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[Reepicheep]

Go Limp for the Trojan Man

 

[Steel Dillo]

Didn't the Raiders trade away their 1st round pick for the stud that is Carson Palmer?

 

[Buckna]

Didn't the Raiders trade away their 1st round pick for the stud that is Carson Palmer?

Conditional 2nd Round pick in 2013. If the Raiders make the AFC Title game it becomes their 1st.

 

[Reepicheep]

Didn't the Raiders trade away their 1st round pick for the stud that is Carson Palmer?

Conditional 2nd Round pick in 2013. If the Raiders make the AFC Title game it becomes their 1st.

From what I read this is not correct. It's the 2nd round 2013 pick and that will not / can not change.My link

 

[Raider Nation]

Thread title updated pending further developments.

Versus Baylor today: 45-51, 656 yards, 8 TDs. More TD passes than incompletions.

On the season: 20 TDs, 0 INTs.

Now if he can just play against Baylor's defense in the NFL.

 

[bonesman]

"We blow for Geno"

 

[Raider Nation]

"We blow for Geno"

I like it, but that won't last 5 seconds in the thread title.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

haha he found his man

 

[JAA]

Crazy that baylor hung 63 on WVU, but Geno had a game for the ages. Stedman will be coming out and Tavon is dangerous in any mans game.

I see Stedman as a Marvin Harrison clone, close to Miles Austin. Great route running, better hands, overall excellent WR without the pure measurables.

Geno Smith? Im as a huge WVU homer as you will find. I have never seen a QB performance like I witnessed today. Will I ever see it again? Give me another Baylor Offense and Defense paired with a Dana Holgerson offense ... maybe

peas

 

[bonesman]

"We blow for Geno"

I like it, but that won't last 5 seconds in the thread title.

"Be Low for Geno" ?

 

[SacramentoBob]

Aim low for Geno.

 

[azgroover]

Crazy that baylor hung 63 on WVU, but Geno had a game for the ages. Stedman will be coming out and Tavon is dangerous in any mans game.

I see Stedman as a Marvin Harrison clone, close to Miles Austin. Great route running, better hands, overall excellent WR without the pure measurables.

Geno Smith? Im as a huge WVU homer as you will find. I have never seen a QB performance like I witnessed today. Will I ever see it again? Give me another Baylor Offense and Defense paired with a Dana Holgerson offense ... maybe

peas

I think the system is the key. These gawdy numbers are very Ware/Klingler-esque.

 

[Raider Nation]

Crazy that baylor hung 63 on WVU, but Geno had a game for the ages. Stedman will be coming out and Tavon is dangerous in any mans game.

I see Stedman as a Marvin Harrison clone, close to Miles Austin. Great route running, better hands, overall excellent WR without the pure measurables.

Geno Smith? Im as a huge WVU homer as you will find. I have never seen a QB performance like I witnessed today. Will I ever see it again? Give me another Baylor Offense and Defense paired with a Dana Holgerson offense ... maybe

peas

I think the system is the key. These gawdy numbers are very Ware/Klingler-esque.

How about RG3's system at Baylor?

 

[Native]

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Crazy that baylor hung 63 on WVU, but Geno had a game for the ages. Stedman will be coming out and Tavon is dangerous in any mans game.

I see Stedman as a Marvin Harrison clone, close to Miles Austin. Great route running, better hands, overall excellent WR without the pure measurables.

Geno Smith? Im as a huge WVU homer as you will find. I have never seen a QB performance like I witnessed today. Will I ever see it again? Give me another Baylor Offense and Defense paired with a Dana Holgerson offense ... maybe

peas

I think the system is the key. These gawdy numbers are very Ware/Klingler-esque.

This is true to an extent, but we can still compare these QB stats to players who played in the same system in years prior. If a player's stats dominate the stats of past QBs who've played in the same system, it's generally a pretty good sign that this kid's success can't be solely placed on the system. None of WVU's last 3 QB's (Rasheed Marshall, Pat White, Jarret Brown) put up near the passing stats that Geno Smith has been putting up this year or last.

 

[azgroover]

Crazy that baylor hung 63 on WVU, but Geno had a game for the ages. Stedman will be coming out and Tavon is dangerous in any mans game.

I see Stedman as a Marvin Harrison clone, close to Miles Austin. Great route running, better hands, overall excellent WR without the pure measurables.

Geno Smith? Im as a huge WVU homer as you will find. I have never seen a QB performance like I witnessed today. Will I ever see it again? Give me another Baylor Offense and Defense paired with a Dana Holgerson offense ... maybe

peas

I think the system is the key. These gawdy numbers are very Ware/Klingler-esque.

This is true to an extent, but we can still compare these QB stats to players who played in the same system in years prior. If a player's stats dominate the stats of past QBs who've played in the same system, it's generally a pretty good sign that this kid's success can't be solely placed on the system. None of WVU's last 3 QB's (Rasheed Marshall, Pat White, Jarret Brown) put up near the passing stats that Geno Smith has been putting up this year or last.

I don't believe those guys played under Holgerson. Smith is having a great couple of years, but it wouldn't surprise me if another WVU QB comes along and improves on it, similar to how Klingler bested Ware. Holgerson is just on another level as an offensive mind.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Crazy that baylor hung 63 on WVU, but Geno had a game for the ages. Stedman will be coming out and Tavon is dangerous in any mans game.

I see Stedman as a Marvin Harrison clone, close to Miles Austin. Great route running, better hands, overall excellent WR without the pure measurables.

Geno Smith? Im as a huge WVU homer as you will find. I have never seen a QB performance like I witnessed today. Will I ever see it again? Give me another Baylor Offense and Defense paired with a Dana Holgerson offense ... maybe

peas

I think the system is the key. These gawdy numbers are very Ware/Klingler-esque.

This is true to an extent, but we can still compare these QB stats to players who played in the same system in years prior. If a player's stats dominate the stats of past QBs who've played in the same system, it's generally a pretty good sign that this kid's success can't be solely placed on the system. None of WVU's last 3 QB's (Rasheed Marshall, Pat White, Jarret Brown) put up near the passing stats that Geno Smith has been putting up this year or last.

I don't believe those guys played under Holgerson. Smith is having a great couple of years, but it wouldn't surprise me if another WVU QB comes along and improves on it, similar to how Klingler bested Ware. Holgerson is just on another level as an offensive mind.

Yeah my bad, you're right, Holgerson became WVU's offensive co-ordinator in 2011, Geno's 2nd year as starting QB.

 

[ZWK]

"We blow for Geno"

It's going from suck to blow!

 

[whatadai]

Suck Luck and Blow Geno? How did I wander into the gay part of the shark pool?

 

[SacramentoBob]

Kansas City is in the driver's seat here, IMO.

 

[JFS171]

Kansas City is in the driver's seat here, IMO.

Maybe, but that week 13 showdown at Arrowhead with my pathetic Panthers may make this interesting. I believe, though am not sure, that a H2H win by the Chiefs would make them fall behind the Panthers should both finish 2-14, right?Remaining Schedules:

Panthers - Tampa (L), @ Philly (Mon. Nighter - should be a L), @ Kansas City (?), Atlanta (L), @ San Diego (?), Oakland (?), @ New Orleans (L)

Three winnable games, a question mark @ Philly

Chiefs - Cincinnati (?), Denver (L), Carolina (?), @ Cleveland (?), @ Oakland (?), Indianapolis (L), Denver (L - could get interesting if Denver benches starters though)

Four winnable games...

 

[mr roboto]

I really think the Vikings end up with the first pick. Don't count them out yet but I'm sure they will mess it up.

Bump.

 

[Wadsworth]

Kansas City is in the driver's seat here, IMO.

Maybe, but that week 13 showdown at Arrowhead with my pathetic Panthers may make this interesting. I believe, though am not sure, that a H2H win by the Chiefs would make them fall behind the Panthers should both finish 2-14, right?Remaining Schedules:

Panthers - Tampa (L), @ Philly (Mon. Nighter - should be a L), @ Kansas City (?), Atlanta (L), @ San Diego (?), Oakland (?), @ New Orleans (L)

Three winnable games, a question mark @ Philly

Chiefs - Cincinnati (?), Denver (L), Carolina (?), @ Cleveland (?), @ Oakland (?), Indianapolis (L), Denver (L - could get interesting if Denver benches starters though)

Four winnable games...

The Jaguars never get any respect!

 

[deadlyrange0321]

I don't think Geno is all that great from what I've seen. Not sure I would really want to waste the No. 1 overall pick on him.

 

[Reaper]

Kansas City is in the driver's seat here, IMO.

Maybe, but that week 13 showdown at Arrowhead with my pathetic Panthers may make this interesting. I believe, though am not sure, that a H2H win by the Chiefs would make them fall behind the Panthers should both finish 2-14, right?Remaining Schedules:

Panthers - Tampa (L), @ Philly (Mon. Nighter - should be a L), @ Kansas City (?), Atlanta (L), @ San Diego (?), Oakland (?), @ New Orleans (L)

Three winnable games, a question mark @ Philly

Chiefs - Cincinnati (?), Denver (L), Carolina (?), @ Cleveland (?), @ Oakland (?), Indianapolis (L), Denver (L - could get interesting if Denver benches starters though)

Four winnable games...

The Jaguars never get any respect!

J E T S!!!!!!!! jets jets jets

 

[MAC_32]

Kansas City is in the driver's seat here, IMO.

Suck fest week 15 in Cleveland may go a long ways to deciding it, should know where the Jags stand at that point since they have a couple of winnable games before then but not then and after. Anything could happen week 17 I guess.

 

[JFS171]

Here's the thing though... if the Jags or Panthers end up first, they're not likely to draft another QB (Panthers less likely), and is anyone really going to trade up for Barkley or Smith? I'm not so sure...

If Carolina ended up first, I could easily see Star Loutilie (SP definitely wrong) being the first pick.

 

[Buffaloes]

Here's the thing though... if the Jags or Panthers end up first, they're not likely to draft another QB (Panthers less likely)

totally disagree

 

[Wadsworth]

Here's the thing though... if the Jags or Panthers end up first, they're not likely to draft another QB (Panthers less likely)

totally disagree

A lot might depend on potential changes to the front office and coaching staff in Jacksonville, but right now I would put the chances of the Jags taking a QB in the first at less than 10%.

 

[MAC_32]

Here's the thing though... if the Jags or Panthers end up first, they're not likely to draft another QB (Panthers less likely), and is anyone really going to trade up for Barkley or Smith? I'm not so sure...If Carolina ended up first, I could easily see Star Loutilie (SP definitely wrong) being the first pick.

If Carolina ends up #1 they won't be drafting a QB, but I also doubt they end up in that spot. They will find a way to take a couple of games. If Jax is #1 they are taking a QB though.

 

[Buffaloes]

Here's the thing though... if the Jags or Panthers end up first, they're not likely to draft another QB (Panthers less likely)

totally disagree

A lot might depend on potential changes to the front office and coaching staff in Jacksonville, but right now I would put the chances of the Jags taking a QB in the first at less than 10%.

you would def know better than I do, but that seems crazy to me. I think it's obvious that Gabbert is not going to be a franchise QB

 

[MAC_32]

Here's the thing though... if the Jags or Panthers end up first, they're not likely to draft another QB (Panthers less likely)

totally disagree

A lot might depend on potential changes to the front office and coaching staff in Jacksonville, but right now I would put the chances of the Jags taking a QB in the first at less than 10%.

Gene Smith is gone, new GM will want his own guy, Gabbert won't be back as the starter. Whether they trade for Tebow or pick a QB in the top 5 or something else, we'll see.

 

[cstu]

Here's the thing though... if the Jags or Panthers end up first, they're not likely to draft another QB (Panthers less likely)

totally disagree

A lot might depend on potential changes to the front office and coaching staff in Jacksonville, but right now I would put the chances of the Jags taking a QB in the first at less than 10%.

Gene Smith is gone, new GM will want his own guy, Gabbert won't be back as the starter. Whether they trade for Tebow or pick a QB in the top 5 or something else, we'll see.

Replace Gene Smith with Geno Smith?

 

[Wadsworth]

Here's the thing though... if the Jags or Panthers end up first, they're not likely to draft another QB (Panthers less likely)

totally disagree

A lot might depend on potential changes to the front office and coaching staff in Jacksonville, but right now I would put the chances of the Jags taking a QB in the first at less than 10%.

you would def know better than I do, but that seems crazy to me. I think it's obvious that Gabbert is not going to be a franchise QB

Gabbert is improving, the team has many more needs, there is not an Andrew Luck/RG3 level of prospect this year and the Jags could likely get a nice trade offer for the early pick if they decided to pass on a QB. It is a long trip from here to April, but at this point there is a very high probability that Blaine Gabbert is the Jags opening day starter in 2013.

 

[Wadsworth]

Here's the thing though... if the Jags or Panthers end up first, they're not likely to draft another QB (Panthers less likely)

totally disagree

A lot might depend on potential changes to the front office and coaching staff in Jacksonville, but right now I would put the chances of the Jags taking a QB in the first at less than 10%.

Gene Smith is gone, new GM will want his own guy, Gabbert won't be back as the starter. Whether they trade for Tebow or pick a QB in the top 5 or something else, we'll see.

If you think the Jaguars ever considered trading for Tebow as a potential starting QB it explains by the rest of your Jaguars information is so off base. The Jags wanted Tebow as a Wildcat/short yardage specialist and move TE/H-back. That is why Tebow wanted to go to the Jets, they at least pretended that he was going to have a shot at starting.

 

[MAC_32]

Here's the thing though... if the Jags or Panthers end up first, they're not likely to draft another QB (Panthers less likely)

totally disagree

A lot might depend on potential changes to the front office and coaching staff in Jacksonville, but right now I would put the chances of the Jags taking a QB in the first at less than 10%.

Gene Smith is gone, new GM will want his own guy, Gabbert won't be back as the starter. Whether they trade for Tebow or pick a QB in the top 5 or something else, we'll see.

Replace Gene Smith with Geno Smith?

 

[MAC_32]

Here's the thing though... if the Jags or Panthers end up first, they're not likely to draft another QB (Panthers less likely)

totally disagree

A lot might depend on potential changes to the front office and coaching staff in Jacksonville, but right now I would put the chances of the Jags taking a QB in the first at less than 10%.

Gene Smith is gone, new GM will want his own guy, Gabbert won't be back as the starter. Whether they trade for Tebow or pick a QB in the top 5 or something else, we'll see.

If you think the Jaguars ever considered trading for Tebow as a potential starting QB it explains by the rest of your Jaguars information is so off base. The Jags wanted Tebow as a Wildcat/short yardage specialist and move TE/H-back. That is why Tebow wanted to go to the Jets, they at least pretended that he was going to have a shot at starting.

I have no idea if the Jags want or ever wanted Tebow as a potential starting QB, it's just a dart throw. I won't pretend to know what a yet to be hired GM will want to do, but if the Jags finish with 2 or 3 wins keeping Gabbert is not an option. He's been largely terrible along with everything around him, the team won't ever go anywhere as long as he's the guy, he'll be the first one replaced by the new leadership...unless the coach goes too. Then he'd be first.

 

[Ray]

Throw (games) for Geno?

 

[SacramentoBob]

Kansas City is in the driver's seat here, IMO.

Maybe, but that week 13 showdown at Arrowhead with my pathetic Panthers may make this interesting. I believe, though am not sure, that a H2H win by the Chiefs would make them fall behind the Panthers should both finish 2-14, right?Remaining Schedules:

Panthers - Tampa (L), @ Philly (Mon. Nighter - should be a L), @ Kansas City (?), Atlanta (L), @ San Diego (?), Oakland (?), @ New Orleans (L)

Three winnable games, a question mark @ Philly

Chiefs - Cincinnati (?), Denver (L), Carolina (?), @ Cleveland (?), @ Oakland (?), Indianapolis (L), Denver (L - could get interesting if Denver benches starters though)

Four winnable games...

The Jaguars never get any respect!

You have two games remaining with Tennessee.

 

[cstu]

Kansas City is in the driver's seat here, IMO.

Suck fest week 15 in Cleveland may go a long ways to deciding it, should know where the Jags stand at that point since they have a couple of winnable games before then but not then and after. Anything could happen week 17 I guess.

KC winnable games: @CLEV week 14, @OAK week 15JAX winnable games: Jets week 14I expect the Jags to lose the rest of their games and if the Chiefs win one of those it will be the Jags with the #1.

 

[JuniorNB]

Here's the thing though... if the Jags or Panthers end up first, they're not likely to draft another QB (Panthers less likely)

totally disagree

A lot might depend on potential changes to the front office and coaching staff in Jacksonville, but right now I would put the chances of the Jags taking a QB in the first at less than 10%.

you would def know better than I do, but that seems crazy to me. I think it's obvious that Gabbert is not going to be a franchise QB

Gabbert is improving, the team has many more needs, there is not an Andrew Luck/RG3 level of prospect this year and the Jags could likely get a nice trade offer for the early pick if they decided to pass on a QB. It is a long trip from here to April, but at this point there is a very high probability that Blaine Gabbert is the Jags opening day starter in 2013.

Well then, they'll also compete for the first overall pick in 2014.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Kansas City is in the driver's seat here, IMO.

Suck fest week 15 in Cleveland may go a long ways to deciding it, should know where the Jags stand at that point since they have a couple of winnable games before then but not then and after. Anything could happen week 17 I guess.

KC winnable games: @CLEV week 14, @OAK week 15JAX winnable games: Jets week 14I expect the Jags to lose the rest of their games and if the Chiefs win one of those it will be the Jags with the #1.

Tennessee is just as winnable as Cleveland and Oakland. I think they have a better shot beating Tennessee than NYJ.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

as a KC fan I think there is a real chance that our worst nightmare will come true....we need a franchise QB in a bad way and might have the opportunity to get one.....but there is not one available....I don't see a slam dunk out there

the pressure to take a QB with their first pick...no matter what pick it is....will be tremendous...and KC will screw it up...and take the wrong guy....unfortunately the best option really may be for them to take BPA with first pick....and maybe try to put a band aid on the QB position in some other way for a short time....Vick, Flynn, Orton...something....and wait for the next "sure thing" sometime down the road and then mortgage the farm to get him....

I know the record doesn't indicate it, but this team really isn't THAT bad.....if they had a QB they could play with almost anybody....and quite honestly I could see them winning a few more games this year....

 

[delusional]

No Beano for Geno

 

[Time Kibitzer]

as a KC fan I think there is a real chance that our worst nightmare will come true....we need a franchise QB in a bad way and might have the opportunity to get one.....but there is not one available....I don't see a slam dunk out there

I think KC gets the #1 overall, but unfortunately for them I don't think Geno or Barkley is worthy of a #1 overall selection.

 

[delusional]

At this point, you have to include the eagles in this. Will a new coach & staff want the former coach's project QB?

 

[Buffaloes]

At this point, you have to include the eagles in this. Will a new coach & staff want the former coach's project QB?

Philly could lose out (doubtful) and they still wouldn't end up with a top 2 pick...imo

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

At this point, you have to include the eagles in this. Will a new coach & staff want the former coach's project QB?

Philly could lose out (doubtful) and they still wouldn't end up with a top 2 pick...imo

They'll be lucky to wind up with a top-10 draft pick. The Eagles don't play themselves out of contention early too often, but when they do, you can rest assured that they'll string together a meaningless late-season winning streak that accomplishes nothing but costing them valuable spots in the draft.Or, as a fellow Birds fan once put it, "They can't even up a season properly."

 

[JFS171]

Here's the thing though... if the Jags or Panthers end up first, they're not likely to draft another QB (Panthers less likely), and is anyone really going to trade up for Barkley or Smith? I'm not so sure...If Carolina ended up first, I could easily see Star Loutilie (SP definitely wrong) being the first pick.

If Carolina ends up #1 they won't be drafting a QB, but I also doubt they end up in that spot. They will find a way to take a couple of games. If Jax is #1 they are taking a QB though.

You may be underestimating Carolina's coaching staff's inability to win games they should...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

#1 pick will likely be Luke Joeckel, LT - Texas A&M