Straight Truth about Society and Civilization (1 Viewer)

[Sweet J]

Very few people truly assimilate without changing the host culture or society in some (sometimes nearly imperceptible) way.

Racist Ben Franklin didn't want Germans being admitted to the US in any meaningful numbers for this reason.  

Learn some history.

1.  This is your thread.  You are trying to prove some weird point, that is still indecipherable.  If one of your points is: "when people come to America they don't assimilate" (Q: is that one of your points?), then try and back it up with something other than "it happens all the time."  I wrote earlier that there is, indeed, actual research on this very issue, including how many generations it takes for a cultural shift in the descendants of an immigrant. You ignored that post, and instead say: "very few people truly assimilate" (and don't even try and hide your "no true scotsman" fallacy) with nothing to back it up.

There is also common sense:  My grandfather is an honest to god, just-off-the-boat Ellis-Island Italian.  Didn't know English when he got here.  I have not even the inkling of Italian language or culture, other than knowing how to make a killer stewed beef spaghetti sauce and having a temper and grumpy disposition that likely comes straight from the Old Man. I can think of dozens of friends who are in similar situations.  Families from India, Mexico, Honduras, Russia, Africa, China, Japan.  

But sure, I'm the one that needs to learn history.  

 

[Captain Quinoa]

The only way it doesn't is if we assume that the existing culture was perfect and that any changes were automatically for the worst. 

why would we have to assume it was perfect?

 

[Captain Quinoa]

That's an interaction between cultural ideas and values, not races.  If race truly determined culture, there would be no mechanism for anyone anywhere to assimilate into a different culture.  There is correlation between race and culture, but not causation.  

Think this through, man.  You're saying that race determines culture.  Then you're saying that your culture is superior.  It follows that all other races (along with their causally determined cultures) are inferior.  How is that not racist? 

i did?

 

[Captain Quinoa]

I have not even the inkling of Italian language or culture,

You have to go back

But sure, I'm the one that needs to learn history.

Correct

 

[Bonzai]

i did?

Yes

Here:

• Some cultures really are superior to other cultures. If it were not so, millions of those from the lesser cultures would not be escaping into the homelands of the better cultures.
  

 

[roadkill1292]

why would we have to assume it was perfect?

What is it about you guys that you always talk in riddles? You're not sitting on some great secret knowledge that only you and a select few others possess, you know. Does somebody coach you all on how to slyly dodge answering questions directly and do they tell you that it's the most effective method for convincing others of your truth?

 

[Sweet J]

You have to go back

Correct

LOL.  You are such a fantastic troll.  I've asked multiple times what you are really getting at, and you refuse to answer straight.  That's cool.  Are you trying to have a real conversation, or just say funny one liners? 

So, you posted a lot of bullet points.  I'm curious, in your own words, which ones do you believe?  Or, let's not even use the word believe.  Which ones do you support? I'd gladly discuss, if that is what you are after. 

 

[EYLive]

Don't feed the trolls. They serve no purpose other than their own amusement.

 

[Lutherman2112]

Very few people truly assimilate without changing the host culture or society in some (sometimes nearly imperceptible) way.

Racist Ben Franklin didn't want Germans being admitted to the US in any meaningful numbers for this reason.  

Learn some history.

I'm shocked that a slave owning man whose newspaper regularly ran notices involving the sale or purchase of slaves would consider other men and women as subhuman.