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I think I'd take the hunter and the rats.

The hunter is useless against the rats and he should be able to take out most of the big game fairly easily.

The hawks will be a problem but I'd rather fend off 50 hawks than 10,000 rats.

Depending on the behavior of the animals you're dead regardless of choice.

If these animals are hellbent on killing you and ignore everything else, you're effed.

If they behave somewhat normally albiet aggressive then the rats could easily distract the larger animals while the hunter picks them off.

Hell 1000 rats could kill anyone of the animals on that list, so the hunter can take out the fast lions and wolves and the rats can take the rest. Just a matter of staying low and hoping the hawks aren't able to get your face/eyes before you can get help from the hunter.
 
Rats aren't gonna do anything to a crocodile.
100% wrong. Rats have killed and eaten smaller alligators and have the same bite force as a croc. You have no idea how much 10k of something is. That's 5 tons of rats. They could crush to death anything on the list forget about the fact they can literally gnaw through some metals and bone with ease. It would be horrifying.
 
Rats aren't gonna do anything to a crocodile.
100% wrong. Rats have killed and eaten smaller alligators and have the same bite force as a croc. You have no idea how much 10k of something is. That's 5 tons of rats. They could crush to death anything on the list forget about the fact they can literally gnaw through some metals and bone with ease. It would be horrifying.
Guess I have a hard time seeing them doing a lot of damage against three 1500 pound Kodiaks. Not like the rats are going to stand on top of one another. Don’t see how they would get a lot of traction against those bears if they continue moving and stomping them. Guess it depends on how big of an area but the bears just have to charge you right off the bat. The hunter isn’t going to get all 3.
 
Rats aren't gonna do anything to a crocodile.
100% wrong. Rats have killed and eaten smaller alligators and have the same bite force as a croc. You have no idea how much 10k of something is. That's 5 tons of rats. They could crush to death anything on the list forget about the fact they can literally gnaw through some metals and bone with ease. It would be horrifying.
Guess I have a hard time seeing them doing a lot of damage against three 1500 pound Kodiaks. Not like the rats are going to stand on top of one another. Don’t see how they would get a lot of traction against those bears if they continue moving and stomping them. Guess it depends on how big of an area but the bears just have to charge you right off the bat. The hunter isn’t going to get all 3.
I think rats are formidable if the goal is to be the only animal left standing.

But needing to survive one hour vs. 10K rats is easy. Their max speed is about 5 mph, not much faster than a brisk walk. One could easily dodge the swarm riding a buffalo, or stomp a path with a mini-herd.

They only win a protracted war of attrition, which isn’t the goal of the scenario.
 
Rats aren't gonna do anything to a crocodile.
100% wrong. Rats have killed and eaten smaller alligators and have the same bite force as a croc. You have no idea how much 10k of something is. That's 5 tons of rats. They could crush to death anything on the list forget about the fact they can literally gnaw through some metals and bone with ease. It would be horrifying.
Now you're just making stuff up.

a rat has a maximum bite force of 2000 psi. A saltwater crocodile has a bite force of 3700 psi--the strongest ever measured (there are computer models that show great white sharks have 4000 and orcas have 19,000).

Veteran of the deadly animal draft here. Rats are just nuisances, not killing machines.
 
10k is so many though - wouldn’t they just overwhelm you and suffocate you? Like the army of the dead in LOTR or something
 
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10k is so many though - wouldn’t they just overwhelm you and suffocate you? Like the army of the dead in LOTR or something
Meh. It’s not like they’re dropped on top of you, or form some mega rat-voltron beast to chase you down.

You just have to evade a bunch of critters whose principle method of transport is scurrying.
 
You guys are really underestimating these rats
You guys are overestimating strength in numbers. Excluding diseases they carry, has a rat ever killed a human? What about a bunch of rats?

Based on the (minimal) physical threat they pose, rats are the least dangerous animal on the list.
 
According to Ask AI & Question AI www.iAsk.ai:

Analysis of the Scenario

To determine which two animals would be the best defenders in an arena filled with various predators and threats, we need to analyze the strengths and weaknesses of each option available. The goal is to survive for one hour against the attacking animals.

Animal Breakdown

  1. Hawks (50): They are fast and can attack from above, but they lack significant strength and may not be able to fend off larger predators effectively.
  2. Crocodiles (10): These reptiles are powerful in water but are less effective on land. Their strength lies in their bite force, but they may not be able to move quickly enough to defend against multiple attackers.
  3. Brown Bears (3): Brown bears are large, strong, and capable of defending territory aggressively. They have significant physical power and can take down many smaller animals.
  4. Wolves (15): Wolves are pack hunters known for their intelligence and teamwork. However, they may struggle against larger opponents like bears or lions.
  5. Hunter with Rifle (1): A human with a rifle could potentially eliminate threats from a distance, but this depends on their skill level and ammunition availability.
  6. Buffalo (7): Buffaloes are large herd animals that can defend themselves effectively against predators due to their size and strength.
  7. Rats (10,000): While numerous, rats lack individual combat effectiveness against larger predators.
  8. Gorillas (5): Gorillas are strong primates capable of defending themselves; however, they may not be as aggressive as other options when threatened.
  9. Lions (4): Lions are apex predators with significant hunting skills and physical prowess, making them formidable attackers.
Choosing Defenders

Given the analysis above, we need to select two defenders who can provide both offensive capabilities and defensive strength:

  • Brown Bears: Their size, strength, and aggression make them excellent defenders against most of the threats present in the arena.
  • Buffalo: Their size allows them to withstand attacks from smaller predators like wolves or rats while also being able to charge at threats like lions or crocodiles if necessary.
The combination of brown bears’ offensive capabilities along with buffalo’s defensive presence creates a balanced defense that maximizes survival chances against the diverse array of attackers.

Conclusion

In conclusion, choosing the brown bears for their aggressive defense capabilities combined with buffalo for their protective bulk provides a strategic advantage in surviving an hour against multiple attacking species in this scenario.

Bold Answer: Brown Bears and Buffalo
 
I would need specifics on the hunter. If this is Jesse Ventura from predator, then I’m taking him. If this is SWC’ers drunk hunter, I’m not. Arena type is a big need to know too.

If this scenario is the hunter is an average guy with a bolt action rifle and we are in a football stadium, give me 7 African Cape buffalos and 3 Kodiak brown bears. With the capes going 2 k a piece and Kodiaks 1500 a piece at speeds of 35 mph, I’m going sure mass here.
What if it is The Predator? :moneybag:
Then I would choose Ahnalld
 
According to Ask AI & Question AI www.iAsk.ai:

Analysis of the Scenario

To determine which two animals would be the best defenders in an arena filled with various predators and threats, we need to analyze the strengths and weaknesses of each option available. The goal is to survive for one hour against the attacking animals.

Animal Breakdown

  1. Hawks (50): They are fast and can attack from above, but they lack significant strength and may not be able to fend off larger predators effectively.
  2. Crocodiles (10): These reptiles are powerful in water but are less effective on land. Their strength lies in their bite force, but they may not be able to move quickly enough to defend against multiple attackers.
  3. Brown Bears (3): Brown bears are large, strong, and capable of defending territory aggressively. They have significant physical power and can take down many smaller animals.
  4. Wolves (15): Wolves are pack hunters known for their intelligence and teamwork. However, they may struggle against larger opponents like bears or lions.
  5. Hunter with Rifle (1): A human with a rifle could potentially eliminate threats from a distance, but this depends on their skill level and ammunition availability.
  6. Buffalo (7): Buffaloes are large herd animals that can defend themselves effectively against predators due to their size and strength.
  7. Rats (10,000): While numerous, rats lack individual combat effectiveness against larger predators.
  8. Gorillas (5): Gorillas are strong primates capable of defending themselves; however, they may not be as aggressive as other options when threatened.
  9. Lions (4): Lions are apex predators with significant hunting skills and physical prowess, making them formidable attackers.
Choosing Defenders

Given the analysis above, we need to select two defenders who can provide both offensive capabilities and defensive strength:

  • Brown Bears: Their size, strength, and aggression make them excellent defenders against most of the threats present in the arena.
  • Buffalo: Their size allows them to withstand attacks from smaller predators like wolves or rats while also being able to charge at threats like lions or crocodiles if necessary.
The combination of brown bears’ offensive capabilities along with buffalo’s defensive presence creates a balanced defense that maximizes survival chances against the diverse array of attackers.

Conclusion

In conclusion, choosing the brown bears for their aggressive defense capabilities combined with buffalo for their protective bulk provides a strategic advantage in surviving an hour against multiple attacking species in this scenario.

Bold Answer: Brown Bears and Buffalo
This AI knows things.

I think there should have been an additional option of 1 elephant, 2 rhinos, or 2 hippos.
 
You guys are really underestimating these rats
You guys are overestimating strength in numbers. Excluding diseases they carry, has a rat ever killed a human? What about a bunch of rats?

Based on the (minimal) physical threat they pose, rats are the least dangerous animal on the list.
I'd agree somewhat if we are going to ignore the setup of the question. How many times have a huge number of rats ignored their natural instincts and attacked a single human all at the same time? And it's tough to run away from 10,000 rats attacking you while 70+ faster dangerous animals are also chasing you and a hunter has you in his sights.
 
You guys are really underestimating these rats
You guys are overestimating strength in numbers. Excluding diseases they carry, has a rat ever killed a human? What about a bunch of rats?

Based on the (minimal) physical threat they pose, rats are the least dangerous animal on the list.
I'd agree somewhat if we are going to ignore the setup of the question. How many times have a huge number of rats ignored their natural instincts and attacked a single human all at the same time? And it's tough to run away from 10,000 rats attacking you while 70+ faster dangerous animals are also chasing you and a hunter has you in his sights.
That’s why you choose a large group of fast animals to protect you, ie. the buffalo.
 
In a vacuum, I think I could only survive an hour with angry rats, or crocs out of water.

ETA The size of the arena is important, of course.
 
I think I’d take the hunter and the gorillas. Rats, Brown bears, crocodiles, wolves, lions, and hawks all feast on dead animals. If the hunter killed the buffalo—which should be decently easy in an arena—-pretty much every other animal is going to feast on the carcasses and possibly fight each other for the carcasses. The gorillas are perhaps the only crazy strong, aggressive animal that wouldn’t be distracted by dead carcasses and they are the easily the most intelligent (outside of the hunter) on that list.
 
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X Y Z X


X = Bison
Y = Hunter riding a Bison
Z = Me riding a Bison
All my pretty spacing went away. You get the picture - Bison wedge formation plowing through the arena while the hunter picks off the big game.
25 eagles dive bomb the hunter while the other 25 pick you off. ive come to the conclusion as someone else in here said is to maybe just have the hunter take you out to save the probable mauling....
 
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X = Bison
Y = Hunter riding a Bison
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A bison* phalanx, or circle with me riding the center one, would be pretty difficult for any of those animals/hunter to penetrate. Especially if they’re running at 30-45 mph - apparently they have good endurance, and can run for miles without much rest.

The pack of wolves could pick off the hunter and bigger predators sequentially, while the bison would readily trample thousands of rats.

Assuming a big enough arena, only the hawks would pose much of a threat.

*They actually said buffalo, which isn’t exactly the same thing. I’d still take any big, fast animal that can be rode like a horse.
 
X
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X Y Z X


X = Bison
Y = Hunter riding a Bison
Z = Me riding a Bison
All my pretty spacing went away. You get the picture - Bison wedge formation plowing through the arena while the hunter picks off the big game.
25 eagles dive bomb the hunter while the other 25 pick you off. ive come to the conclusion as someone else in here said is to maybe just have the hunter take you out to save the probable mauling....
Agree. The hawks are a problem.
 
X
X X
X Y Z X


X = Bison
Y = Hunter riding a Bison
Z = Me riding a Bison
All my pretty spacing went away. You get the picture - Bison wedge formation plowing through the arena while the hunter picks off the big game.
25 eagles dive bomb the hunter while the other 25 pick you off. ive come to the conclusion as someone else in here said is to maybe just have the hunter take you out to save the probable mauling....
Agree. The hawks are a problem.
Meh, pick your poison. I can punch a hawk to some effect, I can’t punch a gorilla more than once.

Plus, the hawks always come up short in a big game situation, especially in an arena.
 
X
X X
X Y Z X


X = Bison
Y = Hunter riding a Bison
Z = Me riding a Bison
All my pretty spacing went away. You get the picture - Bison wedge formation plowing through the arena while the hunter picks off the big game.
25 eagles dive bomb the hunter while the other 25 pick you off. ive come to the conclusion as someone else in here said is to maybe just have the hunter take you out to save the probable mauling....
Agree. The hawks are a problem.
Yup. Using a football field as the arena with my guys (7 African Buffalo & 3 Brown Bear) starting at one end and enemies at the other, i'd try to hold on to the horns and ride 1of the buffalo while 4 others box me in. that leaves me 2 buffalo and 3 bear to handle business. i send 2 bear at the hunter first, both which would cover the 100 yards in under 10 seconds. i lose 1 of the bears possibly to the hunter, but he isnt getting them both before he has the gun shoved up a place he doesn't want it shoved up. that would leave me with 2 1500 pound bears and 2 2000 pound capes to rally around my circle.

It comes down to the dang birds being the death of me.
 
1 - i don't know how the rats would be as protection but i don't think they could be stopped from getting to you. Only a few out of 10,000 would need to get through. So I'll take rats as 1 protector just so they don't kill me.

2 - Buffalo (7): Buffaloes due to their speed, size and strength.

TBH, don't like my chances much more than if I was protected by the AFLAC duck and Limu Imu.
 
1 - i don't know how the rats would be as protection but i don't think they could be stopped from getting to you. Only a few out of 10,000 would need to get through. So I'll take rats as 1 protector just so they don't kill me.

2 - Buffalo (7): Buffaloes due to their speed, size and strength.

TBH, don't like my chances much more than if I was protected by the AFLAC duck and Limu Imu.
I’ve heard Doug is a fierce defender.
 
X
X X
X Y Z X


X = Bison
Y = Hunter riding a Bison
Z = Me riding a Bison
All my pretty spacing went away. You get the picture - Bison wedge formation plowing through the arena while the hunter picks off the big game.
25 eagles dive bomb the hunter while the other 25 pick you off. ive come to the conclusion as someone else in here said is to maybe just have the hunter take you out to save the probable mauling....
Agree. The hawks are a problem.
Yup. Using a football field as the arena with my guys (7 African Buffalo & 3 Brown Bear) starting at one end and enemies at the other, i'd try to hold on to the horns and ride 1of the buffalo while 4 others box me in. that leaves me 2 buffalo and 3 bear to handle business. i send 2 bear at the hunter first, both which would cover the 100 yards in under 10 seconds. i lose 1 of the bears possibly to the hunter, but he isnt getting them both before he has the gun shoved up a place he doesn't want it shoved up. that would leave me with 2 1500 pound bears and 2 2000 pound capes to rally around my circle.

It comes down to the dang birds being the death of me.
Maybe the buffalo/hawk combo is the winner?

They could certainly take out the hunter quickly, and eat rats under normal circumstances. Just don’t think they’d be much help with everything else. But maybe they could distract the large animals for an hour, while playing keep-away with your team of buffalo?
 
As a member of the winning DaD team, I feel confident in saying my opinions should be weighted the most.

First - the hawks are way over hyped here. As someone who themselves have chickens and deals with hawks on a regular basis, I would not be afraid at all of them. Yes, they will do damage and yes they will disrupt, but they aren't killers to humans and above, and each and every animal, including crocs, will be able to easily snatch and eat them. The biggest benefit they may produce is "running cover" if the hunter is not on our team.

Next - rats. I wont say undervalued, but they are the sleepers here. Again, as someone who themselves have chickens and deal with rats on a regular basis, I would be afraid of 100 of them, let alone 1000 of them, let let alone 10000 of them. They are quick, not fast, but will be able to avoid most attacks from most animals. Also, as noted earlier, if coordinated the sheer volume of these will be overwhelming to any attacker.

As for what to choose - it is just as important to choose what is on your team vs what you wont have to battle against. Based on this, you have to take the rats. In any arena, large or small, 10000 rats is a horrible matchup against a human. In addition, none of the other animals can defend us from 10000 rats. The sheer volume would overwhelm us.

Next, I think I want to choose something with arms. While I love the buffalo and lions for their bulk and force, I think not having arms will hurt in defending. This leaves us with the gorillas and bears.

Next, I think you cant take the hunter because they cant defend you against the rest of the animals by volume. Even if the hunter gets off perfect kill shots, it is at least 3 shots before he gets to me with my animal tanks.

Finally, while I dont think we could ever choose the wolves, having to defend with any combination against 15 coordinated wolves would be problematic. The rats cant defend them and the gorillas and bears I dont think could hold off the quantity. Add in a wolf could take you out pretty quick makes their attack a huge challenge.

In closing, if it was standard animal intelligence, ie I cant control them per se and only direct them with basic commands, I would choose the gorillas and rats. If I could talk and really coordinate with them Im taking the bears and rats.

Game starts and I use my bears/gorillas to defend me until the rats take out the hunter. Once the hunter is gone the rats some back to base and take out anything which gets close. And if I see any of those stinky hawks, ill just be swatting them away like the bitches they are.
 
I know others have covered it, but you kind of have to take the 10,000 rats.

I WANT to take the gorillas as I think between them and the rats I'd be in good shape, but with the lone bullet theory and the fact that the hunter can likely get off 1 shot and kill you from the get-go, I have to take the hunter even though I think he'll ultimately die faster than the gorillas would because I'd assume he'd shoot at me first instead of rat #1, rat #2, etc.

Excluding the hunter, Rats and Gorillas seems like a pretty clear winner.
 
Excluding the hunter, Rats and Gorillas seems like a pretty clear winner.
I disagree but you’re close.

No where in the OP premise does it state you need to be “on the field”. I’m going out-of-the-box and going into the rafters with my gorillas/hawks.

Whether the opponent hunter goes into the “start”-buzzer fully loaded/aiming or not, a hawk will be blocking his line of fire while the rest are gonna be diving for his eyes/jugular/gun.

The gorillas are taking me straight to the rafters.

What’s gonna come close to me?

Rats walking single-file over an I-beam?

You think a few lions “clawing” on a steel balance beam will have the balance of multiple gorillas? My simian friends would be laughing their a$$es off.
 
I was thinking this was a Gladiator type arena. High walls, no rafters, open space, no water.

If Polar Bears were on offer, I'd take them and the rats.
 
While you all are making your plans, a 7-year-old was demonstrating his successful plan over the course of 5 days.
Young boy survives 5 nights lost in "unforgiving wild" of game park full of lions, hippos and elephants

Mutsa Murombedzi, a member of Zimbabwe's parliament, said in a Wednesday post on social media that Tinotenda Pudu had strayed into the Matusadona Game Park and ended up "sleeping on a rocky perch, amidst roaring lions, passing elephants… and just the unforgiving wild," before he was eventually found by rangers.
 
I think you guys are over estimating the rats. Rats generally prey on dead carcasses and smaller live animals. Rats are not likely to gang up and attack a live human especially around lots of other large animals—including hawks. Most of the animals here would not normally be the aggressor against a human unless they thought that human was a threat. Almost every animal here (with the exception of the gorillas and buffalo )feast on dead carcasses. Effectively, if the hunter could take out or hobble a couple of the buffalo—the other animals with the exception of the gorillas would spend at least an hour consuming thousands of pounds of buffalo meat. If for some reason a couple of the other animals somehow went against their natural instincts and decided against going after an easy meal—I would gladly be happy having an armed.skilled hunter and gorillas as protection. The ONLY animals in this hypothetical that wouldnt be distracted and motivated by a hobbled/dead animal would be the gorillas, the buffalo and the hunter. I would have to pick the hunter because having him on my side would be the easiest and safest way to provide the carcass of a dead animal through shooting the buffalo—and the gorilla would be the animal that would be the hardest to kill even with the aid of a hunter. They are insanely strong, they are massively intelligent, and because of this—I would choose them as a second partner. In a situation like this—you want to maximize your chances—but also maximize the amount of intelligence on your side. The intelligence levels of the hunter and the gorillas is by far and away greater than any of the other animals in this hypothetical.
 
I think you guys are over estimating the rats. Rats generally prey on dead carcasses and smaller live animals. Rats are not likely to gang up and attack a live human especially around lots of other large animals—including hawks. Most of the animals here would not normally be the aggressor against a human unless they thought that human was a threat. Almost every animal here (with the exception of the gorillas and buffalo )feast on dead carcasses. Effectively, if the hunter could take out or hobble a couple of the buffalo—the other animals with the exception of the gorillas would spend at least an hour consuming thousands of pounds of buffalo meat. If for some reason a couple of the other animals somehow went against their natural instincts and decided against going after an easy meal—I would gladly be happy having an armed.skilled hunter and gorillas as protection. The ONLY animals in this hypothetical that wouldnt be distracted and motivated by a hobbled/dead animal would be the gorillas, the buffalo and the hunter. I would have to pick the hunter because having him on my side would be the easiest and safest way to provide the carcass of a dead animal through shooting the buffalo—and the gorilla would be the animal that would be the hardest to kill even with the aid of a hunter. They are insanely strong, they are massively intelligent, and because of this—I would choose them as a second partner. In a situation like this—you want to maximize your chances—but also maximize the amount of intelligence on your side. The intelligence levels of the hunter and the gorillas is by far and away greater than any of the other animals in this hypothetical.
Original post literally says the other animals are there to attack you.
 
I think you guys are over estimating the rats. Rats generally prey on dead carcasses and smaller live animals. Rats are not likely to gang up and attack a live human especially around lots of other large animals—including hawks. Most of the animals here would not normally be the aggressor against a human unless they thought that human was a threat. Almost every animal here (with the exception of the gorillas and buffalo )feast on dead carcasses. Effectively, if the hunter could take out or hobble a couple of the buffalo—the other animals with the exception of the gorillas would spend at least an hour consuming thousands of pounds of buffalo meat. If for some reason a couple of the other animals somehow went against their natural instincts and decided against going after an easy meal—I would gladly be happy having an armed.skilled hunter and gorillas as protection. The ONLY animals in this hypothetical that wouldnt be distracted and motivated by a hobbled/dead animal would be the gorillas, the buffalo and the hunter. I would have to pick the hunter because having him on my side would be the easiest and safest way to provide the carcass of a dead animal through shooting the buffalo—and the gorilla would be the animal that would be the hardest to kill even with the aid of a hunter. They are insanely strong, they are massively intelligent, and because of this—I would choose them as a second partner. In a situation like this—you want to maximize your chances—but also maximize the amount of intelligence on your side. The intelligence levels of the hunter and the gorillas is by far and away greater than any of the other animals in this hypothetical.
Original post literally says the other animals are there to attack you.
Thats fair—but I still think that an animal is going to be an animal in those circumstances. I don’t think hawks would attack a live human when there are a community of rats to feast on. The only “characters” in this hypothetical that would have the intelligence to set aside their animal instincts would be the humans and the gorillas.
 

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