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Hoss_Cartwright

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I just sent this to the leagues I commish. Seems like there is a way around charging the person receiving the payment.

"I just found out something about PayPal that I need to share with you. Now I don't know for sure if this works or not because I haven't had anyone try it, but you can avoid costing me a paypal service fee by clicking on the "Personal" tab when clicking the "Send Money" tab and then either click Gift or Payment Owed radio button. If you don't do this and have Goods or Services radio button clicked under the Purchase Tab (which it defaults to), it will continue to charge me the fee of (2.9% + .30 cents). Now this only works if you're sending money from your paypal account or bank account. The fee will still be charged if you pay by a credit card. The customer service rep told me that if you click the "Personal tab" when sending money and choose either gift or payment owed it will not charge me the fee when I receive your payment, regardless of what kind of account I have (premier or personal). So in the future do this and send the exact amount of the league fee. If you forget and don't do the right thing when sending money I will get charged, so I will in turn ask you for an additional payment to cover the fees I incurred. If I find out later this does not work we will continue as before.

I will pin this thread for future reference.

Chuck"

Update: For those of you who say, "God forbid if a website tries to make money", I respond with, they still get fees for good reasons such as payments by credit cards, or those actually buying goods where sellers insurance is needed, but defaulting to "Purchase / Goods" to unknowing customers is deceiving.

Also, basically there isn't a reason for the commish to charge owners for using PayPal This is the main reason for this thread, not to bash PayPal.

 
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FYI, if you are using Paypal to buy something online, make sure you do select the goods/services option. Otherwise, if you select gift/money owed, you won't be able to dispute the charge with Paypal if you don't recieve the merchandise or services. But if you know the person you are sending money to, then by all means select the gift or money owed option to avoid the fee.

 
FYI, if you are using Paypal to buy something online, make sure you do select the goods/services option. Otherwise, if you select gift/money owed, you won't be able to dispute the charge with Paypal if you don't recieve the merchandise or services. But if you know the person you are sending money to, then by all means select the gift or money owed option to avoid the fee.
So if you're sending payment from your paypal account or bank account there is no reason for commisssioners to ask for the fee as long as you send it correctly.

 
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Absolutely use the "payment owed" option, but charging for the use of a service is not a scam.

 
Absolutely use the "payment owed" option, but charging for the use of a service is not a scam.
It is a scam because they default to Purchase / Goods. If the sender doesn't change it the person receiving the money gets charged. To me that's theft by deception. They have other ways they charge fees that are proper, but this isn't one of them.
 
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I found this old post in one of my leagues. Looks like one owner already knew this and tried to convey it to me. I guess I was too bull headed in thinkiing I would have to have a personal account to not get charged. I currently have a premier account.

"I am pretty sure we can do this using Paypal without a fee by choosing "PERSONAL" and then "PAYMENT OWED". This will will prevent Paypal from taking 3% out.. The reason for the fee I've been told is actually for seller's insurance. "

Again, this all hinges on sending the money from your pay pal acct or bank account. Any cash sent by a credit card will cause a fee to the person getting the money regardless of what option they choose between "Purchase / Goods" or "Personal / Payment owed".

 
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I believe a lot of leagues should exaimne what they're charging their members becasue of PayPal fees. Basically there isn't a reason for the commish to charge owners for using PayPal as long as they pay from their PayPal account or their bank account. I can't begin to think of the amont of money people in the Shark Pool collectively will save in league fees.

 
Absolutely use the "payment owed" option, but charging for the use of a service is not a scam.
It is a scam because they default to Purchase / Goods. If the sender doesn't change it the person receiving the money gets charged. To me that's theft by deception. They have other ways they charge fees that are proper, but this isn't one of them.
I'm not here to defend paypal, I don't think the site needs it, but what do you think the most common reason to use the site is? Just because most people are too lazy or stupid to read what they're paying for, doesn't make it theft. It's clearly marked "goods". If anyone reading this:
Send MoneyYou can pay for purchases and services or send money to friends and family.Send MoneyTo (Email or mobile phone)AmountAmountCurrency:Purchase / PersonalThis is a purchase of: GoodseBay ItemsServices
reads it and thinks "I'm paying for a league, that must be goods!", they're an idiot. Most just don't read it.On the side there's even a paragraph about sending money to friends or family for free. This isn't remotely akin to theft. Even if they didn't provide a free service it wouldn't be theft.
 
Absolutely use the "payment owed" option, but charging for the use of a service is not a scam.
It is a scam because they default to Purchase / Goods. If the sender doesn't change it the person receiving the money gets charged. To me that's theft by deception. They have other ways they charge fees that are proper, but this isn't one of them.
I'm not here to defend paypal, I don't think the site needs it, but what do you think the most common reason to use the site is? Just because most people are too lazy or stupid to read what they're paying for, doesn't make it theft. It's clearly marked "goods". If anyone reading this:
Send MoneyYou can pay for purchases and services or send money to friends and family.Send MoneyTo (Email or mobile phone)AmountAmountCurrency:Purchase / PersonalThis is a purchase of: GoodseBay ItemsServices
reads it and thinks "I'm paying for a league, that must be goods!", they're an idiot. Most just don't read it.On the side there's even a paragraph about sending money to friends or family for free. This isn't remotely akin to theft. Even if they didn't provide a free service it wouldn't be theft.
You have to admit it's misleading, you have to. Also, the main reason for this thread is to let owners know they shouldn't pay PayPal fees to commishes for using PayPal as long as they are paying from either their PayPal acct or their bank account. I'll update the title.
 
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You have to admit it's misleading, you have to. Also, the main reason for this thread is to let owners know they shouldn't pay PayPal fees to commishes for using PayPal. I'll update the title.
I have to? Why? The thread is great, I'm not trying to get on you about making the thread. Many people don't know that paypal can be free for stuff like this. I'm just being a lawyer here and seeing a site doing things right IMO.
 
You have to admit it's misleading, you have to. Also, the main reason for this thread is to let owners know they shouldn't pay PayPal fees to commishes for using PayPal. I'll update the title.
I have to? Why? The thread is great, I'm not trying to get on you about making the thread. Many people don't know that paypal can be free for stuff like this. I'm just being a lawyer here and seeing a site doing things right IMO.
I changed the title becasue I want this thread to be mostly informative to owners to not pay commissioners PayPal fees when paying league fees as long as they are paying either from their PayPal acct or bank account. I shouldn't have caused it to be more about PayPal business practices. I'm now trying to change that.
 
You have to admit it's misleading, you have to. Also, the main reason for this thread is to let owners know they shouldn't pay PayPal fees to commishes for using PayPal. I'll update the title.
I have to? Why? The thread is great, I'm not trying to get on you about making the thread. Many people don't know that paypal can be free for stuff like this. I'm just being a lawyer here and seeing a site doing things right IMO.
I changed the title becasue I want this thread to be mostly informative to owners to not pay commissioners PayPal fees when paying league fees as long as they are paying either from their PayPal acct or bank account. I shouldn't have caused it to be more about PayPal business practices. I'm now trying to change that.
:thumbup: sorry, been hanging out in the FFA too long.
 
You should actually insist that owners pay this way so they don;t try to get their money back if their team sucks, like someone posted here awhile ago.

 
I believe a lot of leagues should exaimne what they're charging their members becasue of PayPal fees. Basically there isn't a reason for the commish to charge owners for using PayPal as long as they pay from their PayPal account or their bank account. I can't begin to think of the amont of money people in the Shark Pool collectively will save in league fees.
The "Personal" option is relatively new and many people don't even know about it. The commish's ask for the 3% because they want to get the full amount owed and not get dinged for the fee. All my commish's ask for the league fee plus 3% if using Paypal and I always just use the personal option and send the exact amount. I don't see that it's up to them to educate everyone on Paypal payment options, and then possibly get dinged if the sender doesn't understand and sends it the wrong way (which has happened to me). It's nice to mention this option for those that don't know, but nobody (commish's or Paypal) is trying to deceive anyone. If someone has a Paypal account and doesn't know the various options that's their problem.Actually, it's pretty cool of Paypal to even offer a free payment option.

 
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I believe a lot of leagues should exaimne what they're charging their members becasue of PayPal fees. Basically there isn't a reason for the commish to charge owners for using PayPal as long as they pay from their PayPal account or their bank account. I can't begin to think of the amont of money people in the Shark Pool collectively will save in league fees.
The "Personal" option is relatively new and many people don't even know about it. The commish's ask for the 3% because they want to get the full amount owed and not get dinged for the fee. All my commish's ask for the league fee plus 3% if using Paypal and I always just use the personal option and send the exact amount. I don't see that it's up to them to educate everyone on Paypal payment options, and then possibly get dinged if the sender doesn't understand and sends it the wrong way (which has happened to me). It's nice to mention this option for those that don't know, but nobody (commish's or Paypal) is trying to deceive anyone. If someone has a Paypal account and doesn't know the various options that's their problem.
I never said anything about commish deceiving anyone. Talk about putting words in my mouth. Having said that, I will say that a lot of commishes didn't know this (including me) and were charging extra to cover the paypal fees. I'm just saying that shouldn't happen anymore if owners send their payments corretly and commishes shouldn't ask for more than the exact league fees.
 
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This if very confusing to me. I had a buddy get his acct suspended at Paypal for even accepting league fees via paypal 2 yrs ago. Then last year the same guy was in talks with Paypal again for league fees because 3 people in his league used the FREE option.....basically the GIFT option to send their league fees. They told him fantasy football league fees could not be considered a gift or a method to send the money free. Because this was his second offense he no longer has a paypal acct.

Now.....I am very concerned because although I would like to offer free payments to my leaguemates, I certainly cannot risk losing my paypal acct.

I offer free methods of sending pymts because I will take checks, but I am a skeptic and/or confused when you say this is allowed. I would certainly heed caution and I know I would feel more comfortable if this was in writing and a solid clarification was given before I use this.

Also for better clarification if your TEAMS are sending you money NOT using the Gift option there are usually fees so I doubt seriously that the commishes are banking any money....they just simply see the paypal fees taken out and then they receive the rest. I do know some guys have balances in their paypal accts and those guys dont have to pay fees when using ANY option on the paypal site......even when sending goods.......because their accts are full of money and secured. I also understand no matter what credit card secured accts always pay fees......from my understanding which is pretty much what was already stated here.

I would like more information on this in some concrete way to know this is truly being accepted by paypal. YOU WILL NOT want your acct suspended or closed because paypal does not mess around. It WILL NEVER be opened back up.......at least my buddy couldnt. They wouldnt even let him have an acct for NON league fees. So his wife couldnt shop either online anyone. He never did a thing wrong knowingly......both warnings came at the expense of the teams paying him.

I am open to hearing more on this 100%

 
You have to admit it's misleading, you have to. Also, the main reason for this thread is to let owners know they shouldn't pay PayPal fees to commishes for using PayPal. I'll update the title.
I have to? Why? The thread is great, I'm not trying to get on you about making the thread. Many people don't know that paypal can be free for stuff like this. I'm just being a lawyer here and seeing a site doing things right IMO.
Paypal could easily ask what type of payment it is instead of defaulting to goods and services.Three guesses why they don't.Hint - it's not for the consumer's convenience.
 
You have to admit it's misleading, you have to. Also, the main reason for this thread is to let owners know they shouldn't pay PayPal fees to commishes for using PayPal. I'll update the title.
I have to? Why? The thread is great, I'm not trying to get on you about making the thread. Many people don't know that paypal can be free for stuff like this. I'm just being a lawyer here and seeing a site doing things right IMO.
Paypal could easily ask what type of payment it is instead of defaulting to goods and services.Three guesses why they don't.Hint - it's not for the consumer's convenience.
To make money? Evil sons of #####es.
 
Old news..been doing this for years.

But dont be surprised if Paypal locks your account along with any $ in it if they find out you're using it for 'gambling'...you've been warned.

 
You have to admit it's misleading, you have to. Also, the main reason for this thread is to let owners know they shouldn't pay PayPal fees to commishes for using PayPal. I'll update the title.
I have to? Why? The thread is great, I'm not trying to get on you about making the thread. Many people don't know that paypal can be free for stuff like this. I'm just being a lawyer here and seeing a site doing things right IMO.
Paypal could easily ask what type of payment it is instead of defaulting to goods and services.Three guesses why they don't.Hint - it's not for the consumer's convenience.
To make money? Evil sons of #####es.
You seem to have mistaken making a fair profit with deceiving the consumer.It's ok... lots of people do.Sadly.
 
You have to admit it's misleading, you have to. Also, the main reason for this thread is to let owners know they shouldn't pay PayPal fees to commishes for using PayPal. I'll update the title.
I have to? Why? The thread is great, I'm not trying to get on you about making the thread. Many people don't know that paypal can be free for stuff like this. I'm just being a lawyer here and seeing a site doing things right IMO.
Paypal could easily ask what type of payment it is instead of defaulting to goods and services.Three guesses why they don't.Hint - it's not for the consumer's convenience.
To make money? Evil sons of #####es.
You seem to have mistaken making a fair profit with deceiving the consumer.It's ok... lots of people do.Sadly.
lol....do you not know when you sign up for Paypal that there is a charge? Is it deceptive that supermarket pricing doesn't default to the coupons they put in newspapers?
 
You seem to have mistaken making a fair profit with deceiving the consumer.It's ok... lots of people do.Sadly.
clearly.
It is a scam because they default to Purchase / Goods. If the sender doesn't change it the person receiving the money gets charged. To me that's theft by deception. They have other ways they charge fees that are proper, but this isn't one of them.
hint: you're using their service for your convenience, most services cost money.
 
Old news..been doing this for years.But dont be surprised if Paypal locks your account along with any $ in it if they find out you're using it for 'gambling'...you've been warned.
Let them try and I'll take them to court. That would be stealing because FF has been deemed a game of skill, not a game of chance, thus any monies won is considered a contest.
 
Paypal could easily ask what type of payment it is instead of defaulting to goods and services.Three guesses why they don't.Hint - it's not for the consumer's convenience.
To make money? Evil sons of #####es.
You seem to have mistaken making a fair profit with deceiving the consumer.It's ok... lots of people do.Sadly.
lol....do you not know when you sign up for Paypal that there is a charge? Is it deceptive that supermarket pricing doesn't default to the coupons they put in newspapers?
you consider the default to the goods and services option (which happens to be the option Paypal collects a fee for) to be a fair practice.I think it should be a choice rather than a default to the paid option. :lmao:
 
Old news..been doing this for years.

But dont be surprised if Paypal locks your account along with any $ in it if they find out you're using it for 'gambling'...you've been warned.
Let them try and I'll take them to court. That would be stealing because FF has been deemed a game of skill, not a game of chance, thus any monies won is considered a contest.
Good luck. You agreed to the TOS.
What gambling activities does PayPal prohibit?

Question : What gambling activities does PayPal prohibit?

Answer : PayPal prohibits transactions for gambling activities by merchants and account holders in the U.S. and any jurisdiction where gambling activities are illegal, and by merchants whose services are accessible to account holders in the U.S.

PayPal allows approved gambling merchants to use our service in certain jurisdictions where gambling activities are legal. To be approved by PayPal, merchants must demonstrate to PayPal's satisfaction that they have the ability to block gambling activities for account holders in the U.S. and any jurisdiction where gambling activities may be illegal.

Unless the merchant has been approved by PayPal, account holders may not use PayPal to send or receive payments for any form of gambling activities, including but not limited to payments for wagers, gambling debts, and gambling winnings, whether conducted online, in person, or through any other means of communication. Gambling includes placing, accepting, recording, or registering bets; participating in lotteries; or otherwise carrying on a game of chance for money, property, or other things of value.

PayPal prohibits the following activities, even where the specific activity is lawful and/or is not legally defined as gambling, unless the transactions are associated with an approved merchant.

Games of chance and games of skill –Includes any activity with an entry fee and a prize, regardless of whether the outcome is determined by chance or skill.
 
Old news..been doing this for years.

But dont be surprised if Paypal locks your account along with any $ in it if they find out you're using it for 'gambling'...you've been warned.
Let them try and I'll take them to court. That would be stealing because FF has been deemed a game of skill, not a game of chance, thus any monies won is considered a contest.
Good luck. You agreed to the TOS.
What gambling activities does PayPal prohibit?

Question : What gambling activities does PayPal prohibit?

Answer : PayPal prohibits transactions for gambling activities by merchants and account holders in the U.S. and any jurisdiction where gambling activities are illegal, and by merchants whose services are accessible to account holders in the U.S.

PayPal allows approved gambling merchants to use our service in certain jurisdictions where gambling activities are legal. To be approved by PayPal, merchants must demonstrate to PayPal's satisfaction that they have the ability to block gambling activities for account holders in the U.S. and any jurisdiction where gambling activities may be illegal.

Unless the merchant has been approved by PayPal, account holders may not use PayPal to send or receive payments for any form of gambling activities, including but not limited to payments for wagers, gambling debts, and gambling winnings, whether conducted online, in person, or through any other means of communication. Gambling includes placing, accepting, recording, or registering bets; participating in lotteries; or otherwise carrying on a game of chance for money, property, or other things of value.

PayPal prohibits the following activities, even where the specific activity is lawful and/or is not legally defined as gambling, unless the transactions are associated with an approved merchant.

Games of chance and games of skill –Includes any activity with an entry fee and a prize, regardless of whether the outcome is determined by chance or skill.
Fine, they can cancel my PayPal account and send me a check but they cannot keep my money. Any court would consider them stealing if they tried. I would gladly instruct my leagues to send a check in the future to pay their fees :lmao:
 
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Old news..been doing this for years.But dont be surprised if Paypal locks your account along with any $ in it if they find out you're using it for 'gambling'...you've been warned.
got mine locked because owners put fantasy football in subject
 
Old news..been doing this for years.But dont be surprised if Paypal locks your account along with any $ in it if they find out you're using it for 'gambling'...you've been warned.
got mine locked because owners put fantasy football in subject
How long was it locked? I hear they can do this for up to 180 days. They like interest on their money. The big problem with PayPal is they are based in Luxumbourg I believe and fighting them is difficult, but not impossible.
 
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Hoss_Cartwright said:
fsufan said:
Warrior said:
Old news..been doing this for years.But dont be surprised if Paypal locks your account along with any $ in it if they find out you're using it for 'gambling'...you've been warned.
got mine locked because owners put fantasy football in subject
How long was it locked? I hear they can do this for up to 180 days. They like interest on their money. The big problem with PayPal is they are based in Luxumbourg I believe and fighting them is difficult, but not impossible.
i just had to click a box saying i agreed to their policies
 
In the midst of a lot of huffing and puffing/bluster in this thread, there's some good information in here.

Thanks to the FBGs who brought that info. :goodposting:

 
Hoss_Cartwright said:
Fine, they can cancel my PayPal account and send me a check but they cannot keep my money. Any court would consider them stealing if they tried. I would gladly instruct my leagues to send a check in the future to pay their fees :goodposting:
Are you really going to take paypal to court to get your money back for gambling?
 
Hoss_Cartwright said:
Fine, they can cancel my PayPal account and send me a check but they cannot keep my money. Any court would consider them stealing if they tried. I would gladly instruct my leagues to send a check in the future to pay their fees ;)
Are you really going to take paypal to court to get your money back for gambling?
That, and I'm thinking a trip to Luxembourg is not out of the realm of possibility.
 
Paypal has gone after me in years past for using it to collect ff fees. Apparently sports gaming/gambling is against their policy. It was such a pain that I stopped using it for ff.

 
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Coin Flip said:
This if very confusing to me. I had a buddy get his acct suspended at Paypal for even accepting league fees via paypal 2 yrs ago. Then last year the same guy was in talks with Paypal again for league fees because 3 people in his league used the FREE option.....basically the GIFT option to send their league fees. They told him fantasy football league fees could not be considered a gift or a method to send the money free. Because this was his second offense he no longer has a paypal acct.

Now.....I am very concerned because although I would like to offer free payments to my leaguemates, I certainly cannot risk losing my paypal acct.

I offer free methods of sending pymts because I will take checks, but I am a skeptic and/or confused when you say this is allowed. I would certainly heed caution and I know I would feel more comfortable if this was in writing and a solid clarification was given before I use this.

Also for better clarification if your TEAMS are sending you money NOT using the Gift option there are usually fees so I doubt seriously that the commishes are banking any money....they just simply see the paypal fees taken out and then they receive the rest. I do know some guys have balances in their paypal accts and those guys dont have to pay fees when using ANY option on the paypal site......even when sending goods.......because their accts are full of money and secured. I also understand no matter what credit card secured accts always pay fees......from my understanding which is pretty much what was already stated here.

I would like more information on this in some concrete way to know this is truly being accepted by paypal. YOU WILL NOT want your acct suspended or closed because paypal does not mess around. It WILL NEVER be opened back up.......at least my buddy couldnt. They wouldnt even let him have an acct for NON league fees. So his wife couldnt shop either online anyone. He never did a thing wrong knowingly......both warnings came at the expense of the teams paying him.

I am open to hearing more on this 100%
Sometimes you guys can't see the forest for the trees.
 
I refuse still to the day to allow my owners to use the GIFT option to send money. Again if they do not want to pay fees I accept checks. I feel if I offer a free option and they dont want to use the free option then they should avoid using the FREE option when using paypal out of respect that I dont risk losing my paypal acct.

 
I refuse still to the day to allow my owners to use the GIFT option to send money. Again if they do not want to pay fees I accept checks. I feel if I offer a free option and they dont want to use the free option then they should avoid using the FREE option when using paypal out of respect that I dont risk losing my paypal acct.
The bolded doesn't seem to be the primary reason that Paypal accounts are being closed.

It's the gambling/game of skill prohibition in their TOS, it appears.

 
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Skip PayPal and use LeagueSafe.com

LeagueSafe is designed for fantasy leagues. It's free, simple and everyone can track if other teams have made their payments. Use it and forget the headaches.

 
Hoss_Cartwright said:
Fine, they can cancel my PayPal account and send me a check but they cannot keep my money. Any court would consider them stealing if they tried. I would gladly instruct my leagues to send a check in the future to pay their fees :confused:
Are you really going to take paypal to court to get your money back for gambling?
It's not gambling according to the us govt, it's a game of skill. Besides that, PayPal isn't allowed to steal another person's money no more than I'm allowed to steal yours. Not sure why some of you guys actually think they will keep your money FOREVER. I hear 180 days is the max and a lot of times not even thatAgain, the purpose of this thread is to let owners know they don't need to include paypal fees when they're paying league fees, not to discuss whether I'll get my PayPal acct closed for playing FF. Using league safe like the previous poster said is probably the best option.

 
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Hoss_Cartwright said:
Fine, they can cancel my PayPal account and send me a check but they cannot keep my money. Any court would consider them stealing if they tried. I would gladly instruct my leagues to send a check in the future to pay their fees :banned:
Are you really going to take paypal to court to get your money back for gambling?
It's not gambling according to the us govt, it's a game of skill. Besides that, PayPal isn't allowed to steal another person's money no more than I'm allowed to steal yours. Not sure why some of you guys actually think they will keep your money FOREVER. I hear 180 days is the max and a lot of times not even thatAgain, the purpose of this thread is to let owners know they don't need to include paypal fees when they're paying league fees, not to discuss whether I'll get my PayPal acct closed for playing FF. Using league safe like the previous poster said is probably the best option.
Except that LeageSafe charges fees too. If you're going to pay by CC (which is the reason most of the sites are charging you), then I think you're stuck paying those fees whether it's to the evil paypal or anyone else. If you use a CC @ paypal, they charge, even if you use the 'gift' setting.
 
Hoss_Cartwright said:
Fine, they can cancel my PayPal account and send me a check but they cannot keep my money. Any court would consider them stealing if they tried. I would gladly instruct my leagues to send a check in the future to pay their fees :excited:
Are you really going to take paypal to court to get your money back for gambling?
It's not gambling according to the us govt, it's a game of skill. Besides that, PayPal isn't allowed to steal another person's money no more than I'm allowed to steal yours. Not sure why some of you guys actually think they will keep your money FOREVER. I hear 180 days is the max and a lot of times not even thatAgain, the purpose of this thread is to let owners know they don't need to include paypal fees when they're paying league fees, not to discuss whether I'll get my PayPal acct closed for playing FF. Using league safe like the previous poster said is probably the best option.
Except that LeageSafe charges fees too. If you're going to pay by CC (which is the reason most of the sites are charging you), then I think you're stuck paying those fees whether it's to the evil paypal or anyone else. If you use a CC @ paypal, they charge, even if you use the 'gift' setting.
Then I guess I'll just have to train owners in my leagues to use the Personal tab, then click Payment Owed so I don't get charged a fee.
 
Hoss_Cartwright said:
Fine, they can cancel my PayPal account and send me a check but they cannot keep my money. Any court would consider them stealing if they tried. I would gladly instruct my leagues to send a check in the future to pay their fees ;)
Are you really going to take paypal to court to get your money back for gambling?
It's not gambling according to the us govt, it's a game of skill. Besides that, PayPal isn't allowed to steal another person's money no more than I'm allowed to steal yours. Not sure why some of you guys actually think they will keep your money FOREVER. I hear 180 days is the max and a lot of times not even thatAgain, the purpose of this thread is to let owners know they don't need to include paypal fees when they're paying league fees, not to discuss whether I'll get my PayPal acct closed for playing FF. Using league safe like the previous poster said is probably the best option.
Except that LeageSafe charges fees too. If you're going to pay by CC (which is the reason most of the sites are charging you), then I think you're stuck paying those fees whether it's to the evil paypal or anyone else. If you use a CC @ paypal, they charge, even if you use the 'gift' setting.
Then I guess I'll just have to train owners in my leagues to use the Personal tab, then click Payment Owed so I don't get charged a fee.
If they pay you with a CC, somebody still has to pay the fee. At least if they go that route, they can elect to pay the fee up front instead of having it passed on to you. Trust me, I've been fighting this battle for years with my guys. Either I get deadbeats who never seem to have cash or else I can have them pay by CC (because they are short cash) and then we can fight over the fee. Being commish is AWESOME!
 
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If they pay you with a CC, somebody still has to pay the fee. At least if they go that route, they can elect to pay the fee up front instead of having it passed on to you. Trust me, I've been fighting this battle for years with my guys. Either I get deadbeats who never seem to have cash or else I can have them pay by CC (because they are short cash) and then we can fight over the fee. Being commish is AWESOME!
Regardless, if they pay from either their PayPal acct or their bank account and click the personal tab, then click payment owed, I don't get charged. If they do anything else to cause me a charge I will pass it back to the owner one way or the other.
 

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