Taiwan Jones (1 Viewer)

[DansRams]

I didn't think he would come out. One of the most explosive backs you will see. Great lateral quickness, burst and on film what looks like elite speed. Listed at 6'0/200 If he comes in at least 195-200 and runs anywhere close to the reported 4.22 he ran (he won't run a 4.2...but a 4.3?), he will quickly rise up boards.

Pre-workouts I think he is a mid to late round draft pick as it is always hard to judge talent against weak competition, but with the type of workouts he could put up...watch out.

 

[DesmondBishop]

 

[coolnerd]

Jones is from Eastern Washington (that school with the awful red field) and racked up 1700 plus yards.

http://seattle.sbnation.com/seattle-seahaw...shington-eagles

 

[lod01]

Red uniform on red field. He goes invisible at the 3:35 mark. Pretty crazy balance.

 

[DansRams]

Jumping out of a pool

His vertical has to be 40+....amazing athlete!!

 

[rzrback77]

Not many broken tackles to be found and with one red carpet and other fields overlaid for soccer or something, I guess the level of competition is lacking, but he definitely had good quicks.

That red field was beyond terrible.

 

[DansRams]

Pure speed shown at :45 is impressive and at 1:49 it is amazing

Run at 2:55 is sick...moves, balance, power, and of course speed

Spin move at 4:54

The more I see the more I like.

 

[DansRams]

Not many broken tackles to be found and with one red carpet and other fields overlaid for soccer or something, I guess the level of competition is lacking, but he definitely had good quicks.That red field was beyond terrible.

He put up 12/145 and 2/92/1 against a pretty darn good Nevada team.He has a few broken tackles, but in most cases he didn't need to break a tackle because he ran past the defender or broke the defenders ankle. What I did see a number of times is he kept his balance and stayed on his feet after contact...you have to wrap him up because he doesn't just go down on contact.

 

[Touchdown There]

Fantastic effort. Super speed. Thanks for the link.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

If he runs a sub 4.4 he gets pretty interesting. In the low 4.4s I think he's pretty similar to Lee Suggs or Bernard Scott.

FWIW... NFL Draft Scout has him at 4.53. No idea where they got that number, but it's certainly possible he's slower than he looks on film while he's running past inferior competition. Will be one to watch at the combine.

 

[eakfootball]

He's a good back but won't do much at the next level, the competition is so bad. And he runs way too high up

 

[massraider]

He's a good back but won't do much at the next level, the competition is so bad

The competition he plays against doesn't change his talent.

 

[shader]

He looks pretty good but he isn't close to 4.3. We will see.

 

[DansRams]

He looks pretty good but he isn't close to 4.3. We will see.

How do you figure that out with your eyeballs?

 

[DansRams]

He's a good back but won't do much at the next level, the competition is so bad. And he runs way too high up

Did you watch him versus a 13-1 Nevada team that beat Boise St?

 

[shader]

He looks pretty good but he isn't close to 4.3. We will see.

How do you figure that out with your eyeballs?

I'm good like that. Like I said, we'll see. To me he looks to be a 4.4-4.5 guy, but I hope I'm wrong. I sold out for this draft in a couple leagues.

 

[DansRams]

He looks pretty good but he isn't close to 4.3. We will see.

How do you figure that out with your eyeballs?

I'm good like that. Like I said, we'll see. To me he looks to be a 4.4-4.5 guy, but I hope I'm wrong. I sold out for this draft in a couple leagues.

Coach says 3 different people timed him at 4.22...I seriously doubt that, but

 

[FTRWRTR]

He looks pretty good but he isn't close to 4.3. We will see.

How do you figure that out with your eyeballs?

I'm good like that. Like I said, we'll see. To me he looks to be a 4.4-4.5 guy, but I hope I'm wrong. I sold out for this draft in a couple leagues.

It's possible, but hand timed isn't accurate as you have to account for reaction time. So that 4.22 is more likely around a 4.47/40 .

 

[Tickle Monster]

He looks pretty good but he isn't close to 4.3. We will see.

How do you figure that out with your eyeballs?

People with 4.3 speed don't get caught from behind.

 

[shader]

He looks pretty good but he isn't close to 4.3. We will see.

How do you figure that out with your eyeballs?

People with 4.3 speed don't get caught from behind.

Basically that's it. Chris Johnson has a timed 4.24 40. I've never seen a clip of him getting caught from behind. There are tons of clips of CJ in which you say "ok that guy has the angle and is going to get him....wait a second....NO FREAKING WAY!!!". It's other-worldly.

So especially against the type of competition Taiwan Jones is facing, if he's running a 4.2-4.3, he would be leaving them in the dust every time.

He does show excellent speed, but again, no chance it's in the 4.2-4.3 range, imo.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Kid definitely has some skills, but I'm doubtful that he runs in the 4.2's and that he weighs 200lbs. He looks more like he weighs 185lbs. His legs also look quite skinny. Someone to keep an eye on, and it should be interesting to see how he does at the combine.

 

[DansRams]

He got a 2nd/3rd round grade from the NFL.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/jan/...sing-teammates/

 

[Rodeojones]

Garbage can jump.

 

[captain_amazing]

Kid definitely has some skills, but I'm doubtful that he runs in the 4.2's and that he weighs 200lbs. He looks more like he weighs 185lbs. His legs also look quite skinny. Someone to keep an eye on, and it should be interesting to see how he does at the combine.

That is the first thing I noticed in addition to him running way too high. Specifically, his thighs look like twigs. Can't imagine that's a good thing.

 

[massraider]

Kid definitely has some skills, but I'm doubtful that he runs in the 4.2's and that he weighs 200lbs. He looks more like he weighs 185lbs. His legs also look quite skinny. Someone to keep an eye on, and it should be interesting to see how he does at the combine.

That is the first thing I noticed in addition to him running way too high. Specifically, his thighs look like twigs. Can't imagine that's a good thing.

So do Chris Johnson's, and Jamaal Charles. And McFadden's. I am done looking for just Ray Rice bodies. If guys can play, they can play. I dunno if this kid can (I admit, I have seen zero Eastern Washington games ) but I am not getting scared off by skinny legs anymore. I missed the boat on CJ in dynasty leagues, don't wanna make that mistake anymore.

 

[DansRams]

Kid definitely has some skills, but I'm doubtful that he runs in the 4.2's and that he weighs 200lbs. He looks more like he weighs 185lbs. His legs also look quite skinny. Someone to keep an eye on, and it should be interesting to see how he does at the combine.

That is the first thing I noticed in addition to him running way too high. Specifically, his thighs look like twigs. Can't imagine that's a good thing.

So do Chris Johnson's, and Jamaal Charles. And McFadden's. I am done looking for just Ray Rice bodies. If guys can play, they can play. I dunno if this kid can (I admit, I have seen zero Eastern Washington games ) but I am not getting scared off by skinny legs anymore. I missed the boat on CJ in dynasty leagues, don't wanna make that mistake anymore.

I agree with you but I would add, that certain body styles might have a higher probability of success, but to your point, clearly the "skinny leg" body style doesn't preclude a player from potential success.

 

[TheWheel]

You can't say anything about how good he will be until you know what team he goes to and even then you don't know until they play...for years. Can't go fishing in a half-built boat.

 

[DansRams]

You can't say anything about how good he will be until you know what team he goes to and even then you don't know until they play...for years. Can't go fishing in a half-built boat.

Thanks for the contribution

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Kid definitely has some skills, but I'm doubtful that he runs in the 4.2's and that he weighs 200lbs. He looks more like he weighs 185lbs. His legs also look quite skinny. Someone to keep an eye on, and it should be interesting to see how he does at the combine.

That is the first thing I noticed in addition to him running way too high. Specifically, his thighs look like twigs. Can't imagine that's a good thing.

So do Chris Johnson's, and Jamaal Charles. And McFadden's. I am done looking for just Ray Rice bodies. If guys can play, they can play. I dunno if this kid can (I admit, I have seen zero Eastern Washington games ) but I am not getting scared off by skinny legs anymore. I missed the boat on CJ in dynasty leagues, don't wanna make that mistake anymore.

No one said having skinny legs guarantees failure, it just means you need some other type of skill/talent to make up for the lack of lower body strength. All those guys you mentioned run a ~4.35 40 or better, so it's safe to say those players make up for their lack of lower body strength with elite speed. If Taiwan Jones doesn't display elite speed, I think the odds will be heavily against him to ever make it is a full-time RB.

 

[TheWheel]

He can put some weigh on right?

 

[massraider]

No one said having skinny legs guarantees failure, it just means you need some other type of skill/talent to make up for the lack of lower body strength. All those guys you mentioned run a ~4.35 40 or better, so it's safe to say those players make up for their lack of lower body strength with elite speed. If Taiwan Jones doesn't display elite speed, I think the odds will be heavily against him to ever make it is a full-time RB.

Well, it wasn't that long ago that I would have said legs like that would make me stay away. And there's a ton of negative stuff said about CJ, DMC, and especially Charles right here on this board before they were drafted. It's safe to say those players make up for lack of lower body strength with speed now, but it wasn't obvious to everyone when they were being drafted. Hey, he might just be Jerious Norwood, I can see that. But the fact is, guys with his frame, there's a place for them in the NFL, and more importantly, in our fantasy lineups. 15 carries, 3+ catches, maybe some ST duty.....that's all I was pointing out. And the fantasy owners that are trying to fill their backfield with 25 carry guys that get all the goalline work, and ignore these type of players, are behind the times. Even when NFL teams have these type of guys, they split time, for the most part.

I'd also say that people estimating his 40 time from a YouTube video are kind of comical.

 

[captain_amazing]

No one said having skinny legs guarantees failure, it just means you need some other type of skill/talent to make up for the lack of lower body strength. All those guys you mentioned run a ~4.35 40 or better, so it's safe to say those players make up for their lack of lower body strength with elite speed. If Taiwan Jones doesn't display elite speed, I think the odds will be heavily against him to ever make it is a full-time RB.

Well, it wasn't that long ago that I would have said legs like that would make me stay away. And there's a ton of negative stuff said about CJ, DMC, and especially Charles right here on this board before they were drafted. It's safe to say those players make up for lack of lower body strength with speed now, but it wasn't obvious to everyone when they were being drafted. Hey, he might just be Jerious Norwood, I can see that. But the fact is, guys with his frame, there's a place for them in the NFL, and more importantly, in our fantasy lineups. 15 carries, 3+ catches, maybe some ST duty.....that's all I was pointing out. And the fantasy owners that are trying to fill their backfield with 25 carry guys that get all the goalline work, and ignore these type of players, are behind the times. Even when NFL teams have these type of guys, they split time, for the most part.

I'd also say that people estimating his 40 time from a YouTube video are kind of comical.

Great stuff! I would have certainly stayed away from him in drafts next year, before reading the above - thanks!

 

[VaCatFan]

Saw some great acceleration as well as stopping and restarting. Many of his runs seemed to be stretch plays where he just outran everyone. Don't know if he'll be able to do that in the NFL. Seemed a bit upright in his running and only saw a couple of broken tackles. It will be interesting to see him at the combine. Definitely someone to keep an eye on.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Here is his page at NFL Draft Scout.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dspro...1&genpos=RB

 

[DansRams]

Just listened to an interview with the trainer at athletes performance, that has many of the top draft picks training with them for the combine. He stated Taiwan is a shade over 6 foot and just over 200 lbs. He also said he is a legit 4.3.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I saw a lot of crappy tackling in that youtube video.

 

[Kimbo Slice]

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[H8fulHuck]

He looks pretty good but he isn't close to 4.3. We will see.

How do you figure that out with your eyeballs?

People with 4.3 speed don't get caught from behind.

I didn't see TJ get caught from behind when running at full speed. He only got caught from behind while following his blockers.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

He's much better than his cousin Hong Kong Smith.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

He's much better than his cousin Hong Kong Smith.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

He's much better than his cousin Hong Kong Smith.

Would you believe.........Vietnam Johnson?

 

[Matt Waldman]

Lot's of fun to watch and he definitely runs with a recklessness that makes great highlights. The speed, moves and acceleration are obvious. However, as alluded to earlier, every one of these plays are either runs he bounced outside or plays designed to get him into space immediately. There was not a single run where we see either Jones can press a hole, show patience behind a slower developing blocking scheme or choose the short gain for a tough 3-4 over the "home run" cutback or reversal of field.

One thing that Johnson, Charles and McFadden showed in college was some semblance of ability to get tough yards between the tackles. These highlights obviously don't show that.

I enjoyed watching it. It doesn't show nearly enough to make a good call on him having an NFL future as an RB, but I'm sure if you flip a coin and take a guess based on his YouTube clips, half of you will be correct.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

 

[Dr. Octopus]

You can't say anything about how good he will be until you know what team he goes to and even then you don't know until they play...for years. Can't go fishing in a half-built boat.

So we should wait for 2-3 years before drafting him in our rookie drafts?

 

[Bojang0301]

Lot's of fun to watch and he definitely runs with a recklessness that makes great highlights. The speed, moves and acceleration are obvious. However, as alluded to earlier, every one of these plays are either runs he bounced outside or plays designed to get him into space immediately. There was not a single run where we see either Jones can press a hole, show patience behind a slower developing blocking scheme or choose the short gain for a tough 3-4 over the "home run" cutback or reversal of field. One thing that Johnson, Charles and McFadden showed in college was some semblance of ability to get tough yards between the tackles. These highlights obviously don't show that. I enjoyed watching it. It doesn't show nearly enough to make a good call on him having an NFL future as an RB, but I'm sure if you flip a coin and take a guess based on his YouTube clips, half of you will be correct.

Given your statement it doesn't sound like you have much experience with him... will you be profiling him?

 

[Matt Waldman]

Lot's of fun to watch and he definitely runs with a recklessness that makes great highlights. The speed, moves and acceleration are obvious. However, as alluded to earlier, every one of these plays are either runs he bounced outside or plays designed to get him into space immediately. There was not a single run where we see either Jones can press a hole, show patience behind a slower developing blocking scheme or choose the short gain for a tough 3-4 over the "home run" cutback or reversal of field. One thing that Johnson, Charles and McFadden showed in college was some semblance of ability to get tough yards between the tackles. These highlights obviously don't show that. I enjoyed watching it. It doesn't show nearly enough to make a good call on him having an NFL future as an RB, but I'm sure if you flip a coin and take a guess based on his YouTube clips, half of you will be correct.

Given your statement it doesn't sound like you have much experience with him... will you be profiling him?

Correct, I don't. I hope to, but depends if I can get my hands on some game film in time. I might have some in my library, but I have to check.

 

[Clarence the barber]

In conclusion we heard it here first that he might be good.

Bigger fan of Go Deeps YHIHF thread on Starks. He was definitive.

 

[DansRams]

In conclusion we heard it here first that he might be good.

Bigger fan of Go Deeps YHIHF thread on Starks. He was definitive.

Any prediction at this point that includes a definitive statement like "he will be a top 10 rb by..." is as valuable as your post...that would be "no value" if you were wondering.

If you are looking for a prediction, here it is. I believe this kid will end up one of the 5-6 best rb's in this draft. Before I got confirmation that he is a legit 200 pounds, I couldn't say that. Now I will. He is very fast and has that ability to just explode, making people look like they are standing still. He has enough size, and at a tad over 6 foot, he should be able to add another 10 pounds. There are plenty of question marks so anyone could question this view, but it is my view.

Here is the prediction that will really stir it up....since you desire it so... I predict that he will end up a more productive pro rb than Starks a couple of yrs down the road.

 

[Clarence the barber]

Awesome, thanks

 

[Gopher State]

You can't say anything about how good he will be until you know what team he goes to and even then you don't know until they play...for years. Can't go fishing in a half-built boat.