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Steve Young (1 Viewer)
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gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
"really good"?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
No question in my mind.
moleculo
Footballguy
I see 8 really good years, 2x NFL MVP and SB MVP.
Liquid Courage
Footballguy
I say no.
He was good.. Was he Terry Bradshaw, Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana, Sid Luckman, Bart Starr, or John Elway good?
No.
He was good.. Was he Terry Bradshaw, Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana, Sid Luckman, Bart Starr, or John Elway good?
No.
TheAristocrat
Footballguy
Everyone should get to go to the HOF. Imagine how special everyone would feel if everyone was in the HOF!
I'm crossing my fingers for this. Why leave anyone out? Everyone is a HOFer in my eyes.
I'm crossing my fingers for this. Why leave anyone out? Everyone is a HOFer in my eyes.
moleculo
Footballguy
Code:
| 1991 sfo | 11 | 180 279 64.5 2517 9.0 17 8 | 66 415 4 || 1992 sfo | 16 | 268 402 66.7 3465 8.6 25 7 | 76 537 4 || 1993 sfo | 16 | 314 462 68.0 4023 8.7 29 16 | 69 407 2 || 1994 sfo | 16 | 324 461 70.3 3969 8.6 35 10 | 58 293 7 || 1995 sfo | 11 | 299 447 66.9 3200 7.2 20 11 | 50 250 3 || 1996 sfo | 12 | 214 316 67.7 2410 7.6 14 6 | 52 310 4 || 1997 sfo | 15 | 241 356 67.7 3029 8.5 19 6 | 50 199 3 || 1998 sfo | 15 | 322 517 62.3 4170 8.1 36 12 | 70 454 6 |
DawnBTVS
Footballguy
I counted 7 seasons where he had 20+ total TDs between passing and rushing.
Career 64% passer with a career 8.0 YPA, that's after being a starter on a bad team and a backup for 6 years.
Career 5.87 YPC with 43 rushing TDs.
He had a career 2.17 TD to INT Ratio (2.57 excluding his TB seasons).
Had arguably his best season ever statistically the year before he was forced to retire due to concussion.
Has 2 Super Bowl rings and 1 Super Bowl MVP award.
Also had his NFL career "delayed" a few years by playing in the USFL. He debuted in the NFL at 24 years old.
I'd say he was a lock.
Career 64% passer with a career 8.0 YPA, that's after being a starter on a bad team and a backup for 6 years.
Career 5.87 YPC with 43 rushing TDs.
He had a career 2.17 TD to INT Ratio (2.57 excluding his TB seasons).
Had arguably his best season ever statistically the year before he was forced to retire due to concussion.
Has 2 Super Bowl rings and 1 Super Bowl MVP award.
Also had his NFL career "delayed" a few years by playing in the USFL. He debuted in the NFL at 24 years old.
I'd say he was a lock.
Statler & Waldorf
Footballguy
We're also forgetting to point out that his career passing rating is 96.8......tops of all time. At the start of the 2007 season, only 6 quarterbacks had a rating of 90+ for their career.
pinda
Footballguy
link pleasethat would be interesting considering Rice caught more TD balls from Young than Montana, would be a very interesting read on why he thought that.
DawnBTVS
Footballguy
Yeah, and Montana may not have been successful if Bill Walsh stayed in college football coaching at Stanford.We work with what we have.
moleculo
Footballguy
49'ers record with Young > Montana. When given the choice between the two, head coach George Seifert traded Montana and kept Young.
Brutis
Footballguy
That is up for debate. What Isn't up for debate was how bad Young was in TB. Thats fact. HTH
thesurfshop19
Footballguy
I personally think Montana was a better QB by a decent margin. However, from 1992 to 1994, Steve Young and Mike Shanahan took the 49ers' offense to levels it had never reached under Joe Montana and Bill Walsh. That particularly offensive stretch was the best in 49ers' history and among the best in league history.Rice was on record as stating that he didn't think Steve Young was as good at reading defenses as Joe Montana, which rings true to me. However, Young's added mobility did bring something to the table to offset that at least to some degree.
At any rate, I think Young deserves to be in by a comfortable margin because he took the 49ers' offense to new heights, won 2 MVPs, and beat the Cowboys dynasty to get to a Super Bowl title.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
He's got more Super Bowl rings than Elway.
Dought Man
Footballguy
People always fail to look at the rushing stats for Young. He had a lot of yards and 43 TD's on the ground. The guy was a top tier QB for atleast 6 seasons IMO.
thesurfshop19
Footballguy
He's going to get you on the technicality that Young won 2 rings as a backup to Montana (although he did contribute some to their regular season campaigns).Brian Griese has more rings than Dan Marino, too.
moleculo
Footballguy
only if you count the SB he didn't play in and/or the SB where he only saw mop-up duty.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Steve Young was far better than Bradshaw.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
No he doesn't, but neither does John Stallworth or Lynn Swann. Yes, their teams were successful, but it does take a whole team to have success. It apparently helps to know the right people. Unimpressive career stats and you can still get in... Let's put all the guys in who only had a couple years of good stats, heck, let people in who only have a couple really good games....
Liquid Courage
Footballguy
Not according to TommyGilmore's Calculations of Goodness via Super Bowl Rings. 4 Super Bowl Rings > 3 Super Bowl Rings - Thus Bradshaw is better then Young.Steve Young was far better than Bradshaw.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Are you not the one who claimed Bradshaw was better than Young?Not according to TommyGilmore's Calculations of Goodness via Super Bowl Rings. 4 Super Bowl Rings > 3 Super Bowl Rings - Thus Bradshaw is better then Young.Steve Young was far better than Bradshaw.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Sure, as soon as he gets 4 more Pro-Bowls, 2 more Super-Bowl rings, and about 130 more TDs.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
It is the Pro Football Hall of Fame, so the USFL counts.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Jerry Rice's opinion is not the determining factor, even if he did play with both for a long time.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Yeah but do those TB teams count as "professional"?
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Yes. Really.
nflguru
Footballguy
I've always thought Young was a better QB than Montana.. He had a better arm and his mobility provided an additional element that Montana did not have..
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Mark Wimer
Moderator
Excellent post. Young shouldn't be penalized because he backed up Joe Montana for such a long time. Once he got his shot, he was supercalifragilisticexpeallodosius good. Definitely HOF material.
DoubleG
Footballguy
You left out about 40 more rushing TD's and about 1,500 rushing yards.Young was almost as accurate as Montana (I'd still give Joe the edge in "passer ability" - i.e. reading defenses, accuracy, etc.) but Steve Young was as mobile as Michael Vick. Imagine how good Vick would have been if he could actually pass (and had Jerry Rice to throw toSure, as soon as he gets 4 more Pro-Bowls, 2 more Super-Bowl rings, and about 130 more TDs.
) = Steve YoungAnd Young actually has the highest passer rating of all time (I believe that was alread posted). How can this even be a discussion??
bigfeet_88
Footballguy
HOF QBs in case you guys want to compare (modern day at the end):
George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975
Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983
Len Dawson 1957-1975
Otto Graham 1946-1955
Bob Griese 1967-1980
Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974
Bobby Layne 1948-1962
Joe Namath 1965-1977
Bart Starr 1956-1971
Roger Staubach 1969-1979
Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978
Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964
Johnny Unitas 1956-1973
Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960
Bob Waterfield 1945-1952
Steve Young 1985-1999
Troy Aikman 1989-2000
John Elway 1983-1998
Dan Fouts 1973-1987
Jim Kelly 1986-1996
Dan Marino 1983-1999
Joe Montana 1979-1994
Warren Moon 1984-2000
George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975
Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983
Len Dawson 1957-1975
Otto Graham 1946-1955
Bob Griese 1967-1980
Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974
Bobby Layne 1948-1962
Joe Namath 1965-1977
Bart Starr 1956-1971
Roger Staubach 1969-1979
Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978
Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964
Johnny Unitas 1956-1973
Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960
Bob Waterfield 1945-1952
Steve Young 1985-1999
Troy Aikman 1989-2000
John Elway 1983-1998
Dan Fouts 1973-1987
Jim Kelly 1986-1996
Dan Marino 1983-1999
Joe Montana 1979-1994
Warren Moon 1984-2000
Mark Wimer
Moderator
Ha ha. If Jim Sorgi comes in after Manning is retired and accomplishes what Steve Young did, then I'll be all for him going to the HOF too. The point I was making is that Young was a world class QB once he got his shot. Did you ever watch him play? I did...He was as dominant in his time as Tom Brady is this year.
CheeseHead
Footballguy
From Rice's Sirius Satellite Radio Show. Heard it with my own ears. A called called in and simply asked "Who was better- Montana or Young?" Rice actually mentioned what you just said about the TD catches. He said as close to a quote as I can remember "I actually caught more passes and TD's from Steve, but to me Joe Montana will always be the best QB I ever played with and in the history of the NFL. "We had a special connection... etc... He also said that when Young became the QB- it was hard to adjust to the way he threw the ball. He said that Montana had an amazing ability to put the ball where Jerry was GOING to be and where only he could catch it, while Young would throw it up and Rice would have to GO get it to make the play.... Several members of the board have talked about the quotes from Rice before, I think in one of the greatest QB ever threads...
Its no lie and you are flat out wrong. Rice did say that, I heard it, have read it several places, and have actually heard Jerry say similar things in other interviews.... How do you know Jerry would NEVER say that--- because Young played with Rice longer and in Rice's true prime- theres no way Rice could think Montana was a better QB?? That makes no sense... Call Jerry on his radio show and ask him....By the way, I do think Young is a hall of famer and great QB.. He's just not as good as Montana...BusterTBronco said:
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switz
Footballguy
Are you really asking this???
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