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You have no clue what you are talking about. Culture is derived from many things, religion and race being two of the most significant components.
But that's not what the OP said.
He felt compelled to add "of their genes" and "by their genes" to this bullet. Those six words are the key to why it's racist. Culture is no longer learned and influenceable but rather is ingrained and immutable. If you accept that premise, you can use it to justify anything up to and including genocide.
Well to be honest, I stopped after that bullet in the OP. I'm sure there's some choice material that follows.Big fan Eephus!
FWIW, I was not responding to the OP. But your point is spot on. "Genes" have nothing to do with it, and I'd call that a stupid and racist idea.
Eh, great topic, lousy site in the OP.
You badly misunderstand Moynihan. He never wrote anything like what you're representing here.
Have you read the report yet Tim? Because if I remember correctly when we debated this a few years ago, you said that you hadn't read it but had read about it.
I read a lot of different sites Sid. I go out of my way to listen to all sides to guard against confirmation bias.
Do we really need to have a dialogue about whether or not people of different races can share cultural values/ideas? Didn't realize this was a left/right issue.
We do need to have a discussion about whether or not different cultures can make for a sustained, effective country. Does multi-culturalism work? To be honest the track record of this in world history isn't that great. Do you think multiculturalism is a strength in this country? As we have become more and more multicultural the last 50 years are we better off as a society? Or are we becoming more vulnerable and more fractured?
Yes, I've read it. I've also read the Playboy interview with Moynihan from 1974 where he discusses certain regrets he has with it.
These aren't the questions raised in the OP. If you'd like to discuss them, I suggest you start a new thread as to avoid the stench of the the OP.
Point taken. I didn't like the tie-in to genetics and made that known. But to be honest, I'd like to at least allow the OP to provide additional context on this. It's the immediate dismissal of debate that really has me concerned these days.
Does race exist?
Well I've never been to the site other than this article but I'm still not seeing "dark"
You've said this, at least twice, in this thread and I am having a difficult time seeing science play a part in societal makeup or however you're attempting to use "science" to help your point of view. Please elaborate.
Culture definitely matters. But the OP is going way, way further than that by drawing a direct connection between culture and race. That's the part that's unwarranted and racist.
Disagree. The discussion we need to have should be around if the intolerant segment of cretins who reject and label others will ever be able to see beyond simply labeling groups of people, and maybe if more people could get past it, maybe that would make for a more sustained, effective country?
Wait a minute, he didn't suggest a racial factor to black culture? Are you hearing yourself?
This is the best post in the whole thread. It's hysterical hearing Liberals screaming about how race doesn't matter in one thread, and then screaming about how it is everything in the other threads. What's sad is I don't even think they realize it.Extra melanin lives matter!
Who are the intolerant segment of cretins who use race as a wedge? Liberals? I've been screaming about that for years. I have argued ad nauseum in here that America needs to start acting color blind in all cases, and I'm told over and over by Liberals that race always matters.
A link from a site that promoted the Clintons-connected to-Vince-Foster-murder conspiracy crap?
Looking at your quote ... I think in truth, deep down inside, all human beings label and reject others along some line or another. If it's not along society's prevailing racial constructs, it's along some some other construct. It's what we do as Homo sapiens.
If the shoe fits... It has to be said - many of the Liberals in here have become so bigoted (lookup the word in the dictionary) that it's embarrassing to witness. This thread is a prime example. They are being invited to have a reasoned discussion on the pros and cons of multiculturalism and they are fundamentally incapable of doing it - responding with name calling, one liners "Don't even bother"...Knew you'd throw this crap out
The photo and the story is out there all over the Internet. Not sure why you continue to add non-value comments like that. It matters nothing. The story and picture are true and highlight the idiocy of some on the Left today - one of the main websites of the Left doesn't even know the true meaning of the word diversity. I think it comes from the same place as challenging the source rather than accepting that it's clearly true.
