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Supplemental Draft Watch (1 Viewer)

Jeff Pasquino

Jeff Pasquino

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Don't know the date, but I figured I'd start a thread to watch players who might be drafted in it.

For those unfamiliar with this, players who missed the deadline for the regular draft can apply for the supplemental draft under certain conditions. Each team gets a shot at each player in the same order as the Annual NFL Player Selection Meeting (a.k.a. "The NFL Draft").

Each team can either pick a player or pass on their turn. If a team selects a player on their turn, that equivalent pick is forfeited in the next (2008) draft.

I believe this is how Ahmad Brooks (LB) became a Bengal in 2006.

Two players I currently know that applied:

Paul Oliver, CB, Georgia

Chris Patrick, OL, Nebraska

Oliver is likely to be drafted, Patrick I don't know.

Updated list of players (July 5th):

Paul Oliver, CB, Georgia

Chris Patrick, OL, Nebraska

Jared Gaither, LT, Maryland

Mark Washington, DE/DT/LB, Texas State

Aaron Turner, OT, ECU (East Central University)



Central Missouri DB RoShawn Marshall

Utah State DT Brian Soi

Connecticut DB Donta' Moore

Florida State DT Clifton Dickson
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Draft on July 12th.
 
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Will there be a FBG Supplemental Draft Contest? :thumbup: :lmao:

-QG

ETA: Yep, My Bengals got Brooks in the 3rd round of last year's Sup Draft (which is why we had no 3rd round pick this year)

 
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Jeff Pasquino said:
Each team can either pick a player or pass on their turn. If a team selects a player on their turn, that equivalent pick is forfeited in the next (2008) draft.
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Quick question... if team A forfeits their 2008 3rd round pick... it means that every team had a chance to grab anyone - then, on their 3rd turn, team A choses someone there... correct?...Thus, the gamble is to pass as often as possible - while still being able to grab the player you want, right?
 
ConstruxBoy said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Jared Gaither is rumored to be thinking seriously about it.
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Does anyone else think he could be worth a late 1st?Screwing up in school might have teams question his dedication though.
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His measurables are :shrug: , but from what I've read (which isn't much), he didn't play particularly well this year. :mellow:I can't see him being worth a late 1st. I'm (totally) guessing mid 2nd at best, with late 2nd becoming a lot more likely.
 
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There are some hidden gems in the supplemental draft. Jamal Williams of the Chargers was a second rounder in the 1998 supplemental draft. He's been named to two pro bowls and is considered the anchor of the SD defensive line.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
ConstruxBoy said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Jared Gaither is rumored to be thinking seriously about it.
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Does anyone else think he could be worth a late 1st?Screwing up in school might have teams question his dedication though.
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His measurables are :wub: , but from what I've read (which isn't much), he didn't play particularly well this year. :thumbup:I can't see him being worth a late 1st. I'm (totally) guessing mid 2nd at best, with late 2nd becoming a lot more likely.
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This is the correct answer. Its going to be one hell of a gamble for the team that ultimately does take him as they simply cannot rely on him to come in and start until he gets his own issues settled out. Not to mention that he didn't exactly wow with his play this year. My guess is that he slips-perhaps further than we think. At this point, I'd perhaps consider Ahmad Brooks a better overall prospect. At least he proved he was NFL caliber with his play alone. Thats something Gaither cannot say. But his measurables are simply outstanding. At Hargrave, he ran a 4.75 40 weighing in at 330 pounds. WOW.
 
A few more...

Robert Armstrong

Armstrong, a former Maryland transfer and potential sleeper of this group, has the necessary size (6-4, 318) and has flashed both quickness off the ball and pass rush skills for an interior lineman. He had three sacks in a contest against Norfolk State. One stumbling block though is an old back injury which will be reviewed by team officials.

He will work out on campus at Morgan State on June 28. Since his paper work was approved earlier this week, 10 NFL teams have inquired about game film and his workout date, according to his representative Angelo Wright.

Donta Moore

Moore, though a much better defender in the box than when asked to drop into deep coverage, played out of position at outside linebacker as he is built ideally for strong safety. He has been timed in the 4.50 range and showed great tenacity last season as he played the final eight games of the year with a broken arm. If he can flash the type of workout numbers (37" vertical, 10' 4" broad jump) to go along with the fact that he had 16 tackles against West Virginia and 12 tackles, including 6½ tackles for loss versus Wake Forest, it could get him a solid free agent look. Keep an eye on the Green Bay Packers since their scouting director, John Dorsey, is a former Hall of Fame member of the Huskies football team.

Mark Washington

Washington is an interesting athlete who, at roughly 6-3, 245, has been timed in the 4.55-4.60 range and transferred to Texas State from Arizona State. He was miscast in the role of being a very under-sized defensive tackle, but also failed to reach certain academic and team standards in the offseason.
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Some team with high hopes for 07 and issues on the OL will use a first rounder on Gaither.

As far as his playing being suspect, he had a strange sophomore year. But while wet behind the ears and very green as a freshman, he was outstanding. It was only his second year playing football. He played hoops his first three years in HS. I like basketball skills on the OL. Gaither is 6-9 (maybe 8), and he goes 340. He charted a 36" vertical at over 340 in the Spring of 06. On the field as a freshman, he started 8 games at LT, had 2 penalties, and did not allow a sack. From a pure potential standpoint it was a jaw dropping performance. I can't find the clips (of some of his blocking), but this guy has more upside than Joe Thomas (you can disagree, but I'm talking upside and I don't think it's debatable). Gaither is the NCAA's super freak OL. And importantly, he has shown the ability to dominate run blocking and pass protecting.

After displaying the super freak measureables in the spring of 06, he ran into some problems. Friedgen suspended him for in-house reasons, rumored to be disobeying the conditioning coach. When reinstated he was told he had to earn his job back, and in some strange psychological ploy Friedgen decided to roll with other tackles and let Gaither mature. I think this was a bad ploy. Gaither became an attitude problem. He may have had good reason to pout. He is young, and I doubt any other tackles were really looking better than him. He ended up earning a starting gig for the last nine games at RT, but he was in a tackle by committee-type rotation that didn't really allow him to get in the groove he did as a freshman. His play was not bad, but he seemed much more comfortable at LT than RT. For all his size, ungodly athleticism and freak strength, this kid has a nice finesse game. He isn't soft. Scores his pancakes and has a nasty punch, but he's agile, light on his feet, looks natural out on the edge at LT, not in the muck at RT.

Ravens, Cowboys, Bears, Panthers... all teams expecting to be picking later in the first round, all could afford to gamble on a beast like this, all have needs (due to age and talent) at tackle. I'll be surprised if one doesn't take the plunge.

I agree Gaither could bust. I like my OLs to be smarties. He may have some learning difficulties. He may have motivational issues, but I would be very careful to state that definitively. When happy and properly motivated he went day for day, hour for hour, work out by work out with Vernon Davis. The two of them were featured in a video about hard work in the offseason. Things just fell apart in the summer of 06. Maybe his coursework was a little much for him. I'd give him a long interview that's for sure. Physically... he may be the best prospect in the history of evah.

 
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Chaos Commish said:
Some team with high hopes for 07 and issues on the OL will use a first rounder on Gaither.

As far as his playing being suspect, he had a strange sophomore year. But while wet behind the ears and very green as a freshman, he was outstanding. It was only his second year playing football. He played hoops his first three years in HS. I like basketball skills on the OL. Gaither is 6-9 (maybe 8), and he goes 340. He charted a 36" vertical at over 340 in the Spring of 06. On the field as a freshman, he started 8 games at LT, had 2 penalties, and did not allow a sack. From a pure potential standpoint it was a jaw dropping performance. I can't find the clips (of some of his blocking), but this guy has more upside than Joe Thomas (you can disagree, but I'm talking upside and I don't think it's debatable). Gaither is the NCAA's super freak OL. And importantly, he has shown the ability to dominate run blocking and pass protecting.

After displaying the super freak measureables in the spring of 06, he ran into some problems. Friedgen suspended him for in-house reasons, rumored to be disobeying the conditioning coach. When reinstated he was told he had to earn his job back, and in some strange psychological ploy Friedgen decided to roll with other tackles and let Gaither mature. I think this was a bad ploy. Gaither became an attitude problem. He may have had good reason to pout. He is young, and I doubt any other tackles were really looking better than him. He ended up earning a starting gig for the last nine games at RT, but he was in a tackle by committee-type rotation that didn't really allow him to get in the groove he did as a freshman. His play was not bad, but he seemed much more comfortable at LT than RT. For all his size, ungodly athleticism and freak strength, this kid has a nice finesse game. He isn't soft. Scores his pancakes and has a nasty punch, but he's agile, light on his feet, looks natural out on the edge at LT, not in the muck at RT.

Ravens, Cowboys, Bears, Panthers... all teams expecting to be picking later in the first round, all could afford to gamble on a beast like this, all have needs (due to age and talent) at tackle. I'll be surprised if one doesn't take the plunge.

I agree Gaither could bust. I like my OLs to be smarties. He may have some learning difficulties. He may have motivational issues, but I would be very careful to state that definitively. When happy and properly motivated he went day for day, hour for hour, work out by work out with Vernon Davis. The two of them were featured in a video about hard work in the offseason. Things just fell apart in the summer of 06. Maybe his coursework was a little much for him. I'd give him a long interview that's for sure. Physically... he may be the best prospect in the history of evah.
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:thumbup: Leave it to you to make me feel less crazy for suggesting late 1st.

 
Chaos Commish said:
Some team with high hopes for 07 and issues on the OL will use a first rounder on Gaither.

As far as his playing being suspect, he had a strange sophomore year. But while wet behind the ears and very green as a freshman, he was outstanding. It was only his second year playing football. He played hoops his first three years in HS. I like basketball skills on the OL. Gaither is 6-9 (maybe 8), and he goes 340. He charted a 36" vertical at over 340 in the Spring of 06. On the field as a freshman, he started 8 games at LT, had 2 penalties, and did not allow a sack. From a pure potential standpoint it was a jaw dropping performance. I can't find the clips (of some of his blocking), but this guy has more upside than Joe Thomas (you can disagree, but I'm talking upside and I don't think it's debatable). Gaither is the NCAA's super freak OL. And importantly, he has shown the ability to dominate run blocking and pass protecting.

After displaying the super freak measureables in the spring of 06, he ran into some problems. Friedgen suspended him for in-house reasons, rumored to be disobeying the conditioning coach. When reinstated he was told he had to earn his job back, and in some strange psychological ploy Friedgen decided to roll with other tackles and let Gaither mature. I think this was a bad ploy. Gaither became an attitude problem. He may have had good reason to pout. He is young, and I doubt any other tackles were really looking better than him. He ended up earning a starting gig for the last nine games at RT, but he was in a tackle by committee-type rotation that didn't really allow him to get in the groove he did as a freshman. His play was not bad, but he seemed much more comfortable at LT than RT. For all his size, ungodly athleticism and freak strength, this kid has a nice finesse game. He isn't soft. Scores his pancakes and has a nasty punch, but he's agile, light on his feet, looks natural out on the edge at LT, not in the muck at RT.

Ravens, Cowboys, Bears, Panthers... all teams expecting to be picking later in the first round, all could afford to gamble on a beast like this, all have needs (due to age and talent) at tackle. I'll be surprised if one doesn't take the plunge.

I agree Gaither could bust. I like my OLs to be smarties. He may have some learning difficulties. He may have motivational issues, but I would be very careful to state that definitively. When happy and properly motivated he went day for day, hour for hour, work out by work out with Vernon Davis. The two of them were featured in a video about hard work in the offseason. Things just fell apart in the summer of 06. Maybe his coursework was a little much for him. I'd give him a long interview that's for sure. Physically... he may be the best prospect in the history of evah.
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Absolutely agree. At the very least he's worth a 2nd to the Raiders or Cardinals, but I expect someone to give up a 1st. If the Chargers didn't already have McNeil I think they'd pull the trigger on a 1st and even then I think he's worth it for them.You can watch the video here, Gaither comes in at the 4:20 mark

 
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Supplemental Draft Update: Paul OliverUniversity of Georgia CB Paul OliverUniversity of Georgia CB Paul Oliver By TFY Draft PreviewPosted Jun 26, 2007After his workout in front of NFL teams last week, defensive back Paul Oliver is starting to meet with franchises around the league. Here is the latest news on the supplemental draft's top prospect.By most accounts, Oliver's workout did not live up to expectation. One source from the Minnesota Vikings said Oliver looked out of shape, which was not surprising. Oliver trained just three weeks for his pro-day as he worked hard to stay academically eligible for the '07 college season until the very end.Besides the San Diego Chargers and Atlanta Falcons, the Kansas City Chiefs are also bringing Oliver in for a physical and interview. Additional teams are expected to schedule visits with Oliver after the July 4th holiday. Franchises have until July 12th, one day before the supplemental draft, to bring Oliver, or any other player eligible for the supplemental draft, to their facilities for a visit. As one league insider told us, if a team is bringing Oliver in at this point they are very serious about drafting him. Measuring just under 5-feet-11-inches and 198 pounds last week, most teams are looking at Oliver as a cover-two cornerback while some squads will consider him at safety. His combination of ball skills and hands have intrigued a number of scouts.
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What's the deal with players and the supplemental draft. I'm assuming they didn't declare for the regular draft and something changed afterwards ie. lost a year of elgibility, thrown out of school etc. to make them decide to turn pro? I was looking through Coyle's & Kiper's draft guides and I see no mention of these guys, I guess because they were inelgible to be drafted in April.

 
cstu said:
Chaos Commish said:
Some team with high hopes for 07 and issues on the OL will use a first rounder on Gaither.

As far as his playing being suspect, he had a strange sophomore year. But while wet behind the ears and very green as a freshman, he was outstanding. It was only his second year playing football. He played hoops his first three years in HS. I like basketball skills on the OL. Gaither is 6-9 (maybe 8), and he goes 340. He charted a 36" vertical at over 340 in the Spring of 06. On the field as a freshman, he started 8 games at LT, had 2 penalties, and did not allow a sack. From a pure potential standpoint it was a jaw dropping performance. I can't find the clips (of some of his blocking), but this guy has more upside than Joe Thomas (you can disagree, but I'm talking upside and I don't think it's debatable). Gaither is the NCAA's super freak OL. And importantly, he has shown the ability to dominate run blocking and pass protecting.

After displaying the super freak measureables in the spring of 06, he ran into some problems. Friedgen suspended him for in-house reasons, rumored to be disobeying the conditioning coach. When reinstated he was told he had to earn his job back, and in some strange psychological ploy Friedgen decided to roll with other tackles and let Gaither mature. I think this was a bad ploy. Gaither became an attitude problem. He may have had good reason to pout. He is young, and I doubt any other tackles were really looking better than him. He ended up earning a starting gig for the last nine games at RT, but he was in a tackle by committee-type rotation that didn't really allow him to get in the groove he did as a freshman. His play was not bad, but he seemed much more comfortable at LT than RT. For all his size, ungodly athleticism and freak strength, this kid has a nice finesse game. He isn't soft. Scores his pancakes and has a nasty punch, but he's agile, light on his feet, looks natural out on the edge at LT, not in the muck at RT.

Ravens, Cowboys, Bears, Panthers... all teams expecting to be picking later in the first round, all could afford to gamble on a beast like this, all have needs (due to age and talent) at tackle. I'll be surprised if one doesn't take the plunge.

I agree Gaither could bust. I like my OLs to be smarties. He may have some learning difficulties. He may have motivational issues, but I would be very careful to state that definitively. When happy and properly motivated he went day for day, hour for hour, work out by work out with Vernon Davis. The two of them were featured in a video about hard work in the offseason. Things just fell apart in the summer of 06. Maybe his coursework was a little much for him. I'd give him a long interview that's for sure. Physically... he may be the best prospect in the history of evah.
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Absolutely agree. At the very least he's worth a 2nd to the Raiders or Cardinals, but I expect someone to give up a 1st. If the Chargers didn't already have McNeil I think they'd pull the trigger on a 1st and even then I think he's worth it for them.You can watch the video here, Gaither comes in at the 4:20 mark
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Wow. I'd be shocked if he went for a 1st. I respect CC's opinion, so I am a lot more interested.But doesn't it seem like every supplemental draft, these players get hyped a bit? Maybe it's just my imagination, but it always seems like these supplemental guys go for lower picks than fans suggest.

 
I still think that a team that is sure of making the playoffs this year (as sure as is possible) should use a 1st on him. get him in there and start developing him as a player and a mature adult ASAP.

 
massraider said:
cstu said:
Chaos Commish said:
Some team with high hopes for 07 and issues on the OL will use a first rounder on Gaither.

As far as his playing being suspect, he had a strange sophomore year. But while wet behind the ears and very green as a freshman, he was outstanding. It was only his second year playing football. He played hoops his first three years in HS. I like basketball skills on the OL. Gaither is 6-9 (maybe 8), and he goes 340. He charted a 36" vertical at over 340 in the Spring of 06. On the field as a freshman, he started 8 games at LT, had 2 penalties, and did not allow a sack. From a pure potential standpoint it was a jaw dropping performance. I can't find the clips (of some of his blocking), but this guy has more upside than Joe Thomas (you can disagree, but I'm talking upside and I don't think it's debatable). Gaither is the NCAA's super freak OL. And importantly, he has shown the ability to dominate run blocking and pass protecting.

After displaying the super freak measureables in the spring of 06, he ran into some problems. Friedgen suspended him for in-house reasons, rumored to be disobeying the conditioning coach. When reinstated he was told he had to earn his job back, and in some strange psychological ploy Friedgen decided to roll with other tackles and let Gaither mature. I think this was a bad ploy. Gaither became an attitude problem. He may have had good reason to pout. He is young, and I doubt any other tackles were really looking better than him. He ended up earning a starting gig for the last nine games at RT, but he was in a tackle by committee-type rotation that didn't really allow him to get in the groove he did as a freshman. His play was not bad, but he seemed much more comfortable at LT than RT. For all his size, ungodly athleticism and freak strength, this kid has a nice finesse game. He isn't soft. Scores his pancakes and has a nasty punch, but he's agile, light on his feet, looks natural out on the edge at LT, not in the muck at RT.

Ravens, Cowboys, Bears, Panthers... all teams expecting to be picking later in the first round, all could afford to gamble on a beast like this, all have needs (due to age and talent) at tackle. I'll be surprised if one doesn't take the plunge.

I agree Gaither could bust. I like my OLs to be smarties. He may have some learning difficulties. He may have motivational issues, but I would be very careful to state that definitively. When happy and properly motivated he went day for day, hour for hour, work out by work out with Vernon Davis. The two of them were featured in a video about hard work in the offseason. Things just fell apart in the summer of 06. Maybe his coursework was a little much for him. I'd give him a long interview that's for sure. Physically... he may be the best prospect in the history of evah.
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Absolutely agree. At the very least he's worth a 2nd to the Raiders or Cardinals, but I expect someone to give up a 1st. If the Chargers didn't already have McNeil I think they'd pull the trigger on a 1st and even then I think he's worth it for them.You can watch the video here, Gaither comes in at the 4:20 mark
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Wow. I'd be shocked if he went for a 1st. I respect CC's opinion, so I am a lot more interested.But doesn't it seem like every supplemental draft, these players get hyped a bit? Maybe it's just my imagination, but it always seems like these supplemental guys go for lower picks than fans suggest.
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A 1st would surprise, but I wouldn't be shocked - Gaither is that good. These players usually have attitude/work ethic issues - which is why they are in the sup. draft, not the regular one - so teams are usually reluctant to risk much on them.

I think the sup. draft provides a lot of value and it's like getting an extra draft pick this year. It's hit or miss but you can get Pro Bowl quality players like Mike Wahle and Jamal Williams.

Supplemental Draft Picks

Name Year Rnd Team Pos College

Al Hunter 1977 4 Seahawks RB Notre Dame

Johnnie Dirden 1978 10 Oilers WR Sam Houston State

Rod Connors 1978 12 49ers RB Southern California

Rod Stewart 1979 6 Bills RB Kentucky

Matthew Teague 1980 7 Falcons DE Prairie View A&M

Billy Mullins 1980 9 Chargers WR USC

Dave Wilson 1981 1 Saints QB Illinois

Chy Davidson 1981 11 Patriots WR Rhode Island

Kevin Robinson 1982 9 Lions DB North Carolina A&T

Bernie Kosar 1985 1 Browns QB Miami (FL)

Roosevelt Snipes 1985 8 49ers RB Florida State

Charles Crawford 1986 7 Eagles RB Oklahoma State

Brian Bosworth 1987 1 Seahawks LB Oklahoma

Cris Carter 1987 4 Eagles WR Ohio State

Dan Sileo 1987 3 Buccaneers DT Miami (FL)

Ryan Bethea 1988 5 Vikings WR South Carolina

Steve Walsh 1989 1 Cowboys QB Miami (FL)

Timm Rosenbach 1989 1 Cardinals QB Washington State

Bobby Humphrey 1989 1 Broncos RB Alabama

Mike Lowman 1989 12 Cowboys RB Coffeyville JC

Brett Young 1989 8 Bills DB Oregon

Rob Moore 1990 1 Jets WR Syracuse

Willie Williams 1990 9 Cardinals TE Louisiana State

Dave Brown 1992 1 Giants QB Duke

Darren Mickell 1992 2 Chiefs DE Florida

Tito Wooten 1994 4 Giants DB Louisiana-Monroe

John Davis 1994 5 Cowboys TE Emporia State

Darren Benson 1995 3 Cowboys DT Arkansas State

Mike Wahle 1998 2 Packers T Navy

Jamal Williams 1998 2 Chargers DT Oklahoma State

J'Juan Cherry 1999 4 Patriots DB Arizona State

Milford Brown 2002 6 Texans OL Florida State

Tony Hollings 2003 2 Texans RB Georgia Tech

Manuel Wright 2005 5 Dolphins DT USC

Ahmad Brooks 2006 3 Bengals LB Virginia
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Agree about the attitude/work ethic thing, which is another reason I wonder if teams will pull the trigger early, with the way the NFL is stressing character thse days.

Anyway, here's a nice write up about the Sup draft, including the interesting note that as of July 1, Gaither has NOT declared for the supplemental draft:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/news/...amp;ucat=3&

I don't think it's subscriber content.

 
Penguin said:
What's the deal with players and the supplemental draft. I'm assuming they didn't declare for the regular draft and something changed afterwards ie. lost a year of elgibility, thrown out of school etc. to make them decide to turn pro? I was looking through Coyle's & Kiper's draft guides and I see no mention of these guys, I guess because they were inelgible to be drafted in April.
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http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...hl=supplemental
 
I'd be very suprised to see any team invest any first day pick on one of these guys. None of them are of the caliber of Brooks last year, and all have the level of personal issues.

Oliver timed too slow to be picked up for anything earlier than a third with his problems, Gaither is supposedly very lazy as well and is thought of to have a major weight issue.

My two cents at least.

 
East Central University OT Aaron Turner (6-5, 345 pounds) has been granted status by the NFL for the league's Supplemental Draft. He will be holding a workout Tuesday, July 10.

 
With an extra 3rd rounder (thanks to the Thomas Jones trade and subsequently San Diego trading up for it), I hope the Bears go after Gaither.

Jared Gaither, LT, Maryland… 6-8, 350, JR… Entered the 2007 summer supplemental draft when he was declared academically ineligible for the upcoming season; technically would only have been a true junior this fall, but is eligible to jump to the pros because he attended a prep school for a year after high school. Imposing physical presence with the potential to be a shut down LT at the next level; indeed, may be about the closest thing to current Baltimore Pro Bowler Jonathan Ogden to come along in a while, but is still just starting to scratch the surface of his talent; relative newcomer to football who was a basketball player in high school and actually originally signed to play hoops with South Carolina before switching to football; played only one year of prep football and that at DT; tall player with a huge wingspan; naturally strong with good athletic skills including a 36-inch vertical leap which would have been three inches more than the highest figure at this year’s combine; may not time all that well in the 40, but is very nimble on his feet; slides around the pocket with ease and can change directions; has excellent balance and can change directions; athletic knee bender, but needs to concentrate on keeping his pads low all the time; not exactly a road grader but is a solid enough run blocker who gets good position and locks on with long arms; did not allow a sack in 2005 when he started every game at LT for the Terps replacing an injured Stephon Heyer; maturity came into question last fall, though, when he reportedly sulked and got into the coaches’ doghouse after being moved to RT when Heyer was granted another year of eligibility; was suspended briefly at camp last fall and was later suspended from last year's bowl game for violating team rules, although it likely related to missing classes; also battled some nagging injuries late last season… Based on pure physical potential, Gaither may be the best supplemental draft prospect since Bernie Kosar was taken with what turned out to be a #1 pick overall back in the late 1980s, but is a real wild card because of concerns about his level of maturity and work ethic. Complicating the decision for many teams will be the fact that the 2008 draft looks like it will be relatively deep at OT. Teams that use a supplemental pick will, of course, lose their selection in that round at the 2008 draft and teams thinking about bidding on Gaither with an early supplemental choice will have to try and project where they will pick next April and which OTs are likely to be available at that time.

 
Texas State hybrid defender Mark Washington has been declared eligible for the NFL's special July 12 supplemental draft.

ESPN Article

Washington has played DE, DT and LB. He is projected as a LB on the NFL level.

Jeff, could you up-date the first post and add Washington and (Aaron) Turner to the list?

TIA,

Rody

 
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
Based on pure physical potential, Gaither may be the best supplemental draft prospect since Bernie Kosar was taken with what turned out to be a #1 pick overall back in the late 1980s, but is a real wild card because of concerns about his level of maturity and work ethic.
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Dave Brown was a top prospect, his career didn't quite pan out that way but....he's probably amongst the best potentially
 
Bri said:
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
Based on pure physical potential, Gaither may be the best supplemental draft prospect since Bernie Kosar was taken with what turned out to be a #1 pick overall back in the late 1980s, but is a real wild card because of concerns about his level of maturity and work ethic.
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Dave Brown was a top prospect, his career didn't quite pan out that way but....he's probably amongst the best potentially
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Don't forget Bosworth. :thumbup:
 
Gaither is 6-9(according to some) and 350lbs

I would figure not every NFL QB could see around him as smoothly and easily as it needs to be to hit some timing patterns. Curious if you guys think this will or won't matter when teams consider drafting him

 
I'm surprised everyone is on the Gaither bandwagon. For all the high-talent/low-character prospects that have come to draft day and slipped down the board, especially in recent years, I find it very hard to believe that Gaither is going to come away as a Day 1 pick. OTOH, i do think Paul Oliver is a borderline Day1/Day2 guy that is flying under the radar and is getting knocked relatively unfairly for a workout that he did not anticipate having IIRC. Most draft prospects start the training months before combine, especially those ultra-athletic WR/CB/S positions and Oliver likely had to to package together a regimen within a few weeks. I will knock his size here, as it turned out to be much more diminutive than originally advertised, but he has great off-ball skills and is a fantastic tackler. A good cover-2 fit but athleticism doesn't always spell a high draft choice. Naysayers will point to Daymeion Hughes, who fell due to poor workouts, but Travarious Bain wasn't drafted in spite of his fantastic numbers.

Another reasons for teams to potentially shy away from high choices is the glut of Day1 OT's next year. Sam Baker and Jake Long are the two LT's that everyone hears about but Tony Hills Jr and Barry Richardson are also top-notch talents and all four should be in consideration for top-2 round picks. Ciron Black and King Dunlap as well. These guys comprise what may be the most nfl-ready OT class in recent memory- all are fantastic talents, have impressive track records at high-profile programs and dont have the character flags of Gaither.

For me, i pass on Gaither for any of the names listed above. Day 1 talent to be sure but more importantly, a Day 2 prospect. To his credit, he was downright spectacular in 2005 filling in- but now i question his commitment and presence of mind to compose himself. And yes I do worry about his intelligence- OT's have historically tested out to have the highest IQ/Wonderlic scores out of any position on the football field. If Gaither is not able to diagnose plays he may run into some trouble but undoubtedly he will have his athleticism as a crutch.

As for interest, a few names pop out at the top - Vikings, Ravens, Chiefs, Pats, Bears: Correct me if I'm wrong but the Bears, Pats and the Vikes have 2 3rd-round picks if the bidding gets too high. The Ravens, OTOH, do not have a 3rd round pick due to the McGahee trade.

ETA: Rotoworld reporting that the Ravens, Falcons and Jaguars have "particular interest" in Gaither. I wonder why the Jaguars are in the running? :loco:

 
Per KFFL:

NFL | Gaither to hold workoutSun, 8 Jul 2007 11:11:51 -0700Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports University of Maryland OT Jared Gaither will hold a workout for NFL scouts Monday, July 9. Gaither will be participating in a full workout like the one done at the NFL Combine, according to his agent Kevin Pompey. "There is nothing to hide and nothing to hold back on. We want to make sure teams feel comfortable with Jared, and so he'll do everything they ask him. The situation isn't perfect, but it is what it is, so you've got to make the best of it. But people are coming because they feel there is a reason to come," said Pompey.
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Full Pasquarelli story:

Gaither to audition for scouts before supplemental draft

Len Pasquarelli

Updated: July 8, 2007

In what will likely be his only exposure to NFL talent evaluators before Thursday's supplemental draft, University of Maryland offensive tackle Jared Gaither will audition on Monday for league scouts.

Because of Gaither's potential, most of the league's 32 franchises are expected to be represented at the workout, which will take place on the Maryland campus. Agent Kevin Pompey said that Gaither will participate in a full, combine-style workout.

"There is nothing to hide and nothing to hold back on," Pompey said. "We want to make sure teams feel comfortable with Jared, and so he'll do everything they ask him. The situation isn't perfect, but it is what it is, so you've got to make the best of it. But people are coming because they feel there is a reason to come."

Gaither did not decide to make himself available in the supplemental draft until less than a month ago, when his efforts to regain academic eligibility in the Terrapins' program came up short. His application for the supplemental draft was not approved until this week, so Gaither, who has been working with the Maryland strength and conditioning staff, hasn't had much time to prepare for a workout.

Pompey said, though, that his client's weight is in the manageable 315- to 322-pound range -- it has been listed at times as high as 350 pounds -- and added that the 6-feet-9 Gaither continues to work hard and will be ready for the start of NFL training camp later this month.

Those teams which have demonstrated a particular interest in Gaither include Atlanta, Baltimore and Jacksonville.

A starter in 17 of his 23 appearances for Maryland over the past two seasons, Gaither might challenge University of Georgia cornerback Paul Oliver for top billing in the supplemental draft. The summertime lottery, which is limited to "special cases" players, includes 10 prospects this year. In addition to Oliver and Gaither, the consensus seems to be that Nebraska offensive lineman Chris Patrick is the only other player with a viable shot of being selected.

Any team that chooses a player in the supplemental draft must forfeit its corresponding pick in the regular-phase draft in April 2008. It must also fit the player into its 2007 rookie pool allocation when he signs a contract.

Blessed with great size, Gaither has surprisingly quick feet and is regarded as an outstanding pass protector, a blocker who might project as a left tackle at the professional level. In 2005, Gaither did not surrender a sack in his 11 starts. He did not play as well in 2006, but remains an intriguing prospect.

If Gaither performs well in front of scouts, he could earn a spot in the first three rounds of the supplemental draft.

"I don't think his expectations, at this point, are focused on where he is picked in the draft, as much as they are just getting chosen and getting settled in with a team," Pompey said. "With the draft, we'll let the chips fall where they fall, and then Jared will be ready to move forward with his career."

 
Well the workout results are in and are drawing mixed reviews from many.

The official numbers are as follows:

Height: <strong class='bbc'>6-feet-8¾</strong>Weight: <strong class='bbc'>324 pounds</strong>40 time: <strong class='bbc'>4.98-5.14 secsonds</strong>Vertical Jump: <strong class='bbc'>31½ inches</strong>Broad Jump: <strong class='bbc'>9'03</strong>20 yard Shuttle: <strong class='bbc'>4.49-4.53 seconds</strong>3 cone: <strong class='bbc'>7.12-7.25 seconds</strong>Bench Press: <strong class='bbc'>15 reps @ 225</strong>The comparisons to ogden are imminent. No tackle in recent memory has been this athletic with that sort of size. Naysayers will point to Alex Barron as the downside of his potential, simply because they have similar frames and similar weaknesses, but to me, the comparison is moot because Gaither is eons more athletic. Furthermore, their bodies of work couldn't be more different- while Barron came on strong late in his long college career, Gaither has essentially only one season under his belt early on in his short college career. But we'll leave it there- I think the comparisons are inaccurate and inapplicable. As for the results themselves, they are a mixed bag. Not a huge fan of his weight, I think he could stand to add a few pounds of muscle to his upper body and that certainly showed with his low number of bench reps. Doesn't concern me to a great degree as an NFL strengh-training regimen should get him on the right path but I do question his commitment. Maryland does have a fabled strength program and 16 reps certainly is a huge letdown- its reasonable to assume that even P Adam Podlesh put up close to these numbers. Again, its not that big of a concern but in light of the knocks against him, I question his work ethic.

Then again, some of his other numbers make me eat my words. All his other athletic results blow the competiton out of the water- in most circumstances, beating out those players who have 20+ pounds on him. A stat I particularly like,the 3 cone, was phenomenal and shows off his incredible lateral quickness and ability to change direction. While it is easy to get lost in the numbers, these results are secondary to his technique- which has been a problem at times. He plays a little upright, and unless he bulks, is at a severe disadvantage in terms of leverage. But he has the tools to be very special.

Overall my opinion hasn't changed on him one bit. I still grade him as a early Day2 prospect- but may end up costing a 3rd rounder due to a teams severity of need or opinion on him. I've heard from 3rd-6th round myself but teams certainly will have a much more clear picture. IMHO he will need to sit for some time before jumping into the fray but when he does, he may be special. May need a blocking TE crutch in order to keep his confidence high early on.

The three names that keep popping up are Atlanta, Jacksonville and Baltimore. But if this ends up being the only takers it is a two-dog race. Baltimore is effectively out of the running due to the fact that they will have the worst draft order and that is disastrous if the bidding does into the 4th round area. In order to secure Gaither- Baltimore then would have to give up a 3rd, which they dont have due to the Willis McGahee trade. Hence, the only scenario where Baltimore gets Gaither is if they settle on a 2nd round pick or if he falls to them in the late rounds. I think the former is more applicable so between Atlanta and Jacksonville, the Falcons are obviously the favorites (better draft position and bigger need) but if Jacksonville sees something they like, they can one-up the Falcons as they have a full slate of picks in 2008.

:goodposting:

 
A win again ov said:
Oilver to SD potentially
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It's odd how people make fun of the Lions for their first round WR run but don't mention the Chargers first round DB run. It might be as sad, but the picks haven't been as high.
 
After Houston gave up a 2nd rounder for super stud Tony Hollings, I stopped caring so much about the supplemental draft.

 
**UPDATE**

List is up to 11 players available:

FBG News Blogger

The 2 missing from Jeff's list are:

Eric McCain, WR, Glendale (Ariz.) Community College

Robert Armstrong, DT, Morgan State

It will be interesting to see who will get selected and where. The article linked in the news blogger has an in-depth look at the selection process. Interesting read.

Rody

 
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