Super Bowl XLIII Game Thread - Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Arizona Cardina (1 Viewer)

[shining path]

Interesting that the Steelers have always been known for running the ball and defense and they now have 3 of the 6 WRs that have ever been SB MVP.Then you have Bradshaw with 2 of the other 3 MVPs.

How often do defensive players win the MVP? I would guess that the Ravens, 86 Giants and 85 Bears all had defensive SB MVPs.It is surprising that a Steelers RB never won the SB MVP.

 

[CrossEyed]

Interesting that the Steelers have always been known for running the ball and defense and they now have 3 of the 6 WRs that have ever been SB MVP.Then you have Bradshaw with 2 of the other 3 MVPs.

How often do defensive players win the MVP? I would guess that the Ravens, 86 Giants and 85 Bears all had defensive SB MVPs.It is surprising that a Steelers RB never won the SB MVP.

Franco has one.

 

[shining path]

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1967 01 I Starr 1 Bart Starr * Green Bay Packers QB01 Quarterback [8]

1968 02 II Starr 2 Bart Starr (2) * Green Bay Packers QB02 Quarterback [9]

1969 03 III Namath Joe Namath * New York Jets QB03 Quarterback [10]

1970 04 IV Dawson Len Dawson * Kansas City Chiefs QB04 Quarterback [11]

1971 05 V Howley Chuck Howley Dallas Cowboys LB1 Linebacker [6]

1972 06 VI Staubach Roger Staubach * Dallas Cowboys QB05 Quarterback [12]

1973 07 VII Scott Jake Scott Miami Dolphins S1 Safety [13]

1974 08 VIII Csonka Larry Csonka * Miami Dolphins RB1 Running back [14]

1975 09 IX Harris Franco Harris * Pittsburgh Steelers RB2 Running back [15]

1976 10 X Swann Lynn Swann * Pittsburgh Steelers WR1 Wide receiver [16]

1977 11 XI Biletnikoff Fred Biletnikoff * Oakland Raiders WR2 Wide receiver [17]

1978 12 XII Martin Harvey Martin[c] Dallas Cowboys DE1 Defensive end [18]

1978 12 XII White Randy White[c] * Dallas Cowboys DT1 Defensive tackle [18]

1979 13 XIII Bradshaw 1 Terry Bradshaw * Pittsburgh Steelers QB06 Quarterback [19]

1980 14 XIV Bradshaw 2 Terry Bradshaw (2) * Pittsburgh Steelers QB07 Quarterback [20]

1981 15 XV Plunkett Jim Plunkett Oakland Raiders QB08 Quarterback [21]

1982 16 XVI Montana 1 Joe Montana * San Francisco 49ers QB09 Quarterback [22]

1983 17 XVII Riggins John Riggins * Washington Redskins RB3 Running back [23]

1984 18 XVIII Allen Marcus Allen * Los Angeles Raiders RB4 Running back [24]

1985 19 XIX Montana 2 Joe Montana (2) * San Francisco 49ers QB10 Quarterback [25]

1986 20 XX Dent Richard Dent Chicago Bears DE2 Defensive end [26]

1987 21 XXI Simms Phil Simms New York Giants QB11 Quarterback [27]

1988 22 XXII Williams Doug Williams Washington Redskins QB12 Quarterback [28]

1989 23 XXIII Rice Jerry Rice San Francisco 49ers WR3 Wide receiver [29]

1990 24 XXIV Montana 3 Joe Montana (3) * San Francisco 49ers QB13 Quarterback [30]

1991 25 XXV Anderson Ottis Anderson New York Giants RB5 Running back [5]

1992 26 XXVI Rypien Mark Rypien Washington Redskins QB14 Quarterback [31]

1993 27 XXVII Aikman Troy Aikman * Dallas Cowboys QB15 Quarterback [32]

1994 28 XXVIII Smith Emmitt Smith Dallas Cowboys RB6 Running back [33]

1995 29 XXIX Young Steve Young * San Francisco 49ers QB16 Quarterback [34]

1996 30 XXX Brown Larry Brown Dallas Cowboys CB1 Cornerback [35]

1997 31 XXXI Howard Desmond Howard Green Bay Packers KR1 Kick returner/

punt returner [36]

1998 32 XXXII Davis Terrell Davis Denver Broncos RB7 Running back [37]

1999 33 XXXIII Elway John Elway * Denver Broncos QB17 Quarterback [38]

2000 34 XXXIV Warner Kurt Warner † St. Louis Rams QB18 Quarterback [39]

2001 35 XXXV Lewis Ray Lewis † Baltimore Ravens LB2 Linebacker [40]

2002 36 XXXVI Brady 1 Tom Brady † New England Patriots QB19 Quarterback [41]

2003 37 XXXVII Jackson Dexter Jackson † Tampa Bay Buccaneers S2 Safety [42]

2004 38 XXXVIII Brady Tom Brady (2) † New England Patriots QB20 Quarterback [43]

2005 39 XXXIX Branch Deion Branch † New England Patriots WR4 Wide receiver [44]

2006 40 XL Ward Hines Ward † Pittsburgh Steelers WR5 Wide receiver [45]

2007 41 XLI Manning, Peyton Peyton Manning † Indianapolis Colts QB21 Quarterback [46]

2008 42 XLII Manning, Eli Eli Manning † New York Giants QB22 Quarterback [47]

2009 43 XLIII Holmes Santonio Holmes † Pittsburgh Steelers WR6 Wide receiver [48]

So by my count that's 8 out of 43 defensive SB MVPs. The 86 Giants team had Simms as their MVP, not a defensive player - which is probably bs considering how dominant their defense was.

 

[shining path]

This is a little off-topic, but I remember Steve Young being under tremendous pressure to live up to his hype and win a Super Bowl. But according to that list, he won one within five years (at most) of taking over as QB in San Francisco. Is that really that long of a wait?

 

[shining path]

Interesting that the Steelers have always been known for running the ball and defense and they now have 3 of the 6 WRs that have ever been SB MVP.Then you have Bradshaw with 2 of the other 3 MVPs.

How often do defensive players win the MVP? I would guess that the Ravens, 86 Giants and 85 Bears all had defensive SB MVPs.It is surprising that a Steelers RB never won the SB MVP.

Franco has one.

You're right.A good trivia question would be "How many SB MVPs have been named?" A bit of a trick question since it looks like there's been one every year except 1978, when Dallas had co-MVPs (both on defense!)

 

[thatguy]

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1967 01 I Starr 1 Bart Starr * Green Bay Packers QB01 Quarterback [8]

1968 02 II Starr 2 Bart Starr (2) * Green Bay Packers QB02 Quarterback [9]

1969 03 III Namath Joe Namath * New York Jets QB03 Quarterback [10]

1970 04 IV Dawson Len Dawson * Kansas City Chiefs QB04 Quarterback [11]

1971 05 V Howley Chuck Howley Dallas Cowboys LB1 Linebacker [6]

1972 06 VI Staubach Roger Staubach * Dallas Cowboys QB05 Quarterback [12]

1973 07 VII Scott Jake Scott Miami Dolphins S1 Safety [13]

1974 08 VIII Csonka Larry Csonka * Miami Dolphins RB1 Running back [14]

1975 09 IX Harris Franco Harris * Pittsburgh Steelers RB2 Running back [15]

1976 10 X Swann Lynn Swann * Pittsburgh Steelers WR1 Wide receiver [16]

1977 11 XI Biletnikoff Fred Biletnikoff * Oakland Raiders WR2 Wide receiver [17]

1978 12 XII Martin Harvey Martin[c] Dallas Cowboys DE1 Defensive end [18]

1978 12 XII White Randy White[c] * Dallas Cowboys DT1 Defensive tackle [18]

1979 13 XIII Bradshaw 1 Terry Bradshaw * Pittsburgh Steelers QB06 Quarterback [19]

1980 14 XIV Bradshaw 2 Terry Bradshaw (2) * Pittsburgh Steelers QB07 Quarterback [20]

1981 15 XV Plunkett Jim Plunkett Oakland Raiders QB08 Quarterback [21]

1982 16 XVI Montana 1 Joe Montana * San Francisco 49ers QB09 Quarterback [22]

1983 17 XVII Riggins John Riggins * Washington Redskins RB3 Running back [23]

1984 18 XVIII Allen Marcus Allen * Los Angeles Raiders RB4 Running back [24]

1985 19 XIX Montana 2 Joe Montana (2) * San Francisco 49ers QB10 Quarterback [25]

1986 20 XX Dent Richard Dent Chicago Bears DE2 Defensive end [26]

1987 21 XXI Simms Phil Simms New York Giants QB11 Quarterback [27]

1988 22 XXII Williams Doug Williams Washington Redskins QB12 Quarterback [28]

1989 23 XXIII Rice Jerry Rice San Francisco 49ers WR3 Wide receiver [29]

1990 24 XXIV Montana 3 Joe Montana (3) * San Francisco 49ers QB13 Quarterback [30]

1991 25 XXV Anderson Ottis Anderson New York Giants RB5 Running back [5]

1992 26 XXVI Rypien Mark Rypien Washington Redskins QB14 Quarterback [31]

1993 27 XXVII Aikman Troy Aikman * Dallas Cowboys QB15 Quarterback [32]

1994 28 XXVIII Smith Emmitt Smith Dallas Cowboys RB6 Running back [33]

1995 29 XXIX Young Steve Young * San Francisco 49ers QB16 Quarterback [34]

1996 30 XXX Brown Larry Brown Dallas Cowboys CB1 Cornerback [35]

1997 31 XXXI Howard Desmond Howard Green Bay Packers KR1 Kick returner/

punt returner [36]

1998 32 XXXII Davis Terrell Davis Denver Broncos RB7 Running back [37]

1999 33 XXXIII Elway John Elway * Denver Broncos QB17 Quarterback [38]

2000 34 XXXIV Warner Kurt Warner † St. Louis Rams QB18 Quarterback [39]

2001 35 XXXV Lewis Ray Lewis † Baltimore Ravens LB2 Linebacker [40]

2002 36 XXXVI Brady 1 Tom Brady † New England Patriots QB19 Quarterback [41]

2003 37 XXXVII Jackson Dexter Jackson † Tampa Bay Buccaneers S2 Safety [42]

2004 38 XXXVIII Brady Tom Brady (2) † New England Patriots QB20 Quarterback [43]

2005 39 XXXIX Branch Deion Branch † New England Patriots WR4 Wide receiver [44]

2006 40 XL Ward Hines Ward † Pittsburgh Steelers WR5 Wide receiver [45]

2007 41 XLI Manning, Peyton Peyton Manning † Indianapolis Colts QB21 Quarterback [46]

2008 42 XLII Manning, Eli Eli Manning † New York Giants QB22 Quarterback [47]

2009 43 XLIII Holmes Santonio Holmes † Pittsburgh Steelers WR6 Wide receiver [48]

So by my count that's 8 out of 43 defensive SB MVPs. The 86 Giants team had Simms as their MVP, not a defensive player - which is probably bs considering how dominant their defense was.

IMO Rodney Harrison was more deserving than Branch of the MVP in SB 39.

 

[shining path]

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1967 01 I Starr 1 Bart Starr * Green Bay Packers QB01 Quarterback [8]

1968 02 II Starr 2 Bart Starr (2) * Green Bay Packers QB02 Quarterback [9]

1969 03 III Namath Joe Namath * New York Jets QB03 Quarterback [10]

1970 04 IV Dawson Len Dawson * Kansas City Chiefs QB04 Quarterback [11]

1971 05 V Howley Chuck Howley Dallas Cowboys LB1 Linebacker [6]

1972 06 VI Staubach Roger Staubach * Dallas Cowboys QB05 Quarterback [12]

1973 07 VII Scott Jake Scott Miami Dolphins S1 Safety [13]

1974 08 VIII Csonka Larry Csonka * Miami Dolphins RB1 Running back [14]

1975 09 IX Harris Franco Harris * Pittsburgh Steelers RB2 Running back [15]

1976 10 X Swann Lynn Swann * Pittsburgh Steelers WR1 Wide receiver [16]

1977 11 XI Biletnikoff Fred Biletnikoff * Oakland Raiders WR2 Wide receiver [17]

1978 12 XII Martin Harvey Martin[c] Dallas Cowboys DE1 Defensive end [18]

1978 12 XII White Randy White[c] * Dallas Cowboys DT1 Defensive tackle [18]

1979 13 XIII Bradshaw 1 Terry Bradshaw * Pittsburgh Steelers QB06 Quarterback [19]

1980 14 XIV Bradshaw 2 Terry Bradshaw (2) * Pittsburgh Steelers QB07 Quarterback [20]

1981 15 XV Plunkett Jim Plunkett Oakland Raiders QB08 Quarterback [21]

1982 16 XVI Montana 1 Joe Montana * San Francisco 49ers QB09 Quarterback [22]

1983 17 XVII Riggins John Riggins * Washington Redskins RB3 Running back [23]

1984 18 XVIII Allen Marcus Allen * Los Angeles Raiders RB4 Running back [24]

1985 19 XIX Montana 2 Joe Montana (2) * San Francisco 49ers QB10 Quarterback [25]

1986 20 XX Dent Richard Dent Chicago Bears DE2 Defensive end [26]

1987 21 XXI Simms Phil Simms New York Giants QB11 Quarterback [27]

1988 22 XXII Williams Doug Williams Washington Redskins QB12 Quarterback [28]

1989 23 XXIII Rice Jerry Rice San Francisco 49ers WR3 Wide receiver [29]

1990 24 XXIV Montana 3 Joe Montana (3) * San Francisco 49ers QB13 Quarterback [30]

1991 25 XXV Anderson Ottis Anderson New York Giants RB5 Running back [5]

1992 26 XXVI Rypien Mark Rypien Washington Redskins QB14 Quarterback [31]

1993 27 XXVII Aikman Troy Aikman * Dallas Cowboys QB15 Quarterback [32]

1994 28 XXVIII Smith Emmitt Smith Dallas Cowboys RB6 Running back [33]

1995 29 XXIX Young Steve Young * San Francisco 49ers QB16 Quarterback [34]

1996 30 XXX Brown Larry Brown Dallas Cowboys CB1 Cornerback [35]

1997 31 XXXI Howard Desmond Howard Green Bay Packers KR1 Kick returner/

punt returner [36]

1998 32 XXXII Davis Terrell Davis Denver Broncos RB7 Running back [37]

1999 33 XXXIII Elway John Elway * Denver Broncos QB17 Quarterback [38]

2000 34 XXXIV Warner Kurt Warner † St. Louis Rams QB18 Quarterback [39]

2001 35 XXXV Lewis Ray Lewis † Baltimore Ravens LB2 Linebacker [40]

2002 36 XXXVI Brady 1 Tom Brady † New England Patriots QB19 Quarterback [41]

2003 37 XXXVII Jackson Dexter Jackson † Tampa Bay Buccaneers S2 Safety [42]

2004 38 XXXVIII Brady Tom Brady (2) † New England Patriots QB20 Quarterback [43]

2005 39 XXXIX Branch Deion Branch † New England Patriots WR4 Wide receiver [44]

2006 40 XL Ward Hines Ward † Pittsburgh Steelers WR5 Wide receiver [45]

2007 41 XLI Manning, Peyton Peyton Manning † Indianapolis Colts QB21 Quarterback [46]

2008 42 XLII Manning, Eli Eli Manning † New York Giants QB22 Quarterback [47]

2009 43 XLIII Holmes Santonio Holmes † Pittsburgh Steelers WR6 Wide receiver [48]

So by my count that's 8 out of 43 defensive SB MVPs. The 86 Giants team had Simms as their MVP, not a defensive player - which is probably bs considering how dominant their defense was.

IMO Rodney Harrison was more deserving than Branch of the MVP in SB 39.

Branch's name really stands out in the list of SB MVP WRs, and not in a good way.

 

[CrossEyed]

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1967 01 I Starr 1 Bart Starr * Green Bay Packers QB01 Quarterback [8]

1968 02 II Starr 2 Bart Starr (2) * Green Bay Packers QB02 Quarterback [9]

1969 03 III Namath Joe Namath * New York Jets QB03 Quarterback [10]

1970 04 IV Dawson Len Dawson * Kansas City Chiefs QB04 Quarterback [11]

1971 05 V Howley Chuck Howley Dallas Cowboys LB1 Linebacker [6]

1972 06 VI Staubach Roger Staubach * Dallas Cowboys QB05 Quarterback [12]

1973 07 VII Scott Jake Scott Miami Dolphins S1 Safety [13]

1974 08 VIII Csonka Larry Csonka * Miami Dolphins RB1 Running back [14]

1975 09 IX Harris Franco Harris * Pittsburgh Steelers RB2 Running back [15]

1976 10 X Swann Lynn Swann * Pittsburgh Steelers WR1 Wide receiver [16]

1977 11 XI Biletnikoff Fred Biletnikoff * Oakland Raiders WR2 Wide receiver [17]

1978 12 XII Martin Harvey Martin[c] Dallas Cowboys DE1 Defensive end [18]

1978 12 XII White Randy White[c] * Dallas Cowboys DT1 Defensive tackle [18]

1979 13 XIII Bradshaw 1 Terry Bradshaw * Pittsburgh Steelers QB06 Quarterback [19]

1980 14 XIV Bradshaw 2 Terry Bradshaw (2) * Pittsburgh Steelers QB07 Quarterback [20]

1981 15 XV Plunkett Jim Plunkett Oakland Raiders QB08 Quarterback [21]

1982 16 XVI Montana 1 Joe Montana * San Francisco 49ers QB09 Quarterback [22]

1983 17 XVII Riggins John Riggins * Washington Redskins RB3 Running back [23]

1984 18 XVIII Allen Marcus Allen * Los Angeles Raiders RB4 Running back [24]

1985 19 XIX Montana 2 Joe Montana (2) * San Francisco 49ers QB10 Quarterback [25]

1986 20 XX Dent Richard Dent Chicago Bears DE2 Defensive end [26]

1987 21 XXI Simms Phil Simms New York Giants QB11 Quarterback [27]

1988 22 XXII Williams Doug Williams Washington Redskins QB12 Quarterback [28]

1989 23 XXIII Rice Jerry Rice San Francisco 49ers WR3 Wide receiver [29]

1990 24 XXIV Montana 3 Joe Montana (3) * San Francisco 49ers QB13 Quarterback [30]

1991 25 XXV Anderson Ottis Anderson New York Giants RB5 Running back [5]

1992 26 XXVI Rypien Mark Rypien Washington Redskins QB14 Quarterback [31]

1993 27 XXVII Aikman Troy Aikman * Dallas Cowboys QB15 Quarterback [32]

1994 28 XXVIII Smith Emmitt Smith Dallas Cowboys RB6 Running back [33]

1995 29 XXIX Young Steve Young * San Francisco 49ers QB16 Quarterback [34]

1996 30 XXX Brown Larry Brown Dallas Cowboys CB1 Cornerback [35]

1997 31 XXXI Howard Desmond Howard Green Bay Packers KR1 Kick returner/

punt returner [36]

1998 32 XXXII Davis Terrell Davis Denver Broncos RB7 Running back [37]

1999 33 XXXIII Elway John Elway * Denver Broncos QB17 Quarterback [38]

2000 34 XXXIV Warner Kurt Warner † St. Louis Rams QB18 Quarterback [39]

2001 35 XXXV Lewis Ray Lewis † Baltimore Ravens LB2 Linebacker [40]

2002 36 XXXVI Brady 1 Tom Brady † New England Patriots QB19 Quarterback [41]

2003 37 XXXVII Jackson Dexter Jackson † Tampa Bay Buccaneers S2 Safety [42]

2004 38 XXXVIII Brady Tom Brady (2) † New England Patriots QB20 Quarterback [43]

2005 39 XXXIX Branch Deion Branch † New England Patriots WR4 Wide receiver [44]

2006 40 XL Ward Hines Ward † Pittsburgh Steelers WR5 Wide receiver [45]

2007 41 XLI Manning, Peyton Peyton Manning † Indianapolis Colts QB21 Quarterback [46]

2008 42 XLII Manning, Eli Eli Manning † New York Giants QB22 Quarterback [47]

2009 43 XLIII Holmes Santonio Holmes † Pittsburgh Steelers WR6 Wide receiver [48]

So by my count that's 8 out of 43 defensive SB MVPs. The 86 Giants team had Simms as their MVP, not a defensive player - which is probably bs considering how dominant their defense was.

IMO Rodney Harrison was more deserving than Branch of the MVP in SB 39.

Branch's name really stands out in the list of SB MVP WRs, and not in a good way.

Larry Brown had 2 picks handed to him by Neil O'Donnell. One of the least deserving MVPs IMO.

 

[Yenrub]

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So by my count that's 8 out of 43 defensive SB MVPs. The 86 Giants team had Simms as their MVP, not a defensive player - which is probably bs considering how dominant their defense was.

Go back and do some more research, the man was 22 of 25 (88%) for 268 yards, three touchdowns and no interceptions.

 

[S.K.A.]

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1967 01 I Starr 1 Bart Starr * Green Bay Packers QB01 Quarterback [8]

1968 02 II Starr 2 Bart Starr (2) * Green Bay Packers QB02 Quarterback [9]

1969 03 III Namath Joe Namath * New York Jets QB03 Quarterback [10]

1970 04 IV Dawson Len Dawson * Kansas City Chiefs QB04 Quarterback [11]

1971 05 V Howley Chuck Howley Dallas Cowboys LB1 Linebacker [6]

1972 06 VI Staubach Roger Staubach * Dallas Cowboys QB05 Quarterback [12]

1973 07 VII Scott Jake Scott Miami Dolphins S1 Safety [13]

1974 08 VIII Csonka Larry Csonka * Miami Dolphins RB1 Running back [14]

1975 09 IX Harris Franco Harris * Pittsburgh Steelers RB2 Running back [15]

1976 10 X Swann Lynn Swann * Pittsburgh Steelers WR1 Wide receiver [16]

1977 11 XI Biletnikoff Fred Biletnikoff * Oakland Raiders WR2 Wide receiver [17]

1978 12 XII Martin Harvey Martin[c] Dallas Cowboys DE1 Defensive end [18]

1978 12 XII White Randy White[c] * Dallas Cowboys DT1 Defensive tackle [18]

1979 13 XIII Bradshaw 1 Terry Bradshaw * Pittsburgh Steelers QB06 Quarterback [19]

1980 14 XIV Bradshaw 2 Terry Bradshaw (2) * Pittsburgh Steelers QB07 Quarterback [20]

1981 15 XV Plunkett Jim Plunkett Oakland Raiders QB08 Quarterback [21]

1982 16 XVI Montana 1 Joe Montana * San Francisco 49ers QB09 Quarterback [22]

1983 17 XVII Riggins John Riggins * Washington Redskins RB3 Running back [23]

1984 18 XVIII Allen Marcus Allen * Los Angeles Raiders RB4 Running back [24]

1985 19 XIX Montana 2 Joe Montana (2) * San Francisco 49ers QB10 Quarterback [25]

1986 20 XX Dent Richard Dent Chicago Bears DE2 Defensive end [26]

1987 21 XXI Simms Phil Simms New York Giants QB11 Quarterback [27]

1988 22 XXII Williams Doug Williams Washington Redskins QB12 Quarterback [28]

1989 23 XXIII Rice Jerry Rice San Francisco 49ers WR3 Wide receiver [29]

1990 24 XXIV Montana 3 Joe Montana (3) * San Francisco 49ers QB13 Quarterback [30]

1991 25 XXV Anderson Ottis Anderson New York Giants RB5 Running back [5]

1992 26 XXVI Rypien Mark Rypien Washington Redskins QB14 Quarterback [31]

1993 27 XXVII Aikman Troy Aikman * Dallas Cowboys QB15 Quarterback [32]

1994 28 XXVIII Smith Emmitt Smith Dallas Cowboys RB6 Running back [33]

1995 29 XXIX Young Steve Young * San Francisco 49ers QB16 Quarterback [34]

1996 30 XXX Brown Larry Brown Dallas Cowboys CB1 Cornerback [35]

1997 31 XXXI Howard Desmond Howard Green Bay Packers KR1 Kick returner/

punt returner [36]

1998 32 XXXII Davis Terrell Davis Denver Broncos RB7 Running back [37]

1999 33 XXXIII Elway John Elway * Denver Broncos QB17 Quarterback [38]

2000 34 XXXIV Warner Kurt Warner † St. Louis Rams QB18 Quarterback [39]

2001 35 XXXV Lewis Ray Lewis † Baltimore Ravens LB2 Linebacker [40]

2002 36 XXXVI Brady 1 Tom Brady † New England Patriots QB19 Quarterback [41]

2003 37 XXXVII Jackson Dexter Jackson † Tampa Bay Buccaneers S2 Safety [42]

2004 38 XXXVIII Brady Tom Brady (2) † New England Patriots QB20 Quarterback [43]

2005 39 XXXIX Branch Deion Branch † New England Patriots WR4 Wide receiver [44]

2006 40 XL Ward Hines Ward † Pittsburgh Steelers WR5 Wide receiver [45]

2007 41 XLI Manning, Peyton Peyton Manning † Indianapolis Colts QB21 Quarterback [46]

2008 42 XLII Manning, Eli Eli Manning † New York Giants QB22 Quarterback [47]

2009 43 XLIII Holmes Santonio Holmes † Pittsburgh Steelers WR6 Wide receiver [48]

So by my count that's 8 out of 43 defensive SB MVPs. The 86 Giants team had Simms as their MVP, not a defensive player - which is probably bs considering how dominant their defense was.

IMO Rodney Harrison was more deserving than Branch of the MVP in SB 39.

Branch's name really stands out in the list of SB MVP WRs, and not in a good way.

Larry Brown had 2 picks handed to him by Neil O'Donnell. One of the least deserving MVPs IMO.

Then of course, Larry Brown leveraged that into a fat contract with Oakland the next year. He was (in my estimations) one of the worst free agent signings of all time for Al Davis, and that is saying quite a bit (i.e. Javon Walker, DeAngelo Hall).

 

[videoguy505]

Consecutive Super Bowls with game-winning TDs with exactly 35 seconds left. Crazy.

 

[djkidd]

It's amazing the what people 'see' and don't see when it comes to the teams they don't like. Statements like, 'If the steelers/cards played three more times they wouldn't beat them. The card were lucky that the Steelers didn't go for it on fourth. The cards only made the Steelers punt 3 times. I doubt they would have beat the Steelers three straight times.

And that hold on Warner on the interception? Grasping at straws there. The 'block in the back'...if you look at it with no malice towards the Steelers, you'll see that right before he gets blocked, he turns his shoulders to try and get the penalty. But because he wasn't behind him and mainly pushed him on the shoulder...that's not a block in the back. Then saying that Harrison was tackled short of the goalline. You can't be down when you're on top of another players. if you look you'll see he lands on top of Fitz and by time he touches the ground, the ball is across.

Now, yes the roughing the passer was a bad call. But I did notice that all of you that claim that Arizona got jobbed never once mentioned Fitz TD in the corner. He was bobbling it, the nose of the ball touched the ground and after that you will notice that the ball was bobbled again and ended up in his lap area. You can only see if from the playing field angle. The safety call...it looked like he just got bull rushed, but they call that holding all the time. Could have been a bad call...don't see any of you steeler haters mentioning that.

Whine, whine whine...when things don't go the way you would like, it's the refs fault! Let's put an * next to the score. Pittsburgh cheated...Which I love that one...not sure how a team can cheat.

Yes there's myopic fans on both sides, but this is just bad. Other than the roughing the passer penalty on the cards, there wasn't a BAD call. Maybe in your myopic eyes (and you know who you are...well then again, you probably don't) there were, but if you're gonna gripe about the calls, at least try to be somewhat unbiased.

 

[The Jerk]

But I did notice that all of you that claim that Arizona got jobbed never once mentioned Fitz TD in the corner. He was bobbling it, the nose of the ball touched the ground and after that you will notice that the ball was bobbled again and ended up in his lap area. You can only see if from the playing field angle.

Everyone saw it where I was at. And I was the only Steeler fan (Sans one 17 year old girl who felt bad for me, so she rooted for the Steelers just for kicks) in the building. Everyone was yelling to kick the XP fast! And they did.

Personally, I thought the replay of Ben's run wasn't conclusive, and that it wasn't 100% certain that his knee touched. I thought his knee came very close to touching but that it was still barely above the ground as he rolled over toward his back, but guess what? I'm not the ref, nor am I the replay official. If they thought his knee touched, then that's fine. It's a close call, it can go either way. If the Steelers had run that same play on first down instead of third down, I think they score easily. They didn't, so good job Cardinals. Great challenge.I saw the Fitz bobble, but it's a judgment call when exactly he established control. I can live with the officials saying that he was in control by the time the ball touched the ground. Again, close calls sometimes go your way; other times they don't.

 

[Mr. Goldstein]

Some of you actually stayed at home to post on FBGs during the Superbowl? Seriously?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Anyone happen to catch what Michaels said after one of the "questionable" calls against the Cards?

"Mike Holmgren must be having flash backs"

 

[Power Monster]

Congrats to the Steeler fans. A great game. Certainly- this organization is without a doubt one of the greatest in the history of the NFL.

 

[Steeler]

What a game!!!!!!

I was at the game so I haven't seen the broadcast yet, but the calls didn't seem to be one sided to me at all. However, it appears once again that there is some question about the officiating I'm not going back through this whole thread so can someone summarize which plays people are about?

TIA... and

 

[Ghost Rider]

Some of you actually stayed at home to post on FBGs during the Superbowl? Seriously?

Nope. I happened to post here at points during the game. I could have gone to a big party to watch the game, but I find that I often don't watch much of the game when I go to big shindigs to watch the Super Bowl, so I stayed home to watch this one.

 

[CrossEyed]

What a game!!!!!! I was at the game so I haven't seen the broadcast yet, but the calls didn't seem to be one sided to me at all. However, it appears once again that there is some question about the officiating I'm not going back through this whole thread so can someone summarize which plays people are about?TIA... and

The complaints have been that Warner was held and Hightower was blocked in the back on Harrison's TD. That the roughing the holder was a bad call. That the roughing the passer against Ben in the 3rd quarter was a bad call (which I agree with). That Santonio didn't get both feet down. And that the final fumble call should have been reviewed (which I believe it was). The thing is, people complained because the review was "too fast", but yet in the past all the complaining is that the reviews take too long.Of course nobody is complaining that Gandy held Harrison another 3 or 4 times on top of the 3 times he got called for holding.

 

[Ghost Rider]

What a game!!!!!! I was at the game so I haven't seen the broadcast yet, but the calls didn't seem to be one sided to me at all. However, it appears once again that there is some question about the officiating I'm not going back through this whole thread so can someone summarize which plays people are about?TIA... and

The complaints have been that Warner was held and Hightower was blocked in the back on Harrison's TD. That the roughing the holder was a bad call. That the roughing the passer against Ben in the 3rd quarter was a bad call (which I agree with). That Santonio didn't get both feet down. And that the final fumble call should have been reviewed (which I believe it was). The thing is, people complained because the review was "too fast", but yet in the past all the complaining is that the reviews take too long.Of course nobody is complaining that Gandy held Harrison another 3 or 4 times on top of the 3 times he got called for holding.

The running into the kicker penalty was ultimately insignificant (since the Steelers got 3 points either way).Holmes got two feet down with control.The last play WAS a fumble. The block on Harrison's run back and the roughing the passer/non-call on grounding were the two most glaringly bad calls/non-calls.

 

[CrossEyed]

What a game!!!!!! I was at the game so I haven't seen the broadcast yet, but the calls didn't seem to be one sided to me at all. However, it appears once again that there is some question about the officiating I'm not going back through this whole thread so can someone summarize which plays people are about?TIA... and

The complaints have been that Warner was held and Hightower was blocked in the back on Harrison's TD. That the roughing the holder was a bad call. That the roughing the passer against Ben in the 3rd quarter was a bad call (which I agree with). That Santonio didn't get both feet down. And that the final fumble call should have been reviewed (which I believe it was). The thing is, people complained because the review was "too fast", but yet in the past all the complaining is that the reviews take too long.Of course nobody is complaining that Gandy held Harrison another 3 or 4 times on top of the 3 times he got called for holding.

The running into the kicker penalty was ultimately insignificant (since the Steelers got 3 points either way).Holmes got two feet down with control.The last play WAS a fumble. The block on Harrison's run back and the roughing the passer/non-call on grounding were the two most glaringly bad calls/non-calls.

It wasn't a block in the back. You can't dive in front of a guy with your back to him and expect to get that call. It just isn't going to happen, especially when at least one hand was on the side of his shoulder.There was one obviously bad call in this game that went in favor of the Steelers. One.

 

[brettdj]

It's amazing the what people 'see' and don't see when it comes to the teams they don't like. Statements like, 'If the steelers/cards played three more times they wouldn't beat them. The card were lucky that the Steelers didn't go for it on fourth. The cards only made the Steelers punt 3 times. I doubt they would have beat the Steelers three straight times.And that hold on Warner on the interception? Grasping at straws there. The 'block in the back'...if you look at it with no malice towards the Steelers, you'll see that right before he gets blocked, he turns his shoulders to try and get the penalty. But because he wasn't behind him and mainly pushed him on the shoulder...that's not a block in the back. Then saying that Harrison was tackled short of the goalline. You can't be down when you're on top of another players. if you look you'll see he lands on top of Fitz and by time he touches the ground, the ball is across.Now, yes the roughing the passer was a bad call. But I did notice that all of you that claim that Arizona got jobbed never once mentioned Fitz TD in the corner. He was bobbling it, the nose of the ball touched the ground and after that you will notice that the ball was bobbled again and ended up in his lap area. You can only see if from the playing field angle. The safety call...it looked like he just got bull rushed, but they call that holding all the time. Could have been a bad call...don't see any of you steeler haters mentioning that.Whine, whine whine...when things don't go the way you would like, it's the refs fault! Let's put an * next to the score. Pittsburgh cheated...Which I love that one...not sure how a team can cheat.Yes there's myopic fans on both sides, but this is just bad. Other than the roughing the passer penalty on the cards, there wasn't a BAD call. Maybe in your myopic eyes (and you know who you are...well then again, you probably don't) there were, but if you're gonna gripe about the calls, at least try to be somewhat unbiased.

Good posting.

 

[brettdj]

Roughing the holder will be called everytime.

The Roughing the passer has been called like that all season. Somebody complains every week about it and it is still called that way. Maybe the league wants it called that way.

 

[Ghost Rider]

It wasn't a block in the back. You can't dive in front of a guy with your back to him and expect to get that call.

You can't actually think that. Yeah, I am sure Hightower was thinking, "I am not going to make the tackle; instead, I will dive in front of a player in the hopes that he blocks me from behind, so the refs call a penalty." Yeah, that makes a whole lotta sense. :(

 

[CrossEyed]

It wasn't a block in the back. You can't dive in front of a guy with your back to him and expect to get that call.

You can't actually think that. Yeah, I am sure Hightower was thinking, "I am not going to make the tackle; instead, I will dive in front of a player in the hopes that he blocks me from behind, so the refs call a penalty." Yeah, that makes a whole lotta sense.

No, he dove in front of Woodley to try to make the tackle. Doesn't change that it wasn't a block in the back.

 

[Ghost Rider]

It wasn't a block in the back. You can't dive in front of a guy with your back to him and expect to get that call.

You can't actually think that. Yeah, I am sure Hightower was thinking, "I am not going to make the tackle; instead, I will dive in front of a player in the hopes that he blocks me from behind, so the refs call a penalty." Yeah, that makes a whole lotta sense.

No, he dove in front of Woodley to try to make the tackle. Doesn't change that it wasn't a block in the back.

He never dove. He didn't start going to the ground until he was blocked with two hands from behind. Take the blinders off, son.

 

[CrossEyed]

It wasn't a block in the back. You can't dive in front of a guy with your back to him and expect to get that call.

You can't actually think that. Yeah, I am sure Hightower was thinking, "I am not going to make the tackle; instead, I will dive in front of a player in the hopes that he blocks me from behind, so the refs call a penalty." Yeah, that makes a whole lotta sense.

No, he dove in front of Woodley to try to make the tackle. Doesn't change that it wasn't a block in the back.

He never dove. He didn't start going to the ground until he was blocked with two hands from behind. Take the blinders off, son.

OK, "dove" probably wasn't the right word. He angled himself in front of Woodley as he was turning. Doesn't matter, it wasn't a block in the back, it was a block on the shoulder. Sorry you can't see that.Doesn't change the fact that the sign on the Parkway North this morning reads "Welcome to Pittsburgh...Home of the Super Bowl Champs."

 

[brettdj]

It wasn't a block in the back. You can't dive in front of a guy with your back to him and expect to get that call.

You can't actually think that. Yeah, I am sure Hightower was thinking, "I am not going to make the tackle; instead, I will dive in front of a player in the hopes that he blocks me from behind, so the refs call a penalty." Yeah, that makes a whole lotta sense.

No, he dove in front of Woodley to try to make the tackle. Doesn't change that it wasn't a block in the back.

He never dove. He didn't start going to the ground until he was blocked with two hands from behind. Take the blinders off, son.

Contact was initiated on the shoulder. The player then turned his back to the blocker. No call is the correct call.

 

[Day Drinker]

That being said, thoroughly satisfying Superbowl. Do I think the refs were a little one-sided? Yeah. Some real ticky tack calls, including that horrible roughing the passer call? Did it cost the Cardinals the game? Nope. I loved the fact that so many people stepped up. Warner and Fitz did themselves proud. Boldin contributed. Edge and Hightower showed some nifty moves. And for the most part the D played pretty well. That being said, Ben and Santonio, among others, stepped up big time with the game on the line. Nobody can question Ben as a leader in big games. Sure, Santonio made a great catch on that final TD, but Ben threw a PERFECT pass. Feel bad that one team had to lose. Whisenhunt - I was as impressed with his post game interview as I am with him as a coach. Solid. Good for Tomlin. Good for the Rooney's. Bottom line - the play at the end of the first half was monstrous, and Pitt won in most part because of it. But what a great Superbowl.

I agree with Smails..Hmmmm....Hmmmmm.....Hmmmmmm.As a diehard Cardinal fan, I was just upset to see a poorly officiated game. I don't necessarily think it effected the outcome, but there were a number of very questionable calls. The only three I really think were bad were the "roughing the passer", not reviewing the final play of the game, and the non call on Santonio's celebration. I get that he is excited, but you can't use the ball as a prop in your celebration, which he clearly did.All in all it was a spectacular game, and although I am still crying in my Wheaties this morning, I am proud of the Cards. Welll, except for Fancisco, he is a pathetic excuse for a safety and should have been cut 4 months ago.

 

[The Jerk]

As a diehard Cardinal fan, I was just upset to see a poorly officiated game. I don't necessarily think it effected the outcome, but there were a number of very questionable calls. The only three I really think were bad were the "roughing the passer", not reviewing the final play of the game, and the non call on Santonio's celebration. I get that he is excited, but you can't use the ball as a prop in your celebration, which he clearly did.All in all it was a spectacular game, and although I am still crying in my Wheaties this morning, I am proud of the Cards. Welll, except for Fancisco, he is a pathetic excuse for a safety and should have been cut 4 months ago.

There has been a crawl going across the bottom of ESPN for 15 hours straight stating that the final play WAS reviewed and it was quickly determined that the play was corrected called a fumble. You can argue that they could have taken longer, and you can argue that this didn't happen and the NFL is covering for their lack of a review, and for what it's worth you can say whatever you want, but... you cannot accurately say that the Warner fumble was not reviewed.

 

[tommyboy]

This garbage about officials being bought off or incompetent is sour grapes.

I think a lot of people look at the Steelers past two Super Bowl wins and find quite a few questionable calls and its possible their team never seems to get these calls. The Seahawks Superbowl was the worst officiated game I have ever seen and I dont know one Steelers fan that admits that it was. So right there you have a lot of fans hating the Steelers fans. All of that being said, what won the game for the Steelers this year was not the refs. It was the 14 pt swing at the end of the 1st half plan and simple.Congrats to the Burgh!!

This is what I've never understood. XL was obviously a terribly officiated game, but nobody from Pitt can ever seem to admit that maybe, just maybe, there were a few bad calls in there and maybe, just maybe, it helped them a whole hell of a lot. Maybe it's because I'm a Seahawks homer, but I didn't see this game as near as bad. That last drive was absolutely money.

when you say things like "nobody" you lose your argument. A lot of Pitt fans admitted the game was poorly reffed and we certainly benefited from it, but you know what? it doesn't matter, the game is over and Pittsburgh won. Bitter Seahawk fan is kind of ironic, if anything they should be bitter about the horrible sports in their city, its so bad they even lost the NBA. You should be bitter that your owners care so little about you they repeatedly put crappy pro sports teams out there for you to get excited about.as for this game, the game was better officiated and better played and Pittsburgh won fair and square, in spectacular fashion actually with a perfect pass over 3 defenders and a great catch. That was rothlisbergers 18th 4th qtr comeback in his 5 yr career, and 2nd SB win.

 

[The Jerk]

Roughing the holder will be called everytime. The Roughing the passer has been called like that all season. Somebody complains every week about it and it is still called that way. Maybe the league wants it called that way.

I would like to have seen the flag stay on the pocket on the roughing the passer call; however, I concur that it has been called that way all season long. The defender had a chance to pull up and bump into Ben and bear-hug him rather than take the shot he was given. In the Super Bowl, discretion can be better than valor, and the same goes for the roughing the holder penalty. There was contact on the play, but that's different from being blocked directly into a kicker or holder. The player is responsible for being somehwat under control. Contact with the opponent does not than give the onrushing player carte blanche to steamroll whatever may lie in his path. For those with short memories, the Steelers lost a playoff game in Tennessee in 2002 when Joe Nedney was lightly tapped on the follow through of a missed field goal. It happens. At least in this case, the only effect was about 90 seconds or so running off the clock. In the end, those were 90 seconds the Steelers could have used to make their final drive less frantic. Not that I'm complaining with how it turned out...

 

[monessen]

That being said, thoroughly satisfying Superbowl. Do I think the refs were a little one-sided? Yeah. Some real ticky tack calls, including that horrible roughing the passer call? Did it cost the Cardinals the game? Nope. I loved the fact that so many people stepped up. Warner and Fitz did themselves proud. Boldin contributed. Edge and Hightower showed some nifty moves. And for the most part the D played pretty well. That being said, Ben and Santonio, among others, stepped up big time with the game on the line. Nobody can question Ben as a leader in big games. Sure, Santonio made a great catch on that final TD, but Ben threw a PERFECT pass. Feel bad that one team had to lose. Whisenhunt - I was as impressed with his post game interview as I am with him as a coach. Solid. Good for Tomlin. Good for the Rooney's. Bottom line - the play at the end of the first half was monstrous, and Pitt won in most part because of it. But what a great Superbowl.

I agree with Smails..Hmmmm....Hmmmmm.....Hmmmmmm.As a diehard Cardinal fan, I was just upset to see a poorly officiated game. I don't necessarily think it effected the outcome, but there were a number of very questionable calls. The only three I really think were bad were the "roughing the passer", not reviewing the final play of the game, and the non call on Santonio's celebration. I get that he is excited, but you can't use the ball as a prop in your celebration, which he clearly did.All in all it was a spectacular game, and although I am still crying in my Wheaties this morning, I am proud of the Cards. Welll, except for Fancisco, he is a pathetic excuse for a safety and should have been cut 4 months ago.

The Cards will rule their division for years and become an NFC playoff fixture. They are still a work in progress but the athletes are amazing and that coaching staff is excellent. And it is good to hear from a fan with an objective viewpoint. Thanks!

 

[Day Drinker]

As a diehard Cardinal fan, I was just upset to see a poorly officiated game. I don't necessarily think it effected the outcome, but there were a number of very questionable calls. The only three I really think were bad were the "roughing the passer", not reviewing the final play of the game, and the non call on Santonio's celebration. I get that he is excited, but you can't use the ball as a prop in your celebration, which he clearly did.All in all it was a spectacular game, and although I am still crying in my Wheaties this morning, I am proud of the Cards. Welll, except for Fancisco, he is a pathetic excuse for a safety and should have been cut 4 months ago.

There has been a crawl going across the bottom of ESPN for 15 hours straight stating that the final play WAS reviewed and it was quickly determined that the play was corrected called a fumble. You can argue that they could have taken longer, and you can argue that this didn't happen and the NFL is covering for their lack of a review, and for what it's worth you can say whatever you want, but... you cannot accurately say that the Warner fumble was not reviewed.

I have a hard time beleiving it was reveiwed, but like I said, no sour grapes from me. Our defense had a chance to win the game and they came up short. It was decided on the field regardless of a few questionable calls.Actually, I am most upset about Santonio's illegal celebration. If you are going to do some self promoting celebration after arguably one of the biggest catches in NFL history and not get flagged for it, at least do something cool. Very disapointing Santonio, you should have used the ball as a blunt, and taken a big hit....dealer!

 

[The Jerk]

As a diehard Cardinal fan, I was just upset to see a poorly officiated game. I don't necessarily think it effected the outcome, but there were a number of very questionable calls. The only three I really think were bad were the "roughing the passer", not reviewing the final play of the game, and the non call on Santonio's celebration. I get that he is excited, but you can't use the ball as a prop in your celebration, which he clearly did.All in all it was a spectacular game, and although I am still crying in my Wheaties this morning, I am proud of the Cards. Welll, except for Fancisco, he is a pathetic excuse for a safety and should have been cut 4 months ago.

There has been a crawl going across the bottom of ESPN for 15 hours straight stating that the final play WAS reviewed and it was quickly determined that the play was corrected called a fumble. You can argue that they could have taken longer, and you can argue that this didn't happen and the NFL is covering for their lack of a review, and for what it's worth you can say whatever you want, but... you cannot accurately say that the Warner fumble was not reviewed.

I have a hard time beleiving it was reveiwed, but like I said, no sour grapes from me. Our defense had a chance to win the game and they came up short. It was decided on the field regardless of a few questionable calls.

As I said, you can believe and say what you want. The NFL is adamant that the play was reviewed. If they had reviewed the play for five minutes, then all the media and fans would be complaining that replay takes away from the excitement of the minute. Whatever.Since Larry Fitzgerald was drafted, the Cardinals have been one of my favorite teams. With all the other Pittsburgh connections and guys with the character of Warner and Berry, now they're clearly my second team. Obviously, I couldn't root for them last night, but believe it or not, I feel for them and their fans, and I will continue to root for Arizona when they play 30 other teams. Now they just need to keep the team mostly together, including the coaching staff. Good luck in 2009!

 

[Sheriff66]

All I can say is WOW, what a great game. I can't talk right now and my head is still pounding from the beer/Crown Royal/screaming, but that was one hell of a game, one for the ages. I knew I would come here and see people whining about the officials, but come on people, the Steelers won the game between the lines, and made big plays when they were needed. When Fitz scored on the slant everyone at the party got quiet, I said "2:30 seconds, and we have Ben, we are going to win this game". I can honestly say I didn't have a single doubt in my mind that he was going to take them down the field and score a TD, it was surreal.

Warner played a great game, but he made the critical mistake that turned the game around IMO, can't believe some people think he should have been the MVP. Ben was 10/10 against the blitz in the game for 181 yards, had his 6th 4th quarter comeback of the year, looked fantastic the whole game, and should have shared the MVP with Santonio. Ben is well on his way to Canton, 2 rings in 5 years, the 4th quarter comebacks, the guy is just an elite talent.

Harrison and Woodley are beasts, and this whole LB corps is sick, and Farrior forced a fumble on the one they said was incomplete IMO, he moved his hand forward after he got hit. Timmons will step right in next season for Larry Foote, a highly underrated LB and a great Steeler, he will be missed.

Watching tears come from Hines eyes as he talked about winning 2 rings, this team left everything out on the field, this might be my favorite Steeler team of all time.

Fitz and Whizzer are class people, listening to them talk after the game gave me a new level of respect for them. Whizzer took his teachings from the Steelers and instilled it in his club, and they were a great team in the post season, if they were not playing the Steelers I would have been rooting for them.

Oh, and one last thing....

SIX

 

[Stillers Jr.]

Not even close. I'm sure Pittsburgh fans will pretend that this is alegitimate Superbowl, just like the last gift they received. But any fan of football is embarrassed with the referreeing today.

Are we going to do this again? Please don't embarass yourself.

I actually kinda respect BosFred and this surprised me...the only thing I can hope for is he had a few too many cocktails and that post was the result...Anyway, I'm not sure how many games people have to watch to understand that the officials are ALWAYS going to get calls wrong. Sometimes they will go against your team...OHH! Imagine that!!

Deal with it, accept it...there's nothing you can do. That's what I've learned to do and it works out great.

Although I must say...I think 99% of the posters complaining are wielding it, not b/c they truly believe that the Steelers were "handed" a SB, but to do their best to discredit them. Their miniscule little minds cannot and will not accept the fact that the Steelers are what they are, a great organization. So they resort to "Spin".

Personally I think the Pats fans chiming in about the legitimacy of the recent Steeler SBs are as ironic as it gets. I'm not going to get into specifics, but think real hard and you'll figure it out.

Lastly, I wish that revealing your age on here was a requirement; it would help me filter out the ridiculous posts. I could look and say, "Well, the kid is only 12, what can you expect". But I think that most are in their 30's or more and that it indeed scary and a little pathetic.

I've said my peace, continue "spinning" this as you see fit...I will be relishing another Super Bowl victory and figuring out how I can get to Pitt for the parade!

 

[Day Drinker]

As a diehard Cardinal fan, I was just upset to see a poorly officiated game. I don't necessarily think it effected the outcome, but there were a number of very questionable calls. The only three I really think were bad were the "roughing the passer", not reviewing the final play of the game, and the non call on Santonio's celebration. I get that he is excited, but you can't use the ball as a prop in your celebration, which he clearly did.All in all it was a spectacular game, and although I am still crying in my Wheaties this morning, I am proud of the Cards. Welll, except for Fancisco, he is a pathetic excuse for a safety and should have been cut 4 months ago.

There has been a crawl going across the bottom of ESPN for 15 hours straight stating that the final play WAS reviewed and it was quickly determined that the play was corrected called a fumble. You can argue that they could have taken longer, and you can argue that this didn't happen and the NFL is covering for their lack of a review, and for what it's worth you can say whatever you want, but... you cannot accurately say that the Warner fumble was not reviewed.

I have a hard time beleiving it was reveiwed, but like I said, no sour grapes from me. Our defense had a chance to win the game and they came up short. It was decided on the field regardless of a few questionable calls.

As I said, you can believe and say what you want. The NFL is adamant that the play was reviewed. If they had reviewed the play for five minutes, then all the media and fans would be complaining that replay takes away from the excitement of the minute. Whatever.

They can say whatever they want, but you have to admit that it was a little weird how fast the review took place. I mean, NCAA games happen like that, but never in the NFL. The ref ALWAYS makes an announcement that the play is under review by the booth, it takes at least a minute or two, and then the ref announces the outcome of the review. Just weird to me that none of that happened, that's all.Thanks for the well wishes in 2009. You are right that we have a good core of high integrity players, but I want to see our front office step up and commit some cash to the players who have earned it. Enjoy the victory, your team certainly earned it.

 

[belljr]

As a diehard Cardinal fan, I was just upset to see a poorly officiated game. I don't necessarily think it effected the outcome, but there were a number of very questionable calls. The only three I really think were bad were the "roughing the passer", not reviewing the final play of the game, and the non call on Santonio's celebration. I get that he is excited, but you can't use the ball as a prop in your celebration, which he clearly did.All in all it was a spectacular game, and although I am still crying in my Wheaties this morning, I am proud of the Cards. Welll, except for Fancisco, he is a pathetic excuse for a safety and should have been cut 4 months ago.

There has been a crawl going across the bottom of ESPN for 15 hours straight stating that the final play WAS reviewed and it was quickly determined that the play was corrected called a fumble. You can argue that they could have taken longer, and you can argue that this didn't happen and the NFL is covering for their lack of a review, and for what it's worth you can say whatever you want, but... you cannot accurately say that the Warner fumble was not reviewed.

I have a hard time beleiving it was reveiwed, but like I said, no sour grapes from me. Our defense had a chance to win the game and they came up short. It was decided on the field regardless of a few questionable calls.

As I said, you can believe and say what you want. The NFL is adamant that the play was reviewed. If they had reviewed the play for five minutes, then all the media and fans would be complaining that replay takes away from the excitement of the minute. Whatever.

They can say whatever they want, but you have to admit that it was a little weird how fast the review took place. I mean, NCAA games happen like that, but never in the NFL. The ref ALWAYS makes an announcement that the play is under review by the booth, it takes at least a minute or two, and then the ref announces the outcome of the review. Just weird to me that none of that happened, that's all.Thanks for the well wishes in 2009. You are right that we have a good core of high integrity players, but I want to see our front office step up and commit some cash to the players who have earned it. Enjoy the victory, your team certainly earned it.

I think some guys are confusing things here. The REF will only make an announcement IF the guys upstairs buzz down and say , we need to review this play. No one is saying the ref went under the hood, what we're saying is the Replay official upstairs decided that the call was correct and did not require further review time.

 

[Mr. Yuk]

Harrison acted like a real ##### yesterday. Didn't want to see him get a ring. Him, and that classless tub of goo Gary Russell.

 

[gump]

 

[Sheriff66]

Harrison acted like a real ##### yesterday. Didn't want to see him get a ring. Him, and that classless tub of goo Gary Russell.

He's an a beast, most held player in the league, they can't stop the guy without holding him, DOMINANT. What did Gary Russell do ?

 

[Sheriff66]

AWEEEEEEEEEEESOME

 

[HellToupee]

who was calling sweep right

 

[Idiot Boxer]

DRC is going to SHUT DOWN Santonio.

Was at the game, so I'm reading this now...but...

 

[Irish]

Also, if they reviewed that last Kurt Warner pass attempt and overturned it there would have been a 15 yard penalty tacked on to it thanks to Harrison taking off his helmet like an idiot. Yes?

Yup. Well swept under the rug by the refs and NBC. Pitiful ending.

Give it up. The Steelers won, end of story.(I WAS ROOTING FOR THE CARDS)

So, you support them not even reviewing the play that clearly showed Kurt Warner's arm going forward? I see.

Qb must have control of the ball while his arm is going forward to be an incomplete pass. Ball was knocked free of his control and then his arm came forward. Fumble.

 

[Irish]

I thought Woodley knocked the ball from his hand and it was a fumble but it should've been reviewed

Exactly. And, if the reviewer said that it was inconclusive or it was a fumble, that's great. They did their job. But, in the rush to get all giddy and excited and keep up with the momentum, the referees failed to do their job.Pretty-much all game long, in fact.

Refs made the right call on Warner fumble. They did their job on that play.

 

[Irish]

DRC is going to SHUT DOWN Santonio.

Was at the game, so I'm reading this now...but...

LHUCKS legend continues to grow.

 

[encaitar]

DRC is going to SHUT DOWN Santonio.

Was at the game, so I'm reading this now...but...

LHUCKS legend continues to grow.

I was actually impressed with DRC this game. Sure, he got beat a couple of times, but he looked solid and his recovery speed is astounding. Most of Holmes' yardage came on the last drive when the Cards were in a 2 deep zone. Can't blame just DRC for that. Keep in mind that he's a 22 year old rookie and he's gonna be a special player in this league for years to come IMO.

 

[pecorino]

just got back from FLA--what a weekend! a few thoughts:

at halftime, i was convinced that the harrison interception return was the greatest play in the history of the super bowl. after seeing the 4th quarter, i still think it is.

at the end of the game, i wished the refs would review warner's fumble so we wouldn't have to listen to the vocal minority claiming it was actually incomplete. 1 minute of booth review could have silenced everyone. oh well.

i thought the refs took over the game, but i don't think they were biased in one direction. some bad calls went against both teams. frankly, i am surprised looking at the shark pool this morning at the angst here. it looked to me like the Cards just said "we can't block harrison so let's hold him every play and dare the refs to call holding"--which they did.

ben took a big step forward in this game. glad to hear his name bantered about with manning and brady more favorably now.

had arizona come out in a spread, hurry-up offense from the outset, they would have won the game. i remember games where the raiders and patriots never even tried to run the ball and they torched the steelers defense. this was my biggest worry coming in to the game. every rush was one less pass and helped me breathe easier.