports correctly. We all have an open mind about the situation, but the bottom line is Houston does not have a very good OL to boot either, the end prize might not be worth getting caught up in.

Cheers,

MOP

 

[sholditch]

I just drafted Slaton pretty late in a dynasty draft and I am interested to hear more about this injury.

 

[sholditch]

It is for the same reason, imo, the Texans drafted Tate. Slaton had his neck fused together. There is a ton of risk.

Here is a links to the issue from ESPN's Stephania Bell:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id...or-a-compliment

ESPN's resident physical therapist Stephania Bell weighs in on Steve Slaton.

The good news for Slaton is that he woke up feeling better immediately. Not everyone does. What that does seem to indicate is that this was certainly the problematic area and that pressure relief around that nerve root had an immediate impact. That is very good news for his prognosis (however not a guarantee that symptoms won't return).

That said, fusions are a serious matter. Even with advanced techniques, it's worth remembering that surgery requires going deep into the neck to access the vertebrae -- and there are very delicate structures right nearby -- the spinal cord and all of the nerves that exit out toward the arms. No one enters into this surgery lightly. (Sidebar: that makes Peyton Manning's recent surgery serious no matter how lightly it's being treated -- when you talk about the spine, it's not like doing a routine knee scope.)

Back to Slaton: We are supposed to have movement between each vertebral segment, not only for normal motion but it helps disperse the load of weightbearing borne through the head and neck. When you fuse a segment, the other segments above and below necessarily have to compensate some for that new stiff segment. This can mean that down the line, you can have problems (hypermobility or too much movement) at adjacent segments as they are naturally subject to more stress and strain.

Also, with a running back, the concern relates to the type of hits they take, often putting their head down and leading with their shoulder to gain extra yardage. It may be one of the reasons we see them suffering concussions more often when they collide with would-be tacklers. Any axial (meaning vertical through the head and neck) load is going to be potentially more threatening to an athlete who has a cervical fusion. Not necessarily in a quantifiable way, and there are a number of variables at play, but the bottom line is that the neck is not as adaptable to those loads, simply because of the history.

Running backs can also suffer stingers when they take a big hit to the neck or shoulder that either stretches the neck away from the shoulder or jams it toward the shoulder. Knowing there is a history of nerve irritation and potentially a less mobile cervical spine (neck), etc., a stinger may be more problematic following this type of injury.

He will need to work diligently to strengthen the stabilizing muscles around his neck (very deep muscles) as well as all the muscles in the upper back that help support the neck. While he can very well be cleared to return -- and he can indeed go on to have success and not have another major incident -- there is inherently more risk, simply because of what he has been through. -- Stephania Bell

This barth did me so wrong last year listening to her stupid crap. She apparently knows NOTHING about football or a player's ability to deal with or play with an injury. Seriously, her advice alone last year cost me several games.

 

[T with T]

CJ had similar inj and came back... thats what im saying everyone is lookin at the inj and taking it all bad... he may be stronger pre surg and as far as speed slaton has plenty of it.. he was fine playing at 200 like he did as a rook no need to go to 215 which was dumb and then with the pinched nerve in neck that hurt his year... as far as name calling DING BAT isn't enough to get your panties in a bunch.. I wasn't talkin about all the guys on here obviously because I have a few buds on here I was calling out the HATERS who troll on message boards looking to put negative energy/fear about a player and then come to find out that its all BS... Foster is first on depth chart because that is only guy who is playing... tate had hammy and slaton couldn't have contact... moats,brown two bums that stole tons of carries last year are outta there.. If I remember correctly Slaton has been cleared and he is 100 percent according to him and his doctors and has been cleared for full contact 2 weeks before camp.... Foster will not be rb1 come sept... talent wise slaton is better then all 3 of them schmucks... yes I am high on slaton... as a rook he had 268 carries 1268 yards 10 tds and 50 catches for another almost 500 yards... me comparing slaton to cj was one made before last year coming into the 09 season... Slaton was 7th in ppr leagues with about 258 and CJ had 257 which was 8th..... I think if slaton is healthy and used correctly he can be a 250 plus scorer and has god given talent bud..... so put that in your pipe and smoke it

 

[Warpig]

CJ had similar inj and came back... thats what im saying everyone is lookin at the inj and taking it all bad... he may be stronger pre surg and as far as speed slaton has plenty of it.. he was fine playing at 200 like he did as a rook no need to go to 215 which was dumb and then with the pinched nerve in neck that hurt his year... as far as name calling DING BAT isn't enough to get your panties in a bunch.. I wasn't talkin about all the guys on here obviously because I have a few buds on here I was calling out the HATERS who troll on message boards looking to put negative energy/fear about a player and then come to find out that its all BS... Foster is first on depth chart because that is only guy who is playing... tate had hammy and slaton couldn't have contact... moats,brown two bums that stole tons of carries last year are outta there.. If I remember correctly Slaton has been cleared and he is 100 percent according to him and his doctors and has been cleared for full contact 2 weeks before camp.... Foster will not be rb1 come sept... talent wise slaton is better then all 3 of them schmucks... yes I am high on slaton... as a rook he had 268 carries 1268 yards 10 tds and 50 catches for another almost 500 yards... me comparing slaton to cj was one made before last year coming into the 09 season... Slaton was 7th in ppr leagues with about 258 and CJ had 257 which was 8th..... I think if slaton is healthy and used correctly he can be a 250 plus scorer and has god given talent bud..... so put that in your pipe and smoke it

...and he's really good at putting the ball on the ground for the other team to scoop up!

 

[H.K.]

... moats,brown two bums that stole tons of carries last year are outta there..

Awesome.

 

[TheFanatic]

It is for the same reason, imo, the Texans drafted Tate. Slaton had his neck fused together. There is a ton of risk.

Here is a links to the issue from ESPN's Stephania Bell:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id...or-a-compliment

ESPN's resident physical therapist Stephania Bell weighs in on Steve Slaton.

The good news for Slaton is that he woke up feeling better immediately. Not everyone does. What that does seem to indicate is that this was certainly the problematic area and that pressure relief around that nerve root had an immediate impact. That is very good news for his prognosis (however not a guarantee that symptoms won't return).

That said, fusions are a serious matter. Even with advanced techniques, it's worth remembering that surgery requires going deep into the neck to access the vertebrae -- and there are very delicate structures right nearby -- the spinal cord and all of the nerves that exit out toward the arms. No one enters into this surgery lightly. (Sidebar: that makes Peyton Manning's recent surgery serious no matter how lightly it's being treated -- when you talk about the spine, it's not like doing a routine knee scope.)

Back to Slaton: We are supposed to have movement between each vertebral segment, not only for normal motion but it helps disperse the load of weightbearing borne through the head and neck. When you fuse a segment, the other segments above and below necessarily have to compensate some for that new stiff segment. This can mean that down the line, you can have problems (hypermobility or too much movement) at adjacent segments as they are naturally subject to more stress and strain.

Also, with a running back, the concern relates to the type of hits they take, often putting their head down and leading with their shoulder to gain extra yardage. It may be one of the reasons we see them suffering concussions more often when they collide with would-be tacklers. Any axial (meaning vertical through the head and neck) load is going to be potentially more threatening to an athlete who has a cervical fusion. Not necessarily in a quantifiable way, and there are a number of variables at play, but the bottom line is that the neck is not as adaptable to those loads, simply because of the history.

Running backs can also suffer stingers when they take a big hit to the neck or shoulder that either stretches the neck away from the shoulder or jams it toward the shoulder. Knowing there is a history of nerve irritation and potentially a less mobile cervical spine (neck), etc., a stinger may be more problematic following this type of injury.

He will need to work diligently to strengthen the stabilizing muscles around his neck (very deep muscles) as well as all the muscles in the upper back that help support the neck. While he can very well be cleared to return -- and he can indeed go on to have success and not have another major incident -- there is inherently more risk, simply because of what he has been through. -- Stephania Bell

This barth did me so wrong last year listening to her stupid crap. She apparently knows NOTHING about football or a player's ability to deal with or play with an injury. Seriously, her advice alone last year cost me several games.

And she told me a whole lotta nothin with this right here. That's 3 minutes of my life I will never get back...

 

[WVU Alum]

CJ had similar inj and came back... thats what im saying everyone is lookin at the inj and taking it all bad... he may be stronger pre surg and as far as speed slaton has plenty of it.. he was fine playing at 200 like he did as a rook no need to go to 215 which was dumb and then with the pinched nerve in neck that hurt his year... as far as name calling DING BAT isn't enough to get your panties in a bunch.. I wasn't talkin about all the guys on here obviously because I have a few buds on here I was calling out the HATERS who troll on message boards looking to put negative energy/fear about a player and then come to find out that its all BS... Foster is first on depth chart because that is only guy who is playing... tate had hammy and slaton couldn't have contact... moats,brown two bums that stole tons of carries last year are outta there.. If I remember correctly Slaton has been cleared and he is 100 percent according to him and his doctors and has been cleared for full contact 2 weeks before camp.... Foster will not be rb1 come sept... talent wise slaton is better then all 3 of them schmucks... yes I am high on slaton... as a rook he had 268 carries 1268 yards 10 tds and 50 catches for another almost 500 yards... me comparing slaton to cj was one made before last year coming into the 09 season... Slaton was 7th in ppr leagues with about 258 and CJ had 257 which was 8th..... I think if slaton is healthy and used correctly he can be a 250 plus scorer and has god given talent bud..... so put that in your pipe and smoke it

...and he's really good at putting the ball on the ground for the other team to scoop up!

He had no feeling in his hands. He fumbled little before the injury. He has feeling back now. These dots could connect...

 

[Fear & Loathing]

CJ had similar inj and came back... thats what im saying everyone is lookin at the inj and taking it all bad... he may be stronger pre surg and as far as speed slaton has plenty of it.. he was fine playing at 200 like he did as a rook no need to go to 215 which was dumb and then with the pinched nerve in neck that hurt his year... as far as name calling DING BAT isn't enough to get your panties in a bunch.. I wasn't talkin about all the guys on here obviously because I have a few buds on here I was calling out the HATERS who troll on message boards looking to put negative energy/fear about a player and then come to find out that its all BS... Foster is first on depth chart because that is only guy who is playing... tate had hammy and slaton couldn't have contact... moats,brown two bums that stole tons of carries last year are outta there.. If I remember correctly Slaton has been cleared and he is 100 percent according to him and his doctors and has been cleared for full contact 2 weeks before camp.... Foster will not be rb1 come sept... talent wise slaton is better then all 3 of them schmucks... yes I am high on slaton... as a rook he had 268 carries 1268 yards 10 tds and 50 catches for another almost 500 yards... me comparing slaton to cj was one made before last year coming into the 09 season... Slaton was 7th in ppr leagues with about 258 and CJ had 257 which was 8th..... I think if slaton is healthy and used correctly he can be a 250 plus scorer and has god given talent bud..... so put that in your pipe and smoke it

...and he's really good at putting the ball on the ground for the other team to scoop up!

He had no feeling in his hands. He fumbled little before the injury. He has feeling back now. These dots could connect...

Except for the major fumbling issues he had at West Virginia. IIRC, he led the nation in fumbles one year.