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Tyler Perry is the guy who made all those movies that had the same story line. And I think he also cross dresses in most of them.

 
So did Woo lose a million dollars by winning the last immunity challenge?

Assuming Kass takes Woo.

The jury said they would have voted for Woo than Kass. I expected them to say that but if they heard a jury case by Kass maybe they think otherwise. The lopsided 9-1 vote for Tony shows they might lean reason than bitterness.

 
So did Woo lose a million dollars by winning the last immunity challenge?

Assuming Kass takes Woo.

The jury said they would have voted for Woo than Kass. I expected them to say that but if they heard a jury case by Kass maybe they think otherwise. The lopsided 9-1 vote for Tony shows they might lean reason than bitterness.
I think he lost the million by making a poor decision.

 
So did Woo lose a million dollars by winning the last immunity challenge?

Assuming Kass takes Woo.

The jury said they would have voted for Woo than Kass. I expected them to say that but if they heard a jury case by Kass maybe they think otherwise. The lopsided 9-1 vote for Tony shows they might lean reason than bitterness.
they would listen to reason but based on the ponderosa it wouldn't have been enough for them to vote for kass. Kass said in another video that should have completely used the stage to blow the entire tribal up since she knew she wouldn't win.
 
So did Woo lose a million dollars by winning the last immunity challenge?

Assuming Kass takes Woo.

The jury said they would have voted for Woo than Kass. I expected them to say that but if they heard a jury case by Kass maybe they think otherwise. The lopsided 9-1 vote for Tony shows they might lean reason than bitterness.
they would listen to reason but based on the ponderosa it wouldn't have been enough for them to vote for kass. Kass said in another video that should have completely used the stage to blow the entire tribal up since she knew she wouldn't win.
So that half-second win by Woo likely cost him a million.

 
Yeah in retrospect Woo was better off if Kass won the final challenge. She would have taken him and he wouldn't have had to make that tough decision himself on who to take to the final two. Tony was able to get into his head and guilt him into staying true to Tony.

The sad part is Tony would have respected Woo and wouldn't have had hard feelings if Woo had chosen Kass. None of the jury would.

 
Also, I don't think Tony played the best game. Spencer played the best game, but had the deck stacked against him. Tony played the best game and caught some breaks by being in power most of the time.

Spencer's only mistake in game play, as far as I could tell, was using his idol - or not using it for his alliance.
I think Tasha played just as well as those two. As for Spencer, I'm probably in the minority, but I didn't like his speech to the jury regarding Tony. I think it's Tony's job to defend himself, and persuade the jury to vote for him.

 
Yeah in retrospect Woo was better off if Kass won the final challenge. She would have taken him and he wouldn't have had to make that tough decision himself on who to take to the final two. Tony was able to get into his head and guilt him into staying true to Tony.

The sad part is Tony would have respected Woo and wouldn't have had hard feelings if Woo had chosen Kass. None of the jury would.
Kass would have taken Tony. So as dumb as the move was, it actually worked in his favor.

 
Yeah in retrospect Woo was better off if Kass won the final challenge. She would have taken him and he wouldn't have had to make that tough decision himself on who to take to the final two. Tony was able to get into his head and guilt him into staying true to Tony.

The sad part is Tony would have respected Woo and wouldn't have had hard feelings if Woo had chosen Kass. None of the jury would.
Kass would have taken Tony. So as dumb as the move was, it actually worked in his favor.
She really is just a vile, detestable woman. There is no way her husband loves that monster. Probably wishes she died over there.

 
Yeah in retrospect Woo was better off if Kass won the final challenge. She would have taken him and he wouldn't have had to make that tough decision himself on who to take to the final two. Tony was able to get into his head and guilt him into staying true to Tony.

The sad part is Tony would have respected Woo and wouldn't have had hard feelings if Woo had chosen Kass. None of the jury would.
Kass would have taken Tony. So as dumb as the move was, it actually worked in his favor.
She really is just a vile, detestable woman. There is no way her husband loves that monster. Probably wishes she died over there.
:lmao: im actually upset she didnt make the final now after seeing that. it would have been a @#$%show

 
Yeah in retrospect Woo was better off if Kass won the final challenge. She would have taken him and he wouldn't have had to make that tough decision himself on who to take to the final two. Tony was able to get into his head and guilt him into staying true to Tony.

The sad part is Tony would have respected Woo and wouldn't have had hard feelings if Woo had chosen Kass. None of the jury would.
Kass would have taken Tony. So as dumb as the move was, it actually worked in his favor.
She really is just a vile, detestable woman. There is no way her husband loves that monster. Probably wishes she died over there.
:lmao: im actually upset she didnt make the final now after seeing that. it would have been a @#$%show
Except she never would have actually done it. The producers should have arranged a terrible accident for Woo as a final tribal involving any combination of the other three would have been epic.

 
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Why can't they do a blood vs. water with entirely new players? Did they specify there were returning players?

 
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Aside from the fact that they both coughed up a million dollars, there is a huge difference between what Woo did and what Colby did.

I believe that Woo was struggling with the deserving to win part. He may not be smart but certainly he knew taking Tony had a big chance of derailing his game. It's not a decision I would make but I can't fault him for it. Bottom line is he didn't deserve to win and he knew it, the only way he could claim he did is if he beat the best guy out there.

Colby on the other hand was the best player that season and only by his stupidity did he take it away from himself. There was no good reason not to take the easy road to victory there.

I see these cases very differently.

 
Yeah in retrospect Woo was better off if Kass won the final challenge. She would have taken him and he wouldn't have had to make that tough decision himself on who to take to the final two. Tony was able to get into his head and guilt him into staying true to Tony.

The sad part is Tony would have respected Woo and wouldn't have had hard feelings if Woo had chosen Kass. None of the jury would.
Kass would have taken Tony. So as dumb as the move was, it actually worked in his favor.
She really is just a vile, detestable woman. There is no way her husband loves that monster. Probably wishes she died over there.
She was spot on about Woo though.

 
Also, I don't think Tony played the best game. Spencer played the best game, but had the deck stacked against him. Tony played the best game and caught some breaks by being in power most of the time.

Spencer's only mistake in game play, as far as I could tell, was using his idol - or not using it for his alliance.
I think Tasha played just as well as those two. As for Spencer, I'm probably in the minority, but I didn't like his speech to the jury regarding Tony. I think it's Tony's job to defend himself, and persuade the jury to vote for him.
I tend to agree. if I was on the jury, his speech might have actually turned me off. are you the ####### cheerleader now? I'll vote how I want.

 
Yeah in retrospect Woo was better off if Kass won the final challenge. She would have taken him and he wouldn't have had to make that tough decision himself on who to take to the final two. Tony was able to get into his head and guilt him into staying true to Tony.

The sad part is Tony would have respected Woo and wouldn't have had hard feelings if Woo had chosen Kass. None of the jury would.
Kass would have taken Tony. So as dumb as the move was, it actually worked in his favor.
She really is just a vile, detestable woman. There is no way her husband loves that monster. Probably wishes she died over there.
:lmao: im actually upset she didnt make the final now after seeing that. it would have been a @#$%show
"I want to let Tony know he won by default, instead of going up against a good player at final 2, and his win doesn't count."

"But, if I was still in the game, I know these people on the jury would never vote for me, so I might as well take Tony along and enjoy the fireworks." (oh, so Tony would win the million by default anyway?)

 
Why can't they do a blood vs. water with entirely new players? Did they specify there were returning players?
It is all new players. There was some thought given as to how to make it so that it was easy to remember who is paired up with who since everyone is new, but Jeff says "they've solved that problem."

There is also some kind of Redemption Island involved. Players can switch with the loved one who's voted out. It is supposed to somehow be different than RI's in the past, but I'm not sure how.

 
Yeah in retrospect Woo was better off if Kass won the final challenge. She would have taken him and he wouldn't have had to make that tough decision himself on who to take to the final two. Tony was able to get into his head and guilt him into staying true to Tony.

The sad part is Tony would have respected Woo and wouldn't have had hard feelings if Woo had chosen Kass. None of the jury would.
Kass would have taken Tony. So as dumb as the move was, it actually worked in his favor.
She really is just a vile, detestable woman. There is no way her husband loves that monster. Probably wishes she died over there.
She was spot on about Woo though.
She's 100% right. And keep in mind this is the day after being voted out by Woo in an act of incredible stupidity.

 
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Also, I don't think Tony played the best game. Spencer played the best game, but had the deck stacked against him. Tony played the best game and caught some breaks by being in power most of the time.

Spencer's only mistake in game play, as far as I could tell, was using his idol - or not using it for his alliance.
I think Tasha played just as well as those two. As for Spencer, I'm probably in the minority, but I didn't like his speech to the jury regarding Tony. I think it's Tony's job to defend himself, and persuade the jury to vote for him.
I tend to agree. if I was on the jury, his speech might have actually turned me off. are you the ####### cheerleader now? I'll vote how I want.
Meh. Superfans of the game that just spent 30-some days eating rice and coconuts knew what he was saying was true. 8-1 is a demolition. Because Woo SUCKED.

 
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Yeah in retrospect Woo was better off if Kass won the final challenge. She would have taken him and he wouldn't have had to make that tough decision himself on who to take to the final two. Tony was able to get into his head and guilt him into staying true to Tony.

The sad part is Tony would have respected Woo and wouldn't have had hard feelings if Woo had chosen Kass. None of the jury would.
Kass would have taken Tony. So as dumb as the move was, it actually worked in his favor.
She really is just a vile, detestable woman. There is no way her husband loves that monster. Probably wishes she died over there.
:lmao: im actually upset she didnt make the final now after seeing that. it would have been a @#$%show
"I want to let Tony know he won by default, instead of going up against a good player at final 2, and his win doesn't count."

"But, if I was still in the game, I know these people on the jury would never vote for me, so I might as well take Tony along and enjoy the fireworks." (oh, so Tony would win the million by default anyway?)
She's so incredibly delusional in her assessment of her own genius.

It's a social game. In the end, it literally comes down to getting people to vote for you. Kass managed to get herself absolutely hated by more people than any other player I've seen. She was a pariah by the end. Other jurors went out of their way to attack her during the final tribal, rather than fully addressing the finalists.

You can make the case that by this social metric, she is one of the worst players the game has ever seen. There's something to be said for lasting in the game a while, but I don't think her chances of winning were any higher than J'Tia's ("I'm a nukular engineer, and I'z straight up CRAYZEE!!!") or Garrett's ("37 days on an island? I'd better get shredded!").

I'd still like to see her back. :shrug:

 
I'm not spending 17 minutes listening to that subhuman pig talk. Can you give the cliff notes?

She calls Tony the cult leader in that other 4 minute interview she did, she's as delusional about herself as a cult leader would be.

She would have gotten crushed against most, possibly even Trish.

 
i didn't like her either, but i do wonder if she kind of has a point about her being an aggressive woman causing the extreme hate.

Even the villains like russell had fans, whereas pretty much everyone hated Kass.

 
For all of you claiming Spencer or Tasha played a great game, they both only controlled maybe 2 votes. That is not playing a great game. If you've played a great game you almost always control the vote.

 
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For all of you claiming Spencer or Tasha played a great game, they both only controlled maybe 2 votes. That is not playing a great game. If you've played a great game you almost always control the vote.
I agree. They lost crybaby Kass when they started listening to Sarah, and the only person who noticed was Trish. From that point on they were in desperation mode.

However they hung around and way they played Tony when they got him to finally take out Jefra was pretty good teamwork.

 
For all of you claiming Spencer or Tasha played a great game, they both only controlled maybe 2 votes. That is not playing a great game. If you've played a great game you almost always control the vote.
They played great for players on the minority side of an alliance.

Had Spenser made it to the end, he could have easily defused any "bitter jury" toward him, which he said he feared due to his constant maneuvering to sacrifice others ahead of himself, by saying "I didn't do anything different than you did other than know I was probably going home the morning of every tribal and had time to do something about it."

 
Kass had people cheering for her at the reunion. Parvati was pretty aggressive, was she hated like Kass? I can't remember. It's not the way she plays the game that makes her so repulsive. It's her arrogance, arrogance for really no reason. Coupled with her complete lack of self awareness that makes her so easy to root against. Has nothing to do, for me at least, about being a strong woman in the game.

 
When Spencer made that speech Woo had to be thinking "man did I #### up. "
"Woah, bro. Good speech, bro. I'm loyal and you see that. Good job, bro."

How to rate these players:

- Tony - not the best winner ever. Did what he needed to do but overplayed too much, imo. He didn't really ever have to scramble and played from the top looking down most of the time until the end.

- Woo - not much to say here. Nice guy and he won a couple idols but not much to see here.

- Kass - yeah, she's a mean old lady but she played the game unlike any/many women before her. She was an antithesis of Tony. Like her or hate her, fine, but she was one of the better players this season.

- Spencer - one of the top minds ever. Too bad he was playing always on the bottom looking up. Had he been in Tony's position of the top looking down... woah, bro.

Not sure there are any other players from this season to consider having back. Maybe Cliff for "fun" but no one is that memorable to me. Jefra would be fun to have back as a possibility. Maybe Lyndsey only because Trish was terrible to her.

 
It's a shame we didn't get a Spencer/Tony finale. That would have been epic. Spencer will surely be invited back for another season.

Tony definitely deserved to win, but got lucky with Woo's stupidity.

And man Morgan is sooooo conceded, but man I could drown in those fun bags and would go with a smile.
Was pulling for Spencer and thought he was a good contestant, but he was another bitter fool.

It showed how hypocritical he was after that long speech about how Tony was the better player and he deserved to win, they show the hypothetical vote if it was Woo vs Kass, and he's the first one to throw up his hand to vote for Woo. He just blasted Woo about not playing the game, then he says he would have voted for him when Kass, like her or hate her, played a WAY better game than Woo.

She at least played the game, Woo didn't play at ll..

 
Sandra won twice and I can't recall her doing much at all but she didn't piss people off and she lasted till the end and that got her the million. The importance of being well liked is an underrated factor in winning it all.

People talk about " playing the game", Kass played horribly because she alienated everybody and made it impossible to win the million. Can't consider her one of the better players when nobody would give her votes.

 
Sandra won twice and I can't recall her doing much at all but she didn't piss people off and she lasted till the end and that got her the million. The importance of being well liked is an underrated factor in winning it all.

People talk about " playing the game", Kass played horribly because she alienated everybody and made it impossible to win the million. Can't consider her one of the better players when nobody would give her votes.
Sandra's double win is amazing because the basic premise of her game play was nothing more than "anyone but me".

 
Can someone explain the constant GOAT references to Kass? Obviously it was not Greatest Of All Time because they were insulting her.
Goat, not GOAT. A goat is somebody deserving of blame or ridicule, just as a scapegoat is somebody who receives it, without necessarily deserving it.

 
Can someone explain the constant GOAT references to Kass? Obviously it was not Greatest Of All Time because they were insulting her.
Goat, not GOAT. A goat is somebody deserving of blame or ridicule, just as a scapegoat is somebody who receives it, without necessarily deserving it.
I always thought a goat in that context was some one who had a major screw up, like say Bill Buckner.

 
- Kass - yeah, she's a mean old lady but she played the game unlike any/many women before her. She was an antithesis of Tony. Like her or hate her, fine, but she was one of the better players this season.
Stop saying Kass is a good player, she really wasn't. She got into a good situation and still screwed it up. The tribal where she could have flushed out two idols and still helped her alliance advance would have been good game play, From that point on, going against her alliance, she pretty much became hated.

She only advanced because everyone knew she was the one to take to the end.

How the hell is that good game play. She literally had zero chance of winning against anybody.

 
Also, I don't think Tony played the best game. Spencer played the best game, but had the deck stacked against him. Tony played the best game and caught some breaks by being in power most of the time.

Spencer's only mistake in game play, as far as I could tell, was using his idol - or not using it for his alliance.
I think Tasha played just as well as those two. As for Spencer, I'm probably in the minority, but I didn't like his speech to the jury regarding Tony. I think it's Tony's job to defend himself, and persuade the jury to vote for him.
I tend to agree. if I was on the jury, his speech might have actually turned me off. are you the ####### cheerleader now? I'll vote how I want.
Meh. Superfans of the game that just spent 30-some days eating rice and coconuts knew what he was saying was true. 8-1 is a demolition. Because Woo SUCKED.
Yes. And this has happened before. Generally, when one jury member makes a speech to the others, it's to provide cover for votes that would otherwise seem incompatible with FTC jury bitterness.

 
Can someone explain the constant GOAT references to Kass? Obviously it was not Greatest Of All Time because they were insulting her.
Goat, not GOAT. A goat is somebody deserving of blame or ridicule, just as a scapegoat is somebody who receives it, without necessarily deserving it.
I always thought a goat in that context was some one who had a major screw up, like say Bill Buckner.
A perfectly good example of someone blame got hung on deservingly. Not sure where the disconnect is. :shrug:

 
Tyler Perry is the guy who made all those movies that had the same story line. And I think he also cross dresses in most of them.
Still clueless
Tyler Perry is the guy who made all those movies that had the same story line. And I think he also cross dresses in most of them.
Still clueless
Had never heard of him before last night either, Had to look him up and was a bit relieved that I wasn't missing anything at all.

Even after telling me who he was, I have never heard of any of the things he has worked on.

 
Tyler Perry is the guy who made all those movies that had the same story line. And I think he also cross dresses in most of them.
Still clueless
Tyler Perry is the guy who made all those movies that had the same story line. And I think he also cross dresses in most of them.
Still clueless
Had never heard of him before last night either, Had to look him up and was a bit relieved that I wasn't missing anything at all.

Even after telling me who he was, I have never heard of any of the things he has worked on.
me too. i'd heard of a couple of the movies, but that's it.

 

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