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Tampa Bay's Running game (1 Viewer)
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BigSteelThrill
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Its Graham as the main player even if they trade for someone at this point.
drdgreenlove
Footballguy
graham gets hurt next week, darby gets hurt the week after... that is very obvious at this point
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Caddy and Pittman have a certain history.Im curious, has Graham had these type of problems?
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
To start...do not spin this thread into me being happy Pittman is hurt...Pittman is a great guy and model teammate...he does what he's asked to no matter what...but that ankle looked pretty bad...this thread is assuming he'll be out a few weeks minimum...Now...I love what I saw from this kid in preseason...we all know he did it against players who are mostly not on any rosters...but the way he ran...his vision and cutbacks...and his receiving out of the backfield...this kid has some skills...In college he was regarded as an upper tear RB his junior year...he fell off his senior year (to injury I think but don't quote me on that)...so he fell all the way to us in the 7th...with our top 2 RB's on the shelf...I would love to see this kid get a fair shot...Graham is doing well and I hope he keeps it up (minus today of course)...but I see good things from Darby in the future...He fits the system...he can run and catch...which makes him a viable every down back assuming he can stay healthy...Anyone have any scouting reports on Darby? What kind of player is he?Signed,Too lazy to research it myself
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Avery
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Thanks!To start...do not spin this thread into me being happy Pittman is hurt...Pittman is a great guy and model teammate...he does what he's asked to no matter what...but that ankle looked pretty bad...this thread is assuming he'll be out a few weeks minimum...Now...I love what I saw from this kid in preseason...we all know he did it against players who are mostly not on any rosters...but the way he ran...his vision and cutbacks...and his receiving out of the backfield...this kid has some skills...In college he was regarded as an upper tear RB his junior year...he fell off his senior year (to injury I think but don't quote me on that)...so he fell all the way to us in the 7th...with our top 2 RB's on the shelf...I would love to see this kid get a fair shot...Graham is doing well and I hope he keeps it up (minus today of course)...but I see good things from Darby in the future...He fits the system...he can run and catch...which makes him a viable every down back assuming he can stay healthy...Anyone have any scouting reports on Darby? What kind of player is he?Signed,Too lazy to research it myself
Do we know anything about his skill as a blocker? This is the big issue that keeps a young RB who can play off the field.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Yeah, Pittman is a great guy.BustedKnuckles said:To start...do not spin this thread into me being happy Pittman is hurt...Pittman is a great guy and model teammate...he does what he's asked to no matter what...but that ankle looked pretty bad...this thread is assuming he'll be out a few weeks minimum...Avery said:Anyone have any scouting reports on Darby? What kind of player is he?
Signed,
Too lazy to research it myself
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/06/02/Columns/...it_past_t.shtml
mad sweeney
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Yeah, Pittman is a great guy.BustedKnuckles said:To start...do not spin this thread into me being happy Pittman is hurt...Pittman is a great guy and model teammate...he does what he's asked to no matter what...but that ankle looked pretty bad...this thread is assuming he'll be out a few weeks minimum...Avery said:Anyone have any scouting reports on Darby? What kind of player is he?
Signed,
Too lazy to research it myself
I remember that his kid was in the car. What a tool. Should feel lucky he's even playing, or was.
packersfan
Footballguy
I didn't see this game yesterday so can someone fill me in on what happened with Graham? I know the Colts jumped out to an early lead but Pittman left in the second quarter and all Graham got were 11 yards rushing on six carries. That's pretty pathetic. Did he look terrible; were the Colts stacking the box against him? What happened? Thanks for the info in advance.
Tillmanisahero
Footballguy
Bump...I would also like to know
Slinger
Footballguy
That happened 4 years ago and he's been clean since. The main point about Pittman is that he's a great teammate to have as he puts the team before himself.
CA_7
Footballguy
Interesting blurbs about Darby from the preseason:
http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/c...gruden-quotes1/
http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/c...ted-investment/
sholditch
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Bama fan hereAvery said:Anyone have any scouting reports on Darby? What kind of player is he?Signed,Too lazy to research it myself
arby looked great in his sophomore and especially his junior year. He ran well, hard, and looked to have a decent shot at an NFL career. Then his senior year came. His ypc shot down to about 3.5 and that is not good for college. He seemed to have lost most of his elusiveness and power. Granted, the playcalling in Shula's last year was pretty terrible, but he looked like he majorly regressed in his senior year. I don't think he would be an upgrade over Graham.From Matt Waldman at FFToday.comhttp://www.fftoday.com/articles/waldman/07_rookies_rbs.htmAvery said:Anyone have any scouting reports on Darby? What kind of player is he?
Signed,
Too lazy to research it myself
Kenneth Darby, Buccaneers: When he was a junior, I thought Ken Darby was a surefire, first day pick. But the Buccaneers 7th round selection dropped due to an unimpressive senior year and poor showing at the Senior Bowl. Now Darby is no guarantee to even make the Tampa roster as he competes with Earnest Graham and Michael Pittman for a spot on the depth chart.
But I think Darby is a much better back than what we saw from him as a senior at Alabama. I believe that’s definitely what John Gruden thinks as well. Darby’s father passed away last year and the rookie’s head and heart were temporarily missing from the game. If you have ever had someone close to you die, you know how hard it can be to function for a while. Now imagine feeling depressed and trying to perform at the highest level in a sport that requires a great deal of emotional energy. If you see where I’m heading, then you’d just forget about Darby’s senior campaign and focus more on his junior year. If you can’t imagine, it write Darby off and go to the next player, although I think you’re making a big mistake.
As a sophomore and junior I watched Darby run aggressively and with emotion. He has very good performances against top-notch, SEC defenses like Tennessee and Florida. What impressed me the most about Darby was his ability to make sharp cuts in traffic and finish runs. He’s a downhill runner and slasher with enough of a burst to get into the secondary. He reminded me of two backs—Curtis Martin and former Seahawk star from the 70s and 80s, Curt Warner.
The early reports about Darby from Tampa are they got themselves a better than advertised player who they think could evolve into an every-down back. That’s at least what Running Backs Coach Art Valero has told the media. Even so, they believe Darby has a good shot to make the roster as a third down back because of his ability to catch the football. I honestly would be surprised if Darby doesn’t easily beat out Earnest Graham. Two years ago, I thought Mike Bell was a starting quality back and he didn’t get drafted. Last year, I thought Wali Lundy was a better back than his 4th round status and he did more than expected. Add Darby to this list for 2007.
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Tastes Like Chicken
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The Buc Offense couldn't get on the Field I think they only had 40 offensive plays all game and they only had THREE in the 3rd Quarter. There was no way to evaluate GrahamTillmanisahero said:
packersfan
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Thanks. What about Graham's six carries? Did he look terrible or was there nowhere to run? 6 for 12 is pretty pathetic so I'm curious as to whether that was a result of Graham running poorly or the Colts not giving him anything. Without Bob Sanders I'm surprised his numbers were so bad - even with limited carries.
Whoa....I watched the whole game, and have it Tivo'd to watch again. Graham proved to me that he was hanging around as a 3rd/4th back for a few years for a simple rason. He's not that good.This was Pittmans game as the starter, Graham looked average playing against a good D'.Here's how I'll evaluate him: Incomplete, some things are good-his strait line speed is good.Some thigs are not good-No elusiveness and not "sudden" as he broke to holes.
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
Graham looked good, but nothing special. There was pretty much no time for a TB run game to even attempt to establish itself. One plus was that he has pretty good hands and Garcia wasn't afraid to check down to him underneath. While Graham isn't the next Dom Davis, I think he could be servicable for bye weeks and as an RB2/RB3 in deep leagues.Tillmanisahero said:
zamboni
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Whether or not Graham looked good or not (at least in Gruden's eyes, which are the only ones that matter), the fact that Graham hasn't done anything of note until now (and really one week) makes Darby that much more interesting as a potential flier. If Graham either falters or gets hurt, Darby seems to be the only other fallback option.
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One
Not Allowed In Mexico
you got all that from 6 carries?
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thecardiackid
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Even though the Pittman injury decreases their bargaining power, I think (OPINION) they make another run @ someone like M Moore in MN. Aside from yesterday, TB is playing surprisingly well on both sides of the ball and leading the NFC South w/ CAR, NO, and ATL looking lost @ this point. They have a good shot @ winning the division and getting into the playoffs. Garcia is playing very well, along w/ the defense - all they need to stay competitve is a respectable run game.
Dillon allegedly said "no thanks", and IMO they have to be more motivated to give up a better pick to get some deal done. Maybe I'm just a optimistic Moore dynasty owner, but if not him, they should do something before the pending trade deadline expires. Why they don't just pony up a 5th/4th rounder is beyond me - over half of those guys (from the draft) don't seem to make opening day rosters anyway.
Dillon allegedly said "no thanks", and IMO they have to be more motivated to give up a better pick to get some deal done. Maybe I'm just a optimistic Moore dynasty owner, but if not him, they should do something before the pending trade deadline expires. Why they don't just pony up a 5th/4th rounder is beyond me - over half of those guys (from the draft) don't seem to make opening day rosters anyway.
Bears_Man2
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I think it has more to do with the contracts. Rookie is under 3-4 years. Memo's a FA after the year. I don't see why you wouldn't part with a 5th and see if a deal can be worked out long-term (He shouldn't cost that much and would/can be a solid backup and 3rd down guy). I think he fits a John Gruden offense pretty well.
Max Power
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On ESPN's Sunday NFL Countdown, reporter Chris Mortensen said: "The Bucs could be interested in Ricky (Williams) after Cadillac Williams was lost for the season. They offered the Vikings a sixth-round draft pick for Mewelde Moore. The Vikes said no, but the talks could continue, and, hey, don't forget that Priest Holmes can start practicing with the Chiefs a week from (today), one day before the trade deadline. He's working out in K.C. and even traveled with the Chiefs to San Diego last week." -- St. Petersburg Times
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