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[Sweet Love]

Just heard thyis on Sirius...I had not heard anything about it, so I thought it would be worth posting.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/st...F5?OpenDocument

St. Louis Rams' Steven Jackson has offseason back surgery

By Jim Thomas

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

05/05/2010

Rams Pro Bowl running back Steven Jackson underwent back surgery in early April to repair a herniated disc he suffered in late November of last season.

"It was a minor procedure," coach Steve Spagnuolo told the Post-Dispatch on Tuesday evening. "He feels great. It's really not a big deal."

But Spagnuolo did say Jackson probably would be held out of at least the start of organized team activities — the full-squad practice sessions that begin May 18 at Rams Park. "Just to be sure," Spagnuolo said.

And there's a chance Jackson could be held out of practices until the start of training camp at the end of July.

Originally, Jackson hoped that rest and rehab would help the back heal. But when the back didn't respond, he opted for surgery, which took place in California less than a month ago. The surgery removed the herniated piece of the disc.

The prognosis is good, and it's believed the surgery won't hamper his NFL career or his longevity. But back injuries are tricky, and there are obviously no guarantees.

Jackson has been at Rams Park this week doing rehab work on his back but did not respond to a text message seeking comment. One of Jackson's agents declined to comment, referring all questions on the matter to the Rams.

The surgery obviously is a sensitive subject at Rams Park, particularly given the team's inability to add a strong backup to Jackson via the draft or free agency.

The Rams brought in former Pittsburgh Steeler Willie Parker for a pre-draft visit, but he was never offered a contract and ended up signing with Washington.

Former Philadelphia Eagle Brian Westbrook took a physical in St. Louis on April 24, the last day of the draft. But Westbrook, who has knee, ankle, and concussion issues, left without a contract offer from the Rams and will take his time considering his options.

Fresno State's Ryan Mathews was the only running back known to have been brought in for a pre-draft visit by St. Louis. He was taken 12th overall in the draft by San Diego.

Detroit general manager Martin Mayhew said the Lions traded up into the first round for California running back Jahvid Best at No. 30 overall in part because he thought the Rams might select Best at No. 33 overall, or just ahead of Detroit in the second round.

At the moment, the Rams have only Kenneth Darby and Chris Ogbonnaya as returning veterans behind Jackson on the depth chart. The team did sign running backs Keith Toston of Oklahoma State and De'Maundray Woolridge of Idaho as rookie free agents after the draft, and both players took part in last weekend's rookie minicamp.

Jackson suffered his back injury in the Rams' Nov. 22 home game against Arizona last season. He said after that game that he wasn't sure if it occurred on any one specific play. Except for a handful of plays, Jackson didn't practice the rest of the season. What was originally described as back spasms turned out to be a herniated disc.

Jackson toughed it out, playing in five of the team's final six games. (He missed the Dec. 27 road game at Arizona.) Although his workload stayed high, his production dipped after the injury, although that partly could have been caused by injuries on the offensive line. Jackson averaged 103 rushing yards over his first 10 games. After the injury, he averaged 77 rushing yards a game in his final five contests.

Jackson earned his second Pro Bowl berth after finishing with 1,416 rushing yards, the sixth-highest total in franchise history and the second-best total of his career. But he chose not to participate to rest his back.

 

[Mr.Underhill]

Count me as a skeptic about his future prognosis.

I'm not a doctor, but back problems that involve discs seem to be degenerative in nature.

That's not to say he isn't capable of having a top 10 finish. But I definitely drop him a couple of spots due to the increased risk of injury.

Back problems are one place where I consider a first injury as an increased risk of further injury or re-injury.

 

[doowain]

Count me as a skeptic about his future prognosis.I'm not a doctor, but back problems that involve discs seem to be degenerative in nature.That's not to say he isn't capable of having a top 10 finish. But I definitely drop him a couple of spots due to the increased risk of injury.Back problems are one place where I consider a first injury as an increased risk of further injury or re-injury.

You're right.....you're not a doctor. So, maybe you shouldn't assume so much.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Glad he had it done. Lots of people have lamis and suffer no ill consequence. Recovery is quick.

 

[Abrantes]

In a sense, I was relieved when I heard this. This injury started bothering late in the 2009 season, around week 11 (or at least that's when the fans heard about) and it clearly hampered him on the field. A combination of pain and tentativeness. I'm always wary when athletes try to heal injuries through rest when surgery is the accepted procedure, so I'm just glad that the surgery's out of the way and he can get better. Whatever it takes for him to be 100% (or close to it) by the start of the season.

That said, it does make me worry about the fact that the team still doesn't have a suitable backup to take to load off of his shoulders.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Just heard thyis on Sirius...I had not heard anything about it, so I thought it would be worth posting.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/st...F5?OpenDocument

St. Louis Rams' Steven Jackson has offseason back surgery

By Jim Thomas

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

05/05/2010

Rams Pro Bowl running back Steven Jackson underwent back surgery in early April to repair a herniated disc he suffered in late November of last season.

"It was a minor procedure," coach Steve Spagnuolo told the Post-Dispatch on Tuesday evening. "He feels great. It's really not a big deal."

But Spagnuolo did say Jackson probably would be held out of at least the start of organized team activities — the full-squad practice sessions that begin May 18 at Rams Park. "Just to be sure," Spagnuolo said.

And there's a chance Jackson could be held out of practices until the start of training camp at the end of July.

Originally, Jackson hoped that rest and rehab would help the back heal. But when the back didn't respond, he opted for surgery, which took place in California less than a month ago. The surgery removed the herniated piece of the disc.

The prognosis is good, and it's believed the surgery won't hamper his NFL career or his longevity. But back injuries are tricky, and there are obviously no guarantees.

Jackson has been at Rams Park this week doing rehab work on his back but did not respond to a text message seeking comment. One of Jackson's agents declined to comment, referring all questions on the matter to the Rams.

The surgery obviously is a sensitive subject at Rams Park, particularly given the team's inability to add a strong backup to Jackson via the draft or free agency.

The Rams brought in former Pittsburgh Steeler Willie Parker for a pre-draft visit, but he was never offered a contract and ended up signing with Washington.

Former Philadelphia Eagle Brian Westbrook took a physical in St. Louis on April 24, the last day of the draft. But Westbrook, who has knee, ankle, and concussion issues, left without a contract offer from the Rams and will take his time considering his options.

Fresno State's Ryan Mathews was the only running back known to have been brought in for a pre-draft visit by St. Louis. He was taken 12th overall in the draft by San Diego.

Detroit general manager Martin Mayhew said the Lions traded up into the first round for California running back Jahvid Best at No. 30 overall in part because he thought the Rams might select Best at No. 33 overall, or just ahead of Detroit in the second round.

At the moment, the Rams have only Kenneth Darby and Chris Ogbonnaya as returning veterans behind Jackson on the depth chart. The team did sign running backs Keith Toston of Oklahoma State and De'Maundray Woolridge of Idaho as rookie free agents after the draft, and both players took part in last weekend's rookie minicamp.

Jackson suffered his back injury in the Rams' Nov. 22 home game against Arizona last season. He said after that game that he wasn't sure if it occurred on any one specific play. Except for a handful of plays, Jackson didn't practice the rest of the season. What was originally described as back spasms turned out to be a herniated disc.

Jackson toughed it out, playing in five of the team's final six games. (He missed the Dec. 27 road game at Arizona.) Although his workload stayed high, his production dipped after the injury, although that partly could have been caused by injuries on the offensive line. Jackson averaged 103 rushing yards over his first 10 games. After the injury, he averaged 77 rushing yards a game in his final five contests.

Jackson earned his second Pro Bowl berth after finishing with 1,416 rushing yards, the sixth-highest total in franchise history and the second-best total of his career. But he chose not to participate to rest his back.

Thanks. This kind of post is exactly the kind of stuff that makes the Shark Pool great. Thank you.

J

 

[Mark Wimer]

Just heard thyis on Sirius...I had not heard anything about it, so I thought it would be worth posting.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/st...F5?OpenDocument

St. Louis Rams' Steven Jackson has offseason back surgery

By Jim Thomas

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

05/05/2010

Rams Pro Bowl running back Steven Jackson underwent back surgery in early April to repair a herniated disc he suffered in late November of last season.

"It was a minor procedure," coach Steve Spagnuolo told the Post-Dispatch on Tuesday evening. "He feels great. It's really not a big deal."

But Spagnuolo did say Jackson probably would be held out of at least the start of organized team activities — the full-squad practice sessions that begin May 18 at Rams Park. "Just to be sure," Spagnuolo said.

And there's a chance Jackson could be held out of practices until the start of training camp at the end of July.

Originally, Jackson hoped that rest and rehab would help the back heal. But when the back didn't respond, he opted for surgery, which took place in California less than a month ago. The surgery removed the herniated piece of the disc.

The prognosis is good, and it's believed the surgery won't hamper his NFL career or his longevity. But back injuries are tricky, and there are obviously no guarantees.

Jackson has been at Rams Park this week doing rehab work on his back but did not respond to a text message seeking comment. One of Jackson's agents declined to comment, referring all questions on the matter to the Rams.

The surgery obviously is a sensitive subject at Rams Park, particularly given the team's inability to add a strong backup to Jackson via the draft or free agency.

The Rams brought in former Pittsburgh Steeler Willie Parker for a pre-draft visit, but he was never offered a contract and ended up signing with Washington.

Former Philadelphia Eagle Brian Westbrook took a physical in St. Louis on April 24, the last day of the draft. But Westbrook, who has knee, ankle, and concussion issues, left without a contract offer from the Rams and will take his time considering his options.

Fresno State's Ryan Mathews was the only running back known to have been brought in for a pre-draft visit by St. Louis. He was taken 12th overall in the draft by San Diego.

Detroit general manager Martin Mayhew said the Lions traded up into the first round for California running back Jahvid Best at No. 30 overall in part because he thought the Rams might select Best at No. 33 overall, or just ahead of Detroit in the second round.

At the moment, the Rams have only Kenneth Darby and Chris Ogbonnaya as returning veterans behind Jackson on the depth chart. The team did sign running backs Keith Toston of Oklahoma State and De'Maundray Woolridge of Idaho as rookie free agents after the draft, and both players took part in last weekend's rookie minicamp.

Jackson suffered his back injury in the Rams' Nov. 22 home game against Arizona last season. He said after that game that he wasn't sure if it occurred on any one specific play. Except for a handful of plays, Jackson didn't practice the rest of the season. What was originally described as back spasms turned out to be a herniated disc.

Jackson toughed it out, playing in five of the team's final six games. (He missed the Dec. 27 road game at Arizona.) Although his workload stayed high, his production dipped after the injury, although that partly could have been caused by injuries on the offensive line. Jackson averaged 103 rushing yards over his first 10 games. After the injury, he averaged 77 rushing yards a game in his final five contests.

Jackson earned his second Pro Bowl berth after finishing with 1,416 rushing yards, the sixth-highest total in franchise history and the second-best total of his career. But he chose not to participate to rest his back.

Thanks. This kind of post is exactly the kind of stuff that makes the Shark Pool great. Thank you.

J

Everything I read/heard earlier in the offseason was that Jackson was working on rehabbing without surgery. I guess the no-surgery approach wasn't working.MW

 

[Sweet Love]

In a sense, I was relieved when I heard this. This injury started bothering late in the 2009 season, around week 11 (or at least that's when the fans heard about) and it clearly hampered him on the field. A combination of pain and tentativeness. I'm always wary when athletes try to heal injuries through rest when surgery is the accepted procedure, so I'm just glad that the surgery's out of the way and he can get better. Whatever it takes for him to be 100% (or close to it) by the start of the season.

That said, it does make me worry about the fact that the team still doesn't have a suitable backup to take to load off of his shoulders.

This is the biggest takeaway for me. I am not a doctor, so I have no clue how Jackson will be feeling come autumn (although, I tend to think back issues are not very good). But I do find it interesting that he had the surgery in early April, and although they had a huge hole in the backup RB slot, the Rams still were not aggressive/motivated enough to take another RB. I understand that they have a lot of holes in general, but with a rookie QB, my thought would be that they would want as strong a running game as possible.

 

[Mark Wimer]

In a sense, I was relieved when I heard this. This injury started bothering late in the 2009 season, around week 11 (or at least that's when the fans heard about) and it clearly hampered him on the field. A combination of pain and tentativeness. I'm always wary when athletes try to heal injuries through rest when surgery is the accepted procedure, so I'm just glad that the surgery's out of the way and he can get better. Whatever it takes for him to be 100% (or close to it) by the start of the season.

That said, it does make me worry about the fact that the team still doesn't have a suitable backup to take to load off of his shoulders.

This is the biggest takeaway for me. I am not a doctor, so I have no clue how Jackson will be feeling come autumn (although, I tend to think back issues are not very good). But I do find it interesting that he had the surgery in early April, and although they had a huge hole in the backup RB slot, the Rams still were not aggressive/motivated enough to take another RB. I understand that they have a lot of holes in general, but with a rookie QB, my thought would be that they would want as strong a running game as possible.

Herniated disks are a reason for concern. For one thing, it illustrates how the wear-and-tear of being the Rams' only legitimate NFL weapon on offense is starting to manifest in injury problems for Jackson. Secondly, you are right back injuries often become nagging items (swelling, nerve issues, etc) once they are inflicted on a player. Hopefully, the surgery corrected the problem but Jackson would have preferred to avoid surgery and was trying to rehab the issue without surgical intervention. That the problem wouldn't heal naturally indicates to me that it was a more serious injury than initially diagnosed/revealed. After doing the Monday injury report for Footballguys in-season for almost a decade, back injuries are a huge red flag for me (along with degenerative conditions in the knees and ligament/tendon injuries). These types of injuries seem to be more prone to developing into ongoing issues for players, as opposed to a broken limb, for example. When a break heals, the bone is (in most cases) stronger than it was prior to the injury. Cartilage injuries/"loose bodies" (bone chips and chunks of torn cartilage, usually)/rotator cuff injuries/ligament-tendon injuries - these often have trouble healing fully due to the relatively low amount of blood flow to connective tissues/cartilage.

I'll be watching Jackson's practice participation during training camp/preseason carefully. His offense isn't in very good shape with him in the lineup at 100% - without him at 100% the Rams' O could be catastrophically bad during 2010.

 

[az_prof]

Count me as a skeptic about his future prognosis.I'm not a doctor, but back problems that involve discs seem to be degenerative in nature.That's not to say he isn't capable of having a top 10 finish. But I definitely drop him a couple of spots due to the increased risk of injury.Back problems are one place where I consider a first injury as an increased risk of further injury or re-injury.

Me too. If you haven't had to deal with back pain you have no clue. And surgery on the back is very, very tricky. That being said, I am shocked the team didn't address Jackson's backups in the draft or FA. I can't see Darby or Ogonb as legitimate starting RBs. Darby had an amazing slow 40 time. There are no backs who are as slow who have been good starting RBs in the NFL.

 

[karmarooster]

Count me as a skeptic about his future prognosis.I'm not a doctor, but back problems that involve discs seem to be degenerative in nature.That's not to say he isn't capable of having a top 10 finish. But I definitely drop him a couple of spots due to the increased risk of injury.Back problems are one place where I consider a first injury as an increased risk of further injury or re-injury.

You're right.....you're not a doctor. So, maybe you shouldn't assume so much.

this two person play is present in every single thread about a medical issue.... the actors just change.

 

[az_prof]

Count me as a skeptic about his future prognosis.I'm not a doctor, but back problems that involve discs seem to be degenerative in nature.That's not to say he isn't capable of having a top 10 finish. But I definitely drop him a couple of spots due to the increased risk of injury.Back problems are one place where I consider a first injury as an increased risk of further injury or re-injury.

You're right.....you're not a doctor. So, maybe you shouldn't assume so much.

this two person play is present in every single thread about a medical issue.... the actors just change.

Except you don't have to be a medical doctor to have an informed opinion about health issues.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Count me as a skeptic about his future prognosis.

I'm not a doctor, but back problems that involve discs seem to be degenerative in nature.

That's not to say he isn't capable of having a top 10 finish. But I definitely drop him a couple of spots due to the increased risk of injury.

Back problems are one place where I consider a first injury as an increased risk of further injury or re-injury.

They can be degenerative or caused by a trauma event (Such as getting hit by Patrick Willis) - but either way the surgery should repair the issue.

 

[az_prof]

Count me as a skeptic about his future prognosis.

I'm not a doctor, but back problems that involve discs seem to be degenerative in nature.

That's not to say he isn't capable of having a top 10 finish. But I definitely drop him a couple of spots due to the increased risk of injury.

Back problems are one place where I consider a first injury as an increased risk of further injury or re-injury.

They can be degenerative or caused by a trauma event (Such as getting hit by Patrick Willis) - but either way the surgery should repair the issue.

Except getting screws in your back might leave you even more vulnerable to future injury when Willis hits you again. Plus, I personally know many people who have gotten back surgery and it did repair the issue. I don't know what the success rate is but it is far from 100%. It is much more risky than a typical ACL surgery.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Count me as a skeptic about his future prognosis.

I'm not a doctor, but back problems that involve discs seem to be degenerative in nature.

That's not to say he isn't capable of having a top 10 finish. But I definitely drop him a couple of spots due to the increased risk of injury.

Back problems are one place where I consider a first injury as an increased risk of further injury or re-injury.

They can be degenerative or caused by a trauma event (Such as getting hit by Patrick Willis) - but either way the surgery should repair the issue.

Except getting screws in your back might leave you even more vulnerable to future injury when Willis hits you again. Plus, I personally know many people who have gotten back surgery and it did repair the issue. I don't know what the success rate is but it is far from 100%. It is much more risky than a typical ACL surgery.

If he simply had a herniated disc, he didn't have screws. This isn't a fusion. They more than likely made a 1 1/2 inch incision and removed the piece of the disc that was rubbing on the nerve. Takes about an hour- hour and a half.

 

[heidbrink]

Crud! Segway now to the annual "why is sjax ranked top 5" thread.

Health has been an issue his detractors have pointed to in the past. This adds significant ammo to that argument.

Perhaps we can trade for Lynch.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Count me as a skeptic about his future prognosis.

I'm not a doctor, but back problems that involve discs seem to be degenerative in nature.

That's not to say he isn't capable of having a top 10 finish. But I definitely drop him a couple of spots due to the increased risk of injury.

Back problems are one place where I consider a first injury as an increased risk of further injury or re-injury.

They can be degenerative or caused by a trauma event (Such as getting hit by Patrick Willis) - but either way the surgery should repair the issue.

Except getting screws in your back might leave you even more vulnerable to future injury when Willis hits you again. Plus, I personally know many people who have gotten back surgery and it did repair the issue. I don't know what the success rate is but it is far from 100%. It is much more risky than a typical ACL surgery.

He had a herniated disc - doesn't require a spinal fusion surgery.

 

[cvnpoka]

Count me as a skeptic about his future prognosis.

I'm not a doctor, but back problems that involve discs seem to be degenerative in nature.

That's not to say he isn't capable of having a top 10 finish. But I definitely drop him a couple of spots due to the increased risk of injury.

Back problems are one place where I consider a first injury as an increased risk of further injury or re-injury.

thats not true at all.disc hernias run along a very wide range of prognosis. some drs believe that an absurd amount of ppl have some sort of herniated disc. they are either asymptomatic or have minor pain. obv, most ppl are not engaging in high level collisions.

that he played decently with the injury is promising. that he had surgery is worrisome. that surgery in this day and age is phenomenal is promising. that the team did not pick up any sort of capable rb is promising.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Count me as a skeptic about his future prognosis.I'm not a doctor, but back problems that involve discs seem to be degenerative in nature.That's not to say he isn't capable of having a top 10 finish. But I definitely drop him a couple of spots due to the increased risk of injury.Back problems are one place where I consider a first injury as an increased risk of further injury or re-injury.

You're right.....you're not a doctor. So, maybe you shouldn't assume so much.

this two person play is present in every single thread about a medical issue.... the actors just change.

Except you don't have to be a medical doctor to have an informed opinion about health issues.

When I want a technical discussion of a sports injury, I ask one of the medical Dr.'s on staff to help me out, or in cases of nerve injuries/trauma I ask my children's godmother, Lorraine, who is a neurologist, for an explanation. Or I call up a local expert in whatever injured part of the body is in question. Over the years I've discussed/read about/observed umpteen types of injuries with the help of an assortment of medical opinions (both verbally in person and in various print/online documents) from surgeons, doctors, nurses, therapists and etc. At this point in time I'm a well-informed layperson with no formal medical training. That I have no formal medical training doesn't mean I don't have a valid opinion about a likely prognosis for NFL players suffering from any given injury. I don't have precise knowledge of Steven Jackson's situation (only he and his doctors have that), but I do know that back problems in general and herniated disks in particular are often the beginning of an ongoing regimen of palliatives (pain-killers) and week-to-week treatments (massage therapists/chiropractors/team doctor treatments) for the players so afflicted. My .

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Count me as a skeptic about his future prognosis.I'm not a doctor, but back problems that involve discs seem to be degenerative in nature.That's not to say he isn't capable of having a top 10 finish. But I definitely drop him a couple of spots due to the increased risk of injury.Back problems are one place where I consider a first injury as an increased risk of further injury or re-injury.

You're right.....you're not a doctor. So, maybe you shouldn't assume so much.

this two person play is present in every single thread about a medical issue.... the actors just change.

Except you don't have to be a medical doctor to have an informed opinion about health issues.

Of course, just about anyone can have an informed opinion. But that doesn't make that opinion fantasy-relevant. While it's annoying to see thread snipers pick out a couple of words to attack a post, it's equally absurd to read about how Joe Keyboard had a similar injury, so that means blah blah blah when it comes to millionaire athletes with world-class trainers tending to their care. That adds zero insight into how that injury will impact that athlete. It has the fantasy value of grandpa sitting in his chair going "back in my day..."Steven Jackson doesn't fight with his HMO and wait to see his doctor, who has so many patients scheduled that day he's literally flying through his schedule. When a poster can supplement his informed opinion with the trainers who tended to his injury with the kind of personal care afforded NFL athletes, it might have a bit more fantasy relevance. Assuming, of course, the poster is in NFL-athlete shape. Which I'm sure is the case on the Internet.

 

[Sabertooth]

In dynasty those that have him need to hold him. His value doesn't seem super duper high anymore, nothing like it was going into last season. So you can't sell low on a guy that could potentially lead all fantasy RBs in scoring. HOLD.

 

[karmarooster]

Count me as a skeptic about his future prognosis.I'm not a doctor, but back problems that involve discs seem to be degenerative in nature.That's not to say he isn't capable of having a top 10 finish. But I definitely drop him a couple of spots due to the increased risk of injury.Back problems are one place where I consider a first injury as an increased risk of further injury or re-injury.

You're right.....you're not a doctor. So, maybe you shouldn't assume so much.

this two person play is present in every single thread about a medical issue.... the actors just change.

Except you don't have to be a medical doctor to have an informed opinion about health issues.

i'm just saying, in any medical thread Person 1 says "i'm not a doctor, but this is really bad/no big deal" then person 2 says "well you're not a doctor so u don't know jack" then person 1 says "I can still have an opinion!"repeat ad nauseam...

 

[doowain]

Count me as a skeptic about his future prognosis.I'm not a doctor, but back problems that involve discs seem to be degenerative in nature.That's not to say he isn't capable of having a top 10 finish. But I definitely drop him a couple of spots due to the increased risk of injury.Back problems are one place where I consider a first injury as an increased risk of further injury or re-injury.

You're right.....you're not a doctor. So, maybe you shouldn't assume so much.

this two person play is present in every single thread about a medical issue.... the actors just change.

Except you don't have to be a medical doctor to have an informed opinion about health issues.

i'm just saying, in any medical thread Person 1 says "i'm not a doctor, but this is really bad/no big deal" then person 2 says "well you're not a doctor so u don't know jack" then person 1 says "I can still have an opinion!"repeat ad nauseam...

I've had this wicked rash....ummm.....down south for about a month. Could one of you with your strong opinions please give me a prognosis? TIA.This reminds me of one of those "No, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night" commercials.

 

[KingEl]

Count me as a skeptic about his future prognosis.I'm not a doctor, but back problems that involve discs seem to be degenerative in nature.That's not to say he isn't capable of having a top 10 finish. But I definitely drop him a couple of spots due to the increased risk of injury.Back problems are one place where I consider a first injury as an increased risk of further injury or re-injury.

You're right.....you're not a doctor. So, maybe you shouldn't assume so much.

this two person play is present in every single thread about a medical issue.... the actors just change.

Except you don't have to be a medical doctor to have an informed opinion about health issues.

i'm just saying, in any medical thread Person 1 says "i'm not a doctor, but this is really bad/no big deal" then person 2 says "well you're not a doctor so u don't know jack" then person 1 says "I can still have an opinion!"repeat ad nauseam...

I had disk removal or shaving surgery to fix a herinated disc in my back that was putting pressure on the sciatic nerve- which I beleive what Jackson was dealing with. At the time, I was told a 92% success rate with no pain in the future, but that my disc would be a weak spot for the rest of my life. Although the doctors say the surgery went perfectly, the MRI's show the disc off of the nerve, I am in the same pain as before, my left leg is weaker than my right-- 2 years later... I'm in the 8% it didn't work for, but even if I was in the 92%- I can't imagine being an NFL player and not having it be an ongoing problem.

 

[doowain]

I think we're missing the fact that he still put up over 1400 yards rushing with a gimpy back last year and 8-9 guys in the box every play. He just had surgery to alleviate the pain. After fixing his back and the team around him getting better, are you all expecting him to perform at a level lower than he did last year?

 

[cvnpoka]

I had disk removal or shaving surgery to fix a herinated disc in my back that was putting pressure on the sciatic nerve- which I beleive what Jackson was dealing with. At the time, I was told a 92% success rate with no pain in the future, but that my disc would be a weak spot for the rest of my life. Although the doctors say the surgery went perfectly, the MRI's show the disc off of the nerve, I am in the same pain as before, my left leg is weaker than my right-- 2 years later... I'm in the 8% it didn't work for, but even if I was in the 92%- I can't imagine being an NFL player and not having it be an ongoing problem.

i would recommend engaging in squats and deadlifts. no, this is not a joke. strengthen your spinal erectors (muscles along the spine) and it may take pressure off the discs. start super low and add weight every workout. see the book starting strength by rippetoe for explicit directions.

 

[Sup_Yo]

I had disk removal or shaving surgery to fix a herinated disc in my back that was putting pressure on the sciatic nerve- which I beleive what Jackson was dealing with. At the time, I was told a 92% success rate with no pain in the future, but that my disc would be a weak spot for the rest of my life. Although the doctors say the surgery went perfectly, the MRI's show the disc off of the nerve, I am in the same pain as before, my left leg is weaker than my right-- 2 years later... I'm in the 8% it didn't work for, but even if I was in the 92%- I can't imagine being an NFL player and not having it be an ongoing problem.

i would recommend engaging in squats and deadlifts. no, this is not a joke. strengthen your spinal erectors (muscles along the spine) and it may take pressure off the discs. start super low and add weight every workout. see the book starting strength by rippetoe for explicit directions.

Starting Strength is an excellent book. Highly recommended, as I made huge gains using his program.

 

[Tanner9919]

Just heard thyis on Sirius...I had not heard anything about it, so I thought it would be worth posting.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/st...F5?OpenDocument

St. Louis Rams' Steven Jackson has offseason back surgery

By Jim Thomas

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

05/05/2010

Rams Pro Bowl running back Steven Jackson underwent back surgery in early April to repair a herniated disc he suffered in late November of last season.

"It was a minor procedure," coach Steve Spagnuolo told the Post-Dispatch on Tuesday evening. "He feels great. It's really not a big deal."

But Spagnuolo did say Jackson probably would be held out of at least the start of organized team activities — the full-squad practice sessions that begin May 18 at Rams Park. "Just to be sure," Spagnuolo said.

And there's a chance Jackson could be held out of practices until the start of training camp at the end of July.

Originally, Jackson hoped that rest and rehab would help the back heal. But when the back didn't respond, he opted for surgery, which took place in California less than a month ago. The surgery removed the herniated piece of the disc.

The prognosis is good, and it's believed the surgery won't hamper his NFL career or his longevity. But back injuries are tricky, and there are obviously no guarantees.

Jackson has been at Rams Park this week doing rehab work on his back but did not respond to a text message seeking comment. One of Jackson's agents declined to comment, referring all questions on the matter to the Rams.

The surgery obviously is a sensitive subject at Rams Park, particularly given the team's inability to add a strong backup to Jackson via the draft or free agency.

The Rams brought in former Pittsburgh Steeler Willie Parker for a pre-draft visit, but he was never offered a contract and ended up signing with Washington.

Former Philadelphia Eagle Brian Westbrook took a physical in St. Louis on April 24, the last day of the draft. But Westbrook, who has knee, ankle, and concussion issues, left without a contract offer from the Rams and will take his time considering his options.

Fresno State's Ryan Mathews was the only running back known to have been brought in for a pre-draft visit by St. Louis. He was taken 12th overall in the draft by San Diego.

Detroit general manager Martin Mayhew said the Lions traded up into the first round for California running back Jahvid Best at No. 30 overall in part because he thought the Rams might select Best at No. 33 overall, or just ahead of Detroit in the second round.

At the moment, the Rams have only Kenneth Darby and Chris Ogbonnaya as returning veterans behind Jackson on the depth chart. The team did sign running backs Keith Toston of Oklahoma State and De'Maundray Woolridge of Idaho as rookie free agents after the draft, and both players took part in last weekend's rookie minicamp.

Jackson suffered his back injury in the Rams' Nov. 22 home game against Arizona last season. He said after that game that he wasn't sure if it occurred on any one specific play. Except for a handful of plays, Jackson didn't practice the rest of the season. What was originally described as back spasms turned out to be a herniated disc.

Jackson toughed it out, playing in five of the team's final six games. (He missed the Dec. 27 road game at Arizona.) Although his workload stayed high, his production dipped after the injury, although that partly could have been caused by injuries on the offensive line. Jackson averaged 103 rushing yards over his first 10 games. After the injury, he averaged 77 rushing yards a game in his final five contests.

Jackson earned his second Pro Bowl berth after finishing with 1,416 rushing yards, the sixth-highest total in franchise history and the second-best total of his career. But he chose not to participate to rest his back.

great info!

I was more worried about the 1548 career carries and 281 career receptions before reading this, but now , I'm completely skeptical of Sjax going forward..whether or not the back becomes a huge problem for him, the fact remains, he has a large volume of completed work on his body and eventually it has to begin taking it's toll..

he'll be 27 in July..about the same age that Portis began to break down.

 

[Young 8]

S Jax without surgery = injury risk, owners worried

S Jax with surgery = injury risk, oweners worried

exactly, what the guy should do ???

I love internet

 

[Nagle2998]

I know nothing at all about the medical profession don't even watch ER but I do know that every procedure isn't the same. I also know that Jackson will have much better doctors and rehab staff then 99.9% of us if not higher. He also has a much more physical job then most of us so really we have zero idea about how he will be with this.

 

[moderated]

I wouldn't touch this guy at his current value in dynasties. Back problems are a nightmare for athletes, especially ones who get hit 20+ times a game.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

I was more worried about the 1548 career carries and 281 career receptions before reading this, but now , I'm completely skeptical of Sjax going forward..whether or not the back becomes a huge problem for him, the fact remains, he has a large volume of completed work on his body and eventually it has to begin taking it's toll..he'll be 27 in July..about the same age that Portis began to break down.

Gosh, 27 must be the new 30. Citing another player that declined at the same age is statistically pointless. There are going to be many examples that support as well as many that oppose that logic. And let's be clear, it wasn't just now that you became "completely skeptical of Sjax going forward"... you hated him last year as well. And let's be equally clear, you tirelessly pimped Portis last year a a stone cold lock top drawer RB; congrats on being a year late to reality.Do you still believe the 370 carry myth?~~~~~Sorry about that, Tanner's unique, ahem, logic always rubs me the wrong way. The back is definitely a significant concern with Steven Jackson. I love the guy, he is a beast and a lot of fun to watch and I have had him on my dynasty team from day 1. He showed great heart playing through pain last year... but RBs and bad backs just scare me. Jackson is not on my team any more.If he shows he is healthy in camp and the preseason, I would feel confident in drafting him in a redraft. But the longer term risk associated with a bad back is too big a concern, imo, to invest a lot in him in a dynasty.

 

[heidbrink]

I wouldn't touch this guy at his current value in dynasties. Back problems are a nightmare for athletes, especially ones who get hit 20+ times a game.

Jackson's style of play is particularly problematic wrt back issues I would think. He doesn't get hit, he hits them. Like ADP, he's a very punishing runner rather than an elusive type.The Rams have got to get a competent RB backup. I know we've looked at Westy and FWP and signed neither. I don't believe at all that Westy is a guy who would make you feel better about RB depth visa vis injury concerns. FWP isn't as dinged up but he hasn't been "fast" Willie for a while now. Looking around the league we see that Buffalo has a glut at the RB position. It just seems to me that the Rams ought to try to pry Marshawn Lynch away from the Bills. In addition to keeping fresh legs on the field, and hopefully Jackson healthy down the stretch, the two could definitely trade hair care tips. We'd have the baddest looking couple of RB's in football.With a rookie QB in Sam Bradford, this team will need to lean on the run this year more than ever...and everybody knows it. The last thing we need to happen is for Stephen Jackson to lose game time to injury. If not Lynch, I would hope for/expect the Rams to address a backup RB somehow.

 

[KingEl]

I had disk removal or shaving surgery to fix a herinated disc in my back that was putting pressure on the sciatic nerve- which I beleive what Jackson was dealing with. At the time, I was told a 92% success rate with no pain in the future, but that my disc would be a weak spot for the rest of my life. Although the doctors say the surgery went perfectly, the MRI's show the disc off of the nerve, I am in the same pain as before, my left leg is weaker than my right-- 2 years later... I'm in the 8% it didn't work for, but even if I was in the 92%- I can't imagine being an NFL player and not having it be an ongoing problem.

i would recommend engaging in squats and deadlifts. no, this is not a joke. strengthen your spinal erectors (muscles along the spine) and it may take pressure off the discs. start super low and add weight every workout. see the book starting strength by rippetoe for explicit directions.

Thanks for the info. I still do exercises that I learning in PT, but will read the book and incorporate that in. Back pain is a hell of a thing. I had friends with problems, and I used to scoff at them when they complained. Then it hit me, and it's a serious deal. I hope SJax does well with recovery- not only for his carrear, but quality of life.

 

[KingEl]

I think we're missing the fact that he still put up over 1400 yards rushing with a gimpy back last year and 8-9 guys in the box every play. He just had surgery to alleviate the pain. After fixing his back and the team around him getting better, are you all expecting him to perform at a level lower than he did last year?

His back wasn't a problem until late in the year, and it did hurt his production alot. He should start the season healthy and be a monster producer, but once the disc in herniated, even after the shaving or repair, it's weaker than before and just takes a hit to reherniate. It has to be a worry.