Super Flex Position (1 Viewer)

[steelerfan1]

hi all,

wondering your opinions, thoughts on how big the value rises for the QB position with this?

do you think the top guys like brees, brady, vick, rodgers, rivers, manning all become 1rst and 2nd round guys or do the other positions still hold pretty relative values?

would love to see an FBG cheat sheat for the super flex.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

depends on scoring of QBs vs. other positions

using standard scoring, then yes QBs should be taken early and often

 

[FantasyTrader]

Drafting for a start-up dynasty league this weekend where QB's get 6 pts. per TD and QB can be used as a flex. I'm seriously kicking around Rodgers/Vick at 5th overall.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

Drafting for a start-up dynasty league this weekend where QB's get 6 pts. per TD and QB can be used as a flex. I'm seriously kicking around Rodgers/Vick at 5th overall.

Rodgers should be a no-brainer in that setup.

 

[SelenaCat]

There's an easy way to see the value of QB's as a Superflex. Make a list of QB13-24 (assuming a 12-player league), WR25-36/37-48 (depending on start 2 WR/3 WR) and RB25-36. You'll see that, far and away, QB's will outscore any other flex position, even if you're only getting 4 points for PaTD's.

I've been playing in a Superflex league for 10 years now, and there have only been *2* seasons that anyone started a non-QB outside of injuries. In one case, they had something like Faulk/James/George, and in the other, it was AJ/Calvin/some other WR1. Both teams finished in the bottom of their respective divisions.

So short answer: Tell the draft program that you're a 2 QB league and you'll pretty much be right on.

And yes, this seriously inflates the value of QB's. I'm in an auction league, but you see QB's going for as much or more as the equivalent-ranked RB. In draft terms, you'd probably see 10-12 QB's off the boards in the first two rounds. You'll very much want one of the studs or second-tier QB's, and want to pair them with someone on the high end of the QB2's (or even another QB1 if you can manage it).

 

[FantasyTrader]

Drafting for a start-up dynasty league this weekend where QB's get 6 pts. per TD and QB can be used as a flex. I'm seriously kicking around Rodgers/Vick at 5th overall.

Rodgers should be a no-brainer in that setup.

Don't know if I can talk myself out of Ray Rice if available though.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

I would think that, in that system, every starting QB in the NFL would be gone in the first 5 rounds, no?

If you're not starting a QB in the super-flex spot you'd be at a big disadvantage.

 

[SelenaCat]

Drafting for a start-up dynasty league this weekend where QB's get 6 pts. per TD and QB can be used as a flex. I'm seriously kicking around Rodgers/Vick at 5th overall.

Rodgers should be a no-brainer in that setup.

Don't know if I can talk myself out of Ray Rice if available though.

In a 6 PaTD, 2 QB/QB+Superflex league, I'd very likely go QB/QB (or QB/X/QB). And yes, that includes drafting from the #1 position. Stud QB's just score that many more points than their lower-tier/non-QB flex players.

 

[steelerfan1]

There's an easy way to see the value of QB's as a Superflex. Make a list of QB13-24 (assuming a 12-player league), WR25-36/37-48 (depending on start 2 WR/3 WR) and RB25-36. You'll see that, far and away, QB's will outscore any other flex position, even if you're only getting 4 points for PaTD's.I've been playing in a Superflex league for 10 years now, and there have only been *2* seasons that anyone started a non-QB outside of injuries. In one case, they had something like Faulk/James/George, and in the other, it was AJ/Calvin/some other WR1. Both teams finished in the bottom of their respective divisions.So short answer: Tell the draft program that you're a 2 QB league and you'll pretty much be right on.And yes, this seriously inflates the value of QB's. I'm in an auction league, but you see QB's going for as much or more as the equivalent-ranked RB. In draft terms, you'd probably see 10-12 QB's off the boards in the first two rounds. You'll very much want one of the studs or second-tier QB's, and want to pair them with someone on the high end of the QB2's (or even another QB1 if you can manage it).

thanks cat,figured it would raise value and we get 6 for all td's. just have a hard time taking a qb or 2 that fast. may have to get out of the old dinosaur mode and get into this century.thanks again people who replied.

 

[steelerfan1]

I would think that, in that system, every starting QB in the NFL would be gone in the first 5 rounds, no?If you're not starting a QB in the super-flex spot you'd be at a big disadvantage.

yes and no i think as if you are scooping up the likes of AJ, calvin, nicks, etc you could make points up as the guys taking 2 qb's are going to be suffering at other positions, no?

 

[FantasyTrader]

Drafting for a start-up dynasty league this weekend where QB's get 6 pts. per TD and QB can be used as a flex. I'm seriously kicking around Rodgers/Vick at 5th overall.

Rodgers should be a no-brainer in that setup.

Don't know if I can talk myself out of Ray Rice if available though.

In a 6 PaTD, 2 QB/QB+Superflex league, I'd very likely go QB/QB (or QB/X/QB). And yes, that includes drafting from the #1 position. Stud QB's just score that many more points than their lower-tier/non-QB flex players.

Your prior post has me thinking exactly that. Not only is Rodgers a no-brainer at #5, but a Romo/Stafford might be the play in the 2nd. (And those QB's will be available because very few in this league have experience with flex-QB formats).

 

[jonboltz]

If you are in a start-2 QB dynasty start up league, you won't get a chance to draft Rogers at 1.5

 

[thriftyrocker]

Rodgers, Vick, and Rivers should all be top 5 picks in this format.

 

[Go DC Yourself]

My limited experience with superflex is that the QB will almost always be flex. Has anyone played with a scoring system whereby the 2nd QB's points are multiplied with number less than one, such as .4 or .5, to bring his score more in line with the flex position? I haven't been able to see where MFL supports such a concept.

 

[shortbow]

It always sounds like a great idea to go QB QB, but imo if you cant get two top 6 QBs (which is almost impossible in this format) then you should wait till the 4th or 5th round to grab your 2nd QB.

 

[steelerfan1]

has anyone waited on qb's in these types of leagues and loaded up on all the other positions?

i get you will have a top qb and a top flex if you can score 2 of the big 6 qb's but come round 3 looking at starting 3 wr's and 2 wr's you will be weak at those spots so i would think it could even out things, no?

 

[fightingillini]

has anyone waited on qb's in these types of leagues and loaded up on all the other positions?i get you will have a top qb and a top flex if you can score 2 of the big 6 qb's but come round 3 looking at starting 3 wr's and 2 wr's you will be weak at those spots so i would think it could even out things, no?

Depends on how friendly the QB scoring is. I have played in super flex leagues for years.If you want a top QB, you have to take one in Rounds 1 or 2. You can wait until Round 4 to take your QB, but you will be stuck with a guy like Flacco or Cutler ast your QB1. In superflex leagues, it's fairly important that you get one QB that is a very reliable starter, then try to get 2 more than you can play matchups with in the flex spot. Sure, you're going to take QBs early and it will affect the RBs and WRs that you can get, but from my experience, QBs are very valuable trade commodities in superflex leagues.....pays to have 3 solid options....even better if you have 4.Personally, there are only 15 or so solid backs and once you get past the top 6 or 7 WRs, the next 10-15 are pretty close. If you have QB friendly scoring, be prepared to take a QB in round 2. Get used to it. QBs go fast in superflex leagues, and IMO the QB pool isn't real deep this year. I would generally load up on RBs and QBs early.....by round 5 I like to have 2 RBs, 2 QBs and 1 WR. The the rest of your draft, you're essentially taking RBs and WRs, along with getting your starting TE and 1 extra QB for depth.Have fun....superflex leagues are cool and add another dimension of draft strategy.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Drafting for a start-up dynasty league this weekend where QB's get 6 pts. per TD and QB can be used as a flex. I'm seriously kicking around Rodgers/Vick at 5th overall.

If it is a dynasty, then go after Rodgers without a doubt. He may even be taken at that point though. I have some reservations about Vick in a dynasty (injury concern).Keep in mind that QBs have a much longer fantasy life, so getting Rodgers, Rivers, etc. not only means you are getting a very valuable player in that roster/scoring format, it also means you are getting a top fantasy player which will be around longer than a RB or even WR.ETA: If it is a 6 point per TD for QBs, and not even knowing if it is PPR for other positions, you should treat it as a 2 QB league. Unless you have an absolute stinker at QB2, or you have an amazing stable of RB or WRs, the QB will always outscore the RB and WR in fantasy points, so go into the draft with the mindset of it being a 2 QB league.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Drafting for a start-up dynasty league this weekend where QB's get 6 pts. per TD and QB can be used as a flex. I'm seriously kicking around Rodgers/Vick at 5th overall.

If it is a dynasty, then go after Rodgers without a doubt. He may even be taken at that point though. I have some reservations about Vick in a dynasty (injury concern).Keep in mind that QBs have a much longer fantasy life, so getting Rodgers, Rivers, etc. not only means you are getting a very valuable player in that roster/scoring format, it also means you are getting a top fantasy player which will be around longer than a RB or even WR.ETA: If it is a 6 point per TD for QBs, and not even knowing if it is PPR for other positions, you should treat it as a 2 QB league. Unless you have an absolute stinker at QB2, or you have an amazing stable of RB or WRs, the QB will always outscore the RB and WR in fantasy points, so go into the draft with the mindset of it being a 2 QB league.

Thanks, those are my thoughts as well. Like you, I'm not sold on Vick in dynasty and if Rodgers is gone by #5 - I'll probably reach a bit for Rivers. I like your mindset of basically take the flex aspect out of it entirely and draft it as a mandatory start 2 QB.

 

[macknova]

has anyone waited on qb's in these types of leagues and loaded up on all the other positions?i get you will have a top qb and a top flex if you can score 2 of the big 6 qb's but come round 3 looking at starting 3 wr's and 2 wr's you will be weak at those spots so i would think it could even out things, no?

Well, it depends. Last year, I did just that because I was in an auction league. I bid high on RB and WR, and ended up bringing in like 4 quarterbacks, none of whom I really trusted that much to start. Then I got Vick in waivers after week one, and both Cassel and Freeman were better than expected, and I ended up trading Cassel for help elsewhere, and my team won the league. Don't expect Vick to fall in your lap though. It's a big disadvantage to be weaker at QB in two spots, but points are points, and if you pick the right QBs later on, it might not be a bad thing, especially if it's 4 points per TD pass.

 

[Godsbrother]

Depends on how friendly the QB scoring is. I have played in super flex leagues for years.

If you want a top QB, you have to take one in Rounds 1 or 2. You can wait until Round 4 to take your QB, but you will be stuck with a guy like Flacco or Cutler ast your QB1. In superflex leagues, it's fairly important that you get one QB that is a very reliable starter, then try to get 2 more than you can play matchups with in the flex spot. Sure, you're going to take QBs early and it will affect the RBs and WRs that you can get, but from my experience, QBs are very valuable trade commodities in superflex leagues.....pays to have 3 solid options....even better if you have 4.

Our league has used superflex for the past 5-6 years. EVERY team has a starting QB by their second pick and most everyone has 2 by round 4.I am expecting at least 12-14 QBs off the board by the end of round 2. Probably another 5 or 6 will go in round 3 leaving the likes of Cassel, Sanchez, Johnson and Fitzpatrick available in round 4. If QBs significantly outperform other positions in your league I think you are going to want to take two before round 4.

 

[fightingillini]

Depends on how friendly the QB scoring is. I have played in super flex leagues for years.

If you want a top QB, you have to take one in Rounds 1 or 2. You can wait until Round 4 to take your QB, but you will be stuck with a guy like Flacco or Cutler ast your QB1. In superflex leagues, it's fairly important that you get one QB that is a very reliable starter, then try to get 2 more than you can play matchups with in the flex spot. Sure, you're going to take QBs early and it will affect the RBs and WRs that you can get, but from my experience, QBs are very valuable trade commodities in superflex leagues.....pays to have 3 solid options....even better if you have 4.

Our league has used superflex for the past 5-6 years. EVERY team has a starting QB by their second pick and most everyone has 2 by round 4.I am expecting at least 12-14 QBs off the board by the end of round 2. Probably another 5 or 6 will go in round 3 leaving the likes of Cassel, Sanchez, Johnson and Fitzpatrick available in round 4. If QBs significantly outperform other positions in your league I think you are going to want to take two before round 4.

Interesting......the superflex that I play in is a ten teamer which allows you to wait a little longer. We generally have 6-7 QBs taken by round 2, and 12-14 taken by round 4.Your league must really have QB friendly scoring.

 

[Runningman]

Drafting for a start-up dynasty league this weekend where QB's get 6 pts. per TD and QB can be used as a flex. I'm seriously kicking around Rodgers/Vick at 5th overall.

Rodgers should be a no-brainer in that setup.

Don't know if I can talk myself out of Ray Rice if available though.

If your opponents have half a brain you won't see Rodgers for sure, and probably Vick. You are playing in a QB dominated league like all leagues were RB Dominated before PPR was invented. Ecspecially dynasty your priority is secure two fairly young QB studs and then think about other spots.

 

[steelerfan1]

thanks a bunch guys.

very friendly qb scoring for us so this will be a very fun draft for me this year and i am anxious to see what my team looks like with a new approach.

 

[Godsbrother]

Depends on how friendly the QB scoring is. I have played in super flex leagues for years.

If you want a top QB, you have to take one in Rounds 1 or 2. You can wait until Round 4 to take your QB, but you will be stuck with a guy like Flacco or Cutler ast your QB1. In superflex leagues, it's fairly important that you get one QB that is a very reliable starter, then try to get 2 more than you can play matchups with in the flex spot. Sure, you're going to take QBs early and it will affect the RBs and WRs that you can get, but from my experience, QBs are very valuable trade commodities in superflex leagues.....pays to have 3 solid options....even better if you have 4.

Our league has used superflex for the past 5-6 years. EVERY team has a starting QB by their second pick and most everyone has 2 by round 4.I am expecting at least 12-14 QBs off the board by the end of round 2. Probably another 5 or 6 will go in round 3 leaving the likes of Cassel, Sanchez, Johnson and Fitzpatrick available in round 4. If QBs significantly outperform other positions in your league I think you are going to want to take two before round 4.

Interesting......the superflex that I play in is a ten teamer which allows you to wait a little longer. We generally have 6-7 QBs taken by round 2, and 12-14 taken by round 4.Your league must really have QB friendly scoring.

6 pts TD, 1 pts/20 yards passing. The gotcha is that interceptions & fumbles cost -3. If you get an inconsistent second QB you are better off starting a RB or even WR.

 

[QuizGuy66]

hi all,wondering your opinions, thoughts on how big the value rises for the QB position with this?do you think the top guys like brees, brady, vick, rodgers, rivers, manning all become 1rst and 2nd round guys or do the other positions still hold pretty relative values?would love to see an FBG cheat sheat for the super flex.

Last year, the FBG Ultimate survivor league I was in (league 8 I think?) had the superflex if you are curious for one example of how such a draft turned out. My memory is foggy but league 2 also might've had it.-QG