Students turned away from schools for not having vaccinations (1 Viewer)

[Dickies]

I see a lot of brave blah,blah,blah here. Really you're going to divorce your wife over this? You're going to give her half your stuff and the kids? No you wouldn't. You'd do what he's doing.

I have to disabuse my wife of silly crap all the time. Always have. She's smart but too trusting of others motives and opinions. So the kids would get their shots and I would give the wannabe doctor an earful but there would be no proceedings as this hill can be taken without dying on it.

Yea, it's ultimately a non-issue. Maybe my first post was overblown a bit. She took them in over the Thanksgiving break (she is a teacher). I was really upset over the whole thing and probably made her throw her shield up in defense. They got vaccinated last year, and will be getting theirs on Monday. She has already admitted it was wrong and apologized, but she gets overly nervous about the kids' health. Credit to this thread for prompting me to just call and get them scheduled. People get scared when they are bombarded by bad information. How many women were brainwashed by Oprah having Jenny McCarthy on her show every week? I am convinced that is the root of the problem.

I'm curious - you say you eventually convince her each time to get the kids vaccinated, but has she ever brought them in by herself for the vaccinations or are usually there each time (alone or with her)?

I'm asking because I think a really big part of the reluctance is often that the fear of causing harm by action is so much greater than the fear of causing harm by inaction.

The amateur psychologist in me would guess that she recognizes (with your help) that it's more rational to have them vaccinated, and she gets by the fear of action by having you be the one to do it. If anything does go wrong, she has you to blame more than just herself.

But that's just my wild guess.

As for the bolded, I think this is pretty much it. I have always been at the appointments where shots are involved.too, but 100% doubt she would blame me if anything happened to them. She agrees about 360 days of the year that Andrew Wakefield's findings were totally bogus, but she spent years watching Oprah and is really into everything being "organic" and "all natural" and "chemical free". When it comes time to actually get the kid vaccinated she gets nervous.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I think choosing to give your kids vaccination shots should be as optional as choosing to give them food and shelter. Which is to say not at all if you want to keep them.

 

[renesauz]

Let the whack jobs that endanger all of the other kids home school their own brats. Great rule.

no children here, and probably a stupid question, but if all the other kids were vaccinated wouldn't only the whack job kids be in trouble?

Not sure if this was answered later, but....

The problem is that there are a handful of kids that CAN'T get the shots for one reason or another, such as an allergy to a component of the vaccine. These kids get a pass on the vaccinations for a good reason. The foolish families who have not vaccinated their kids by choice actually increase the risk to those kids who had no choice.

If the risk were solely to those whose families chose not to vaccinate, the argument would be much more difficult regarding forcing vaccinations.

 

[renesauz]

Let the whack jobs that endanger all of the other kids home school their own brats. Great rule.

no children here, and probably a stupid question, but if all the other kids were vaccinated wouldn't only the whack job kids be in trouble?

Some kids can't be vaccinated due to compromised immune systems.

so these kids with compromised immune systems aren't allowed in school then?

Those kids' parents don't have a choice, so yes they are allowed to go to school.

if this is the case, it doesn't make much sense. non vaccinated is non vaccinated. shouldn't matter the reason.

wow

sorry as this is text and may have come across cold which was not my intention. but why would the reason a child isn't vaccinated, be it the family believes it may harm the child or the child has a compromised immune system matter? if a vaccinated person is what the school deems is needed for the protection of the masses shouldn't it be black and white? you are either vaccinated and able to attend or you are not and can't.

You missed the point. If the overwhelming majority ARE vaccinated, then the few un-vaccinated become pretty safe (herd immunity). There is no ethical reason to keep a kid who CAN'T get vaccinated due to an allergy out of school in that scenario. BUT...if too many people who could get the vaccine CHOOSE not to, the safety for those kids who couldn't get the shot goes down...and that isn't fair to them at all.

The whole opposition to vaccinations is beyond silly to start with, having begun in earnest based on a falsified paper that claimed vaccines increased autism rates (later debunked).

 

[Joe Summer]

Australian school has outbreak of chicken pox

Just 73.2 percent of students at the school had been immunized, compared to 92 percent within that postcode district and 90.4 percent in all of Victoria

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Great policy. My wife and I have been fighting about this for a while now. We have a chiropractor friend who thinks she is some ####### doctor and says the immune system will cure all of these issues with diet and exercise. I tell my wife it is nonsense and convince her every year to get our kids vaccinated, but this friend is relentless with my wife on telling her that we should not be vaccinating. Our kids just went for their 4-year check up and I had to work so I couldn't go for the first time, but she opted them out of the vaccines.

Now the battle has heated up and it is infuriating to me. I half hope our friends' kid gets whooping cough just to prove my point.

Have you spent any time researching why some vaccines are bad? What reasons does you wife give for not wanting to vaccinate? Those things are loaded with chemicals.

So no research?

 

[matuski]

Great policy. My wife and I have been fighting about this for a while now. We have a chiropractor friend who thinks she is some ####### doctor and says the immune system will cure all of these issues with diet and exercise. I tell my wife it is nonsense and convince her every year to get our kids vaccinated, but this friend is relentless with my wife on telling her that we should not be vaccinating. Our kids just went for their 4-year check up and I had to work so I couldn't go for the first time, but she opted them out of the vaccines.

Now the battle has heated up and it is infuriating to me. I half hope our friends' kid gets whooping cough just to prove my point.

Have you spent any time researching why some vaccines are bad? What reasons does you wife give for not wanting to vaccinate? Those things are loaded with chemicals.

So no research?

We did research.. we listed all kinds of horrible things that are loaded with chemicals.

Crazy how we are surrounded by the damn things... you can't go anywhere without bumping into them.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Great policy. My wife and I have been fighting about this for a while now. We have a chiropractor friend who thinks she is some ####### doctor and says the immune system will cure all of these issues with diet and exercise. I tell my wife it is nonsense and convince her every year to get our kids vaccinated, but this friend is relentless with my wife on telling her that we should not be vaccinating. Our kids just went for their 4-year check up and I had to work so I couldn't go for the first time, but she opted them out of the vaccines.

Now the battle has heated up and it is infuriating to me. I half hope our friends' kid gets whooping cough just to prove my point.

Have you spent any time researching why some vaccines are bad? What reasons does you wife give for not wanting to vaccinate? Those things are loaded with chemicals.

So no research?

Are you saying kids shouldn't be given shots? I'm not entirely sure what the point of your posts are.